Re: Changing the License tag of python-rpm-generators from GPLv2+ to a monstrosity
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 9:56 AM Chris Kelley wrote: > > As a purely logical expression, this simplifies to "GPL-2.0-or-later AND > LGPL-2.1-or-later". Is that sort of simplification not allowed? The short answer is, these are not truly logical expressions and therefore they shouldn't necessarily simplify. Of course you could adopt some arbitrary convention for such simplification, which might or might not be well-grounded in some interpretation of the licenses at issue. In the past, there was no documented uniform set of conventions and basically each package maintainer applied their own assumptions about how license expressions could be simplified, leading to general inconsistency across different packages. The general trend in Fedora that I observed over many years was that license tags were getting more specific, i.e. less "simplification" was being done (or ignoring certain licenses was occurring less). This is actually shown by the fact that the Callaway system had a "Public Domain" which was widely used in packages with license tags containing references to other licenses. So we aren't actually changing policy here. Still, the cases involving public domain dedications are fairly extreme in this regard. If we *were* to adopt some system of simplification of license expressions that's probably where we'd start. Richard > > On Fri, 5 May 2023, 13:20 Miro Hrončok, wrote: >> >> python-rpm-generators License tag changes from GPLv2+ to: >> >> GPL-2.0-or-later AND LGPL-2.1-or-later AND (LicenseRef-Fedora-Public-Domain >> OR >> LGPL-2.1-or-later OR GPL-2.0-or-later) >> >> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-rpm-generators/pull-request/67 >> >> Funny thing is that the "(LicenseRef-Fedora-Public-Domain OR >> LGPL-2.1-or-later >> OR GPL-2.0-or-later)" thing was originally chosen to keep the License tag of >> the package simple while allowing others to grab the code from it without >> obligations :/ >> >> -- >> Miro Hrončok > ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Changing the License tag of python-rpm-generators from GPLv2+ to a monstrosity
How fun! Thanks for the links and explanation. On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 16:09, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 05. 05. 23 16:28, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: > > Chris Kelley wrote on 2023/05/05 22:55: > >> As a purely logical expression, this simplifies to "GPL-2.0-or-later AND > >> LGPL-2.1-or-later". Is that sort of simplification not allowed? > >> > > > > This is no longer allowed: > > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/license-field/#_no_effective_license_analysis > > Also > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/license-field/#_combined_disjunctive_and_conjunctive_license_expressions > which says: > > """ > The license expression must reflect the disjunctive license choice even if > one > or both of the license identifiers in the OR expression also appear > separately > in the composite license expression. > > ... > > License: (GPL-3.0-or-later OR MPL-1.1) AND GPL-3.0-or-later AND MIT > > Here we repeat GPL-3.0-or-later because for one binary component it > appears as > part of an OR subexpression. That is, OR expressions must be treated as > though > they were a single distinct license. > """ > > -- > Miro Hrončok > -- > Phone: +420777974800 > IRC: mhroncok > > ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Changing the License tag of python-rpm-generators from GPLv2+ to a monstrosity
On 05. 05. 23 16:28, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: Chris Kelley wrote on 2023/05/05 22:55: As a purely logical expression, this simplifies to "GPL-2.0-or-later AND LGPL-2.1-or-later". Is that sort of simplification not allowed? This is no longer allowed: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/license-field/#_no_effective_license_analysis Also https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/license-field/#_combined_disjunctive_and_conjunctive_license_expressions which says: """ The license expression must reflect the disjunctive license choice even if one or both of the license identifiers in the OR expression also appear separately in the composite license expression. ... License: (GPL-3.0-or-later OR MPL-1.1) AND GPL-3.0-or-later AND MIT Here we repeat GPL-3.0-or-later because for one binary component it appears as part of an OR subexpression. That is, OR expressions must be treated as though they were a single distinct license. """ -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Changing the License tag of python-rpm-generators from GPLv2+ to a monstrosity
Chris Kelley wrote on 2023/05/05 22:55: As a purely logical expression, this simplifies to "GPL-2.0-or-later AND LGPL-2.1-or-later". Is that sort of simplification not allowed? This is no longer allowed: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/legal/license-field/#_no_effective_license_analysis Yes, so I am also re-checking the whole sources in the srpm I maintain... Regards, Mamoru On Fri, 5 May 2023, 13:20 Miro Hrončok, wrote: python-rpm-generators License tag changes from GPLv2+ to: GPL-2.0-or-later AND LGPL-2.1-or-later AND (LicenseRef-Fedora-Public-Domain OR LGPL-2.1-or-later OR GPL-2.0-or-later) https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-rpm-generators/pull-request/67 Funny thing is that the "(LicenseRef-Fedora-Public-Domain OR LGPL-2.1-or-later OR GPL-2.0-or-later)" thing was originally chosen to keep the License tag of the package simple while allowing others to grab the code from it without obligations :/ -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Changing the License tag of python-rpm-generators from GPLv2+ to a monstrosity
As a purely logical expression, this simplifies to "GPL-2.0-or-later AND LGPL-2.1-or-later". Is that sort of simplification not allowed? On Fri, 5 May 2023, 13:20 Miro Hrončok, wrote: > python-rpm-generators License tag changes from GPLv2+ to: > > GPL-2.0-or-later AND LGPL-2.1-or-later AND > (LicenseRef-Fedora-Public-Domain OR > LGPL-2.1-or-later OR GPL-2.0-or-later) > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-rpm-generators/pull-request/67 > > Funny thing is that the "(LicenseRef-Fedora-Public-Domain OR > LGPL-2.1-or-later > OR GPL-2.0-or-later)" thing was originally chosen to keep the License tag > of > the package simple while allowing others to grab the code from it without > obligations :/ > > -- > Miro Hrončok > -- > Phone: +420777974800 > IRC: mhroncok > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue > ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Changing the License tag of python-rpm-generators from GPLv2+ to a monstrosity
python-rpm-generators License tag changes from GPLv2+ to: GPL-2.0-or-later AND LGPL-2.1-or-later AND (LicenseRef-Fedora-Public-Domain OR LGPL-2.1-or-later OR GPL-2.0-or-later) https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-rpm-generators/pull-request/67 Funny thing is that the "(LicenseRef-Fedora-Public-Domain OR LGPL-2.1-or-later OR GPL-2.0-or-later)" thing was originally chosen to keep the License tag of the package simple while allowing others to grab the code from it without obligations :/ -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
