Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Martin Stransky wrote: as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. The Mozilla Location database is proprietary, and thus we should neither contribute nor encourage contributing to it, but instead support one or both of the following projects: http://www.openwlanmap.org/ http://www.openbmap.org/ Kevin Kofler From their FAQ [1] While we try to make the service as open as possible, the underlying data contains personally identifiable information from both the users uploading data to us and from the owners of WiFi devices. They care about their clients' privacy, just like we do. [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/CloudServices/Location/FAQ#Can_I_download_the_entire_raw_database.3F -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
Martin Stransky wrote: as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. The Mozilla Location database is proprietary, and thus we should neither contribute nor encourage contributing to it, but instead support one or both of the following projects: http://www.openwlanmap.org/ http://www.openbmap.org/ Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
On Monday, November 10, 2014 11:45:29 AM Florian Weimer wrote: Unfortunately, this does not say that it turns off reporting of encountered SSIDs, (router) MAC address, and Cell ID information. I think if you opt not to use this data to determine your own location, it is still reported to Google to improve accuracy for those who use Google's location services. In the location mode you could tell it to use a combination of one of the following 1. GPS, Wi-Fi and mobile networks 2. Wi-Fi and mobile networks and 3. only mobile networks. I will have to look into how and what exactly it sends to Google in case you choose to report location data. Cell phone users get tracked no matter what. The only consolation is that you don't know about it. -- Regards, Sudhir Khanger, sudhirkhanger.com, github.com/donniezazen, 5577 8CDB A059 085D 1D60 807F 8C00 45D9 F5EF C394. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
On 11/07/2014 01:33 PM, Sudhir Khanger wrote: I think it's a misconception that Google saves personal location data by default. When you setup your device for the first time it will ask you to enable location reporting. You can disable location reporting and delete location history on your Android devices using this link [1]. You will also lose access to all the value that location aware apps provide. [1] https://support.google.com/gmm/answer/3118687?hl=en Unfortunately, this does not say that it turns off reporting of encountered SSIDs, (router) MAC address, and Cell ID information. I think if you opt not to use this data to determine your own location, it is still reported to Google to improve accuracy for those who use Google's location services. -- Florian Weimer / Red Hat Product Security -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
On 11/06/2014 03:18 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: Geoclue2*is* ready. Ehmm. When I google GeoClue2 only relevant link is: https://developer.gnome.org/platform-overview/stable/tech-geoclue2.html.en No documentation. No mobile app for gathering data. No public API. I would not call this ready. -- Miroslav Suchy, RHCE, RHCDS Red Hat, Senior Software Engineer, #brno, #devexp, #fedora-buildsys -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
On November 7, 2014 12:00:12 AM PST, Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/06/2014 03:18 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: Geoclue2*is* ready. Ehmm. When I google GeoClue2 only relevant link is: https://developer.gnome.org/platform-overview/stable/tech-geoclue2.html.en No documentation. No mobile app for gathering data. No public API. I would not call this ready. You may find this link to the project website has some of the things you are looking for: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/GeoClue/ Zach Ploskey -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
On Thursday, November 06, 2014 08:10:19 PM Jiri Eischmann wrote: It's usually opt-in, so you don't have to use it and don't use it by default. This is at least designed as anonymous while Google tracks all Android users and saves their personal location data by default. I don't mind sharing data as long as the data is shared back in some interesting form. I think it's a misconception that Google saves personal location data by default. When you setup your device for the first time it will ask you to enable location reporting. You can disable location reporting and delete location history on your Android devices using this link [1]. You will also lose access to all the value that location aware apps provide. [1] https://support.google.com/gmm/answer/3118687?hl=en -- Regards, Sudhir Khanger, sudhirkhanger.com, github.com/donniezazen, 5577 8CDB A059 085D 1D60 807F 8C00 45D9 F5EF C394. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 18:03:06 +0530 Sudhir Khanger m...@sudhirkhanger.com wrote: On Thursday, November 06, 2014 08:10:19 PM Jiri Eischmann wrote: It's usually opt-in, so you don't have to use it and don't use it by default. This is at least designed as anonymous while Google tracks all Android users and saves their personal location data by default. I don't mind sharing data as long as the data is shared back in some interesting form. I think it's a misconception that Google saves personal location data by default. When you setup your device for the first time it will ask you to enable location reporting. You can disable location reporting and delete location history on your Android devices using this link [1]. You will also lose access to all the value that location aware apps provide. And you do realize this is just a subtle punishment for not surrendering to them your location data ? They could simply offer you a middle ground, (say store just one day or one week of data), but nope, it's either all or nothing, and if you choose nothing, we'll cripple your service, KTHXBYE. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
