Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
- Original Message - > On Tue, 2016-10-11 at 09:52 -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > > > > > Yup. The "normal" mount contains nothing that normal users > > > > should access. > > > > Accessing the photos will leave ghosts on the device, and there > > > > have been > > > > no > > > > ways to update the music database in Linux for a few iOS > > > > releases. > > > > > > I very much doubt that anyone would release any code to touch an > > > idevice > > > music database due to fear of > > > legal action from the manufacturer. It may exist already. > > > > > > The ability to sync contacts, calendars and events, meeting info, > > > notes, > > > pictures etc ( anything that would be considered the personal data > > > entered > > > by the idevice owner is another matter entirely. Anything that the > > > law > > > provides in most countries such as the IP to that person or the > > > copyright of > > > documents or photos etc, and yes it can be a very grey area > > > between the laws > > > in different countries. This is just the other side of the coin > > > but this > > > time from the owners perspective and legal rights. > > > > What Linux applications support syncing those contacts? Are you sure > > they actually > > require the mounted filesystem? > > These do not need the exposure of the mounted filesystem in nautilus. Not sure that's worth mentioning in this thread then. > > This is more to do about developing applications for linux > to access the idevice that about iOS development on Fedora > Workstation but it may just help this also. Again, you don't need access to that particular filesystem to use sbmanager, or sync contacts. Maybe we'll get to that use case at some point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > While nautilus still exposes the pictures on an idevice > > > through gphoto2 > > > system does not seem to have changed. > > > > I can't parse that. > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I am aware it is possible to copy pictures from the > > > idevice but > > > transfers of pictures to the idevice will succeed, but will not be > > > shown on > > > the idevice by native apps without further hacking. > > This is only because a camera roll management needs implementation to > parse the file format. > > > > > > So it doesn't work. Sure you could use, and you can still use, the > > partition > > as storage. But I don't see the point in doing that. > > And it will stay that way if we do not allow developers easy access to > these area on the idevice. So everyone looses. It's still there, it's just not mounted by default. > Actually it is not unrelated at all as supports the subject of the > email. > > > The fact that a properties dialogue is not available in nautilus > in the side bar is a problem as it stops any user from displaying the > extra properties of a idevice using the mentioned extension. But that's not related to the disabling of the "main" partition mount. > > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741302 > > > > > > https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus-ideviceinfo/log/?ofs=100 > > > > > > http://blog.sukimashita.com/2015/01/09/gtk-3-support-for-nautilus- > > > ideviceinfo/ > > > > > > I hope this can be resolved in the short term as it provides all > > > users of > > > idevices with info that is expected today and further benefits > > > the foss community and the goals of Fedora, Gnome and downstream > > > distributions etc. > > > > Showing all the possible partitions doesn't help anyone, that I can > > see. Explain > > how the data on that partition is useful to the large majority of > > iOS/Linux users, > > and we can investigate. > The data from the idevice partition is useful for a developer not for > a regular user. > > > As I have explained above about the properties dialogue is not > available for a mounted idevice means that all user cannot > get this info easily without writing an application to get > it. > This info is convenient to know for all users. > > It is available for other usb connected devices why not an idevice. That's a different bug. We're pretty much in agreement that the main partition we used to show for iOS devices doesn't have any uses beyond fiddling with the internals of the device, and that it would be nice if the nautilus properties tab could be made to work again. Let's continue the discussion about that last one in the bug. Cheers ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
Yeah surely there's a better way to handle this than physically connecting the device. Maybe OBEX and do it wirelessly with Bluetooth? Mounting the device seems fraught with problems, even MTP isn't well suited for this anymore. Chris Murphy ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
