Re: Announcing OLPC OS 11.3.1 for XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org mentioned: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/11.3.1 The download links in there are still to e.g. http://download.laptop.org/xo-1.5/os/candidate/885/ , not http://download.laptop.org/xo-1.5/os/official/885/ The directories appear to be the same. I added [[Build number::885]] to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/11.3.1 so the lists in other pages like What release am I running? update. Congratulations! -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: compiled to .XO
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: Am attaching an copy of an email I sent earlier to someone with a question similar to yours. IMHO that email provides a concise how-to guide to fashioning a bare-bones .xo package. Great stuff. Someone, be brave and aggressively update http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Running_Linux_Applications_Under_Sugar -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
XO-1 disk space and 12.1 offline update
On an XO-1 running a freshly installed os883 release 11.3.0 with
nothing in ~/Documents and hardly any Journal entries I was unable to
successfully update using
sudo olpc-update 12.1.0d_xo1-12
, it ran out of space. The 12.1.0 build is now up to 14, but I don't
think it shrank between build 12 and 14. I had 297MB free beforehand,
and only 14MB free after the update failed.
I wanted to try an upgrade using OLPC's simple offline update[1], but
the download directory
http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/candidate/12.1.0-14/ lacks a
21014o0.usb file. It does have a 21014o0.toc , what's that for if
there's no .usb file?
I had nothing important on the XO so I can just do a fresh install of
12.1.0, but if someone else is able to try an XO-1 online update from
a fresh-ish 11.3.0 to 12.1.0 and has similar problems I think the
release notes could usefully caution You will *not* be able to update
an XO-1 running 11.3.x unless you delete material from the standard
installation so that you have over NNN MB free.
Also, after a failed olpc-update, is there a guide to where the cruft
I can remove is? Since 11.3.0 is a recent build, the guide to
purging[2] doesn't apply; /versions/{contents,pristine,run} all only
contain 883. `sudo du -sh /versions/*` says I have 901MB in
/versions/pristine and 649MB in /versions/updates; combined that's
more than the 1024MB flash size, so either they overlap or JFFS2
compression really works! Is it safe to remove the contents of
/versions/updates?
Cheers and thanks,
[1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Olpc-update#Simple_offline_update
[2] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Olpc-update#Purging_a_previous_OS
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Re: AFR: Sony's 2-screen Tablet P: a good idea gone wrong
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 18:33, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: [Summary: 2-screen laptops need fairly deep software support because 2 screens don't look like 1 screen. I excerpted freely below; see the link for the entire story. --gnu] http://www.afr.com/f/free/technology/digitallife/g_ZWzfPcJsePV9VdQfxY9w1H But the Tablet P is running Android, and neither Android nor most Android apps have a clue how to use the dual display. Android 3.0 (Honeycomb)'s Fragments API sounds like it could handle this; the Sony P runs 3.0 and is getting 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich). Because a tablet's screen is much larger than that of a handset, there's more room to combine and interchange UI components. ... When designing your application to support both tablets and handsets, you can reuse your fragments in different layout configurations to optimize the user experience based on the available screen space http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals/fragments.html No doubt Google has a long way to go to make fragments smart enough to handle dual screens like this or a smartphone with HDMI out to a huge TV. And then apps have to be updated to take advantage of fragments. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 11.3.1 development build 31 for XO-1 and XO-1.5
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 13:41, Martin Langhoff mar...@laptop.org wrote: The software update sees the base url and the OS version, and tries http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/11.3.1 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/11.3 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/11 First one to have content wins, and the software update stops searching. As explained in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update#Activity_groups . (Although I'm still confused what happens if an Activity's activity.info has its own update_url.) Software Update's UI is very confusing, Fetching http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1; actively misrepresents what it's doing. It would be so nice if it printed Trying http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/11.3.1 ... Trying http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/11.3... FOUND http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/11.3;. I filed https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10321 -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC Engineering] [Techteam] 11.3.1 build 11 released for XO-1.75
