Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 09:19:46 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:15:09AM +0200, Germano Massullo wrote: Il 30/06/2015 10:13, Richard W.M. Jones ha scritto: Didn't even know it was happening. Where was it announced? Rich. On devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org and annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org I don't read those that often. I tend to think announcements ought to go to the devel@ list, which in practice is where I usually read them first (ie. replies to announcements). Rich. all emails to devel-announce@ go to devel@ but allows those that do not want to follow devel@ to have to follow but they can get important notices Dennis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On Seg, 2015-06-29 at 13:47 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 29/06/15 12:00, Josh Boyer wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Jan Kurik jku...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, all! The elections for FESCo - June 2015 have concluded, and the results are shown below. FESCo is electing 4 seats this time. A total of 90 ballots were cast, meaning a candidate could accumulate up to 540 votes (90 * 6). 90 ballots? I believe that is one of the all time low records on voter turnout. Probably not surprising given the silly way the election was announced... It certainly disenfranchised me. The problem you see is that the announcement was sent out on 20th June, but you couldn't actually vote then, because voting didn't open until the 22nd. So you couldn't just go and vote when you got the announcement but instead you had to remember to do so a few days later. Needless to say I forgot all about it until I saw, somewhat to my surprise, the result email this morning. +1 , Tom Hughes describe exactly what happens to me. Conclusion, subject of announcement should change from: Voting starts on Monday bla bla bla to : Vote now ! :) Thanks, -- Sérgio M. B. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
Il 30/06/2015 10:13, Richard W.M. Jones ha scritto: Didn't even know it was happening. Where was it announced? Rich. On devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org and annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 07:00:05AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Jan Kurik jku...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, all! The elections for FESCo - June 2015 have concluded, and the results are shown below. FESCo is electing 4 seats this time. A total of 90 ballots were cast, meaning a candidate could accumulate up to 540 votes (90 * 6). 90 ballots? I believe that is one of the all time low records on voter turnout. Didn't even know it was happening. Where was it announced? Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-p2v converts physical machines to virtual machines. Boot with a live CD or over the network (PXE) and turn machines into KVM guests. http://libguestfs.org/virt-v2v -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:15:09AM +0200, Germano Massullo wrote: Il 30/06/2015 10:13, Richard W.M. Jones ha scritto: Didn't even know it was happening. Where was it announced? Rich. On devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org and annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org I don't read those that often. I tend to think announcements ought to go to the devel@ list, which in practice is where I usually read them first (ie. replies to announcements). Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com libguestfs lets you edit virtual machines. Supports shell scripting, bindings from many languages. http://libguestfs.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
- Original Message - From: Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 10:19:46 AM Subject: Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:15:09AM +0200, Germano Massullo wrote: Il 30/06/2015 10:13, Richard W.M. Jones ha scritto: Didn't even know it was happening. Where was it announced? Rich. On devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org and annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org I don't read those that often. I tend to think announcements ought to go to the devel@ list, which in practice is where I usually read them first (ie. replies to announcements). It was announced on the devel@ list as well: * https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-June/211083.html * https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-June/211220.html * https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-June/211427.html * https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-June/211605.html Jan Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com libguestfs lets you edit virtual machines. Supports shell scripting, bindings from many languages. http://libguestfs.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- Jan Kuřík Platform Program Manager Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
* Richard W.M. Jones [30/06/2015 09:13] : Didn't even know it was happening. Where was it announced? The devel-announce mailing list, Fedora Magazine, the planet, ... Emmanuel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On 29/06/15 12:00, Josh Boyer wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Jan Kurik jku...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, all! The elections for FESCo - June 2015 have concluded, and the results are shown below. FESCo is electing 4 seats this time. A total of 90 ballots were cast, meaning a candidate could accumulate up to 540 votes (90 * 6). 90 ballots? I believe that is one of the all time low records on voter turnout. Probably not surprising given the silly way the election was announced... It certainly disenfranchised me. The problem you see is that the announcement was sent out on 20th June, but you couldn't actually vote then, because voting didn't open until the 22nd. So you couldn't just go and vote when you got the announcement but instead you had to remember to do so a few days later. Needless to say I forgot all about it until I saw, somewhat to my surprise, the result email this morning. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
Another possibility is that people didn't find any candidate to their taste. I suggest adding a None option too. Though it won't change results, it will give us metrics to measure that. Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