On Tue, 2016-10-11 at 09:52 -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > > > Yup. The "normal" mount contains nothing that normal users > > > should access. > > > Accessing the photos will leave ghosts on the device, and there > > > have been > > > no > > > ways to update the music database in Linux for a few iOS > > > releases. > > > > I very much doubt that anyone would release any code to touch an > > idevice > > music database due to fear of > > legal action from the manufacturer. It may exist already. > > > > The ability to sync contacts, calendars and events, meeting info, > > notes, > > pictures etc ( anything that would be considered the personal data > > entered > > by the idevice owner is another matter entirely. Anything that the > > law > > provides in most countries such as the IP to that person or the > > copyright of > > documents or photos etc, and yes it can be a very grey area > > between the laws > > in different countries. This is just the other side of the coin > > but this > > time from the owners perspective and legal rights. > > What Linux applications support syncing those contacts? Are you sure > they actually > require the mounted filesystem? These do not need the exposure of the mounted filesystem in nautilus. Command line application do exist to sync phone contact's from evolution data server to an idevice. one-way sync only at present and is still work in progress and requires work to extend to other sync operations. https://github.com/gitsop01/eds-to-idevice Spring Board Manager Sbmanager from https://github.com/libimobiledevice/sbmanager - original gtk2 code proof of concept for libimobiledevice library. Still a work in progress with lots of refactoring and updating of code to do. https://github.com/gitsop01/sbmanager- Updated gtk3 port > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > You can still access the device by editing the URL in the > > > "Documents on..." > > > location. Just remove the ":3" at the end. > > > > Thanks for this info, > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have use cases that aren't the 2 mentioned above, or > > > using your > > > iDevice > > > as a thumb drive, please file bugs against gvfs in the upstream > > > GNOME > > > Bugzilla. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > While I agree for the normal non developer user, the removal, to > > be able to > > access what you could originally access, on the idevice before the > > code > > change, may be of little value. > > > > It is frustrating if you are developing applications and need > > access to these > > areas for debugging, checking directory, files and structure etc > > of the > > idevice. > > > > It is even more frustrating when the Fedora workstation is being > > targetted as > > a developer's platform, and it also affects any downstream > > distribution > > developers in the same way. > > How do you develop iOS applications on Linux? In any case, it's not > a target > of Fedora Workstation. It could be, but it's not. This is more to do about developing applications for linux to access the idevice that about iOS development on Fedora Workstation but it may just help this also. > > > > > > > > While nautilus still exposes the pictures on an idevice > > through gphoto2 > > system does not seem to have changed. > > I can't parse that. > > > > > > > As far as I am aware it is possible to copy pictures from the > > idevice but > > transfers of pictures to the idevice will succeed, but will not be > > shown on > > the idevice by native apps without further hacking. This is only because a camera roll management needs implementation to parse the file format. > > > So it doesn't work. Sure you could use, and you can still use, the > partition > as storage. But I don't see the point in doing that. And it will stay that way if we do not allow developers easy access to these area on the idevice. So everyone looses. > > > > > > > > The other mount exposes the so called document folder of some user > > installed > > apps on the idevice and may be useful for someone developing > > It's useful for adding files to applications, for example, music, > photos, or > documents in most 3rd-party applications. > Agreed. > > > > > > > but is off > > limited use to a normal non developer user, unless the normal non > > developer > > wants to use the phone as a usb drive to transport files without > > carrying an > > extra usb drive. > > > > The removal of the nautilus properties page on an connected > > idevice does have > > an effect that a nautilus-ideviceinfo extension that has been in > > gnome git > > for many years cannot be easily exposed and used and a gnome > > bugzilla entry > > has been active from last year without even a comment to date. > > That's unrelated. > Actually it is not unrelated at all as supports the subject of the email. The fact that a properties dialogue is not
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
