Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:13:41PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:09 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 09:21:09AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > the build group in koji is defined as > > > > > > build > > > build > > > None > > > false > > > true > > > > > > bash > > > > Hmm, where is this defined? > > In koji: > koji list-groups f30 Thanks. https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7926. > > > and in f30 comps the buildsys-build group is > > > > > > buildsys-build > > > > https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/346 Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:09 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 09:21:09AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > the build group in koji is defined as > > > > build > > build > > None > > false > > true > > > > bash > > Hmm, where is this defined? In koji: koji list-groups f30 > > and in f30 comps the buildsys-build group is > > > > buildsys-build > > https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/346 > > Zbyszek > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 09:21:09AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > the build group in koji is defined as > > build > build > None > false > true > > bash Hmm, where is this defined? > and in f30 comps the buildsys-build group is > > buildsys-build https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/346 Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
11.11.2018 21:33 Joël Krähemann wrote: > > Hi all, > > I don't care as long you leave the C locale on the system. IIUC, the C locale is built in and impossible to remove. When Zbyszek said "remove anything-not-C.UTF-8" he probably meant removal of actual national langpacks (including English) rather than removal of other generic locales like C or POSIX. I think that people were using en_US.UTF-8 as a way to force use of UTF-8 which is possible with C.UTF-8 as well. Regards, Rafal ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
Hi all, I don't care as long you leave the C locale on the system. http://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/gsequencer.git/tree/ags/lib/ags_regex.c?h=2.1.x#n43 FYI: the regexp engine behaves different as providing multi-byte input as with C.UTF-8. In contrary the C locale allows you to do match character ranges using 1 single byte per character. Bests, Joël On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:26 PM Todd Zullinger wrote: > > Hi Zbigniew, > > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > I'll do a mass update to use C.UTF-8 for the packages in the list that > > follows, next week. I'll do test builds locally, and I'll only push to > > dist-git if the local builds succeed. Let me know if you want your > > package to be excluded. > > > git amahdal besser82 chrisw pcahyna pstodulk skisela tmz > > I'll take care of git soon. > > Thanks, > > -- > Todd > ~~ > Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the > advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance. > -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" > > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
Hi Zbigniew, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > I'll do a mass update to use C.UTF-8 for the packages in the list that > follows, next week. I'll do test builds locally, and I'll only push to > dist-git if the local builds succeed. Let me know if you want your > package to be excluded. > git amahdal besser82 chrisw pcahyna pstodulk skisela tmz I'll take care of git soon. Thanks, -- Todd ~~ Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
6.11.2018 23:15 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > [...] > Things are the way they are so that without the additional step of > specifying glibc-minimal-langpack, one get's all the locales by > default. This design was chosen for maximum backwards compatibility when > the langpack split was being made. This case has been discussed during this year's Flock. Indeed, glibc-all-langpacks was introduced for backward compatibility when upgrading the Fedora systems predating langpacks. But it is considered a bug that glibc-all-langpacks is installed by default. The intention of splitting langpacks was to have only selected locales installed rather than all. > Installing no locales by default would probably be the default if we > were starting from scratch today, but when the split was made, a > different choice was made. I don't see enough benefit to revisit this. Sure, this may need a separate discussion. Regards, Rafal ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
* Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek [05/11/2018 23:24] : > > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. [snip ] > perl-libintl-perleseyman This package had a test in its test suite that only worked if LANG=en_US was set. Upstream released a new version with this test disabled so I've updated the package in rawhide and removed the locale setting. You can ignore this package. Emmanuel ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 10:14:58PM +0100, Rafal Luzynski wrote: > 6.11.2018 00:24 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > > Dear maintainers, > > > > I'm working again on implementing > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. > > [...] > > > > Once that's done, I'll file the PRs to actually replace > > glibc-langpacks-all > > with glibc-minimal-langpacks in mock and koji. > > Sorry if it's been discussed already before but one thing makes me wonder. > If glibc requires glibc-langpack and then we create glibc-minimal-langpack > which is empty and its only purpose is to provide glibc-langpack and thus > satisfy the dependency, then maybe we should just drop glibc-langpack > dependency from glibc and it would solve the problem? glibc-all-langpacks > could be removed rather than replaced with glibc-minimal-langpack. > The existence of glibc-minimal-langpack proves that glibc is able to work > without any external locale data. > > Otherwise your change looks correct to me (although I am aware of the > objections expressed in this thread). Things are the way they are so that without the additional step of specifying glibc-minimal-langpack, one get's all the locales by default. This design was chosen for maximum backwards compatibility when the langpack split was being made. Installing no locales by default would probably be the default if we were starting from scratch today, but when the split was made, a different choice was made. I don't see enough benefit to revisit this. Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
6.11.2018 00:24 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Dear maintainers, > > I'm working again on implementing > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. > [...] > > Once that's done, I'll file the PRs to actually replace > glibc-langpacks-all > with glibc-minimal-langpacks in mock and koji. Sorry if it's been discussed already before but one thing makes me wonder. If glibc requires glibc-langpack and then we create glibc-minimal-langpack which is empty and its only purpose is to provide glibc-langpack and thus satisfy the dependency, then maybe we should just drop glibc-langpack dependency from glibc and it would solve the problem? glibc-all-langpacks could be removed rather than replaced with glibc-minimal-langpack. The existence of glibc-minimal-langpack proves that glibc is able to work without any external locale data. Otherwise your change looks correct to me (although I am aware of the objections expressed in this thread). Regards, Rafal ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 09:21:09AM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > What is the change you are planning to put into mock and koji? In both cases, we know that bash and other utilities will pull in glibc, which Requires glibc-langpack, and pulls in glibc-all-langpacks by default. My plan is to add glibc-minimal-langpack to those lists. It also provides glibc-langpack, and will prevent glibc-all-langpacks from being pulled in automatically. Zbyszek > the build group in koji is defined as > > > build > build > None > false > true > > bash > bzip2 > coreutils > cpio > diffutils > fedora-release > findutils > gawk > grep > gzip > info > make > patch > redhat-rpm-config > rpm-build > sed > shadow-utils > tar > unzip > util-linux > which > xz > > > and in f30 comps the buildsys-build group is > > buildsys-build > <_name>Buildsystem building group > <_description/> > false > false > > bash > bzip2 > coreutils > cpio > diffutils > fedora-release > findutils > gawk > grep > gzip > info > make > patch > redhat-rpm-config > rpm-build > sed > shadow-utils > tar > unzip > util-linux > which > xz > > ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
El lun, 05-11-2018 a las 23:24 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek escribió: > Dear maintainers, > > I'm working again on implementing > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. This > will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages > that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. > > Once that's done, I'll file the PRs to actually replace glibc- > langpacks-all > with glibc-minimal-langpacks in mock and koji. What is the change you are planning to put into mock and koji? the build group in koji is defined as build build None false true bash bzip2 coreutils cpio diffutils fedora-release findutils gawk grep gzip info make patch redhat-rpm-config rpm-build sed shadow-utils tar unzip util-linux which xz and in f30 comps the buildsys-build group is buildsys-build <_name>Buildsystem building group <_description/> false false bash bzip2 coreutils cpio diffutils fedora-release findutils gawk grep gzip info make patch redhat-rpm-config rpm-build sed shadow-utils tar unzip util-linux which xz These are what mock uses to create the minimal buildroot in both cases, neither includes anything with glibc, greping through the mock code for glibc turns up nothing. I mention all of this because glibc-all- langpacks is pulled into the buildroot entirely by dependencies, the only change needed is to whatever package is pulling in glibc-all- langpacks to no longer pull it in. Dennis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 03:53:56PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 23:24 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Dear maintainers, > > > > I'm working again on implementing > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. > > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. This > > will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages > > that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. > > > > Once that's done, I'll file the PRs to actually replace glibc-langpacks-all > > with glibc-minimal-langpacks in mock and koji. > > > > I'll do a mass update to use C.UTF-8 for the packages in the list that > > follows, next week. I'll do test builds locally, and I'll only push to > > dist-git if the local builds succeed. Let me know if you want your > > package to be excluded. > > The self-tests for OpenConnect explicitly use cs_CZ.ISO8859-2 for > pathological password handling — using a password of "ĂŻ" (U+0102 > U+017B) in the local charset and making sure it works correctly. > > Do I just need to BuildRequire glibc-langpacks-all manually to make > that work again? That, or glibc-langpack-cs. (cs is 0.5 MB, glibc-all-langpacks is 25 MB). Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