Sorry to butt in What is the recommended way to identify the type/model of keyboard/trackpad? Good question. This should be put on a Wiki page. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support_FAQ/Mouse,_Touchpad ? -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: can't boot XO-1 from USB, doc needed
I wrote: I'd like to boot off USB and look at my XO-1's NAND filesystem. But the wiki instructions for booting off USB[1] were out of date. I still can't boot 11.3.0 from USB following http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images_for_USB_disks#Booting. James Cameron helpfully replied: I would use http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Tiny_Core_Linux to boot from USB and investigate the cause: That worked using boot u:\boot\olpc.fth , very nice! I tweaked your F.S. test steps to: # cat /proc/mtd # mkdir /mnt/MY_XO_FS # mount -t jffs2 mtd0 /mnt/MY_XO_FS (I updated the wiki page with all this) at which point after about 15 seconds I get JFFS2 error: (1053) jffs2_build_inode_pass1: child dir root (ino #340448) of dir ino #340447 appears to be a hard link Yet the NAND flash contents look pretty good, /home/olpc, /versions, etc. `find -inum 340xxx` fails to find those inode numbers, but prints find: ./versions/run/af5b6blahblah: Input/output error `ls` reports this directory doesn't exist. Unfortunately there's no fsck.jffs2 , so this seems irreparable. I hope it's just hardware rather than the steps to free up disk space that I vaguely recall running before I last shut down. I would also make a backup using the xo-backup tool included on the Tiny Core Linux build modified for XO-1. That worked, nice! % gtar -v --create --directory /mnt/MY_XO_FS/home/olpc \ --file /mnt/sda1/xo_home_olpc.tar . Thanks again! Now I'll install *without* using olpc-update for the first time in years. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 12.1.0 devel build 1 released, for XO-1.5 and XO-1
[I removed cc'd olpc and techteam lists, I'm not a member of them.] Is there documentation for the new files .onu, .uim, etc.? Is there a high-level build system script to look at instead of trying to infer from the resulting files what they do? I couldn't find anything, so I added a section Files produced by the build system to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Build_system#Files_produced_by_the_build_system , corrections welcome. I'm also updating the out-of-date http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images_for_USB_disks , as I could only find questions and bug reports about this, no actual procedure that work for the current files. (And congratulations, technology advances inexorably!) -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
can't boot XO-1 from USB, doc needed
I wanted to try 11.3.0 but my XO-1 prints scary JFFS2 warnings before Boot has failed, sleeping forever.. (After four years, no more olpc-update for me.) I'd like to boot off USB and look at my XO-1's NAND filesystem. But the wiki instructions for booting off USB[1] were out of date. I've updated them to de-emphasize the .ext3.img that's no longer built, but can't find instructions for what's in current builds. There have been mail threads and bug reports on the subject, recently 11.2.0 XO-1 boot from USB or SD doesn't work for me[2] which wound up providing workarounds [3] without explaining how to get started. I think there was a more recent thread but I can't find it. * Can I jump through hoops to mount the JFFS2 .img and transfer its contents (cpio?) to an ext3 partition? * I created an ext3 partition named OLPCRoot and used sudo tar --lzma --numeric-owner -xvf /path/to/os883.tree.tar.lzma to extract the build's files. But the tree doesn't have /boot , initrd, or actrd?! That's probably why trying to boot from it gives ok boot u: Boot device: /usb/disk: Arguments: The attempt to load a boot image failed. These files are deep within u:\versions\run\883\boot , should I be providing special arguments or creating symlinks? Also, people have written separate instructions for booting from SD[4], but wouldn't the procedure be the same? I promise to write up any explanations provided... [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images_for_USB_disks [2] http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2011-August/033009.html [3] http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/11233 [4] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Installing_to_SD_Card Thanks, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Sugar and GTK updates
