Re: Poll: How users use DNF
Going to chip in with: /usr/bin/yum -d 0 -e 0 -y install PACKAGE This is what default Fedora package provider does in Puppet. -- Later, Lukas #lzap Zapletal -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
/*Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com*/ wrote on Tue, 9 Dec 2014 12:28:54 -0500 (EST): Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly interested in the occurrences of dnf/yum install calls in your scripts. What does these scripts do and what do they expect when they call the install command in different situations? Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. Not something like: that's obvious that the install command should never downgrade packages. Please focus on *use cases*. The *real* (non-hypothetical) use cases. Not on the command's name as it might also result in a new command (while preserving the well-known install command together with an appropriate behaviour). I don't mind if you send it offlist (or to another list). I think there is no need to comment on anyone's use case. Every case is valid. Just not every case can be supported. Thank you very much in advance. 1. There are many cases that I want to install a package, but I don't care if it is the latest version available in the repos. So, I use '-C' regularly (currently doesn't work with yum, so I use dnf when I want to use -C to install a package without updating metadata). 2. I don't want dnf/yum/(any other software) to download data from internet at random times. If it wants to do it, it should do it on the networks I allowed, at the times I allowed. Not just when 'it can'. 3. When I want to install a package, I usually 'want' it. So, if it requires downgrade, I might be OK with it. I'd love to see a proposal with downgrades rather than saying that sorry, this package cannot be installed. 4. When I ask it to install some packages, I usually want it to do it with minimal downloads. I don't want it to update its dependencies if they are already installed, unless it is strictly necessary to install the package. Even in that case, I'd love to be able to tell the package manager (e.g. using a new command, or using an option to the install command) to install an older version of the package so that its dependencies doesn't need updating (instead of updating the dependencies to install the latest version, install an older version which matches the dependencies I've already got installed). Regards, Hedayat -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 12/11/2014 05:39 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 05:15:25PM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: I quite often start new instances from images in Cloud (either OpenStack or EC2) and do yum upgrade. But because root partition is very limited (e.g. 3GB) and yum upgrade needs XX MB of additional space I need to manually run: Hmmm — are you doing this on purpose or is growpart not working for you? On purpose. Why should I create VM with 5+GB root partition when 3GB is more then enough? Of course enough but the initial upgrade. If you have to pay for provisioned storage then it matters. And I would use that storage only first hour of that VM and then it will never be utilized. Amazon price is: $0.05 - $0.08 per GB-month of provisioned storage (cheapest magnetic storage, the SSD costs even more) It seems to be small. But times it by few GB, by dozen machines and it will grow quite fast. -- Miroslav Suchy, RHCE, RHCDS Red Hat, Senior Software Engineer, #brno, #devexp, #fedora-buildsys -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 12:03:58AM +0400, Igor Gnatenko wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 05:56:43PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I found your email a bit confusing, so hopefully this is what you are after: (1) virt-builder --install is implemented using 'yum install' (2) virt-customize --install is implemented using 'yum install' More precisely it's 'yum -y install list of packages...' I forgot: There is also an --update flag for both of these commands, currently implemented using 'yum -y update'. yes, you can. you can also do this via dnf API ;) It's unlikely to work for libguestfs though, since we're running those commands in the context of a guest where we have little or no control over what software is installed. (Especially for virt-customize) Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com Fedora Windows cross-compiler. Compile Windows programs, test, and build Windows installers. Over 100 libraries supported. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MinGW -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 9 December 2014 at 17:28, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly interested in the occurrences of dnf/yum install calls in your scripts. What does these scripts do and what do they expect when they call the install command in different situations? Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: Hi, I do different things at home (Fedora) and work (RHEL). At work our system administrator uses satellite to push out changes (as a result no scripting of yum), but as I do building and testing of things I need to be able to install packages and often while maintaining existing versions, so things will usually go: 1. yum install foo-devel 2. If offered a foo-devel with update to foo and various dependencies, say no, if no updates then say no. 3. Copy current version of package and attempt with that appended, e.g. yum install mesa-libGLU-devel-7.11 In the single example of a -devel package I could short circuit this by doing an rpm -q on the base package first, but in some cases you're installing completely new libraries, in which case offered updates mean using yum search --showduplicates to find earlier available versions. Don't do this often enough to have looked into more efficient ways of doing it, since it's not that time consuming if the things actually exist. Home, usually just the regular user stuff of making sure packages are most recent. Occasionally downgrading or installing things from koji when working with bugs. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 02:20:32PM -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 12/10/2014 02:09 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: I am using web proxy on Synology NAS at home and all my Fedora machines use it for dnf/yum fetching. With on-disk cache set to 10GB it makes all system upgrades and mock builds very fast. How does the proxy work with the various mirrors? Do you have client side settings to deal with that? I wrote my own proxy in python that is specifically for yum and matches filenames from any url. It's quite a hack and fails once in a while, but it saves me a huge amount of time and bandwidth with the large amount of Fedora computers I manage. I suppose I could mirror the whole thing locally, but this way I only download the packages I need as I need them. This is definitely a thing which is needed. Also: http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/half-baked-idea-content-addressable-web-proxy/#content Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-builder quickly builds VMs from scratch http://libguestfs.org/virt-builder.1.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:20:32 -0800 Samuel Sieb sam...@sieb.net wrote: On 12/10/2014 02:09 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: I am using web proxy on Synology NAS at home and all my Fedora machines use it for dnf/yum fetching. With on-disk cache set to 10GB it makes all system upgrades and mock builds very fast. How does the proxy work with the various mirrors? Do you have client side settings to deal with that? I wrote my own proxy in python that is specifically for yum and matches filenames from any url. It's quite a hack and fails once in a while, but it saves me a huge amount of time and bandwidth with the large amount of Fedora computers I manage. I suppose I could mirror the whole thing locally, but this way I only download the packages I need as I need them. http://sharkcz.livejournal.com/2534.html Dan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 12/09/2014 06:28 PM, Radek Holy wrote: Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly interested in the occurrences of dnf/yum install calls in your scripts. What does these scripts do and what do they expect when they call the install command in different situations? Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. Not something like: that's obvious that the install command should never downgrade packages. Please focus on *use cases*. The *real* (non-hypothetical) use cases. Not on the command's name as it might also result in a new command (while preserving the well-known install command together with an appropriate behaviour). I don't mind if you send it offlist (or to another list). I think there is no need to comment on anyone's use case. Every case is valid. Just not every case can be supported. Thank you very much in advance. I quite often start new instances from images in Cloud (either OpenStack or EC2) and do yum upgrade. But because root partition is very limited (e.g. 3GB) and yum upgrade needs XX MB of additional space I need to manually run: yum install foo yum install bar with several packages, which does not have too much deps and repeat it until yum upgrade finally fit the free space. If I can have dnf upgrade-in-chunks I would be very happy. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1032541 -- Miroslav Suchy, RHCE, RHCDS Red Hat, Senior Software Engineer, #brno, #devexp, #fedora-buildsys -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 12/11/2014 12:56 PM, Dan Horák wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:20:32 -0800 Samuel Sieb sam...@sieb.net wrote: On 12/10/2014 02:09 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: I am using web proxy on Synology NAS at home and all my Fedora machines use it for dnf/yum fetching. With on-disk cache set to 10GB it makes all system upgrades and mock builds very fast. How does the proxy work with the various mirrors? Do you have client side settings to deal with that? I wrote my own proxy in python that is specifically for yum and matches filenames from any url. It's quite a hack and fails once in a while, but it saves me a huge amount of time and bandwidth with the large amount of Fedora computers I manage. I suppose I could mirror the whole thing locally, but this way I only download the packages I need as I need them. http://sharkcz.livejournal.com/2534.html Some variables for squid, which we used in Spacewalk Proxy and you can find it useful: # Average object size, used to estimate number of objects your # cache can hold. The default is 13 KB. # I done the calculation across all RHEL package we had in DB several years ago store_avg_object_size 817 KB # rpm will hardly ever change, force to chache it for very long time refresh_pattern \.rpm$ 10080 100% 525960 override-expire override-lastmod ignore-reload reload-into-ims refresh_pattern . 