- Original Message - > > - Original Message - > > > > Yup. The "normal" mount contains nothing that normal users should access. > > Accessing the photos will leave ghosts on the device, and there have been > > no > > ways to update the music database in Linux for a few iOS releases. > > I very much doubt that anyone would release any code to touch an idevice > music database due to fear of > legal action from the manufacturer. It may exist already. > > The ability to sync contacts, calendars and events, meeting info, notes, > pictures etc ( anything that would be considered the personal data entered > by the idevice owner is another matter entirely. Anything that the law > provides in most countries such as the IP to that person or the copyright of > documents or photos etc, and yes it can be a very grey area between the laws > in different countries. This is just the other side of the coin but this > time from the owners perspective and legal rights. What Linux applications support syncing those contacts? Are you sure they actually require the mounted filesystem? > is > > > > You can still access the device by editing the URL in the "Documents on..." > > location. Just remove the ":3" at the end. > > Thanks for this info, > > > > If you have use cases that aren't the 2 mentioned above, or using your > > iDevice > > as a thumb drive, please file bugs against gvfs in the upstream GNOME > > Bugzilla. > > > > Cheers > > > While I agree for the normal non developer user, the removal, to be able to > access what you could originally access, on the idevice before the code > change, may be of little value. > > It is frustrating if you are developing applications and need access to these > areas for debugging, checking directory, files and structure etc of the > idevice. > > It is even more frustrating when the Fedora workstation is being targetted as > a developer's platform, and it also affects any downstream distribution > developers in the same way. How do you develop iOS applications on Linux? In any case, it's not a target of Fedora Workstation. It could be, but it's not. > While nautilus still exposes the pictures on an idevice through gphoto2 > system does not seem to have changed. I can't parse that. > As far as I am aware it is possible to copy pictures from the idevice but > transfers of pictures to the idevice will succeed, but will not be shown on > the idevice by native apps without further hacking. So it doesn't work. Sure you could use, and you can still use, the partition as storage. But I don't see the point in doing that. > The other mount exposes the so called document folder of some user installed > apps on the idevice and may be useful for someone developing It's useful for adding files to applications, for example, music, photos, or documents in most 3rd-party applications. > but is off > limited use to a normal non developer user, unless the normal non developer > wants to use the phone as a usb drive to transport files without carrying an > extra usb drive. > > The removal of the nautilus properties page on an connected idevice does have > an effect that a nautilus-ideviceinfo extension that has been in gnome git > for many years cannot be easily exposed and used and a gnome bugzilla entry > has been active from last year without even a comment to date. That's unrelated. > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741302 > > https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus-ideviceinfo/log/?ofs=100 > > http://blog.sukimashita.com/2015/01/09/gtk-3-support-for-nautilus-ideviceinfo/ > > I hope this can be resolved in the short term as it provides all users of > idevices with info that is expected today and further benefits > the foss community and the goals of Fedora, Gnome and downstream > distributions etc. Showing all the possible partitions doesn't help anyone, that I can see. Explain how the data on that partition is useful to the large majority of iOS/Linux users, and we can investigate. Cheers ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
> - Original Message - > > Yup. The "normal" mount contains nothing that normal users should access. > Accessing the photos will leave ghosts on the device, and there have been no > ways to update the music database in Linux for a few iOS releases. I very much doubt that anyone would release any code to touch an idevice music database due to fear of legal action from the manufacturer. It may exist already. The ability to sync contacts, calendars and events, meeting info, notes, pictures etc ( anything that would be considered the personal data entered by the idevice owner is another matter entirely. Anything that the law provides in most countries such as the IP to that person or the copyright of documents or photos etc, and yes it can be a very grey area between the laws in different countries. This is just the other side of the coin but this time from the owners perspective and legal rights. is > > You can still access the device by editing the URL in the "Documents on..." > location. Just remove the ":3" at the end. Thanks for this info, > > If you have use cases that aren't the 2 mentioned above, or using your iDevice > as a thumb drive, please file bugs against gvfs in the upstream GNOME > Bugzilla. > > Cheers While I agree for the normal