* David Woodhouse: > The self-tests for OpenConnect explicitly use cs_CZ.ISO8859-2 for > pathological password handling — using a password of "ĂŻ" (U+0102 > U+017B) in the local charset and making sure it works correctly. > > Do I just need to BuildRequire glibc-langpacks-all manually to make > that work again? Yes, or depend on the cs langpack. Similar for any test that needs a non-UTF-8 locale. Thanks, Florian ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
* Panu Matilainen: > On 11/06/2018 02:13 PM, Mike FABIAN wrote: >> Panu Matilainen さんはかきました: >> >>> On 11/06/2018 12:15 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 12:10:04PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On 11/06/2018 03:05 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >>> The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 >>> (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. >> >> But there are probably many more packages where the setting is hidden in >> upstream build scripts. > > Build- and various other scripts. > > Is C.UTF-8 glibc upstream now, or is it still Fedora-specific? It was never Fedora-specific. The original justification in 2013 or so was "other distros already do it". It's just glibc upstream that doesn't have it. We still carry https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/glibc/blob/master/f/glibc-c-utf8-locale.patch, so it seems this hasn't been upstream. >>> >>> Ugh, this is a rather cumbersome situation for other projects: >>> supporting and using C.UTF-8 isn't going to happen large scale until >>> it's upstreamed. And it does make one wonder what exactly is >>> preventing it from being upstreamed in glibc. >> >> The current C.UTF-8 locale doesn’t sort correctly. It should sort >> according to code point order, but it does that only partly. It is sort >> of a quick hack. The glibc developers are working on a better solution >> but this takes more time. >> > > Hmm. Not sorting correctly doesn't sound so good when LANG=C (and now > C.UTF-8) is quite commonly used exactly for that purpose. Not all looks fixable to me in the current setting. We expose the table layout via nl_langinfo, so that's part of the ABI, and the tables just cannot express the sorting order with less than three to four bytes per codepoint. That's a lot of data even if we restrict ourselves to the modern UTF-8 range (those codepoints addressable using UTF-16 surrogate pairs). I think we could generate the tables on the fly if they are ever requested using nl_langinfo. Not many applications seem to do that. Internally within glibc, we could use a different interface to avoid the table generation. The table layout also has significant problems with expressing proper collation tables. We need to investigate this more deeply, but my impression is that the collation and collation sequence tables constitute a significant fraction of the locale data on disk. Changing the table layout again has ABI implications there, similar to those for C.UTF-8, except that the on-the-fly conversation code will be more difficult to write. Thanks, Florian ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 23:24 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Dear maintainers, > > I'm working again on implementing > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. This > will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages > that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. > > Once that's done, I'll file the PRs to actually replace glibc-langpacks-all > with glibc-minimal-langpacks in mock and koji. > > I'll do a mass update to use C.UTF-8 for the packages in the list that > follows, next week. I'll do test builds locally, and I'll only push to > dist-git if the local builds succeed. Let me know if you want your > package to be excluded. The self-tests for OpenConnect explicitly use cs_CZ.ISO8859-2 for pathological password handling — using a password of "ĂŻ" (U+0102 U+017B) in the local charset and making sure it works correctly. Do I just need to BuildRequire glibc-langpacks-all manually to make that work again? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On 11/06/2018 02:13 PM, Mike FABIAN wrote: Panu Matilainen さんはかきました: On 11/06/2018 12:15 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 12:10:04PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 11/06/2018 03:05 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. But there are probably many more packages where the setting is hidden in upstream build scripts. Build- and various other scripts. Is C.UTF-8 glibc upstream now, or is it still Fedora-specific? It was never Fedora-specific. The original justification in 2013 or so was "other distros already do it". It's just glibc upstream that doesn't have it. We still carry https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/glibc/blob/master/f/glibc-c-utf8-locale.patch, so it seems this hasn't been upstream. Ugh, this is a rather cumbersome situation for other projects: supporting and using C.UTF-8 isn't going to happen large scale until it's upstreamed. And it does make one wonder what exactly is preventing it from being upstreamed in glibc. The current C.UTF-8 locale doesn’t sort correctly. It should sort according to code point order, but it does that only partly. It is sort of a quick hack. The glibc developers are working on a better solution but this takes more time. Hmm. Not sorting correctly doesn't sound so good when LANG=C (and now C.UTF-8) is quite commonly used exactly for that purpose. - Panu - ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
