Re: In A World Where...TCs don't exist?

[Kashyap Chamarthy]

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 09:11:49PM +0100, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> Already added to our next grooming meeting.

Nice.  Without realizing this discussion already happened here, I asked
Dennis the same question as Rich, about the status of the its
(virt-builder's) metadata distribution as part of Fedora composes,
earlier this afternoon during his Rel Eng talk at DevConf in Brno.

Thanks for the talk, Dennis!

> On January 29, 2016 7:56:05 PM GMT+01:00, Matthew Miller 
>  wrote:
> >On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:07:14AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> >> > > >   https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5805
> >[...]
> >> We have none of that info and its not yet on our radar.
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/PriorityPipeline is
> >> the list of things we have coming up. I think there are some not
> >> documented as well as they should be.
> >
> >I think this request just kind of fell through and didn't get included
> >in the new prioritization process. Let's get it added in as something
> >for _sometime_ in the future, even if it doesn't bump current
> >priorities.

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Re: In A World Where...TCs don't exist?

[Dennis Gilmore]

Already added to our next grooming meeting.

On January 29, 2016 7:56:05 PM GMT+01:00, Matthew Miller 
 wrote:
>On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:07:14AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>> > > >   https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5805
>[...]
>> We have none of that info and its not yet on our radar.
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/PriorityPipeline is
>> the list of things we have coming up. I think there are some not
>> documented as well as they should be.
>
>I think this request just kind of fell through and didn't get included
>in the new prioritization process. Let's get it added in as something
>for _sometime_ in the future, even if it doesn't bump current
>priorities.
>
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Re: In A World Where...TCs don't exist?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 04:33:19AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Hi, folks! I thought this might be about the appropriate time to throw
> this out there.
> 
> There hasn't been a big news press on this, but some of you may know
> that releng is fairly close to switching over to Pungi 4 for composes.
> For those of you who don't know:
> 
> releng is fairly close to switching over to Pungi 4 for composes.
[...]

Any chance you can publish metadata for these releases?  ie. this 2
year old request:

  https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5805

We're in the awkward situation now where OpenSUSE and Ubuntu publish
machine-readable metadata, but Fedora does not (or if it now does,
please point me to it so we can start using it).

Many people would test the cloud images and test their software on
cloud images if they could do:

  $ virt-builder fedora-rawhide
  $ virt-builder fedora-nightly-MMDD

or whatever to get them.

Rich.

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Re: In A World Where...TCs don't exist?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 03:03:33PM +0100, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
> On Fri 29 Jan 2016 02:51:31 PM CET Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 04:33:19AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> Hi, folks! I thought this might be about the appropriate time to throw
> >> this out there.
> >>
> >> There hasn't been a big news press on this, but some of you may know
> >> that releng is fairly close to switching over to Pungi 4 for composes.
> >> For those of you who don't know:
> >>
> >> releng is fairly close to switching over to Pungi 4 for composes.
> > [...]
> >
> > Any chance you can publish metadata for these releases?  ie. this 2
> > year old request:
> >
> >   https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5805
> >
> > We're in the awkward situation now where OpenSUSE and Ubuntu publish
> > machine-readable metadata, but Fedora does not (or if it now does,
> > please point me to it so we can start using it).
> >
> > Many people would test the cloud images and test their software on
> > cloud images if they could do:
> >
> >   $ virt-builder fedora-rawhide
> >   $ virt-builder fedora-nightly-MMDD
> >
> > or whatever to get them.
> 
> I think you might be looking for something like this?
> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/rawhide/latest-Fedora-/compose/metadata/
> 
> See the files in the directory for details, be aware the rpm one is huge
> though :-)

Possibly.

Really we're looking for cloud images though (ie. *.qcow2), not
install ISOs or trees.  I thought Pungi did both?

There are a few missing fields we require too:

 - size of the disk image (especially when the image xz-compressed, we
   need the uncompressed size in order to plan how to resize it)

 - format of the disk image

 - name of the root filesystem (so we can resize the image intelligently)

 - cryptographically-secure checksum of the image

 - libosinfo database key (so we know what emulated devices to present)

And the metadata should be GPG signed.

I've got an example here:

  http://libguestfs.org/download/builder/index.asc

I'm not hung up on the specific format -- for Ubuntu they use a thing
called "SimpleStreams" which we implemented support for -- but it
needs to contain the same or a subset of that metadata.

