Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2024-06-17)
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 1:51 PM Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 8:25 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 03:20:07PM +0300, Otto Liljalaakso wrote: > > > Stephen Gallagher kirjoitti 17.6.2024 klo 23.07: > > > > = > > > > # #meeting:fedoraproject.org: fesco > > > > = > > > > > > > > Meeting started by @sgallagh:fedora.im at 2024-06-17 19:00:05 > > > > > > > > Meeting summary > > > > --- > > > > * TOPIC: Init Process (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:00:31) > > > > * TOPIC: #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile > > > > Management Daemon (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:12:35) > > > > * TOPIC: Next week's chair (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:50:59) > > > > * ACTION: zbyszek to chair the next meeting (@sgallagh:fedora.im, > > > > 19:53:23) > > > > * TOPIC: Open Floor (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:53:30) > > > > * ACTION: @sgallagh to submit a Change to migrate Fedora ELN away > > > > from ODCS (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 20:04:29) > > > > > > > > Meeting ended at 2024-06-17 20:06:17 > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 8:21 AM Stephen Gallagher > > > > wrote: > > > > > = New business = > > > > > > > > > > #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile Management Daemon > > > > > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3222 > > > > > > This creates the impression that you did not decide anything regarding > > > #3222. Checking from logs, I see that that is not the case: > > > > > > > #agreed FESCo approves the Change to use tuned as the default > > > power-management tool for desktop installs. P-P-D remains in the > > > distribution as an alternative that can be manually installed. (+7, 0, -1) > > > > > > Is the meetbot somehow broken, or was that just wrong syntax or something? > > We forgot to say '!agreed …'. That's my fault. I've been on FESCo for too many years and my fingers instinctually still type the old IRC syntax instead of the new Matrix syntax. > I would love for someone to tweak zodbot to use generative AI to > actually make it useful. It served us well for a very long time, but > the published summaries aren't useful for those just wanting to follow > along and the need to remember what was agreed on with implicit > commands is cumbersome. It wouldn't be that hard to just pipe the > logs through an LLM to produce a much better summary and auto-generate > the agreements and decisions. A human would need to review before > sending it out, but I think end consumers would benefit much more. > > josh > -- > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2024-06-17)
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 1:13 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 12:30:23PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 8:25 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 03:20:07PM +0300, Otto Liljalaakso wrote: > > > > Stephen Gallagher kirjoitti 17.6.2024 klo 23.07: > > > > > = > > > > > # #meeting:fedoraproject.org: fesco > > > > > = > > > > > > > > > > Meeting started by @sgallagh:fedora.im at 2024-06-17 19:00:05 > > > > > > > > > > Meeting summary > > > > > --- > > > > > * TOPIC: Init Process (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:00:31) > > > > > * TOPIC: #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile > > > > > Management Daemon (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:12:35) > > > > > * TOPIC: Next week's chair (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:50:59) > > > > > * ACTION: zbyszek to chair the next meeting > > > > > (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:53:23) > > > > > * TOPIC: Open Floor (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:53:30) > > > > > * ACTION: @sgallagh to submit a Change to migrate Fedora ELN away > > > > > from ODCS (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 20:04:29) > > > > > > > > > > Meeting ended at 2024-06-17 20:06:17 > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 8:21 AM Stephen Gallagher > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > = New business = > > > > > > > > > > > > #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile Management Daemon > > > > > > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3222 > > > > > > > > This creates the impression that you did not decide anything regarding > > > > #3222. Checking from logs, I see that that is not the case: > > > > > > > > > #agreed FESCo approves the Change to use tuned as the default > > > > power-management tool for desktop installs. P-P-D remains in the > > > > distribution as an alternative that can be manually installed. (+7, 0, > > > > -1) > > > > > > > > Is the meetbot somehow broken, or was that just wrong syntax or > > > > something? > > > We forgot to say '!agreed …'. > > > > I would love for someone to tweak zodbot to use generative AI to > > actually make it useful. It served us well for a very long time, but > > the published summaries aren't useful for those just wanting to follow > > along and the need to remember what was agreed on with implicit > > commands is cumbersome. It wouldn't be that hard to just pipe the > > logs through an LLM to produce a much better summary and auto-generate > > the agreements and decisions. A human would need to review before > > sending it out, but I think end consumers would benefit much more. > > I think this is one of the rare occasions where we forgot to invoke > the right commands. We almost always remember to do that. Sometimes > it's useful to edit the summary a bit, I usually do that before sending > it out. Yes, I understand it was a rare instance of forgetting the command but the underlying point of my suggestion was that the summaries are not really useful even when you remember to use the commands. If you're in the meeting and remember the discussion, they might seem like they capture things well but for those that are not they don't really provide a lot of value. The difference between the sent summary from the tool and the full logs is huge, so a better summary would improve the experience. Using a tool to provide a better summary with more context seems like a good win. josh -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2024-06-17)