Dear maintainers, I'm working again on implementing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. This will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. Once that's done, I'll file the PRs to actually replace glibc-langpacks-all with glibc-minimal-langpacks in mock and koji. I'll do a mass update to use C.UTF-8 for the packages in the list that follows, next week. I'll do test builds locally, and I'll only push to dist-git if the local builds succeed. Let me know if you want your package to be excluded. Zbyszek Maintainers by package: OpenTK orphan apache-poi gil lef mbooth ardour5 nphilipp tartina bash-completion mrunge ooprala sheltren svashisht borgbackup bpereto fschwarz clover2 mtasaka elixir codeblock fnux martinlanghoff puiterwijk s4504kr fail2ban athimm atkac jgu orion fantasdicmtasaka felix-osgi-core jcapik mizdebsk fmf psss gfan jjames pcpa tremble ghc petersen git amahdal besser82 chrisw pcahyna pstodulk skisela tmz hibernate3 gil lef hive coolsvap moceap orphan pmackinn hunspell-az caolanm hunspell-fa caolanm hunspell-ga caolanm hunspell-gv caolanm hunspell-ky caolanm ibus-typing-booster anishpatil mfabian ipython churchyard cstratak dcantrel ignatenkobrain lbalhar mrunge salimma tomspur jblaszbyszek kgb-bot averi langtablemfabian lazygal rathann libmp4v2 amigadave moezroy rathann sergiomb thias libraqm moceap migemo mtasaka # migemo is special, I'll just add BR:glibc-langpack-ja mongodb hhorak jpacner maxamillion mskalick panovotn strobert tdawson openqa adamwill paraview deji orion sagitter passengerjkaluza kanarip tdawson php-horde-Horde-Imap-Client remi php-horde-Horde-JavascriptMinify remi php-horde-Horde-Util remi php-kdyby-events orphan php-kdyby-strict-objects orphan php-latteorphan php-nette-application orphan php-nette-bootstrap orphan php-nette-cachingorphan php-nette-component-model orphan php-nette-database orphan php-nette-deprecated orphan php-nette-di orphan php-nette-finder orphan php-nette-forms orphan php-nette-http orphan php-nette-mail orphan php-nette-neon orphan php-nette-php-generator orphan php-nette-reflection orphan php-nette-robot-loader orphan php-nette-safe-stream orphan php-nette-security orphan php-nette-tester orphan php-nette-tokenizer orphan php-nette-utils orphan php-phpspec remi siwinski php-tracyorphan pyp2rpm bkabrda cstratak ishcherb kevin mcyprian rkuska python-CommonMarkjujens python-acoustid terjeros python-blessed abompard aviso python-click cstratak fab mstuchli rkuska python-deprecation jpena python-djangobkabrda churchyard jdornak mrunge salimma sgallagh python-djangoql vkrizan python-evic besser82 python-execnet ktdreyer thm python-ipython_genutils orion python-mapniktomh python-mtg tc01 python-musicbrainzngs amluto python-pankoclient pkilambi python-path laxathom python-pexpect amcnabb fabiand ignatenkobrain radez tomspur python-pypandoc orion zbyszek python-pytest-pep8 cstratak orion python-pythonz-bdmcyprian orphan python-seesawtc01 python-setproctitle hguemar stevetraylen python-setuptools_git apevec python-sphinx-autodoc-typehints tdecacqu python-sphinx-intl jujens python-spur orion python-tablestnorth zbyszek python-vcstools cottsay rmattes python-webassets dcallagh kumarpraveen pjp sundaram python-whitenoisepiotrp python2-django1.11 pviktori python2-ipython lbalhar rubygem-gettext mtasaka sseago rubygem-http_parser.rb ilgrad spredzy rubygem-nokogiri kanarip mtasaka tdawson tremble rubygem-org-ruby vondruch rubygem-ruby-openid orphan udiskie jstanek varnish ingvar luhliarik xorg-x11-drv-intel ajax glisse Packages by maintainer: abompard python-blessed adamwill openqa ajax xorg-x11-drv-intel amahdalgit amcnabbpython-pexpect amigadave libmp4v2 amluto python-musicbrainzngs anishpatil ibus-typing-booster apevec python-setuptools_git athimm fail2ban atkac fail2ban averi kgb-bot aviso python-blessed besser82 git python-evic bkabrdapyp2rpm python-django bperetoborgbackup caolanmhunspell-az hunspell-fa hunspell-ga hunspell-gv hunspell-ky chrisw git
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 8:58 AM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > On Tuesday, 06 November 2018 at 00:24, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Dear maintainers, > > > > I'm working again on implementing > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. > > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. This > > will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages > > that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. > > > > Once that's done, I'll file the PRs to actually replace glibc-langpacks-all > > with glibc-minimal-langpacks in mock and koji. > > > > I'll do a mass update to use C.UTF-8 for the packages in the list that > > follows, next week. I'll do test builds locally, and I'll only push to > > dist-git if the local builds succeed. Let me know if you want your > > package to be excluded. > > > > Zbyszek > [...] > > Packages by maintainer: > [...] > > rathannlazygal libmp4v2 > > Please add BR: glibc-langpack-en instead of changing locale for these. > > Regards, > Dominik From pain with other packages that require language settings, such as Chef, I'd really encourage enabling the existing defaults rather than trying to modify all the packages. That way lies a lot of work for our friends doing EPEL backports. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages [MORE PACKAGES]