* Haïkel [29/06/2015 15:23] : Another possibility is that people didn't find any candidate to their taste. I suggest adding a None option too. The reverse is also true. If you are convinced that all the candidates that you would like to see seat on FESCo are going to be elected, the incentive to vote decreases considerably. Emmanuel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On 29 June 2015 at 07:42, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Alexander Ploumistos alex.ploumis...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Haïkel hgue...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Another possibility is that people didn't find any candidate to their taste. I suggest adding a None option too. Though it won't change results, it will give us metrics to measure that. I'd say that a vote of 0 next to each name, pretty much counts as none. Yes, but those results are not visible at all because of the method of voting we use. The suggestion of a None option would be a bit more clear in terms of conveying that voter's opinion. We could also change the voting method. The new elections code allows for multiple ways to vote. In the past the following things are usually done during elections: 1) Various blog posts by candidates and various people that an election is occurring. 2) Emails during the election period reminding people there is an election. If these things happened this time, I missed them completely. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Haïkel hgue...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Another possibility is that people didn't find any candidate to their taste. I suggest adding a None option too. Though it won't change results, it will give us metrics to measure that. I'd say that a vote of 0 next to each name, pretty much counts as none. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 13:47 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: Probably not surprising given the silly way the election was announced... It certainly disenfranchised me. The problem you see is that the announcement was sent out on 20th June, but you couldn't actually vote then, because voting didn't open until the 22nd. So you couldn't just go and vote when you got the announcement but instead you had to remember to do so a few days later. I would definitely prefer the announcement to take place once the balloting has actually opened. I had to put the elections on my to-do list; otherwise, I would have forgotten as well. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Alexander Ploumistos alex.ploumis...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Haïkel hgue...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Another possibility is that people didn't find any candidate to their taste. I suggest adding a None option too. Though it won't change results, it will give us metrics to measure that. I'd say that a vote of 0 next to each name, pretty much counts as none. Yes, but those results are not visible at all because of the method of voting we use. The suggestion of a None option would be a bit more clear in terms of conveying that voter's opinion. josh -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On 06/29/2015 07:47 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: Needless to say I forgot all about it until I saw, somewhat to my surprise, the result email this morning. The e-mail is typically sent on the day voting opens, which is when I vote. Since there was no such e-mail I did not [get a chance to] vote. An alternative would be a calendar alert. The official calendar[1] is too polluted with events to be useful. If it had single day events for Start and End instead of a range I would subscribe to it. [1] https://apps.fedoraproject.org//calendar/ical/Elections/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
Hi, On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Jan Kurik jku...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 1:00:05 PM Subject: Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Jan Kurik jku...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, all! The elections for FESCo - June 2015 have concluded, and the results are shown below. FESCo is electing 4 seats this time. A total of 90 ballots were cast, meaning a candidate could accumulate up to 540 votes (90 * 6). 90 ballots? I believe that is one of the all time low records on voter turnout. We already had a brief discussion with pingou this morning (UTC) on this topic. Pingou has created a nice post on this: http://blog.pingoured.fr/index.php?post/2015/06/29/FESCo-vote-history I am not sure what caused such a low number of voters. Here are some thoughts/areas what we can possibly be improved: * Better timing -- I do not think this is the case as I am not aware of any big event which possibly limited people to vote. * Prolongation of voting period -- For the last two Elections we had one week voting period only. In the past we typically had two weeks voting period. Possibly some people might were off-line for a whole week and had a limited chance to vote. However the previous Elections (also with the voting period of a one week) were the second in number of voters. * Better advertisement -- Any ideas how to attract people to vote ? -- Nominated people to present them self in their own way ... Any ideas are welcome. I think if possible we should avoid voting period when there is any big event is happening. Like we had FUDCon Pune happened last week so many people in APAC were busy for this event. Also we need more promotion on Fedora Planet or Fedora Magazine when voting opens then maybe 2 or 1 days remaining post for voting to end. I was busy last week so not sure if someone posted about FESCo voting period there. If we think voting period is less then we may want to extend it to total 10 days. Regards, Parag Nemade. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