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 12:30:23PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 8:25 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 03:20:07PM +0300, Otto Liljalaakso wrote: > > > Stephen Gallagher kirjoitti 17.6.2024 klo 23.07: > > > > = > > > > # #meeting:fedoraproject.org: fesco > > > > = > > > > > > > > Meeting started by @sgallagh:fedora.im at 2024-06-17 19:00:05 > > > > > > > > Meeting summary > > > > --- > > > > * TOPIC: Init Process (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:00:31) > > > > * TOPIC: #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile > > > > Management Daemon (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:12:35) > > > > * TOPIC: Next week's chair (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:50:59) > > > > * ACTION: zbyszek to chair the next meeting (@sgallagh:fedora.im, > > > > 19:53:23) > > > > * TOPIC: Open Floor (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:53:30) > > > > * ACTION: @sgallagh to submit a Change to migrate Fedora ELN away > > > > from ODCS (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 20:04:29) > > > > > > > > Meeting ended at 2024-06-17 20:06:17 > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 8:21 AM Stephen Gallagher > > > > wrote: > > > > > = New business = > > > > > > > > > > #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile Management Daemon > > > > > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3222 > > > > > > This creates the impression that you did not decide anything regarding > > > #3222. Checking from logs, I see that that is not the case: > > > > > > > #agreed FESCo approves the Change to use tuned as the default > > > power-management tool for desktop installs. P-P-D remains in the > > > distribution as an alternative that can be manually installed. (+7, 0, -1) > > > > > > Is the meetbot somehow broken, or was that just wrong syntax or something? > > We forgot to say '!agreed …'. > > I would love for someone to tweak zodbot to use generative AI to > actually make it useful. It served us well for a very long time, but > the published summaries aren't useful for those just wanting to follow > along and the need to remember what was agreed on with implicit > commands is cumbersome. It wouldn't be that hard to just pipe the > logs through an LLM to produce a much better summary and auto-generate > the agreements and decisions. A human would need to review before > sending it out, but I think end consumers would benefit much more. I think this is one of the rare occasions where we forgot to invoke the right commands. We almost always remember to do that. Sometimes it's useful to edit the summary a bit, I usually do that before sending it out. Zbyszek -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2024-06-17)
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 8:25 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 03:20:07PM +0300, Otto Liljalaakso wrote: > > Stephen Gallagher kirjoitti 17.6.2024 klo 23.07: > > > = > > > # #meeting:fedoraproject.org: fesco > > > = > > > > > > Meeting started by @sgallagh:fedora.im at 2024-06-17 19:00:05 > > > > > > Meeting summary > > > --- > > > * TOPIC: Init Process (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:00:31) > > > * TOPIC: #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile > > > Management Daemon (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:12:35) > > > * TOPIC: Next week's chair (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:50:59) > > > * ACTION: zbyszek to chair the next meeting (@sgallagh:fedora.im, > > > 19:53:23) > > > * TOPIC: Open Floor (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:53:30) > > > * ACTION: @sgallagh to submit a Change to migrate Fedora ELN away > > > from ODCS (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 20:04:29) > > > > > > Meeting ended at 2024-06-17 20:06:17 > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 8:21 AM Stephen Gallagher > > > wrote: > > > > = New business = > > > > > > > > #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile Management Daemon > > > > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3222 > > > > This creates the impression that you did not decide anything regarding > > #3222. Checking from logs, I see that that is not the case: > > > > > #agreed FESCo approves the Change to use tuned as the default > > power-management tool for desktop installs. P-P-D remains in the > > distribution as an alternative that can be manually installed. (+7, 0, -1) > > > > Is the meetbot somehow broken, or was that just wrong syntax or something? > We forgot to say '!agreed …'. I would love for someone to tweak zodbot to use generative AI to actually make it useful. It served us well for a very long time, but the published summaries aren't useful for those just wanting to follow along and the need to remember what was agreed on with implicit commands is cumbersome. It wouldn't be that hard to just pipe the logs through an LLM to produce a much better summary and auto-generate the agreements and decisions. A human would need to review before sending it out, but I think end consumers would benefit much more. josh -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2024-06-17)
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 03:20:07PM +0300, Otto Liljalaakso wrote: > Stephen Gallagher kirjoitti 17.6.2024 klo 23.07: > > = > > # #meeting:fedoraproject.org: fesco > > = > > > > Meeting started by @sgallagh:fedora.im at 2024-06-17 19:00:05 > > > > Meeting summary > > --- > > * TOPIC: Init Process (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:00:31) > > * TOPIC: #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile > > Management Daemon (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:12:35) > > * TOPIC: Next week's chair (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:50:59) > > * ACTION: zbyszek to chair the next meeting (@sgallagh:fedora.im, > > 19:53:23) > > * TOPIC: Open Floor (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:53:30) > > * ACTION: @sgallagh to submit a Change to migrate Fedora ELN away > > from ODCS (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 20:04:29) > > > > Meeting ended at 2024-06-17 20:06:17 > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 8:21 AM Stephen Gallagher > > wrote: > > > = New business = > > > > > > #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile Management Daemon > > > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3222 > > This creates the impression that you did not decide anything regarding > #3222. Checking from logs, I see that that is not the case: > > > #agreed FESCo approves the Change to use tuned as the default > power-management tool for desktop installs. P-P-D remains in the > distribution as an alternative that can be manually installed. (+7, 0, -1) > > Is the meetbot somehow broken, or was that just wrong syntax or something? We forgot to say '!agreed …'. Zbyszek -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2024-06-17)