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 13:49, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I've been working on keeping Fedora's deps in check for quite some time (from around Fedora 8 or 9 if my memory serves me correctly). Its unfortunately one of those pretty thankless and never ending jobs. Thanks much! If people pick up on things where we can split certain features out into sub-packages so we don't pull in big deps do let me know, Is there a tracking bug like https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7353 ? In response to 2011/6/3 Yader Velásquez's Packages size list 11.2.0 build 20 message, I commented: 37.69mb perl Something's always dragging Perl in, and OLPC engineers hack it out again. `rpm -e --test perl` suggests /usr/bin perl is needed by inkscape , but my rpm-foo is weak. Inkscape might also be the one pulling in 6.54mb ImageMagick 0.45mb perl-Pod-Simple I believe XO's don't include any documentation this generates. 1.77mb libbonobo 1.21mb libbonoboui 0.46mb ORBit2 Deprecated since Gnome 2.4 around 2007 and yet they're still around :-( 10.29mb wxGTK I think the Audacity app for Gnome is the only thing that requires the wx toolkit. 0.32mb rarian 0.23mb rarian-compat These produce documentation that isn't shipped on the XOs. See https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8075 11.61mb evolution-data-server That's still there, but I think because gnome-panel-2.32 requires it, and some other Gnome packages need libs from its package. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 11.2.0 successful XO-1 olpc-update, keyboard woes
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 07:26, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 30 June 2011 12:32, S Page skierp...@gmail.com wrote: Ctrl+Alt+Neighborhood to switch to console doesn't work, nor do other Ctrl+Alt+Fn combinations. Strange. Ctrl+Alt+F2 and F3 should take you to terminals, and F1 back to sugar. Can you reproduce this? They now work! I'm fairly certain they wasn't working at first, maybe this is related to the copy/paste key combinations not working at first. But I started a new Terminal activity and Shift+Ctrl+C/V aren't working (until I activated the Edit menu) and yet those console key combinations worked from the beginning. The ordering is different than it was before, so I added a section to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Terminal_Activity#The_Console , dunno if this warrants a release note . Also, Ctrl+Alt+Activity View (F4?) takes me to a blank screen with an underlined cursor, and it later filled up with some kernel messages. This read-only console output session seems new, I think in 10.1.3 console output appeared in one of the regular VTs. Also, pressing left and right mouse buttons simultaneously used to paste the primary selection in Terminal, I think because this simulates a middle-click and that's been the middle mouse button behavior in UNIX. Not any more. Did this definitely work in 10.1.3? Sounds like an unintentional change if that is the case. Almost certainly. Unfortunately I only have the one XO-1. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Packages size list 11.2.0 build 20
2011/6/29 S Page skierp...@gmail.com: 0.72mb totem-pl-parser It looks like the totem music player's playlist facility is still using some tiny piece of Perl I misremembered, its dependency was on evolution-data-server, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456113 . 11.61mb evolution-data-server That's still there, but I think because gnome-panel-2.32 requires it, and some other Gnome packages need libs from its package. `rpm -e --test perl` suggests /usr/bin perl is needed by inkscape , but my rpm-foo is weak. Inkscape might also be the one pulling in 6.54mb ImageMagick -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
11.2.0 successful XO-1 olpc-update, keyboard woes
XO-1 updating from 10.1.3 to 11.2.0. It was hard to free up enough space. As Yioryos Asprobounitis said in olpc-update works on XO-1! I had to delete ~/Library content and there's no UI to do so for bundled content. After I freed up enough space, my third `sudo olpc-update candidate-870` completed successfully, so it seems you can just retry the command until it works. I don't know how much space free I would have needed to do it one go, his 470MB sounds about right. Shutdown and restart went fine, and then I had 370 MB space free thanks to 11.2.0 removing the old version's files in /versions. Software Update worked fine, down to 311MB free. Networking and power seem to work well, Journal preserved my old items and metadata. Great stuff! I had problems with the keyboard. Someone was saying in another thread (that I can't find) that Shift+Ctrl+C/V don't work to copy and paste in Terminal activity. I found this too, for hours only the menu items worked. Then the keyboard shortcuts started working; it might have been some combination of moving between various activity menus that made it work. Ctrl+Alt+Neighborhood to switch to console doesn't work, nor do other Ctrl+Alt+Fn combinations. Also, pressing left and right mouse buttons simultaneously used to paste the primary selection in Terminal, I think because this simulates a middle-click and that's been the middle mouse button behavior in UNIX. Not any more. When My Settings is up, if you Alt-Tab to the Journal you can't operate the Journal or type in its find box, but you can Alt-Tab to the Terminal and type behind it. The Frame gained a new touchpad icon that seems to disable the touchpad, I couldn't see any documentation for this in release notes or Sugar release notes or the Help activity. Unlike everything else in the frame it has no context menu on hover. I can file bugs for these... -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 11.2.0 release candidate 1 (build 870) released
We're looking for testing and feedback on all aspects of the system.
Yet http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing doesn't mention
11.2.0. If that's obsolete, put a {{dated}}, {{deprecated}}, or
{{obsolete|link=[[A more relevant page]]}} template at the top.
I'm attempting olpc-update, it's hard to free up enough space on an XO-1.
