Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-12 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon 
On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 10:56:55PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Chris Adams wrote:
> > I read email in mutt, a terminal-based mail client.  I have it
> > configured so I can open up URLs in lynx easily.  Recently though, I
> > can't open the agenda or logs from meetings in lynx.  I don't know when
> > this happened (I don't try to pull them up all the time, just when I see
> > something that interests me).
> 
> It happened when they switched to that JavaScript-infected møte mess rather 
> than just using plain static HTML that worked just fine.
> 
> The whole log is retrieved through JavaScript for some stupid reason I 
> cannot fathom. This cannot possibly work in a non-JavaScript browser like 
> lynx.

I wonder how you would react if someone was to speak of your work like this.

So please, watch your tone and keep the discussion constructive (which you did
later in the email). If you have constructive criticisms they are welcome, if
you just want to insult people or their work, you can do it behind closed door
where it won't bother anyone.


Thank you,

Pierre
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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-11 Thread Kevin Kofler 
Chris Adams wrote:
> I read email in mutt, a terminal-based mail client.  I have it
> configured so I can open up URLs in lynx easily.  Recently though, I
> can't open the agenda or logs from meetings in lynx.  I don't know when
> this happened (I don't try to pull them up all the time, just when I see
> something that interests me).

It happened when they switched to that JavaScript-infected møte mess rather 
than just using plain static HTML that worked just fine.

The whole log is retrieved through JavaScript for some stupid reason I 
cannot fathom. This cannot possibly work in a non-JavaScript browser like 
lynx.

(By the way, the møte JavaScript also does not work in KHTML.)

> Any chance this could be addressed?

s/meetbot/meetbot-raw/ in the links you see and you get the static HTML. (As 
has been pointed out by others, there's also a plain-text version on 
meetbot-raw, but the HTML version is also still available.)

Kevin Kofler
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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi 
On Fri, 9 Dec 2016 13:19:13 -0600
Chris Adams  wrote:

> Once upon a time, Josh Boyer  said:
> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Chris Adams 
> > wrote:  
> > > Once upon a time, Adam Miller 
> > > said:  
> > >> Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are
> > >> available at
> > >> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html
> > >>   
> > >
> > > So, this is a minor request...
> > >
> > > I read email in mutt, a terminal-based mail client.  I have it
> > > configured so I can open up URLs in lynx easily.  Recently
> > > though, I can't open the agenda or logs from meetings in lynx.  I
> > > don't know when this happened (I don't try to pull them up all
> > > the time, just when I see something that interests me).
> > >
> > > Any chance this could be addressed?  
> > 
> > Um... that sounds like a bug in mutt and/or lynx?  The URLs that are
> > included are just standard URLs so there's nothing to fix from that
> > aspect.  
> 
> It's the content at the URLs, not the URL itself (sorry if I didn't
> make it clear).  The agenda URL apparently wants me to authenticate
> with OpenID, and the log URL just names the log (content in an IFRAME
> or something maybe?).
> 
> These are the URLs I am testing:
> 
> https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html
> 
> I know web devs love to use HTML5, CSS, and scripting to do all kinds
> of fancy stuff, but a simple list of tickets and a plain text log dump
> shouldn't require anything special.

You likely want: 

https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.txt

for the second of those. It might be good if this was listed when you
go to the other url and don't have "all the scripting" things
available. 

Would you be able to file that request upstream?
( https://github.com/fedora-infra/mote/issues )

kevin


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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon 
On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 01:19:13PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Josh Boyer  said:
> > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Chris Adams  wrote:
> > > Once upon a time, Adam Miller  said:
> > >> Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are
> > >> available at
> > >> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html
> > >
> > > So, this is a minor request...
> > >
> > > I read email in mutt, a terminal-based mail client.  I have it
> > > configured so I can open up URLs in lynx easily.  Recently though, I
> > > can't open the agenda or logs from meetings in lynx.  I don't know when
> > > this happened (I don't try to pull them up all the time, just when I see
> > > something that interests me).
> > >
> > > Any chance this could be addressed?
> > 
> > Um... that sounds like a bug in mutt and/or lynx?  The URLs that are
> > included are just standard URLs so there's nothing to fix from that
> > aspect.
> 
> It's the content at the URLs, not the URL itself (sorry if I didn't make
> it clear).  The agenda URL apparently wants me to authenticate with
> OpenID, and the log URL just names the log (content in an IFRAME or
> something maybe?).
> 
> These are the URLs I am testing:
> 
> https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

It's a one-liner but indeed, oddly enough it is asking for auth while I can't
think of a good reason it should.

Going to fix this, thanks :)


Pierre
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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Chris Adams 
Once upon a time, Josh Boyer  said:
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Chris Adams  wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Adam Miller  said:
> >> Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are
> >> available at
> >> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html
> >
> > So, this is a minor request...
> >
> > I read email in mutt, a terminal-based mail client.  I have it
> > configured so I can open up URLs in lynx easily.  Recently though, I
> > can't open the agenda or logs from meetings in lynx.  I don't know when
> > this happened (I don't try to pull them up all the time, just when I see
> > something that interests me).
> >
> > Any chance this could be addressed?
> 
> Um... that sounds like a bug in mutt and/or lynx?  The URLs that are
> included are just standard URLs so there's nothing to fix from that
> aspect.