0 100%525960 # if transport is canceled, finish downloading anyway quick_abort_pct -1 quick_abort_min -1 KB # when range is required, download whole file anyway # when we request rpm header, we will nearly always get # request for the rest of the file range_offset_limit -1 KB # we download only from 1 server, default is 1024 # which is too much for us fqdncache_size 4 And of course, it is good idea to tune this according your HW: cache_mem 400 MB maximum_object_size 200 MB maximum_object_size_in_memory 1024 KB # Size should be about 60% of your free space cache_dir ufs /var/spool/squid 15000 16 256 -- Miroslav Suchy, RHCE, RHCDS Red Hat, Senior Software Engineer, #brno, #devexp, #fedora-buildsys -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 05:15:25PM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: I quite often start new instances from images in Cloud (either OpenStack or EC2) and do yum upgrade. But because root partition is very limited (e.g. 3GB) and yum upgrade needs XX MB of additional space I need to manually run: Hmmm — are you doing this on purpose or is growpart not working for you? -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
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On 12/11/2014 02:57 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This is definitely a thing which is needed. Also: http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/half-baked-idea-content-addressable-web-proxy/#content I did read that. It's one step beyond what I have, but how does the hash get sent? The client would need to be modified (yum plugin?) to send the hash. My proxy is actually pretty effective as it is. It just needs to be a bit more robust about slow or stuck connections. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 09:06:46AM -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 12/11/2014 02:57 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: This is definitely a thing which is needed. Also: http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/half-baked-idea-content-addressable-web-proxy/#content I did read that. It's one step beyond what I have, but how does the hash get sent? The client would need to be modified (yum plugin?) to send the hash. Yes, it does require a modified client. Yum already has the hash information - there are sha256 checksums of the RPMs in the primary XML metadata. Yum just needs to send them in the HTTP request. So I'm assuming the modifications are fairly simple. (Not actually have done them or tried to do them of course!) My proxy is actually pretty effective as it is. It just needs to be a bit more robust about slow or stuck connections. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-builder quickly builds VMs from scratch http://libguestfs.org/virt-builder.1.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
Radek Holy wrote: I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. One thing I do twice a year, whenever I upgrade to a new Fedora release, is to first run this in graphical mode: yum --releasever=n+1 --downloadonly distro-sync and then this in text mode: yum --releasever=n+1 -C distro-sync The important feature there is --downloadonly. It is essential to make this work. Without --downloadonly, I'd have to run the whole thing in text mode, which: 1. forces me off the desktop environment for the whole download time, and 2. works at all only if the network is accessible in text-mode, which is only the case if the credentials are stored systemwide in NM and not in KWallet (or gnome-keyring for that matter). Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Tuesday, December 09, 2014 12:28:54 PM Radek Holy wrote: I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. DNF doesn't work with local repositories created via createrepo or yum-plugin- local. It is one of the reasons I can't use DNF at all. I would hope that DNF would support local repositories before Fedora adopts it as an official package management tool. Here is the bug report[1]. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=991014 -- Regards, Sudhir Khanger, sudhirkhanger.com, github.com/donniezazen, 5577 8CDB A059 085D 1D60 807F 8C00 45D9 F5EF C394. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 9.12.2014 18:28, Radek Holy wrote: Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly interested in the occurrences of dnf/yum install calls in your scripts. What does these scripts do and what do they expect when they call the install command in different situations? Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. Not something like: that's obvious that the install command should never downgrade packages. Please focus on *use cases*. The *real* (non-hypothetical) use cases. Not on the command's name as it might also result in a new command (while preserving the well-known install command together with an appropriate behaviour). I don't mind if you send it offlist (or to another list). I think there is no need to comment on anyone's use case. Every case is valid. Just not every case can be supported. Thank you very much in advance. Hello, my use cases are developer-oriented: 1) I need ability to install *precise* versions of packages. Typically this is caused by need to examine coredump file received from a user. Install command in yum behaves weirdly, there are all sorts of weird corner cases where yum install foo-2:3.4.5-666 bar-1:2.3-4 fails for some