The release notes Installation section should suggest backing up
first. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_backup_your_XO says to back
up an XO-1.5 you should boot up Tiny Core Linux, is that the only way
to do it?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Packages size list 11.2.0 build 20
2011/6/3 Yader Velásquez yajo...@gmail.com: I've written a shell script for get an orden list (mayor to minor) of the packages list with their size. I run it in a XO 1.0 with the build 20 of the 11.2.0. The idea is to make make the build smaller by getting rid of un-needed packages. Awesome. Assuming some of it is history repeating itself, see https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7353 Is there a Fedora equivalent of http://packages.ubuntu.com/ ? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/ seems all administrivia, I can't get requirements or file contents out of it. 37.69mb perl Something's always dragging Perl in, and OLPC engineers hack it out again. 0.72mb totem-pl-parser It looks like the totem music player's playlist facility is still using some tiny piece of Perl, Daniel Drake made build hacks to remove it that AIUI weren't accepted upstream. Before that Perl was pulled in by gstream-plugins-base, libbonobo, etc. 0.45mb perl-Pod-Simple I believe XO's don't include any documentation this generates. 1.77mb libbonobo 1.21mb libbonoboui 0.46mb ORBit2 Deprecated since Gnome 2.4 around 2007 and yet they're still around :-( 10.29mb wxGTK I think the Audacity app for Gnome is the only thing that requires the wx toolkit. 0.32mb rarian 0.23mb rarian-compat These produce documentation that isn't shipped on the XOs. See https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8075 etc. Good luck! BTW, it's MB, not milli-bits :-) -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: olpc-update works on XO-1!
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 15:05, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, the good news is that updating from os860 tp os23 is possible! But doesn't 11.2.0 change the partitioning (but no longer, as I understand it, changes the file system from jffs2 to ubifs)? Surely olpc-update doesn't change that. The bad news is that it needs ~470MB of free space to work and os860 pristine leaves only ~380MB free. I think those space requirements should be in Release notes/11.2.0. I think there's a page somewhere on the wiki about freeing up storage space, but I couldn't find it. I tried `sudo olpc-update candidate-870` with 159MB free. First attempt restarted sugar after less than a minute (probably OOM, I may have had other activities than Terminal running). My second attempt with -v -v quickly freed up 340MB or so after Deleting old pristine/run/contents for version a04blah blah, then ground away rsyncing, before failing with rsync error: errors with program diagnostics (code 13)... Attempt olpc_update_irsync_pristine failed... returned non-zero exit status 13 Then it tried irsync_dirty update that silently failed (maybe it couldn't update my log file), at which point I had 11MB free. Is there a way to tell which Record entries in the journal take up the most space? -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Testing] Software update problems in OLPC 10.1.3
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: I install Activities manually, rather than with software install. With Help-12 (from 'help-12.xo' gotten via activities.sugarlabs.org) on that system, My Settings - Software Update tells me all my software is up-to-date (and does NOT get errors checking installed activities). Good to know. I've got a Help-11 installed according to its activity_version in activity.info and Home view List view, so it seems right to be trying to update. I just repeated Software Update and it claims all my software is up to date, including Help-11. Hmmm. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC 10.1.2 Release Candidate 3
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:58 PM, S Page skierp...@gmail.com wrote: == Activity groups == I notice there's a new activity group, url=http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1Lite I think this was in os851 as well, but I'm pretty sure that either olpc-update to os851 or the Software update control panel gave me all-new activities such as Finance, Physics, Stopwatch... one reason I have so little space! == Has anyone else upgrading an XO-1 gotten these extra activities? I think this happened because I had a ~olpc/Activities/.groups that contained http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1 , and I think this means Software update uses http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/10.1 or possibly .../10.1.2, a big list of activities intended for XO-1.5. (The process is explained at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update#Activity_groups.) I've written up a workaround for this problem with XO-1 updates, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Release_notes/10.1.2 , if anyone else is testing updating XO-1s from 8.2.0 , please reply or comment if you're having this problem or not. It seems important enough for the release notes. There are two things that make this problem worse. 1. The name in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/10.1 is G1G1 Activities for OLPC OS 10.1, and this appears in Software update Modify activity groups. It could be usefully changed to Larger set of G1G1 Activities for OLPC OS 10.1. 2. Both Software update and `sugar-control-panel -g available_updates` misrepresent the URL they're using. They both print Fetching http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1...; even though that usually *isn't* the web page they retrieve and use! I filed http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10321 , the fix is in Sugar (cpsection and/or bitfrost) but a partial workaround is to label each subpage of Activities/G1G1/ in greater detail using the activities microformat. Details in the bug report. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC 10.1.2 Release Candidate 3
