Re: KDE Autostart in F34
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 4:15 AM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Rex Dieter wrote: > > kde plasma on f34 uses systemd user session and > > systemd-xdg-autostart-generator > > Why was this changed? ksmserver worked fine all this time. Why can we not > let systemd handle, well, *system* services (as its name says) and leave > user services to the desktop environment? > Because ksmserver does a bad job of user session management and it was causing serious (nearly release blocking!) bugs for the last few Fedora Linux releases. We had expressed interest to upstream about using systemd user session management for the Plasma session to resolve these issues early last year and they had made it available for Plasma 5.20, so we switched to it then. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: KDE Autostart in F34
> > Thanks Vitaly. We will look into converting it to systemd-user unit. > > I believe that would work for all other desktop managers as well. > > Yeah, you might want to ship both a systemd unit and an XDG autostart > file for the time being. There will still be graphical desktops > environments which are not started using systemd in the foreseeable > future. Hopefully fixed upstream in Plasma 5.22: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=433987 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: KDE Autostart in F34
Rex Dieter wrote: > kde plasma on f34 uses systemd user session and > systemd-xdg-autostart-generator Why was this changed? ksmserver worked fine all this time. Why can we not let systemd handle, well, *system* services (as its name says) and leave user services to the desktop environment? Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: KDE Autostart in F34
On Tue, 2021-04-27 at 20:03 +, Ravindra Kumar wrote: > > This desktop file need to be replaced by the systemd-user unit, > > IMO. > > Thanks Vitaly. We will look into converting it to systemd-user unit. > I believe that would work for all other desktop managers as well. Yeah, you might want to ship both a systemd unit and an XDG autostart file for the time being. There will still be graphical desktops environments which are not started using systemd in the foreseeable future. If you decide to ship both, please add X-GNOME-HiddenUnderSystemd=true and X-systemd-hidden=true to the desktop file to prevent the service from getting started twice. If the ExitType= patch fixes this, then the problem is that the generated service does not handle forking services right now and it will work fine with systemd v249 and later. Benjamin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: KDE Autostart in F34
> This desktop file need to be replaced by the systemd-user unit, IMO. Thanks Vitaly. We will look into converting it to systemd-user unit. I believe that would work for all other desktop managers as well. Thanks, Ravindra ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: KDE Autostart in F34
> I commented in the bug with some debugging steps to try. Thanks Rex. We can discuss this further in the bug. Thanks, Ravindra ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: KDE Autostart in F34
On 27.04.2021 02:23, Ravindra Kumar wrote: It looks like KDE in Fedora 34 is not honoring open-vm-tools autostart script in /etc/xdg/autostart/vmware-user.desktop. GNOME seems to work fine. This desktop file need to be replaced by the systemd-user unit, IMO. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: KDE Autostart in F34
Ravindra Kumar wrote: > Hi, > > I hope there are some KDE experts on the list who can help me debug this - > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1953472. > > It looks like KDE in Fedora 34 is not honoring open-vm-tools autostart > script in /etc/xdg/autostart/vmware-user.desktop. GNOME seems to work > fine. > > Could you please confirm if KDE supports autostart scripts from > /etc/xdg/autostart dir? If yes, is there a regression in F34? kde plasma on f34 uses systemd user session and systemd-xdg-autostart- generator, so yes, autostart is supported (but this new method has some quirks). I commented in the bug with some debugging steps to try. -- Rex ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
KDE Autostart in F34
Hi, I hope there are some KDE experts on the list who can help me debug this - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1953472. It looks like KDE in Fedora 34 is not honoring open-vm-tools autostart script in /etc/xdg/autostart/vmware-user.desktop. GNOME seems to work fine. Could you please confirm if KDE supports autostart scripts from /etc/xdg/autostart dir? If yes, is there a regression in F34? Thanks, Ravindra ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