It's the content at the URLs, not the URL itself (sorry if I didn't make
it clear).  The agenda URL apparently wants me to authenticate with
OpenID, and the log URL just names the log (content in an IFRAME or
something maybe?).

These are the URLs I am testing:

https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html

I know web devs love to use HTML5, CSS, and scripting to do all kinds of
fancy stuff, but a simple list of tickets and a plain text log dump
shouldn't require anything special.
-- 
Chris Adams 
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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen 
On 9 December 2016 at 12:35, Josh Boyer  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Chris Adams  wrote:
>> Once upon a time, Adam Miller  said:
>>> Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are
>>> available at
>>> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html
>>
>> So, this is a minor request...
>>
>> I read email in mutt, a terminal-based mail client.  I have it
>> configured so I can open up URLs in lynx easily.  Recently though, I
>> can't open the agenda or logs from meetings in lynx.  I don't know when
>> this happened (I don't try to pull them up all the time, just when I see
>> something that interests me).
>>
>> Any chance this could be addressed?
>
> Um... that sounds like a bug in mutt and/or lynx?  The URLs that are
> included are just standard URLs so there's nothing to fix from that
> aspect.


The problems seems to be that the new meetbot m0te does not render  a
page in lynx.

Going to the link just says:

fedora-meeting channel meeting logs - 2016-12-09

   fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html

The same in elinks. It looks like we are relying on some HTML/CSS
magic which makes text browsers useless. Probably effects text2voice
readers for blind readers also.

> josh
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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Josh Boyer 
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Chris Adams  wrote:
> Once upon a time, Adam Miller  said:
>> Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are
>> available at
>> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html
>
> So, this is a minor request...
>
> I read email in mutt, a terminal-based mail client.  I have it
> configured so I can open up URLs in lynx easily.  Recently though, I
> can't open the agenda or logs from meetings in lynx.  I don't know when
> this happened (I don't try to pull them up all the time, just when I see
> something that interests me).
>
> Any chance this could be addressed?

Um... that sounds like a bug in mutt and/or lynx?  The URLs that are
included are just standard URLs so there's nothing to fix from that
aspect.

josh
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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Chris Adams 
Once upon a time, Adam Miller  said:
> Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are
> available at
> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html

So, this is a minor request...

I read email in mutt, a terminal-based mail client.  I have it
configured so I can open up URLs in lynx easily.  Recently though, I
can't open the agenda or logs from meetings in lynx.  I don't know when
this happened (I don't try to pull them up all the time, just when I see
something that interests me).

Any chance this could be addressed?
-- 
Chris Adams 
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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Adam Miller 
===
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2016-12-09)
===


Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are
available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---
* init process  (maxamillion, 16:00:40)

* #1635 F26 Self Contained Changes (Java Security Policy)  (maxamillion,
  16:10:07)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1635#comment-43494
(maxamillion, 16:10:07)
  * AGREED: Approve F26 Self Contained Change Java Security Policy (+1:
5, -1: 0, +0: 0)  (maxamillion, 16:18:40)

* #1646 No appropriate sudo directory for user scripts  (maxamillion,
  16:18:50)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1646   (maxamillion, 16:18:50)
  * AGREED: Defer decision of Issue #1646 until 2016-12-16
(maxamillion, 16:21:28)

* #1635 F26 Self contained Changes - Zend Framework 3  (maxamillion,
  16:21:35)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1635#comment-45817
(maxamillion, 16:21:35)
  * AGREED: F26 Self Contained Change - Zend Framework 3 (+1: 6, -1: 0,
+0: 0)  (maxamillion, 16:24:53)

* #1652 i686 is not on primary mirror location  (maxamillion, 16:25:21)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1652   (maxamillion, 16:25:21)
  * AGREED: Proposal: FESCo will draft an announcement for the demotion
of i686 to an atlernative architecture and seek Council input before
publishing. Secondly, FESCo will draft an architecture demotion
process. (+1: 5, -1: 0, +0: 0)  (maxamillion, 16:46:39)

* Next week's chair  (maxamillion, 16:48:21)
  * jsmith to chair FESCo Meeting 2016-12-16  (maxamillion, 16:49:26)

* Open Floor  (maxamillion, 16:49:37)
  * Reminder that 5 FESCo seats are open for elections now
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections  (maxamillion, 16:50:27)
  * AGREED: Cancel FESCo Meetings on 2016-12-23 and 2016-12-30
(maxamillion, 17:00:51)

Meeting ended at 17:02:03 UTC.




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* jwb (43)
* Rathann (27)
* jsmith (21)
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* dgilmore (3)
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