reason. Imagine this situation: - I always start with clean Fedora VM snapshot created a week (or month :-) ago. It would be waste of bandwidth and time to reinstall it the every day. - I copypaste list of package from bug report to command line - it results in command line: $ yum install foo-2:3.4.5-666 bar-1:2.3-4 In this scenario, it could happen that package foo needs upgrade (because the VM snapshot is 1 week old) and package bar needs downgrade at the same time (because user who reported the bug did not upgrade bar package for whatever reason). In my opinion, if 'install' command receives N(E)VR specification then it should respect it even if it means downgrade. And it should *scream* if it is not possible install requested package version! I'm not sure if there is a conflict with other requirements you received, maybe I'm asking for dnf install-what-I-typed-in command :-) 2) Installing locally built RPMs: I often rebuild packages with minimal changes, e.g. just with different CFLAGS but with no changes to the actual source. I get my new shiny packages in ~/rpmbuild but $ yum install ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* often fails to install them because system has newer or the same version of the package installed already. In this specific case, where yum install gets RPMs as parameters (instead of names from repo) it should (re)install them even if it means downgrade. 3) Upgrading/Reinstalling locally built packages. In cases where rebuild yields lots of packages it is handy to have ability to reinstall/upgrade/downgrade only packages which are installed at the moment. E.g. bind src rpm produces 15 different packages but my test system has only 8 of them installed. In this case running $ yum install ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* is not useful because I would install a lot of unnecessary packages (which can be sometime conflicting with others). I would be happy if $ yum reinstall ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* reinstalled/upgradeed/downgraded only packages which are actually installed and ignored the rest. Maybe it is a case for dnf reinstall-what-I-typed-in command. Thank you for listening and have a nice day! -- Petr^2 Spacek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 10.12.2014 10:14, Petr Spacek wrote: On 9.12.2014 18:28, Radek Holy wrote: Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly interested in the occurrences of dnf/yum install calls in your scripts. What does these scripts do and what do they expect when they call the install command in different situations? Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. Not something like: that's obvious that the install command should never downgrade packages. Please focus on *use cases*. The *real* (non-hypothetical) use cases. Not on the command's name as it might also result in a new command (while preserving the well-known install command together with an appropriate behaviour). I don't mind if you send it offlist (or to another list). I think there is no need to comment on anyone's use case. Every case is valid. Just not every case can be supported. Thank you very much in advance. Hello, my use cases are developer-oriented: 1) I need ability to install *precise* versions of packages. Typically this is caused by need to examine coredump file received from a user. Install command in yum behaves weirdly, there are all sorts of weird corner cases where yum install foo-2:3.4.5-666 bar-1:2.3-4 fails for some reason. Imagine this situation: - I always start with clean Fedora VM snapshot created a week (or month :-) ago. It would be waste of bandwidth and time to reinstall it the every day. - I copypaste list of package from bug report to command line - it results in command line: $ yum install foo-2:3.4.5-666 bar-1:2.3-4 In this scenario, it could happen that package foo needs upgrade (because the VM snapshot is 1 week old) and package bar needs downgrade at the same time (because user who reported the bug did not upgrade bar package for whatever reason). In my opinion, if 'install' command receives N(E)VR specification then it should respect it even if it means downgrade. And it should *scream* if it is not possible install requested package version! I'm not sure if there is a conflict with other requirements you received, maybe I'm asking for dnf install-what-I-typed-in command :-) 2) Installing locally built RPMs: I often rebuild packages with minimal changes, e.g. just with different CFLAGS but with no changes to the actual source. I get my new shiny packages in ~/rpmbuild but $ yum install ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* often fails to install them because system has newer or the same version of the package installed already. In this specific case, where yum install gets RPMs as parameters (instead of names from repo) it should (re)install them even if it means downgrade. 3) Upgrading/Reinstalling locally built packages. In cases where rebuild yields lots of packages it is handy to have ability to reinstall/upgrade/downgrade only packages which are installed at the moment. E.g. bind src rpm produces 15 different packages but my test system has only 8 of them installed. In this case running $ yum install ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* is not useful because I would install a lot of unnecessary packages (which can be sometime conflicting with others). I would be happy if $ yum reinstall ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* reinstalled/upgradeed/downgraded only packages which are actually installed and ignored the rest. Maybe it is a case for dnf reinstall-what-I-typed-in command. Oh, I forgot to one more use case/plugin. 4) Fedora does not store old versions of packages in repo so I often have to go to Koji and download older rpms from there. A koji-repo plugin (in combination with install-what-I-typed-in command described above) would be awesome thing to have: Just copypaste list of RPMs from bug report and get all of them installed in one sweep! Thank you for listening and have a nice day! -- Petr^2 Spacek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