non developer user, the removal, to be able to access what you could originally access, on the idevice before the code change, may be of little value. It is frustrating if you are developing applications and need access to these areas for debugging, checking directory, files and structure etc of the idevice. It is even more frustrating when the Fedora workstation is being targetted as a developer's platform, and it also affects any downstream distribution developers in the same way. While nautilus still exposes the pictures on an idevice through gphoto2 system does not seem to have changed. As far as I am aware it is possible to copy pictures from the idevice but transfers of pictures to the idevice will succeed, but will not be shown on the idevice by native apps without further hacking. The other mount exposes the so called document folder of some user installed apps on the idevice and may be useful for someone developing but is off limited use to a normal non developer user, unless the normal non developer wants to use the phone as a usb drive to transport files without carrying an extra usb drive. The removal of the nautilus properties page on an connected idevice does have an effect that a nautilus-ideviceinfo extension that has been in gnome git for many years cannot be easily exposed and used and a gnome bugzilla entry has been active from last year without even a comment to date. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741302 https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus-ideviceinfo/log/?ofs=100 http://blog.sukimashita.com/2015/01/09/gtk-3-support-for-nautilus-ideviceinfo/ I hope this can be resolved in the short term as it provides all users of idevices with info that is expected today and further benefits the foss community and the goals of Fedora, Gnome and downstream distributions etc. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
- Original Message - > I did not have gvfs-gphoto2 installed. After installing it I now see > the separate mount. Thanks for your help! > > Let me try to summarize. Can you please correct me if I'm wrong: > > - Before (Fedora 22) I didn't need this because a "generic mount" of the > phone was supported. > - Now (Fedora 24) I need gvfs-gphoto2 installed to access pictures on > the iphone. > > I have a custom install so I don't know the answer to this question: > - Is gvfs-gphoto2 get installed by default? It's in the "gnome-desktop" group, which is in the kickstart file for Fedora Workstation. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
Huh, the phone should still be getting mounted, but as a camera, and just as a camera, and you can remove photos there without botching the phone's internal photo database. That definitely works here. -- >>> >>> Yeah All I see are "documents on dusty's iphone" and it shows 4 apps >>> that I have installed on my phone. The apps are random and have >>> nothing to do with my pictures. >>> >>> Maybe I have a bad setup. >> >> It should be a separate mount. Make sure you have gvfs-gphoto2 installed as >> well. >> > > I did not have gvfs-gphoto2 installed. After installing it I now see > the separate mount. Thanks for your help! > > Let me try to summarize. Can you please correct me if I'm wrong: > > - Before (Fedora 22) I didn't need this because a "generic mount" of the > phone was supported. > - Now (Fedora 24) I need gvfs-gphoto2 installed to access pictures on > the iphone. > > I have a custom install so I don't know the answer to this question: > - Is gvfs-gphoto2 get installed by default? So for my parents and their management of photos on their iPad I set them up to use shotwell to auto import/backup their photos using the libgphoto2 integration and that works pretty well too. Peter -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
On 07/13/2016 08:49 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > - Original Message - >> >> >> On 07/12/2016 05:01 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: >>> >>> >>> Huh, the phone should still be getting mounted, but as a camera, and just >>> as >>> a camera, and you can remove photos there without botching the phone's >>> internal >>> photo database. >>> >>> That definitely works here. >>> -- >> >> Yeah All I see are "documents on dusty's iphone" and it shows 4 apps >> that I have installed on my phone. The apps are random and have >> nothing to do with my pictures. >> >> Maybe I have a bad setup. > > It should be a separate mount. Make sure you have gvfs-gphoto2 installed as > well. > I did not have gvfs-gphoto2 installed. After installing it I now see the separate mount. Thanks for your help! Let me try to summarize. Can you please correct me if I'm wrong: - Before (Fedora 22) I didn't need this because a "generic mount" of the phone was supported. - Now (Fedora 24) I need gvfs-gphoto2 installed to access pictures on the iphone. I have a custom install so I don't know the answer to this question: - Is gvfs-gphoto2 get installed by default? Thanks again for the help Dusty -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