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:26 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 07:58:37PM -0700, S Page wrote: olpc-update still said `sudo olpc-update 10.1.2_xo1-851` , I assume that's a typo and changed it and the .usb links to 852. I've usually avoided changing that until I've tested it, as part of my role as system test coordinator. Ah, sorry, feel free to revert. It seems odd to tell people to update to an unexplained earlier build number. Maybe change all the numbers but next to each say This update method has not yet been tested with the most recent [/final] build., then over time remove the caveats. -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC 10.1.2 Release Candidate 3
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/10.1.2 http://build.laptop.org/10.1.2/xo-1.5/os852 http://build.laptop.org/10.1.2/xo-1/os852 olpc-update still said `sudo olpc-update 10.1.2_xo1-851` , I assume that's a typo and changed it and the .usb links to 852. Despite having only 69 MB free space on my XO-1, I did the olpc-update from os851. I got some errors (I'll attach output in another e-mail) but the irsync_dirty update succeeded. I now have *more* free space than I did before, perhaps the magic of /versions freed up space because os851 and os852 are closer than 802 and os850. == Activity groups == I notice there's a new activity group, url=http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1Lite I think this was in os851 as well, but I'm pretty sure that either olpc-update to os851 or the Software update control panel gave me all-new activities such as Finance, Physics, Stopwatch... one reason I have so little space! == Has anyone else upgrading an XO-1 gotten these extra activities? If so this seems significant because it really cuts down space. I documented the relationship between G1G1Lite and the other Activities/G1G1 pages on the wiki, I think I got it right. == Release notes == The release notes need to mention big-picture changes like Fedora 9 to Fedora 11, Sugar 0.82.1 to 0.84.16, new firmware, etc. It would be nice if the release notes described the changes since 8.2.1 instead of referring to 10.1.0 and 10.1.1 and intermediate builds. The release notes don't tell you to reboot after olpc-update , though that's the last thing olpc-update prints. And http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Reboot is inaccurate now that the Restart command is gone from the center XO menu in Favorites mode of the Home view. I'll add more release note details in the Talk page as requested. * Disable XO-1 idle-suspend for release due to blockers #10232 and #10233 Oh well. It felt weird to have that sluggish response after the screen dimmed (if this is what caused it), but I was getting used to it. Thanks and congratulations! -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC 10.1.2 Release Candidate 3
Just updated my XO-1.5 to 852 and I now have the battery show up twice in the frame... I didn't notice this on my XO-1 after olpc-update --usb from 802 to os851, and not in my network olpc-update from os851 to os852. -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC 10.1.2 Release Candidate 3
On my XO-1 after olpc-update --usb to os851 and then network olpc-update to os852, I notice almost all my system files are dated 2007-11-02 according to `ls -l`. Things like * /usr/bin/* * /etc/olpc-release * /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31xol-blah (but not the /boot/vmlinuz symlink) * /versions/sticky, many files in /versions/pristine/EITHER_UID/* , etc. Symlinks and directories have today's date, and stuff in ~olpc and /var dates from 2010 as you'd expect. Seeing 2007 everywhere is disconcerting. Does anyone else see this, could it be some issue with olpc-update or rsync? My network olpc-update failed in its pristine attempt and retried the dirty version, I don't know if that's significant. `date` has right time and timezone, `ls -l --time=ctime` or --time=use gives the expected 2010 dates. Weird. -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Software update in OLPC 10.1.2 Release Candidate 2, faster JavaScript
(You didn't actually say you wanted feedback, but you sent this to Testing, and didn't say you didn't. People aren't using http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_group_release_notes any more?) == Software update == You have to scroll sideways in the My Settings panel to expose the Software update and Language control panels. I'm pretty sure someone mentioned this problem with the grid layout already, but I can't find it. What's the search box in My Settings supposed to do? Searching for Software update doesn't bring it into view or highlight it. I mentioned that after Software update my Home view didn't show new and updated activities until I restarted Sugar. dsd has proposed a fix in http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10271 Software update tells me Fetching http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1...; , its Modify activity groups tells me this is the URL for G1G1 Activities for OLPC OS 10.1, and w.l.o. tells me 'This page lists the latest versions of the various activities in the G1G1 activity group for the very latest build'. But http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1 is NOT the list of activities for 10.1! The actual page that's used seems to be http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/10.1 , only this has the new activities like Words and Stopwatch. If that's so, I think the Activities and Activities/G1G1 pages should say something like If you're running OLPC OS release 10.1, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/10.1 lists the activities in the G1G1 set for it and is the list checked by its Software update. I'll make the change if no one disagrees. The Activities/G1G1/10.1 page still says Turtle Art, but the 10.1 release calls it Turtle Blocks, I think http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Turtle_Art_%28latest%29 should mention the name change. On an unrelated pleasant note, I ran Sunspider on 8.2.1 and got a score of 55,109.6 ms. On 10.1.2, my score was 19941.6 ms, 2.76x as fast! XULRunner 1.9 to 1.9.1 was a big jump, it includes the TraceMonkey JavaScript engine from Firefox 3.5. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: olpc-update and 10.1.2
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 2:59 AM, S Page skierp...@gmail.com wrote: but the big problem I have is after Software update none of the new activities showed up in the Home screen in the Favorites ring or List view, and the List view shows the old versions for activities, e.g. Browse 102 not 110. Is this a known issue? All the new versions are sitting in ~/Activities, so I'm not sure why the Home screen has stale info. This sounds like existing bug http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10271 , Home view list view does not change versions after Software update, I added my report. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: olpc-update and 10.1.2
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:04 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: [[`olpc-update --usb`]] Fixed for os851. Excellent, and I can confirm it works for an upgrade from 8.2.1 (build 802). It sounds like olpc-update will take a lot of flash space. Maybe the 10.1.2 notes should say how much you'll need. Will the program tell me there's not enough room? Takes about 350Mb, but it is not practical to explain exactly how much space is required, since it depends on too many factors (other previous olpc-updates in particular). Understood. I had 358MB free on my xo-1 and that wasn't enough. My first `sudo olpc-update --usb` failed with a string of errors, after it exited I had only 16MB free. BTW, Mb means Megabits, you mean MB. Yes, if there's not enough room it stops, and after clearing some room I removed the WikiBrowse activity and some large collections (maybe the release notes should have pointers for how to do this) to free up about 110 MB. it can be asked to continue from where it left off. I'm not sure what you mean, but I simply repeated the command and despite all its temp files and symlinks in /versions, it completed. Now that's good softwarin' ! The next problem is Software update wanted to install 218.8 MB of stuff and I had only 77MB free. I unchecked Wikipedia and WikipediaEN (WikiBrowse Spanish and WikiBrowse English) to save space and updated. So I think the Release notes should say [upgrade] requires roughly *450MB* of free space. And change the second part to be and if you install all the latest activities, Software update downloads about 350MB of material if that's what you are referring to. I found a few minor glitches which I'll e-mail or file Trac tickets, but the big problem I have is after Software update none of the new activities showed up in the Home screen in the Favorites ring or List view, and the List view shows the old versions for activities, e.g. Browse 102 not 110. Is this a known issue? All the new versions are sitting in ~/Activities, so I'm not sure why the Home screen has stale info. Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] backups
Interesting! I think Journal backup to the school server has been a feature since XS 0.4 and Release 8.2, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Blueprints:Datastore_Simple_Backup_and_Restore , and that's what your picture shows. I assume you're referring to the recent Sugar work (I think http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-June/025094.html that has added backup to locally-attached volumes. I think other ways to back up individual Journal items are the copy_from_journal script and dragging items to an attached USB drive in the Journal. I find it hard to figure out what's significant or large in my sporadic Journal use. (BTW, USB key, memory stick, pendrive, thumb drive etc. are all confusing pet names for the actual name which is USB flash drive.) -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: cairo has now 16bit surfaces (was Fwd: rendering-cleanup)
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Tomeu Vizoso tomeu.viz...@collabora.co.uk wrote: This means that graphic operations would be considerably faster on the XO-1 because to date we are rendering to 24bit surfaces that the X server has to convert to 16bit every time. This Cairo change is in 1.9.8 onwards so isn't in the cairo-1.8.8-1.fc11.i586 in XO release 10.1.2. Also, the separate Mozilla bug to allow use of 16-bit surfaces was fixed in June, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545632 , so XULRunner will sometimes use 16-bit surfaces or can be coerced to do so. I don't think the Mozilla fix is in any released XULRunner package. An unrelated Cairo performance issue is whether the pixel scaling of Browse on XO means that the browser's efforts to pixel-align its drawing with Cairo is defeated. Supposedly you can figure this out using cairo_trace, which is available in cairo-tools for 1.9.6 onwards. Fedora packages for Cairo 1.9.10 are available, but it's a development release leading up to the often-delayed 1.10 stable release. -- Forwarded message -- From: Soeren Sandmann sandm...@daimi.au.dk Date: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 15:22 Subject: Re: rendering-cleanup To: Yasushi SHOJI ya...@atmark-techno.com Cc: gtk-devel-l...@gnome.org ... Note that cairo 1.10 (which GTK+ 3.0 will depend on, as I understand), has a client side 565 buffer: CAIRO_FORMAT_RGB16_565. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Images partitioned right? Good USB drives? (Re: Woodhouse on flash storage)