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 12:05:03PM +, Paul Howarth wrote: > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 10:25:58 + > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > pghmcfcperl-Perl-Critic perl-Perl-OSType perl-Text-Hunspell > > perl-Text-SpellChecker > > These packages all set either LANG or LC_ALL to en_US for the purposes > of setting the correct language for the spell check in their test > suites. They all build-require hunspell-en to provide the required > dictionary. Are they also going to need glibc-langpack-en? They are going to need to declare BR:glibc-langpack-en. (The dependency was already there, just implicit.) Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 02:05:06PM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Tuesday, 06 November 2018 at 13:13, Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: > > > > > Dear maintainers, > > > > > > I'm working again on implementing > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. > > > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > > > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. This > > > will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages > > > that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. > > > > I think this is a very bad idea. The C.UTF-8 locale is Fedora-specific. > > It is not upstream, and it is known to be broken in many ways. It may > > or may not match what other distributions use. > > > > I have argued for some time that the locale must be upstreamed, but > > unfortunately, I'm notglibc-langpack-minimal getting anywhere. > > Can we use glibc-langpack-en instead of glibc-langpack-minimal and keep > en_US.UTF-8 locale as default? glibc-langpack-en is 6MB, glibc-langpack-minimal is ~0. Pretty much all packages don't need an actual language. Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 02:07:06PM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Tuesday, 06 November 2018 at 00:24, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Dear maintainers, > > > > I'm working again on implementing > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. > > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. This > > will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages > > that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. > > > > Once that's done, I'll file the PRs to actually replace glibc-langpacks-all > > with glibc-minimal-langpacks in mock and koji. > > > > I'll do a mass update to use C.UTF-8 for the packages in the list that > > follows, next week. I'll do test builds locally, and I'll only push to > > dist-git if the local builds succeed. Let me know if you want your > > package to be excluded. > > > > Zbyszek > [...] > > Packages by maintainer: > [...] > > rathannlazygal libmp4v2 > > Please add BR: glibc-langpack-en instead of changing locale for these. OK. Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Tuesday, 06 November 2018 at 00:24, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Dear maintainers, > > I'm working again on implementing > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. This > will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages > that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. > > Once that's done, I'll file the PRs to actually replace glibc-langpacks-all > with glibc-minimal-langpacks in mock and koji. > > I'll do a mass update to use C.UTF-8 for the packages in the list that > follows, next week. I'll do test builds locally, and I'll only push to > dist-git if the local builds succeed. Let me know if you want your > package to be excluded. > > Zbyszek [...] > Packages by maintainer: [...] > rathannlazygal libmp4v2 Please add BR: glibc-langpack-en instead of changing locale for these. Regards, Dominik -- Fedora https://getfedora.org | RPMFusion http://rpmfusion.org There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. -- from "Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Tuesday, 06 November 2018 at 13:13, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: > > > Dear maintainers, > > > > I'm working again on implementing > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. > > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. This > > will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages > > that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. > > I think this is a very bad idea. The C.UTF-8 locale is Fedora-specific. > It is not upstream, and it is known to be broken in many ways. It may > or may not match what other distributions use. > > I have argued for some time that the locale must be upstreamed, but > unfortunately, I'm not getting anywhere. Can we use glibc-langpack-en instead of glibc-langpack-minimal and keep en_US.UTF-8 locale as default? Regards, Dominik -- Fedora https://getfedora.org | RPMFusion http://rpmfusion.org There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. -- from "Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
* Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: > Dear maintainers, > > I'm working again on implementing > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. This > will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages > that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. I think this is a very bad idea. The C.UTF-8 locale is Fedora-specific. It is not upstream, and it is known to be broken in many ways. It may or may not match what other distributions use. I have argued for some time that the locale must be upstreamed, but unfortunately, I'm not getting anywhere. Thanks, Florian ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
Panu Matilainen さんはかきました: > On 11/06/2018 12:15 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 12:10:04PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: >>> On 11/06/2018 03:05 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. But there are probably many more packages where the setting is hidden in upstream build scripts. >>> >>> Build- and various other scripts. >>> >>> Is C.UTF-8 glibc upstream now, or is it still Fedora-specific? >> >> It was never Fedora-specific. The original justification in 2013 or so >> was "other distros already do it". It's just glibc upstream that doesn't >> have it. >> >> We still carry >> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/glibc/blob/master/f/glibc-c-utf8-locale.patch, >> so it seems this hasn't been upstream. > > Ugh, this is a rather cumbersome situation for other projects: > supporting and using C.UTF-8 isn't going to happen large scale until > it's upstreamed. And it does make one wonder what exactly is > preventing it from being upstreamed in glibc. The current C.UTF-8 locale doesn’t sort correctly. It should sort according to code point order, but it does that only partly. It is sort of a quick hack. The glibc developers are working on a better solution but this takes more time. > - Panu - > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > -- Mike FABIAN 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages [MORE PACKAGES]
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 10:25:58 + Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > pghmcfcperl-Perl-Critic perl-Perl-OSType perl-Text-Hunspell > perl-Text-SpellChecker These packages all set either LANG or LC_ALL to en_US for the purposes of setting the correct language for the spell check in their test suites. They all build-require hunspell-en to provide the required dictionary. Are they also going to need glibc-langpack-en? Paul. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On 11/06/2018 12:15 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 12:10:04PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 11/06/2018 03:05 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. But there are probably many more packages where the setting is hidden in upstream build scripts. Build- and various other scripts. Is C.UTF-8 glibc upstream now, or is it still Fedora-specific? It was never Fedora-specific. The original justification in 2013 or so was "other distros already do it". It's just glibc upstream that doesn't have it. We still carry https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/glibc/blob/master/f/glibc-c-utf8-locale.patch, so it seems this hasn't been upstream. Ugh, this is a rather cumbersome situation for other projects: supporting and using C.UTF-8 isn't going to happen large scale until it's upstreamed. And it does make one wonder what exactly is preventing it from being upstreamed in glibc. - Panu - ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages [MORE PACKAGES]
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 10:08:04AM +, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 05/11/2018 23:24, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > >I'll do a mass update to use C.UTF-8 for the packages in the list that > >follows, next week. I'll do test builds locally, and I'll only push to > >dist-git if the local builds succeed. Let me know if you want your > >package to be excluded. > > I've done mapnik (which seems to be missing from your list for > some reason) and python-mapnik. Arghhh! regexp failure on my part. I missed a bunch of packages. Maintainers by package: ant akurtakov jcapik kdaniel mizdebsk msrb aspectjweavergil rfenkhuber autoarchive fab c++-gtk-utilsairwave echevemaster espeak-ngolysonek hyphen-grc caolanm kgb-bot averi mecab-java mtasaka perl-App-PFT dacav perl-Glib-Object-Introspection berrange ddick perl-PFT dacav perl-Perl-Critic jplesnik pghmcfc ppisar perl-Perl-OSType pghmcfc perl-Text-Hunspell pghmcfc perl-Text-SpellChecker pghmcfc perl-libintl-perleseyman pl bagnara mef ppisar po4a athimm sergiomb sharkcz python-argh cstratak python-autopep8 mrunge ndipanov python-cairocffi brouhaha jdulaney python-congressclient mflobo python-cotyledon apevec pkilambi python-enchant cstratak mmraka python-evic besser82 python-httpbin adamwill python-httpretty jamielennox python-jsonpatch apevec dprince skottler python-jsonpointer apevec dprince skottler python-muranoclient mflobo python-netaddr jcholast jeckersb jhrozek python-pankoclient pkilambi python-pifpafhguemar pkilambi python-ptyprocessignatenkobrain orion tomspur python-pymrunge thm python-rospkgcottsay