- Original Message - > > > On 07/12/2016 05:01 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > > > Huh, the phone should still be getting mounted, but as a camera, and just > > as > > a camera, and you can remove photos there without botching the phone's > > internal > > photo database. > > > > That definitely works here. > > -- > > Yeah All I see are "documents on dusty's iphone" and it shows 4 apps > that I have installed on my phone. The apps are random and have > nothing to do with my pictures. > > Maybe I have a bad setup. It should be a separate mount. Make sure you have gvfs-gphoto2 installed as well. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
On 07/12/2016 05:01 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > Huh, the phone should still be getting mounted, but as a camera, and just as > a camera, and you can remove photos there without botching the phone's > internal > photo database. > > That definitely works here. > -- Yeah All I see are "documents on dusty's iphone" and it shows 4 apps that I have installed on my phone. The apps are random and have nothing to do with my pictures. Maybe I have a bad setup. Dusty -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
- Original Message - > > > On 07/11/2016 07:33 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > > > - Original Message - > >>> On 07/09/2016 12:04 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > In older Fedora (at least Fedora 22) I could easily mount my ihphone > > in Nautilus. I could click on it in the left hand side of the File > > Manager and it would mount. > > > > I am having trouble getting this same behavior in Fedora 24. Can > > someone verify this works or does not work for them? You should be > > able to verify this with Fedora 24 + Gnome + iphone + iphone cable. > > Support is provided by gvfs-afc through the libimobiledevice stack, > the later hasn't really changed since F-22 when the 1.2.0 version > fixed up support for the new iOS devices, upstream have confirmed that > iOS 10 works with that version too [1], so not sure what might have > broken. > >>> > >>> Hey Peter, thanks for responding. > >>> > >>> So things "work" just not as they used to. I can still mount the > >>> files from the iphone if I use idevicepair and ifuse as described > >>> at http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-22-iphone.html > >>> > >>> The problem is when I'm using nautilus I used to just be able to click > >>> on the iphone in the left hand side menu and it would mount the files > >>> and I could browse around. Now I see a similar item in the menu but > >>> all I see are "Documents on Dusty's iPhone" and it lists out a few apps > >>> that are installed on my phone, but it doesn't give me any option to > >>> mount and browse files. > >>> > >> > >> Well there's been no change lower down the stack since F-22 and the > >> core functionality seems to be working. That indicates it's either 1) > >> a change in iOS version that has impacted this (I've no idea about > >> this) or a change in the way gvfs deals with iOS/afc which looking at > >> changelogs for 1.28 could be the case [1]. The one of interest seems > >> to be commit 0b68656 > >> > >> [1] https://download.gnome.org/sources/gvfs/1.28/gvfs-1.28.0.changes > > Thanks Peter > > > > > Yup. The "normal" mount contains nothing that normal users should access. > > Accessing the photos will leave ghosts on the device, and there have been > > no > > ways to update the music database in Linux for a few iOS releases. > > > > You can still access the device by editing the URL in the "Documents on..." > > location. Just remove the ":3" at the end. > > > > If you have use cases that aren't the 2 mentioned above, or using your > > iDevice > > as a thumb drive, please file bugs against gvfs in the upstream GNOME > > Bugzilla. > > > > Thanks Bastien. My use case is that I want to be able to copy pictures > off of my phone and onto the computer. I simply copy them off of the > phone, then eject phone from computer and then I delete them on the > phone using the phones interface.. This is my method of recovering > space on the phone. > > I used to be able to just double click the icon in Nautilus and > drag/drop the pictures where I wanted them to go. Now I have to use > the CLI to get the same functionality. Huh, the phone should still be getting mounted, but as a camera, and just as a camera, and you can remove photos there without botching the phone's internal photo database. That definitely works here. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