Rich.

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Re: In A World Where...TCs don't exist?

[Stanislav Ochotnicky]

On Fri 29 Jan 2016 02:51:31 PM CET Richard W.M. Jones wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 04:33:19AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> Hi, folks! I thought this might be about the appropriate time to throw
>> this out there.
>>
>> There hasn't been a big news press on this, but some of you may know
>> that releng is fairly close to switching over to Pungi 4 for composes.
>> For those of you who don't know:
>>
>> releng is fairly close to switching over to Pungi 4 for composes.
> [...]
>
> Any chance you can publish metadata for these releases?  ie. this 2
> year old request:
>
>   https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5805
>
> We're in the awkward situation now where OpenSUSE and Ubuntu publish
> machine-readable metadata, but Fedora does not (or if it now does,
> please point me to it so we can start using it).
>
> Many people would test the cloud images and test their software on
> cloud images if they could do:
>
>   $ virt-builder fedora-rawhide
>   $ virt-builder fedora-nightly-MMDD
>
> or whatever to get them.

I think you might be looking for something like this?
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/rawhide/latest-Fedora-/compose/metadata/

See the files in the directory for details, be aware the rpm one is huge
though :-)

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Re: In A World Where...TCs don't exist?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 02:25:49PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> needs to contain the same or a subset of that metadata.

Ummm 'superset' even.

Rich.

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Re: In A World Where...TCs don't exist?

[Dennis Gilmore]

On Friday, January 29, 2016 02:25:49 PM Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 03:03:33PM +0100, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
> > On Fri 29 Jan 2016 02:51:31 PM CET Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 04:33:19AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > >> Hi, folks! I thought this might be about the appropriate time to throw
> > >> this out there.
> > >> 
> > >> There hasn't been a big news press on this, but some of you may know
> > >> that releng is fairly close to switching over to Pungi 4 for composes.
> > >> For those of you who don't know:
> > >> 
> > >> releng is fairly close to switching over to Pungi 4 for composes.
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > Any chance you can publish metadata for these releases?  ie. this 2
> > > 
> > > year old request:
> > >   https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5805
> > > 
> > > We're in the awkward situation now where OpenSUSE and Ubuntu publish
> > > machine-readable metadata, but Fedora does not (or if it now does,
> > > please point me to it so we can start using it).
> > > 
> > > Many people would test the cloud images and test their software on
> > > 
> > > cloud images if they could do:
> > >   $ virt-builder fedora-rawhide
> > >   $ virt-builder fedora-nightly-MMDD
> > > 
> > > or whatever to get them.
> > 
> > I think you might be looking for something like this?
> > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/rawhide/latest-Fedora-/compose/
> > metadata/
> > 
> > See the files in the directory for details, be aware the rpm one is huge
> > though :-)
> 
> Possibly.
> 
> Really we're looking for cloud images though (ie. *.qcow2), not
> install ISOs or trees.  I thought Pungi did both?
> 
> There are a few missing fields we require too:
> 
>  - size of the disk image (especially when the image xz-compressed, we
>need the uncompressed size in order to plan how to resize it)
> 
>  - format of the disk image
> 
>  - name of the root filesystem (so we can resize the image intelligently)
> 
>  - cryptographically-secure checksum of the image
> 
>  - libosinfo database key (so we know what emulated devices to present)
> 
> And the metadata should be GPG signed.
> 
> I've got an example here:
> 
>   http://libguestfs.org/download/builder/index.asc
> 
> I'm not hung up on the specific format -- for Ubuntu they use a thing
> called "SimpleStreams" which we implemented support for -- but it
> needs to contain the same or a subset of that metadata.
> 
> Rich.
We have none of that info and its not yet on our radar. 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/PriorityPipeline is the list 
of things we have coming up. I think there are some not documented as well as 
they should be.

Dennis

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Re: In A World Where...TCs don't exist?

[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:07:14AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> > > >   https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5805
[...]
> We have none of that info and its not yet on our radar.
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/PriorityPipeline is
> the list of things we have coming up. I think there are some not
> documented as well as they should be.

I think this request just kind of fell through and didn't get included
in the new prioritization process. Let's get it added in as something
for _sometime_ in the future, even if it doesn't bump current
priorities.

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