Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message -
 Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
 meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
 
 To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
 
 or run:
   date -d '2013-11-06 18:00 UTC'
 
 
 Links to all tickets below can be found at:
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9
 
 = Followups =
 
 #topic #1185 Enable -Werror=format-security by default
 .fesco 1185
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1185
 
 = New business =
 
 #topic #1192 OpenH264 as an automatic download by firefox/Statement to the
 ietf WebRTC working group
 .fesco 1192
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1192
 
 #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
 .fesco 1193
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
 
 #topic #1188 Stalled bug 560361 -- requesting intervention
 .fesco 1188
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1188
 
 .bug 560361
 Dhclient doesn't use client-identifier; may cause issues in certain bridged
 environments
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560361
 
 
 #topic #1189 Stalled bug 758826 -- requesting intervention
 .fesco 1189
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1189
 
 .bug 758826
 system-config-firewall should include 'submission' in list of known ports
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=758826
 
 
 #topic #1194 Ratify Server Working Group governance charter
 .fesco 1194
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1194

Please, add also 

#topic #1191 Fedora 20 schedule adjustment
.fesco 1191
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1191

Thanks
Jaroslav

 = Open Floor =
 
 For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket.  The
 report of the agenda items can be found at
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9
 
 If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
 this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
 e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
 the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until
 the following meeting.
 
 -Toshio
 
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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
 #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
 .fesco 1193
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193

Didn't this terrible idea die already?  Please don't do this.

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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:38:18AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
 
 Please, add also 
 
 #topic #1191 Fedora 20 schedule adjustment
 .fesco 1191
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1191
 
Added.

I scheduled this in right after the OpenH264 ticket because it also needs to
be decided on in a timely fashion.

-Toshio


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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:05:22PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
  #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
  .fesco 1193
  https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
 
 Didn't this terrible idea die already?

Do you have a link to the discussion/decision for this?

I've been looking around for the prior discussion and thus far I've found:
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/869
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_release_announcement?stF18#For_systems_administrators

(Base feature approved for F18.)

-Toshio


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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread drago01
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
 #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
 .fesco 1193
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193

 Didn't this terrible idea die already?  Please don't do this.

You somehow pressed send before finishing the part where you explain
why it is terrible.
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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 06.11.2013 16:43, schrieb drago01:
 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
 #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
 .fesco 1193
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193

 Didn't this terrible idea die already?  Please don't do this.
 
 You somehow pressed send before finishing the part where you explain
 why it is terrible

this was explained thousand times on this list the last few months



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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread drago01
On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Reindl Harald wrote:



 Am 06.11.2013 16:43, schrieb drago01:
  On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones 
  rjo...@redhat.comjavascript:;
 wrote:
  On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
  #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
  .fesco 1193
  https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
 
  Didn't this terrible idea die already?  Please don't do this.
 
  You somehow pressed send before finishing the part where you explain
  why it is terrible

 this was explained thousand times on this list the last few months


[citation needed]
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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:16:23AM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:05:22PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
  On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
   #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
   .fesco 1193
   https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
  
  Didn't this terrible idea die already?
 
 Do you have a link to the discussion/decision for this?
 
 I've been looking around for the prior discussion and thus far I've found:
 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/869
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_release_announcement?stF18#For_systems_administrators
 
 (Base feature approved for F18.)

Previous discussion:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-June/thread.html#168689

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-February/thread.html#178112

Rich.

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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 04:43:18PM +0100, drago01 wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
  On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
  #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
  .fesco 1193
  https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
 
  Didn't this terrible idea die already?  Please don't do this.
 
 You somehow pressed send before finishing the part where you explain
 why it is terrible.

I did it already in this thread a year ago:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-June/thread.html#168689

Rich.

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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.11.2013 16:50, schrieb drago01:
 On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Reindl Harald wrote:
 
 Am 06.11.2013 16:43, schrieb drago01:
  On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com 
 javascript:; wrote:
  On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
  #topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
  .fesco 1193
  https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
 
  Didn't this terrible idea die already?  Please don't do this.
 
  You somehow pressed send before finishing the part where you explain
  why it is terrible
 
 this was explained thousand times on this list the last few months
 
 [citation needed] 

why?

you are not new on this list, so grab your archive and
stop delete any mail instantly after read it, this was
discussed the last few days

look at the thread gnome software shell search provider



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Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-06 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 03:52:11PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:16:23AM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
  On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:05:22PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
   On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:19:12PM -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
#topic #1193 reboots for all updates -- are we ready for this?
.fesco 1193
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1193
   
   Didn't this terrible idea die already?
  
  Do you have a link to the discussion/decision for this?
  
  I've been looking around for the prior discussion and thus far I've found:
  https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/869
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_release_announcement?stF18#For_systems_administrators
  
  (Base feature approved for F18.)
 
 Previous discussion:
 
 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-June/thread.html#168689
 
 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-February/thread.html#178112
 
Thanks.

Those seem to be discussion of the cons and pros, though, rather than
a decision.  So the discussion is relevant in that one of the important
compromise points was that previously it only applied to a subset of
updates but nothing says that the idea was dead as in rejected for
Fedora, correct?

In other words, I just want to make sure status quo before AppInstaller is
that Offline Updates are live on Fedora's Gnome Desktop but only for OS
Components?

-Toshio


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