On 07/11/2016 07:33 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > - Original Message - >>> On 07/09/2016 12:04 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > In older Fedora (at least Fedora 22) I could easily mount my ihphone > in Nautilus. I could click on it in the left hand side of the File > Manager and it would mount. > > I am having trouble getting this same behavior in Fedora 24. Can > someone verify this works or does not work for them? You should be > able to verify this with Fedora 24 + Gnome + iphone + iphone cable. Support is provided by gvfs-afc through the libimobiledevice stack, the later hasn't really changed since F-22 when the 1.2.0 version fixed up support for the new iOS devices, upstream have confirmed that iOS 10 works with that version too [1], so not sure what might have broken. >>> >>> Hey Peter, thanks for responding. >>> >>> So things "work" just not as they used to. I can still mount the >>> files from the iphone if I use idevicepair and ifuse as described >>> at http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-22-iphone.html >>> >>> The problem is when I'm using nautilus I used to just be able to click >>> on the iphone in the left hand side menu and it would mount the files >>> and I could browse around. Now I see a similar item in the menu but >>> all I see are "Documents on Dusty's iPhone" and it lists out a few apps >>> that are installed on my phone, but it doesn't give me any option to >>> mount and browse files. >>> >> >> Well there's been no change lower down the stack since F-22 and the >> core functionality seems to be working. That indicates it's either 1) >> a change in iOS version that has impacted this (I've no idea about >> this) or a change in the way gvfs deals with iOS/afc which looking at >> changelogs for 1.28 could be the case [1]. The one of interest seems >> to be commit 0b68656 >> >> [1] https://download.gnome.org/sources/gvfs/1.28/gvfs-1.28.0.changes Thanks Peter > > Yup. The "normal" mount contains nothing that normal users should access. > Accessing the photos will leave ghosts on the device, and there have been no > ways to update the music database in Linux for a few iOS releases. > > You can still access the device by editing the URL in the "Documents on..." > location. Just remove the ":3" at the end. > > If you have use cases that aren't the 2 mentioned above, or using your iDevice > as a thumb drive, please file bugs against gvfs in the upstream GNOME > Bugzilla. > Thanks Bastien. My use case is that I want to be able to copy pictures off of my phone and onto the computer. I simply copy them off of the phone, then eject phone from computer and then I delete them on the phone using the phones interface.. This is my method of recovering space on the phone. I used to be able to just double click the icon in Nautilus and drag/drop the pictures where I wanted them to go. Now I have to use the CLI to get the same functionality. Dusty -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
- Original Message - > > On 07/09/2016 12:04 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > >>> In older Fedora (at least Fedora 22) I could easily mount my ihphone > >>> in Nautilus. I could click on it in the left hand side of the File > >>> Manager and it would mount. > >>> > >>> I am having trouble getting this same behavior in Fedora 24. Can > >>> someone verify this works or does not work for them? You should be > >>> able to verify this with Fedora 24 + Gnome + iphone + iphone cable. > >> > >> Support is provided by gvfs-afc through the libimobiledevice stack, > >> the later hasn't really changed since F-22 when the 1.2.0 version > >> fixed up support for the new iOS devices, upstream have confirmed that > >> iOS 10 works with that version too [1], so not sure what might have > >> broken. > > > > Hey Peter, thanks for responding. > > > > So things "work" just not as they used to. I can still mount the > > files from the iphone if I use idevicepair and ifuse as described > > at http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-22-iphone.html > > > > The problem is when I'm using nautilus I used to just be able to click > > on the iphone in the left hand side menu and it would mount the files > > and I could browse around. Now I see a similar item in the menu but > > all I see are "Documents on Dusty's iPhone" and it lists out a few apps > > that are installed on my phone, but it doesn't give me any option to > > mount and browse files. > > > > Well there's been no change lower down the stack since F-22 and the > core functionality seems to be working. That indicates it's either 1) > a change in iOS version that has impacted this (I've no idea about > this) or a change in the way gvfs deals with iOS/afc which looking at > changelogs for 1.28 could be the case [1]. The one of interest seems > to be commit 0b68656 > > [1] https://download.gnome.org/sources/gvfs/1.28/gvfs-1.28.0.changes Yup. The "normal" mount contains nothing that normal users should access. Accessing the photos will leave ghosts on the device, and there have been no ways to update the music database in Linux for a few iOS releases. You can still access the device by editing the URL in the "Documents on..." location. Just remove the ":3" at the end. If you have use cases that aren't the 2 mentioned above, or using your iDevice as a thumb drive, please file bugs against gvfs in the upstream GNOME Bugzilla. Cheers -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
