Proprietary search engines (was: Fedora Notifications System.)

2010-08-29 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 14:13 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
 On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Manuel Escudero wrote:
  3) We're already using a GOOGLE SEARCH BOX!! in 
  http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ¿Do you have the code for this one?
  NO. And Fedora Project is using it. I'm sharing a Fedora Solution an 
  applied search engine for the community. and I can
  add as many collaborators as I want, I can share my code, I can Modify it, 
  it's more opensource that the one that we're already using...
 
 
 Just to make this clear on 3).  We grandfathered that in, meaning it is
 now against policy to do more of it but we didn't remove it because it
 had historical significance.  Though I believe we're in the works to
 replace the start page with something else.

Interesting.  I can understand not wanting to promote a proprietary
search engine on the Fedora start page, but if the idea is that Fedora
users and contributors should be able to avoid using them altogether, I
think that's currently pretty unrealistic.  People have questions all
the time, and being able to search the whole web for an answer at once
is great.  Without a web search, one has to do a separate search of each
data source (wiki, bug database, mailing lists) of each relevant
project, assuming those search features even exist and that it is
possible to identify all the relevant projects in advance (harder when
searching for work to reuse).

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Re: Proprietary search engines (was: Fedora Notifications System.)

2010-08-29 Thread Manuel Escudero
2010/8/29 Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net

 On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 14:13 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
  On Sun, 29 Aug 2010, Manuel Escudero wrote:
   3) We're already using a GOOGLE SEARCH BOX!! in
 http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ¿Do you have the code for this one?
   NO. And Fedora Project is using it. I'm sharing a Fedora Solution an
 applied search engine for the community. and I can
   add as many collaborators as I want, I can share my code, I can Modify
 it, it's more opensource that the one that we're already using...
  
 
  Just to make this clear on 3).  We grandfathered that in, meaning it is
  now against policy to do more of it but we didn't remove it because it
  had historical significance.  Though I believe we're in the works to
  replace the start page with something else.

 Interesting.  I can understand not wanting to promote a proprietary
 search engine on the Fedora start page, but if the idea is that Fedora
 users and contributors should be able to avoid using them altogether, I
 think that's currently pretty unrealistic.  People have questions all
 the time, and being able to search the whole web for an answer at once
 is great.  Without a web search, one has to do a separate search of each
 data source (wiki, bug database, mailing lists) of each relevant
 project, assuming those search features even exist and that it is
 possible to identify all the relevant projects in advance (harder when
 searching for work to reuse).

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AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN... With Fedora's engine I'm giving you the
chance of having something more opensource and also more specific and
useful for the fedora users who want to search things all around the web.

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