- Original Message - On 29 June 2015 at 07:42, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Alexander Ploumistos alex.ploumis...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Haïkel hgue...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Another possibility is that people didn't find any candidate to their taste. I suggest adding a None option too. Though it won't change results, it will give us metrics to measure that. I'd say that a vote of 0 next to each name, pretty much counts as none. Yes, but those results are not visible at all because of the method of voting we use. The suggestion of a None option would be a bit more clear in terms of conveying that voter's opinion. We could also change the voting method. The new elections code allows for multiple ways to vote. In the past the following things are usually done during elections: 1) Various blog posts by candidates and various people that an election is occurring. 2) Emails during the election period reminding people there is an election. If these things happened this time, I missed them completely. One thing - I let Jan to run elections this time and I tried to help him as much as possible but I didn't want to interfere too much with elections as I was considering to run too (but in the end, I decided to skip this round as I'm moving to my new responsibilities within Red Hat and it would be just too much). You all know, how hard is to find volunteers and help them in the beginning and I think Jan did a good job for the his first time. I was following announcements, he even consulted some mails with me. I can see an issue with email sent ahead and not on the opening day. But otherwise I think elections were covered pretty well - we spammed Fedora Magazine with interviews and almost crashed it... There were several announcements going to the lists. To be honest, I'd expect much more from candidates. We always encouraged them to run campaign (from the time we switched from town halls to it)... Unfortunately there were conflicting events that kept people busy and miss it - Summit, FUDCon, in many places start of the season of summer vacations. One idea I have is to send a notice to *all* eligible voters based on FAS account directly that elections are open as it is one of the responsibilities of having FAS account to care about who represents you. I know, some people will complain they don't want such emails/spam but it might be better than less people being informed and missing elections. And again - eligible voters should vote, it's your project! (In the Czech Republic ballot papers are distributed to every single eligible voter, so it is precedence :). So I'd like to say big thanks to Jan for running elections and covering it pretty well for the first time even it wasn't perfect. It will be next time (or you know, every time someone finds something :). Jaroslav -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
- Original Message - From: Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 1:00:05 PM Subject: Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Jan Kurik jku...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, all! The elections for FESCo - June 2015 have concluded, and the results are shown below. FESCo is electing 4 seats this time. A total of 90 ballots were cast, meaning a candidate could accumulate up to 540 votes (90 * 6). 90 ballots? I believe that is one of the all time low records on voter turnout. We already had a brief discussion with pingou this morning (UTC) on this topic. Pingou has created a nice post on this: http://blog.pingoured.fr/index.php?post/2015/06/29/FESCo-vote-history I am not sure what caused such a low number of voters. Here are some thoughts/areas what we can possibly be improved: * Better timing -- I do not think this is the case as I am not aware of any big event which possibly limited people to vote. * Prolongation of voting period -- For the last two Elections we had one week voting period only. In the past we typically had two weeks voting period. Possibly some people might were off-line for a whole week and had a limited chance to vote. However the previous Elections (also with the voting period of a one week) were the second in number of voters. * Better advertisement -- Any ideas how to attract people to vote ? -- Nominated people to present them self in their own way ... Any ideas are welcome. Regards, Jan josh -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- Jan Kuřík -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Jan Kurik jku...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, all! The elections for FESCo - June 2015 have concluded, and the results are shown below. FESCo is electing 4 seats this time. A total of 90 ballots were cast, meaning a candidate could accumulate up to 540 votes (90 * 6). 90 ballots? I believe that is one of the all time low records on voter turnout. josh -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Haïkel hgue...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Another possibility is that people didn't find any candidate to their taste. I suggest adding a None option too. Though it won't change results, it will give us metrics to measure that. The data is already available with range voting. Anyone voting with low values for all nominees has so indicated. -- Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
2015-06-29 22:17 GMT+02:00 Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com: On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Haïkel hgue...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Another possibility is that people didn't find any candidate to their taste. I suggest adding a None option too. Though it won't change results, it will give us metrics to measure that. The data is already available with range voting. Anyone voting with low values for all nominees has so indicated. It doesn't appear clearly as such. What interest me are people who don't feel represented by current leadership and candidates as we need to try address that topic. -- Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 29/06/15 12:00, Josh Boyer wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Jan Kurik jku...@redhat.com wrote: Greetings, all! The elections for FESCo - June 2015 have concluded, and the results are shown below. FESCo is electing 4 seats this time. A total of 90 ballots were cast, meaning a candidate could accumulate up to 540 votes (90 * 6). 90 ballots? I believe that is one of the all time low records on voter turnout. Probably not surprising given the silly way the election was announced... It certainly disenfranchised me. The problem you see is that the announcement was sent out on 20th June, but you couldn't actually vote then, because voting didn't open until the 22nd. Yeah that was really dumb ... I can't even recall whether I voted or not ...I wanted to but after clicking on the link on the mail it told me not today ... -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 07:47:22 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: In the past the following things are usually done during elections: 1) Various blog posts by candidates and various people that an election is occurring. Interviews with all of the candidates were posted to feeds that showed up on Fedora Planet. 2) Emails during the election period reminding people there is an election. I don't remember seeing as much email on the elections as in the past. In the past announcements relating to the town hall meetings may have also helped make elections more visible. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