On Thursday, November 06, 2014 01:16:20 PM Martin Stransky wrote: I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. How do I benefit from broadcasting my location? -- Regards, Sudhir Khanger, sudhirkhanger.com, github.com/donniezazen, 5577 8CDB A059 085D 1D60 807F 8C00 45D9 F5EF C394. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
- Original Message - Hi Folks, as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. Thanks! ma. p.s.: Yes, I know about GeoClue2, see [1] for the discussion. But it's not ready yet and won't be anytime soon. Geoclue2 *is* ready. Firefox support for GeoClue2 isn't. It was supposed to be implemented by a Firefox hacker, but he failed to make any progress in the past 6 months. That probably means that we'll have to look at it ourselves. Good thing we can use GDBus in Firefox now though. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
2014-11-06 9:16 GMT-03:00 Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com: Hi Folks, as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. Wrong list. Would you please post this to trans list? k.r. Domingo Becker -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
2014-11-06 11:18 GMT-03:00 Domingo Becker domingobec...@gmail.com: 2014-11-06 9:16 GMT-03:00 Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com: Hi Folks, as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. Wrong list. Would you please post this to trans list? Sorry for the noise. I read localization. Sorry! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
On Thu, 6 Nov 2014, Martin Stransky wrote: as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. Are third party (non-browsers, free opensource software) allowed to use the service? The licensing I see mostly talks about the gathering the data, but not about consuming the data. Paul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
On Thu, 2014-11-06 at 09:43 -0500, Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2014, Martin Stransky wrote: as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. Are third party (non-browsers, free opensource software) allowed to use the service? The licensing I see mostly talks about the gathering the data, but not about consuming the data. We are actually using the mozilla location service for the desktop location consumers nowadays, via geoclue. So adding to the mozilla database will also help the desktop apps. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
On 11/06/2014 03:18 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - Hi Folks, as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. Thanks! ma. p.s.: Yes, I know about GeoClue2, see [1] for the discussion. But it's not ready yet and won't be anytime soon. Geoclue2 *is* ready. Firefox support for GeoClue2 isn't. It was supposed to be implemented by a Firefox hacker, but he failed to make any progress in the past 6 months. That probably means that we'll have to look at it ourselves. Good thing we can use GDBus in Firefox now though. Sure, we can switch to Geoclue2 when we have a r+ patch FF for it. ma. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
Hi Folks, as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. Thanks! ma. p.s.: Yes, I know about GeoClue2, see [1] for the discussion. But it's not ready yet and won't be anytime soon. [0] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.geolocation/isFQAMao-zE [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1063739 [2] https://location.services.mozilla.com/ [3] https://location.services.mozilla.com/apps -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
stransky wrote: [...] I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. [...] Until Mozilla figures out how to publish this data [1], it seems premature to ask us to donate to it. [1] https://location.services.mozilla.com/downloads (wifi networks) - FChE -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
- Original Message - stransky wrote: [...] I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. [...] Until Mozilla figures out how to publish this data [1], it seems premature to ask us to donate to it. Doesn't seem premature to me. We make free software, and that software is free to use. The database we use doesn't have to be free. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
Sudhir Khanger píše v Čt 06. 11. 2014 v 19:33 +0530: On Thursday, November 06, 2014 01:16:20 PM Martin Stransky wrote: I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. How do I benefit from broadcasting my location? Well, it depends how sensitive about your privacy you are. IMHO most people appreciate if they start e.g. GNOME Maps and the app shows right away where they are even on normal computers that don't have a GPS module. Or that you let Anaconda set system language, keyboard etc. based on their location. Such a database allows open source projects to have such a functionality. It's usually opt-in, so you don't have to use it and don't use it by default. This is at least designed as anonymous while Google tracks all Android users and saves their personal location data by default. I've been using Mozilla Stumbler for a few days and due to that my home laptop can be accurately localized when I want to use such a service. Jiri -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora
On Thu, 2014-11-06 at 19:33 +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote: How do I benefit from broadcasting my location? You don't. When a web site requests your location, your browsers prompts you to decide whether or not you want the site to have your location. It's not a broadcast to random sites. For example, a voter's guide might use your location to determine which electoral districts you live in. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