Stephen Gallagher kirjoitti 17.6.2024 klo 23.07: = # #meeting:fedoraproject.org: fesco = Meeting started by @sgallagh:fedora.im at 2024-06-17 19:00:05 Meeting summary --- * TOPIC: Init Process (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:00:31) * TOPIC: #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile Management Daemon (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:12:35) * TOPIC: Next week's chair (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:50:59) * ACTION: zbyszek to chair the next meeting (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:53:23) * TOPIC: Open Floor (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:53:30) * ACTION: @sgallagh to submit a Change to migrate Fedora ELN away from ODCS (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 20:04:29) Meeting ended at 2024-06-17 20:06:17 On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 8:21 AM Stephen Gallagher wrote: = New business = #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile Management Daemon https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3222 This creates the impression that you did not decide anything regarding #3222. Checking from logs, I see that that is not the case: > #agreed FESCo approves the Change to use tuned as the default power-management tool for desktop installs. P-P-D remains in the distribution as an alternative that can be manually installed. (+7, 0, -1) Is the meetbot somehow broken, or was that just wrong syntax or something? -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2024-06-17)
= # #meeting:fedoraproject.org: fesco = Meeting started by @sgallagh:fedora.im at 2024-06-17 19:00:05 Meeting summary --- * TOPIC: Init Process (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:00:31) * TOPIC: #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile Management Daemon (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:12:35) * TOPIC: Next week's chair (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:50:59) * ACTION: zbyszek to chair the next meeting (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:53:23) * TOPIC: Open Floor (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 19:53:30) * ACTION: @sgallagh to submit a Change to migrate Fedora ELN away from ODCS (@sgallagh:fedora.im, 20:04:29) Meeting ended at 2024-06-17 20:06:17 Action items * zbyszek to chair the next meeting * @sgallagh to submit a Change to migrate Fedora ELN away from ODCS People Present (lines said) --- * @sgallagh:fedora.im (76) * @conan_kudo:matrix.org (71) * @zbyszek:fedora.im (38) * @nirik:matrix.scrye.com (25) * @salimma:fedora.im (24) * @zodbot:fedora.im (12) * @decathorpe:fedora.im (11) * @humaton:fedora.im (4) * @meetbot:fedora.im (3) * @blackwell:fedora.im (1) * @jsteffan:fedora.im (1) Full meeting notes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meeting_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-06-17/fesco.2024-06-17-19.00.log.html On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 8:21 AM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the > FESCo meeting Monday at 19:00 UTC in #meeting:fedoraproject.org > on Matrix. > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto > > or run: > date -d '2024-06-17 19:00 UTC' > > Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at: > https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda > > = Discussed and Voted in the Ticket = > > Change: Multiple Versioned CRI-O and CRI-Tools Packages > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3218 > APPROVED (+6, 0, 0) > > Change: IBus Chewing for Traditional Chinese (Taiwan) Desktop by Default > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3217 > APPROVED (+6, 0, 0) > > Change: DNF and bootc in Image Mode Fedora variants > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3216 > APPROVED (+5, 0, 0) > > > = Followups = > > > = New business = > > #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile Management Daemon > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3222 > > = Open Floor = > > For more complete details, please visit each individual > issue. The report of the agenda items can be found at > https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda > > If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can > reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at > https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it > up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note > that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting. -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2024-06-17)
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Monday at 19:00 UTC in #meeting:fedoraproject.org on Matrix. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2024-06-17 19:00 UTC' Links to all issues to be discussed can be found at: https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda = Discussed and Voted in the Ticket = Change: Multiple Versioned CRI-O and CRI-Tools Packages https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3218 APPROVED (+6, 0, 0) Change: IBus Chewing for Traditional Chinese (Taiwan) Desktop by Default https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3217 APPROVED (+6, 0, 0) Change: DNF and bootc in Image Mode Fedora variants https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3216 APPROVED (+5, 0, 0) = Followups = = New business = #3222 Change: Make Tuned the Default Power Profile Management Daemon https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3222 = Open Floor = For more complete details, please visit each individual issue. The report of the agenda items can be found at https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new issue at https://pagure.io/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting. -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