Petr Spacek wrote: I would be happy if $ yum reinstall ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* reinstalled/upgradeed/downgraded only packages which are actually installed and ignored the rest. In this case, you should be able to just use rpm -Fvh. (I assume the dependencies are already installed, which is likely to be the case if you already have a different version of the same package.) Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 02:32:35PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Petr Spacek wrote: I would be happy if $ yum reinstall ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* reinstalled/upgradeed/downgraded only packages which are actually installed and ignored the rest. In this case, you should be able to just use rpm -Fvh. (I assume the dependencies are already installed, which is likely to be the case if you already have a different version of the same package.) I use rpm -Fvh too, but it's not always convenient. It'll only install *newer* packages, and it will not install dependencies. E.g. for python packages, dependencies often do not have to be installed during build, so even if building a package, not everything required for installation is there. Zbyszek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 12:28:54PM -0500, Radek Holy wrote: Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. OpenStack's devstack.sh deployment script makes use of YUM for two core tasks. First it wants to ensure a set of packages exist on the host and wants to see an error exit status if any of the packages requested are not present after the command completes. Currently it uses 'install' for this but has to grep stderr for No package to see if YUM claimed success when it in fact failed to install some of the packages [1]. Second it wants to be able to be to ensure a package is not present on a server. ie if the package is not installed currently that's fine, but if it is installed it must be removed. It wants to have an error status only if the package is installed and cannot be removed. In both cases it needs to operate non-interactively with no user prompting. Regards, Daniel [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=965567 -- |: http://berrange.com -o-http://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: http://entangle-photo.org -o- http://live.gnome.org/gtk-vnc :| -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 12/09/2014 05:48 PM, Oron Peled wrote: OK, this isn't a direct DNF/YUM item, but still... I have several workstations/laptops with the same Fedora version (currently 20): * Downloading the same RPM's/DRPM's for each of these hosts is a huge waste. * OTOH, I haven't found a no-brainer yum-proxy (a-la Debian's apt-proxy or apt-cacher-ng) FWIW - I still use InstantMirror, despite its warts: https://github.com/opoplawski/InstantMirror -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA, Boulder/CoRA Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane or...@nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.nwra.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
I found your email a bit confusing, so hopefully this is what you are after: (1) virt-builder --install is implemented using 'yum install' (2) virt-customize --install is implemented using 'yum install' For (1) and (2) I intend to replace yum with dnf when the guest version is Fedora = 22 (or 23?) (3) virt-v2v uses 'yum install' and 'yum resolvedep' both for very complicated reasons. It may be best just to read the source: https://github.com/libguestfs/libguestfs/blob/master/v2v/convert_linux.ml (4) supermin uses yumdownloader. We would like to replace it with 'dnf download' except that it is broken (RHBZ#1157233). Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-p2v converts physical machines to virtual machines. Boot with a live CD or over the network (PXE) and turn machines into KVM guests. http://libguestfs.org/virt-v2v -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 06:04:00AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Przemek Klosowski wrote: I have mixed feelings for the typo correction/suggestions for arguments providing package names: I am glad they are case-insensitive because case conventions in package names are all over the place. On the other hand I am concerned about possible mistakes (I want to 'install foo' but mistype it as 'boo' and end up installing 'bugaboo'). Indeed, autocorrection should never be done without confirmation (and in non-interactive mode (dnf -y), it should probably just fail). It's just too likely to accidentally give the wrong answer. There should definitely be the equivalent of 'dnf --do-exactly-what-i-say' so that we can use it from scripts and programs. Also (as yum is not careful about this): - Always send errors to stderr and ordinary output to stdout - Return a non-zero exit code on failure - Make sure ^C works Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com libguestfs lets you edit virtual machines. Supports shell scripting, bindings from many languages. http://libguestfs.