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:10 AM, Mitch Bradley w...@laptop.org wrote: b) If you must construct a fixed partition layout for use on multiple different devices, align each partition on at least a 4MiB boundary. That means that you waste 4M for the partition map (one 512-byte sector padded out to a 4 MiB boundary, but oh well). For devices 2 GiB or less - the previous generation - maybe 1 MiB alignment would be okay, as such devices are likely to have smaller erase blocks. Those numbers seem safe to me. 1. Do the F11 / SoaS overwrite your USB/SD device XO images follow this guideline? cat soas??xo.2gremovable.tar.lzma | lzma -dc - | tar xf - -O /dev/sdX (The way a boot image is created and distributed as multiple monolithic 379+ MB files seems crazy -- surely it's just a collection of files, tweaks to the existing MBR, and some disk partitioning and FS layout requirements. But that's a different discussion. ;-) ) 2. The old Fedora 10 on XO project specifically recommended SanDisk Extreme III SD cards. Can anyone suggest generally-good brands of USB flash drives? (I have a cheap USB flash drive that has gone crazy after two /dev/sdb reblastings; often usb-creator leaves it in a bizarre state and dosfsck reports hundreds of errors it can't repair. Weird.) Thanks for all you do! -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Building a kernel module (Re: Problems compiling bluetooth module)
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Re: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Steven M. Parrishsmparr...@gmail.com wrote:
I have taken over creating builds for the XO1 from Daniel, and have created a
new build of F11 for the XO1.
Thanks! I updated http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 and some
other pages to reflect that Mr. Drake's possibility is reality.
Installation instructions: use copy-nand to install os3.img with os3.crc.
I see you also created an os3.iso. Might that work with Fedora
LiveUSB Creator? (I'm on Kubuntu, I guess I'll try Ubuntu's
usb-creator.)
Can you see if anything from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO is
still relevant and if so copy it over (or let me know). I think that
page can then be marked {{dated}} since
http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/ isn't getting new builds.
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Wiki fixin' (Re: Windows on XO FUD (was: Re: is anyone actually doing Windows on XO work here?)
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:54 AM, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-olpc-de...@silbe.org wrote: Even the OLPC wiki contains links [1] to misleading reports [2] about Windows on the XO without any further, clarifying comment. ... [1] http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Dual-boot Thanks for pointing this out. == Basic Wiki tactics == *Always date wiki statements*! has announced, today, is working on, end of the summer are awful phrases that later turn pages _harmful_ unless they are rooted to a specific month and year. *Before you write anything, assume there's _already_ a page* Besides Dual-boot, there's http://wiki.laptop.org/go/AnnounceFAQ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/MS_FAQ http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Windows *Always categorize* So people can find these other pages. *Don't repeat, link and rewrite* Everyone wants to say things their own way. Don't. Just link to what already exists. If you don't like it, improve it with judicious reorganization, limited additions, and rewriting. == What I did == * I put the definitive lines - - - - The OLPC laptop's firmware has dual-boot capability. It can boot into Windows XP as well as any Linux distribution, including OLPC's own system software featuring the Sugar UI on Fedora Linux. As of July 2009, no large deployment of OLPC laptops is running Windows. - - - - at the top of the Windows article. * Linked to Mitch Bradley's excellent e-mail. * Moved the blather at the top of the Windows article to Announcements * Moved the blather in the Dual-boot article to Various statements and articles from 2008 * added [[Category:MS-Windows]] to all these pages. == To Do == * Update Dual-boot with actual technical details from Mitch's e-mail (unless they're already on the wiki). * Rewrite all the dated will... summer stuff from the MS_FAQ and add the actual reality of dual-booting. * Cite and date Message from Nicholas to the community lists in AnnounceFAQ * Merge anything worth keeping from AnnounceFAQ to MS FAQ, maybe obsolete MS FAQ as well. etc. Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Performance hit while working with screen depth 16