> On 07/09/2016 12:04 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> In older Fedora (at least Fedora 22) I could easily mount my ihphone >>> in Nautilus. I could click on it in the left hand side of the File >>> Manager and it would mount. >>> >>> I am having trouble getting this same behavior in Fedora 24. Can >>> someone verify this works or does not work for them? You should be >>> able to verify this with Fedora 24 + Gnome + iphone + iphone cable. >> >> Support is provided by gvfs-afc through the libimobiledevice stack, >> the later hasn't really changed since F-22 when the 1.2.0 version >> fixed up support for the new iOS devices, upstream have confirmed that >> iOS 10 works with that version too [1], so not sure what might have >> broken. > > Hey Peter, thanks for responding. > > So things "work" just not as they used to. I can still mount the > files from the iphone if I use idevicepair and ifuse as described > at http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-22-iphone.html > > The problem is when I'm using nautilus I used to just be able to click > on the iphone in the left hand side menu and it would mount the files > and I could browse around. Now I see a similar item in the menu but > all I see are "Documents on Dusty's iPhone" and it lists out a few apps > that are installed on my phone, but it doesn't give me any option to > mount and browse files. > Well there's been no change lower down the stack since F-22 and the core functionality seems to be working. That indicates it's either 1) a change in iOS version that has impacted this (I've no idea about this) or a change in the way gvfs deals with iOS/afc which looking at changelogs for 1.28 could be the case [1]. The one of interest seems to be commit 0b68656 [1] https://download.gnome.org/sources/gvfs/1.28/gvfs-1.28.0.changes -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
On 07/09/2016 12:04 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: >> In older Fedora (at least Fedora 22) I could easily mount my ihphone >> in Nautilus. I could click on it in the left hand side of the File >> Manager and it would mount. >> >> I am having trouble getting this same behavior in Fedora 24. Can >> someone verify this works or does not work for them? You should be >> able to verify this with Fedora 24 + Gnome + iphone + iphone cable. > > Support is provided by gvfs-afc through the libimobiledevice stack, > the later hasn't really changed since F-22 when the 1.2.0 version > fixed up support for the new iOS devices, upstream have confirmed that > iOS 10 works with that version too [1], so not sure what might have > broken. Hey Peter, thanks for responding. So things "work" just not as they used to. I can still mount the files from the iphone if I use idevicepair and ifuse as described at http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-22-iphone.html The problem is when I'm using nautilus I used to just be able to click on the iphone in the left hand side menu and it would mount the files and I could browse around. Now I see a similar item in the menu but all I see are "Documents on Dusty's iPhone" and it lists out a few apps that are installed on my phone, but it doesn't give me any option to mount and browse files. > > There's some utils in the libimobiledevice-utils package that might > help with debug, possibly also try in selinux permissive mode to see > if something has changed there that might be affecting it. Tried disabling selinux but that didn't help. Dusty -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
> In older Fedora (at least Fedora 22) I could easily mount my ihphone > in Nautilus. I could click on it in the left hand side of the File > Manager and it would mount. > > I am having trouble getting this same behavior in Fedora 24. Can > someone verify this works or does not work for them? You should be > able to verify this with Fedora 24 + Gnome + iphone + iphone cable. Support is provided by gvfs-afc through the libimobiledevice stack, the later hasn't really changed since F-22 when the 1.2.0 version fixed up support for the new iOS devices, upstream have confirmed that iOS 10 works with that version too [1], so not sure what might have broken. There's some utils in the libimobiledevice-utils package that might help with debug, possibly also try in selinux permissive mode to see if something has changed there that might be affecting it. Peter [1] http://www.libimobiledevice.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
iphone mount in nautilus on Fedora 24
In older Fedora (at least Fedora 22) I could easily mount my ihphone in Nautilus. I could click on it in the left hand side of the File Manager and it would mount. I am having trouble getting this same behavior in Fedora 24. Can someone verify this works or does not work for them? You should be able to verify this with Fedora 24 + Gnome + iphone + iphone cable. Thanks, Dusty -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