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 05:56:43PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I found your email a bit confusing, so hopefully this is what you are after: (1) virt-builder --install is implemented using 'yum install' (2) virt-customize --install is implemented using 'yum install' More precisely it's 'yum -y install list of packages...' I forgot: There is also an --update flag for both of these commands, currently implemented using 'yum -y update'. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-builder quickly builds VMs from scratch http://libguestfs.org/virt-builder.1.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 05:56:43PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I found your email a bit confusing, so hopefully this is what you are after: (1) virt-builder --install is implemented using 'yum install' (2) virt-customize --install is implemented using 'yum install' More precisely it's 'yum -y install list of packages...' I forgot: There is also an --update flag for both of these commands, currently implemented using 'yum -y update'. yes, you can. you can also do this via dnf API ;) Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-builder quickly builds VMs from scratch http://libguestfs.org/virt-builder.1.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- -Igor Gnatenko -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
W dniu 10.12.2014 o 01:48, Oron Peled pisze: I have several workstations/laptops with the same Fedora version (currently 20): * Downloading the same RPM's/DRPM's for each of these hosts is a huge waste. I am using web proxy on Synology NAS at home and all my Fedora machines use it for dnf/yum fetching. With on-disk cache set to 10GB it makes all system upgrades and mock builds very fast. Used apt-cacher-ng before went to Fedora. Still miss it. Especially connected with 'check-for-aptcacherng-over-avahi' plugin. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 12/10/2014 02:09 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: I am using web proxy on Synology NAS at home and all my Fedora machines use it for dnf/yum fetching. With on-disk cache set to 10GB it makes all system upgrades and mock builds very fast. How does the proxy work with the various mirrors? Do you have client side settings to deal with that? I wrote my own proxy in python that is specifically for yum and matches filenames from any url. It's quite a hack and fails once in a while, but it saves me a huge amount of time and bandwidth with the large amount of Fedora computers I manage. I suppose I could mirror the whole thing locally, but this way I only download the packages I need as I need them. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Poll: How users use DNF
Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly interested in the occurrences of dnf/yum install calls in your scripts. What does these scripts do and what do they expect when they call the install command in different situations? Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. Not something like: that's obvious that the install command should never downgrade packages. Please focus on *use cases*. The *real* (non-hypothetical) use cases. Not on the command's name as it might also result in a new command (while preserving the well-known install command together with an appropriate behaviour). I don't mind if you send it offlist (or to another list). I think there is no need to comment on anyone's use case. Every case is valid. Just not every case can be supported. Thank you very much in advance. -- Radek Holý Associate Software Engineer Software Management Team Red Hat Czech -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
Hi, We use yum wrapped up in a python script that runs from a master server and uses ssh to log into server/servers and run the requested command (the script doesn't support all, just most -install, downgrade, upgrade etc) against either a single rpm or upgrade all rpms. It uses the exit status from yum to catch errors, log them and either move to the next server or exit (which is an option to the script). For the more dangerous yum actions (such as downgrade, remove etc) the script ask for verification by generating a random number and requesting you input it (basic yes/no leads to auto typing). Ideally I'd like this to be a part of dnf or yum suite so that I don't have to run write a script to perform this. As we look after 100s of servers, having the ability to do this has saved large amounts of time for us. Since I wrote the original (a bash script originally) 10 years ago this is used globally internally and our SAs expect this to be there and can't imagine managing our server farms without. Therefore I strong believe this is a typical user case that is currently not covered. Hope that is what you are looking for. Regards, Jon On Tue Dec 09 2014 at 17:29:04 Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly interested in the occurrences of dnf/yum install calls in your scripts. What does these scripts do and what do they expect when they call the install command in different situations? Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. Not something like: that's obvious that the install command should never downgrade packages. Please focus on *use cases*. The *real* (non-hypothetical) use cases. Not on the command's name as it might also result in a new command (while preserving the well-known install command together with an appropriate behaviour). I don't mind if you send it offlist (or to another list). I think there is no need to comment on anyone's use case. Every case is valid. Just not every case can be supported. Thank you very much in advance. -- Radek Holý Associate Software Engineer Software Management Team Red Hat Czech -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 12/09/2014 12:28 PM, Radek Holy wrote: Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. I have mixed feelings for the typo correction/suggestions for arguments providing package names: I am glad they are case-insensitive because case conventions in package names are all over the place. On the other hand I am concerned about possible mistakes (I want to 'install foo' but mistype it as 'boo' and end up installing 'bugaboo'). The 'yum' environment is a little too rich: too many commands: routine system administration requires all of yum, yum-complete-transaction, yumdownloader, repoquery, package-cleanup, and rpm---each of those commands is sometimes essential in a way not provided by other related commands. I do appreciate that yum doesn't just report errors and problems but also provides suggestions for fixing them. I think the dependency and system consistency checks are essential, and --skip-broken is quite useful. On the other hand, maybe in an ideal world skip-broken should almost never be required---I feel I am forced to use it far too often even though I use fairly vanilla package sets. This also reminds me that it's absolutely crazy that anyone would ever need to manually delete __db.00?, although to be fair I wasn't forced to do it anytime in recent memory, so maybe that has been fixed. HTH przemek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014, at 04:58 PM, Jon Kent wrote: Hi, We use yum wrapped up in a python script that runs from a master server and uses ssh to log into server/servers and run the requested command I'd recommend Ansible, it comes with built in primitives for interacting with yum declaratively. There are other systems out there of course too. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
- Original Message - From: Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:28:54 PM Subject: Poll: How users use DNF Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly interested in the occurrences of dnf/yum install calls in your scripts. What does these scripts do and what do they expect when they call the install command in different situations? Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. Not something like: that's obvious that the install command should never downgrade packages. Please focus on *use cases*. The *real* (non-hypothetical) use cases. Not on the command's name as it might also result in a new command (while preserving the well-known install command together with an appropriate behaviour). I don't mind if you send it offlist (or to another list). I think there is no need to comment on anyone's use case. Every case is valid. Just not every case can be supported. Wow, I have already received a lot of feedback from you. I have not read it all yet. I very much appreciate it. Feel free to add even more feedback :-) I just forgot to mention that even your own aliases, plugins, workarounds and the other hacks you always need to do your job properly would be very interesting for us. Thank you in advance -- Radek Holý Associate Software Engineer Software Management Team Red Hat Czech -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly interested in the occurrences of dnf/yum install calls in your scripts. What does these scripts do and what do they expect when they call the install command in different situations? Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: [snip] Hi, I typically use 'yum upgrade' because I just want to make sure I have the latest patches. Often, I will do 'yum --enablerepo=\* clean all' to ensure I don't have stale metadata, first. I also occasionally use 'yum distro-sync' to drop orphaned packages, and rely heavily on plugins like protectbase, keys, show-leaves, remove-with-leaves, and fastestmirror. I also sometimes use 'yum localinstall' to install specific packages with a URL or filename (to install RPMfusion repos, for example), because I don't want to see warnings about rpmdb modified outside of yum with using rpm directly. I frequently use 'yum list installed' to and wildcard patterns to the list command to search for specific packages (because search tends to show 32-bit duplicates and I don't typically need the description, just the package name, when searching). In cloud init scripts I frequently use '-y' and '--skip-broken' to install or upgrade specific sets of packages, because these scripts run non-interactively and I want to upgrade some things even when I can't upgrade everything. In my normal workstation environment, I typically only run yum manually from the command-line and don't need these. I have not yet tried dnf at all. -- Christopher L Tubbs II http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