rmattes python-scandir aviso salimma python-sphinxaviso cstratak salimma toshio python-tenacity pkilambi python-webtest bkabrda lmacken ricky python-yaql mflobo pywebdav sharkcz rubygem-asciidoctor fale ktdreyer mojavelinux rubygem-charlock_holmes axilleas ktdreyer rubygem-coderay jaruga rubygem-em-http-request jackorp rubygem-fast_gettext vondruch rubygem-gettext-setup domcleal rubygem-highline jamielinux stahnma tdawson rubygem-hpricot kanarip mtasaka rubygem-i18n humaton jstribny stahnma vondruch rubygem-jekyll-feed decathorpe rubygem-kramdown mtasaka rubygem-marc mtasaka rubygem-minitest humaton jstribny mkent mmorsi skottler smoitra stahnma vondruch rubygem-mustache vondruch rubygem-nokogiri kanarip mtasaka tdawson tremble rubygem-pangomtasaka rubygem-power_assert mtasaka rubygem-rack jaruga jstribny mmorsi smoitra stevetraylen vondruch rubygem-redisaxilleas rubygem-rspec-core bkearney mtasaka skottler tdawson vondruch rubygem-rspec-expectations bkearney mtasaka skottler tdawson vondruch rubygem-rspec-mocks bkearney mtasaka skottler tdawson vondruch rubygem-rspec-support mtasaka rubygem-rspec2-core mtasaka rubygem-rspec2-expectations mtasaka rubygem-taskjuggler orphan rubygem-tilt ktdreyer valtri vondruch udiskie jstanek Packages by maintainer: adamwill python-httpbin airwavec++-gtk-utils akurtakov ant apevec python-cotyledon python-jsonpatch python-jsonpointer athimm po4a averi kgb-bot aviso python-scandir python-sphinx axilleas rubygem-charlock_holmes rubygem-redis bagnarapl berrange perl-Glib-Object-Introspection besser82 python-evic bkabrdapython-webtest bkearney rubygem-rspec-core rubygem-rspec-expectations rubygem-rspec-mocks brouhaha python-cairocffi caolanmhyphen-grc cottsaypython-rospkg cstratak python-argh python-enchant python-sphinx dacav perl-App-PFT perl-PFT ddick perl-Glib-Object-Introspection decathorpe rubygem-jekyll-feed domcleal rubygem-gettext-setup dprincepython-jsonpatch python-jsonpointer echevemaster c++-gtk-utils eseymanperl-libintl-perl fabautoarchive fale rubygem-asciidoctor gilaspectjweaver hguemarpython-pifpaf humatonrubygem-i18n rubygem-minitest ignatenkobrain python-ptyprocess jackorprubygem-em-http-request jamielennox python-httpretty jamielinux rubygem-highline jaruga rubygem-coderay rubygem-rack jcapik ant jcholast python-netaddr jdulaney python-cairocffi jeckersb python-netaddr jhrozekpython-netaddr jplesnik perl-Perl-Critic jstanekudiskie jstribny rubygem-i18n rubygem-minitest rubygem-rack kanariprubygem-hpricot rubygem-nokogiri kdanielant ktdreyer rubygem-asciidoctor rubygem-charlock_holmes rubygem-tilt lmackenpython-webtest mefpl mflobo python-congressclient python-muranoclient python-yaql mizdebsk ant mkent rubygem-minitest mmorsi rubygem-minitest rubygem-rack mmraka python-enchant mojavelinux rubygem-asciidoctor mrunge python-autopep8 python-py
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 12:10:04PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On 11/06/2018 03:05 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >>The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > >>(and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. > > > >But there are probably many more packages where the setting is hidden in > >upstream build scripts. > > Build- and various other scripts. > > Is C.UTF-8 glibc upstream now, or is it still Fedora-specific? It was never Fedora-specific. The original justification in 2013 or so was "other distros already do it". It's just glibc upstream that doesn't have it. We still carry https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/glibc/blob/master/f/glibc-c-utf8-locale.patch, so it seems this hasn't been upstream. Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On 11/06/2018 03:05 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. But there are probably many more packages where the setting is hidden in upstream build scripts. Build- and various other scripts. Is C.UTF-8 glibc upstream now, or is it still Fedora-specific? - Panu - ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On 06. 11. 18 0:24, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Dear maintainers, I'm working again on implementing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. This will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. Once that's done, I'll file the PRs to actually replace glibc-langpacks-all with glibc-minimal-langpacks in mock and koji. I'll do a mass update to use C.UTF-8 for the packages in the list that follows, next week. I'll do test builds locally, and I'll only push to dist-git if the local builds succeed. Let me know if you want your package to be excluded. Note for Python package owners: Since Python 3.7 upstream (and 3.6 in Fedora 26+ [0]) the locale is automatically coerced from C to C.utf-8 [1]. If you set LANG=en_US.utf-8 (or similar) for your Python 3 tests/docs/..., consider trying to remove the statement entirely before converting it to LANG=C.utf-8. The same applies if you already use LANG=C.utf-8. Zbyszek: I'm going to do this in ipython and python-django. [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/python3_c.utf-8_locale [1] https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0538/ -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 02:05:27AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. > > But there are probably many more packages where the setting is hidden in > upstream build scripts. That is possible, but I don't think it'll be that widespread. Gnarly upstream build scripts tend to be old, and not all systems always had en_US.UTF-8, so those script should do some autodetection of the available encodings. Anyway, we'll see. > > This will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages > > that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. > > Older Fedoras only since F22 updates / F24 GA, see: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=902094 > > And what about EL? Neither version of EPEL seems to support C.UTF-8. So if somebody wants to support F30+ and EPEL (or F21-) from the same branch, they should probably add additional BR and use one of the more heavyweight locales. Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 > (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. But there are probably many more packages where the setting is hidden in upstream build scripts. > This will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages > that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. Older Fedoras only since F22 updates / F24 GA, see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=902094 And what about EL? Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
mass-removal of LANG=anything-not-C.UTF-8 in packages
Dear maintainers, I'm working again on implementing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_glibc-langpacks-all_from_buildroot. The first step is to replace LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 (and similarly for LANG=, LC_CTYPE=, etc.) in all spec files. This will be backwards and forwards compatible, in the sense that packages that use C.UTF-8 should build OK on older and newer Fedoras. Once that's done, I'll file the PRs to actually replace glibc-langpacks-all with glibc-minimal-langpacks in mock and koji. I'll do a mass update to use C.UTF-8 for the packages in the list that follows, next week. I'll do test builds locally, and I'll only push to dist-git if the local builds succeed. Let me know if you want your package to be excluded. Zbyszek Maintainers by package: OpenTK orphan apache-poi gil lef mbooth ardour5 nphilipp tartina bash-completion mrunge ooprala sheltren svashisht borgbackup bpereto fschwarz clover2 mtasaka elixir codeblock fnux martinlanghoff puiterwijk s4504kr fail2ban athimm atkac jgu orion fantasdicmtasaka felix-osgi-core jcapik mizdebsk fmf psss gfan jjames pcpa tremble ghc petersen git amahdal besser82 chrisw pcahyna pstodulk skisela tmz hibernate3 gil lef hive coolsvap moceap orphan pmackinn hunspell-az caolanm hunspell-fa caolanm hunspell-ga caolanm hunspell-gv caolanm hunspell-ky caolanm ibus-typing-booster anishpatil mfabian ipython churchyard cstratak dcantrel ignatenkobrain lbalhar mrunge salimma tomspur jblaszbyszek kgb-bot averi langtablemfabian lazygal rathann libmp4v2 amigadave moezroy rathann sergiomb thias libraqm moceap migemo mtasaka # migemo is special, I'll just add BR:glibc-langpack-ja mongodb hhorak jpacner maxamillion mskalick panovotn strobert tdawson openqa adamwill paraview deji orion sagitter passengerjkaluza kanarip tdawson php-horde-Horde-Imap-Client remi php-horde-Horde-JavascriptMinify remi php-horde-Horde-Util remi php-kdyby-events orphan php-kdyby-strict-objects orphan php-latteorphan php-nette-application orphan php-nette-bootstrap orphan php-nette-cachingorphan php-nette-component-model orphan php-nette-database orphan php-nette-deprecated orphan php-nette-di orphan php-nette-finder orphan php-nette-forms orphan php-nette-http orphan php-nette-mail orphan php-nette-neon orphan php-nette-php-generator orphan php-nette-reflection orphan php-nette-robot-loader orphan php-nette-safe-stream orphan php-nette-security orphan php-nette-tester orphan php-nette-tokenizer orphan php-nette-utils orphan php-phpspec remi siwinski php-tracyorphan pyp2rpm bkabrda cstratak ishcherb kevin mcyprian rkuska python-CommonMarkjujens python-acoustid terjeros python-blessed abompard aviso python-click cstratak fab mstuchli rkuska python-deprecation jpena python-djangobkabrda churchyard jdornak mrunge salimma sgallagh python-djangoql vkrizan python-evic besser82 python-execnet ktdreyer thm python-ipython_genutils orion python-mapniktomh python-mtg tc01 python-musicbrainzngs amluto python-pankoclient pkilambi python-path laxathom python-pexpect amcnabb fabiand ignatenkobrain radez tomspur python-pypandoc orion zbyszek python-pytest-pep8 cstratak orion python-pythonz-bdmcyprian orphan python-seesawtc01 python-setproctitle hguemar stevetraylen python-setuptools_git apevec python-sphinx-autodoc-typehints tdecacqu python-sphinx-intl jujens python-spur orion python-tablestnorth zbyszek python-vcstools cottsay rmattes python-webassets dcallagh kumarpraveen pjp sundaram python-whitenoisepiotrp python2-django1.11 pviktori python2-ipython lbalhar rubygem-gettext mtasaka sseago rubygem-http_parser.rb ilgrad spredzy rubygem-nokogiri kanarip mtasaka tdawson tremble rubygem-org-ruby vondruch rubygem-ruby-openid orphan udiskie jstanek varnish ingvar luhliarik xorg-x11-drv-intel ajax glisse Packages by maintainer: abompard python-blessed adamwill openqa ajax xorg-x11-drv-intel amahdalgit amcnabbpython-pexpect amigadave libmp4v2 amluto python-musicbrainzngs anishpatil ibus-typing-booster apevec python-setuptools_git athimm fail2ban atkac fail2ban averi kgb-bot aviso python-blessed besser82 git python-evic bkabrdapyp2rpm python-django bperetoborgbackup caolanmhunspell-az hunspell-fa hunspell-ga hunspell-gv hunspell-ky chrisw git
