Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image

[Rahul Sundaram]

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:21 PM Matthew Miller

> It is the DNF team. I have a hope that these will be fronted by a
> command called "yum" which will implement close-to-full compatibility
> with Yum Classic
>

Would be nice to have this available in general Fedora releases by default
as well.  The yum -> dnf transition still feels like needless churn as a
end user tool but having a yum command just do the right thing as always
will help

Rahul
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Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2017-02-01 at 11:12 -0500, Dusty Mabe wrote:
> 
> On 01/31/2017 09:54 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 09:00:01AM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
> > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image =
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ContainerMinimalImage
> > > 
> > > Change owner(s):
> > > * Dusty Mabe 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Produce a new container image that contains as little as possible, but
> > > also still provides the ability to install packages from dnf
> > > repositories.
> > 
> > Would this be an official image or just a "contrib" kickstart?
> > If the first, shouldn't it be added to the list of deliverables, and
> > who's going to test it, etc.
> > 
> 
> 
> I would hope that this would be an official image. I imagine testing
> would be a joint effort between the atomic WG and the QA team. This
> is my first go-round on this front so I welcome guidance on the appropriate
> process to take.

Zbigniew is pretty much on point: it would at least need to be added to
the official list of deliverables:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/26/ReleaseBlocking
(or an existing entry updated if it's replacing an existing image), and
a decision made on whether it's 'release blocking'. If it's going to be
part of two-week Atomic I guess you'll want to work with Kushal and
Sayan for now to make sure it's tested in Autocloud/Tunir. If you want
any manual testing done on it we'd need to figure that out; we have
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Cloud_test_matrix for testing
Cloud images as part of the traditional 'release validation' process,
but we really don't have anything for doing manual testing as part of
the two-week Atomic process, which is probably an oversight we should
correct...
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Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 04:14:21PM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
> Who supports microdnf? Is that the dnf team or others?

It is the DNF team. I have a hope that these will be fronted by a
command called "yum" which will implement close-to-full compatibility
with Yum Classic, and which will:


1. Use full dnf backend if available

2. Fall back to microdnf otherwise

3. And if microdnf can't handle it, tell me so, install full dnf
   backend, and continue.

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Fedora Project Leader
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Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image

[Peter Robinson]

>>> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image =
>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ContainerMinimalImage
>>>
>>> Change owner(s):
>>> * Dusty Mabe 
>>>
>>>
>>> Produce a new container image that contains as little as possible, but
>>> also still provides the ability to install packages from dnf
>>> repositories.
>>
>> How's this different to the minimal container we currently ship?
>
> The goal is to get it smaller that what we currently ship. Part of
> this is being done by removing dnf (and thus python) from the image
> by using microdnf instead. The goal really is to rip out most anything
> that doesn't make sense and/or is bloated for a container use case.

Who supports microdnf? Is that the dnf team or others?
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Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image

[Dusty Mabe]

On 01/31/2017 09:54 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 09:00:01AM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
>> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image =
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ContainerMinimalImage
>>
>> Change owner(s):
>> * Dusty Mabe 
>>
>>
>> Produce a new container image that contains as little as possible, but
>> also still provides the ability to install packages from dnf
>> repositories.
> 
> Would this be an official image or just a "contrib" kickstart?
> If the first, shouldn't it be added to the list of deliverables, and
> who's going to test it, etc.
> 


I would hope that this would be an official image. I imagine testing
would be a joint effort between the atomic WG and the QA team. This
is my first go-round on this front so I welcome guidance on the appropriate
process to take.
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Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image

[Dusty Mabe]

On 01/31/2017 10:35 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Jan Kurik  wrote:
>> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image =
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ContainerMinimalImage
>>
>> Change owner(s):
>> * Dusty Mabe 
>>
>>
>> Produce a new container image that contains as little as possible, but
>> also still provides the ability to install packages from dnf
>> repositories.
> 
> How's this different to the minimal container we currently ship?

The goal is to get it smaller that what we currently ship. Part of
this is being done by removing dnf (and thus python) from the image
by using microdnf instead. The goal really is to rip out most anything
that doesn't make sense and/or is bloated for a container use case.
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Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Jan Kurik  wrote:
> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image =
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ContainerMinimalImage
>
> Change owner(s):
> * Dusty Mabe 
>
>
> Produce a new container image that contains as little as possible, but
> also still provides the ability to install packages from dnf
> repositories.

How's this different to the minimal container we currently ship?
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Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image

[Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek]

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 09:00:01AM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote:
> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image =
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ContainerMinimalImage
> 
> Change owner(s):
> * Dusty Mabe 
> 
> 
> Produce a new container image that contains as little as possible, but
> also still provides the ability to install packages from dnf
> repositories.

Would this be an official image or just a "contrib" kickstart?
If the first, shouldn't it be added to the list of deliverables, and
who's going to test it, etc.

Zbyszek

> == Detailed Description ==
> As a user of Fedora I'd like to build containers based on an image
> that is a little more lightweight than the current base container
> image that is produced in Fedora. We have a proof of concept kickstart
> [1] that will create such an image. It is a work in progress.
> 
> [1] https://pagure.io/fedora-kickstarts/pull-request/120
> 
> 
> == Scope ==
> * Proposal owners:
> Implementation of this Change
> 
> * Other developers:
> N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> 
> * Release engineering:
> N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> 
> * List of deliverables:
> N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> 
> * Policies and guidelines:
> N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> 
> * Trademark approval:
> N/A (not needed for this Change)
> -- 
> Jan Kuřík
> Platform & Fedora Program Manager
> Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic
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F26 Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image

[Jan Kurik]

= Proposed Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ContainerMinimalImage

Change owner(s):
* Dusty Mabe 


Produce a new container image that contains as little as possible, but
also still provides the ability to install packages from dnf
repositories.


== Detailed Description ==
As a user of Fedora I'd like to build containers based on an image
that is a little more lightweight than the current base container
image that is produced in Fedora. We have a proof of concept kickstart
[1] that will create such an image. It is a work in progress.

[1] https://pagure.io/fedora-kickstarts/pull-request/120


== Scope ==
* Proposal owners:
Implementation of this Change

* Other developers:
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

* Release engineering:
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

* List of deliverables:
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

* Policies and guidelines:
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

* Trademark approval:
N/A (not needed for this Change)
-- 
Jan Kuřík
Platform & Fedora Program Manager
Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic
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F26 Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image

[Jan Kurik]

= Proposed Self Contained Change: Container Minimal Image =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ContainerMinimalImage

Change owner(s):
* Dusty Mabe 


Produce a new container image that contains as little as possible, but
also still provides the ability to install packages from dnf
repositories.


== Detailed Description ==
As a user of Fedora I'd like to build containers based on an image
that is a little more lightweight than the current base container
image that is produced in Fedora. We have a proof of concept kickstart
[1] that will create such an image. It is a work in progress.

[1] https://pagure.io/fedora-kickstarts/pull-request/120


== Scope ==
* Proposal owners:
Implementation of this Change

* Other developers:
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

* Release engineering:
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

* List of deliverables:
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

* Policies and guidelines:
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

* Trademark approval:
N/A (not needed for this Change)
-- 
Jan Kuřík
Platform & Fedora Program Manager
Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic
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