I have yet to port my scripts (https://bitbucket.org/znmeb/osjourno) from 'yum' to 'dnf'. I'm not sure I am going to unless the live ISO creation tools also switch. But I have tried both 'dnf' and 'yum' manually during the F21 alpha and beta test phases. I think there were cases where 'yum' said there were updates and 'dnf' didn't. And it seemed like 'dnf' was slower. My main use case is 'yum update' - I rarely use the Software tool on the desktop. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Radek Holy rh...@redhat.com wrote: Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly interested in the occurrences of dnf/yum install calls in your scripts. What does these scripts do and what do they expect when they call the install command in different situations? Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. Not something like: that's obvious that the install command should never downgrade packages. Please focus on *use cases*. The *real* (non-hypothetical) use cases. Not on the command's name as it might also result in a new command (while preserving the well-known install command together with an appropriate behaviour). I don't mind if you send it offlist (or to another list). I think there is no need to comment on anyone's use case. Every case is valid. Just not every case can be supported. Thank you very much in advance. -- Radek Holý Associate Software Engineer Software Management Team Red Hat Czech -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/znmeb; OSJourno: Robust Power Tools for Digital Journalists https://osjourno.com Remember, if you're traveling to Bactria, Hump Day is Tuesday and Thursday. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
Hi On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 7:19 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: I have yet to port my scripts (https://bitbucket.org/znmeb/osjourno) from 'yum' to 'dnf'. I'm not sure I am going to unless the live ISO creation tools also switch. But I have tried both 'dnf' and 'yum' manually during the F21 alpha and beta test phases. I think there were cases where 'yum' said there were updates and 'dnf' didn't. And it seemed like 'dnf' was slower. http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/user_faq.html?highlight=faq#why-do-i-get-different-results-with-dnf-upgrade-vs-yum-update Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Tuesday 09 December 2014 18:39:25 Radek Holy wrote: Wow, I have already received a lot of feedback from you. I have not read it all yet. I very much appreciate it. Feel free to add even more feedback :-) I just forgot to mention that even your own aliases, plugins, workarounds and the other hacks you always need to do your job properly would be very interesting for us. OK, this isn't a direct DNF/YUM item, but still... I have several workstations/laptops with the same Fedora version (currently 20): * Downloading the same RPM's/DRPM's for each of these hosts is a huge waste. * OTOH, I haven't found a no-brainer yum-proxy (a-la Debian's apt-proxy or apt-cacher-ng) * I update them daily. I do this manually to have a quick look at what changes. * Sometimes I update via KDE apper (which use PackageKit, which calls yum backend). * But most of the time I do this over ssh, using DNF (it's faster...) So my workaround is: * I have a script: yumcache_to hostname * This copies (via rsync) all RPM's/DRPM's under /var/cache/yum. Last year I also added /var/cache/dnf. * It doesn't copy the meta-data files (for safety -- maybe they are in the middle of update via PackageKit or some cron-job). * When I started using DNF, I modified my script to also cross-hard-link all packages between yum and dnf caches before the rsync. * This effectively make them behave as a unified cache. Since some of my updates are via yum (e.g: via PackageKit) and some via dnf -- this cross-hard-linking also save extra downloads. For this to be effective: * I have a keepcache=1 in /etc/yum.conf and keepcache=true in /etc/dnf/dnf.conf * I have another yumcache_dillute script that remove old RPM's from caches (by time-stamp). As said, this isn't directly yum/dnf issue, but your are the people that can think of the missing pieces (some yum/dnf proxy -- that maps url's across mirrorlist -- so the same RPM's is a proxy hit, regardless of which exact mirror it was pulled off) Thank you all, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://users.actcom.co.il/~oron ...there are two types of command interfaces in the world of computing: good interfaces and user interfaces. - Dan Bernstein, Author of qmail -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
Przemek Klosowski wrote: I have mixed feelings for the typo correction/suggestions for arguments providing package names: I am glad they are case-insensitive because case conventions in package names are all over the place. On the other hand I am concerned about possible mistakes (I want to 'install foo' but mistype it as 'boo' and end up installing 'bugaboo'). Indeed, autocorrection should never be done without confirmation (and in non-interactive mode (dnf -y), it should probably just fail). It's just too likely to accidentally give the wrong answer. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
Hi, Thanks, I'll take a look. Jon On Tue, 9 Dec 2014 22:58 Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2014, at 04:58 PM, Jon Kent wrote: Hi, We use yum wrapped up in a python script that runs from a master server and uses ssh to log into server/servers and run the requested command I'd recommend Ansible, it comes with built in primitives for interacting with yum declaratively. There are other systems out there of course too. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