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Btw, the issue of depth transformations have been known in the Geode for quite some time. We didn't switched to 24bpp because of the amount of memory available. Right, and in 8.2.1 xdpyinfo indicates my default screen visual is still RGB 565. AFAIR the problem was that Cairo has no 16bit surfaces on which we could work, The most recent discussion of the issue in the Cairo graphics library is in the threads http://lists.cairographics.org/archives/cairo/2009-June/017400.html and http://www.nabble.com/Bringing-back-the-dead...-RGB16_565-td21622602.html where Cairo expert Behdad says Most of the situations where RGB16_565 may be needed, [cairo_surface_create_similar]() does a better job. If you use this function to create a surface matching your eventual Xlib target window that is 16bpp, Cairo will internally use a 16bpp drawing surface. This technique was discussed on the sugarlabs list in http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2007-April/002373.html and again in December 2008. However many graphics libraries use cairo_image_surface_create() to create a bitmap for rendering independent of the eventual target window . These graphics libraries are willing to provide you a 565 bitmap (saving memory and improving performance) but the explicit CAIRO_FORMAT_RGB16_565 format is still deprecated, despite patches that fix this (see below). so we use 32 (or is it 24?) I dunno, what does GTK on OLPC do? I don't know enough pycairo to check what's going on. and those need to be converted by the X server. I have heard a rumour about someone (OpenMoko? Maemo?) having invested resources in adding 16bit surfaces to Qt so it ran properly on their hardware. Cairo is unrelated to Qt. However, the Maemo project has cairo paches for 565 support, see https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libcairo/debian/patches/003-cairo16bpp.diff and also Mozilla is pushing for a Firefox that works in 16bpp and has similar cairo patches, see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=491357 Staying 16bpp all the way should be a win for memory and performance, it's just a matter of getting all the layers lined up. Prepend AIUI in front of every paragraph I wrote 8-) -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New kernel branch for XO-1 and XO-1.5 development
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Paul Foxp...@laptop.org wrote: plus, no immediate release for the XO-1 is even on the drawing board. D'oh! I would have thought OLPC deployments would want one software release for XO-1 and XO-1.5. Is a single image simply impossible for technical reasons -- different firmware, different NAND flash capacity, different file systems? I understand OLPC has extremely limited resources. Maybe you could provide the raw materials for builds together with scripts that let more expert users turn them into what they need. Given the XO-1.5 packages, an XO-1 kernel, the geode driver, the build scripts and a ton more l33t skillz would I be able to make my own XO-1 image? Regards, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
ASLO vs. wiki.laptop.org activities (was Re: ASLO Suggestion)
[I removed some cc'd lists of which I'm not a member]
Summary: Replacing http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All with
{{obsolete|link=http://activities.sugarlabs.org}}
sounds great to me.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
OLPC has their list (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All) and we
need to get that page to link to ASLO ...
I added a bullet to this and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities :
* http://activities.sugarlabs.org has lots of activities for recent
versions of the [[Sugar]] environment, ''some'' of which may work on
OLPC [[builds]].
..., the information there is uneven
(contains some stillborn/abandonware).
The current split organization is a mess and duplication provides
twice as many opportunities to be wrong. There's a dozen other lists
of all activities on wiki.laptop.org besides the Activities/All
page, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_queries , killing off
some isn't going to hurt. So just be brave and change it to
{{obsolete|link=http://activities.sugarlabs.org}}
Perhaps the easiest fix would
be to link from each Activity position on that page to that Activity's
ASLO page;
Sure, you could replace the fancy activity descriptions on
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/All with a simple link to their
ASLO page.
people searching the Activity population would quickly
understand the different/parallel nature of the OLPC page and ASLO.
If you can understand it, please explain it ;-) Activities/All
claims This is a list of all stable Activities that can be installed
in the latest Sugar., but
* they are NOT all getting updated
* latest Sugar meaning what? OLPC doesn't ship latest Sugar.
As
far as I know, there aren't any issues with the very latest versions
running on XO-1s, would I be correct in assuming this?
You're incorrect. Sugar 0.84 is different from the Sugar 0.82.1 in
OLPC release 8.2.0 and 8.2.1. I understand there are issues for
Browse, Etoys, and Read which depend on libraries and already have
separate latest versions. I assume some other activities have
problems. Unfortunately, most activity pages on a.sl.o and on
wiki.laptop.org don't specify their compatibility clearly, and it's
impossible to tell the difference between Old version NN is still
truly the latest version that works on OLPC's 8.2 and Nobody's
bloody updated this out-of-date info.
Or does OLPC
prefer to identify known good version, the ones updated through the
XO Control Panel?
In OLPC release 8.2.0 and subsequent releases, the Software update
control panel updates installed activities using a complex fallback
mechanism involving *other, separate* pages such as Activities/8.2
and/or Activities/G1G1/8.2 , see
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_update . Those subpages are where
known good version info must live for Software update to work, while
other activity pages are mostly useless out-of-date cruft. Maintaining
all these pages is manual and complicated, see
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Maintaining_activity_web_information , and
for many activities it isn't happening.
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Re: Current Stable OS Install
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Jacob Haddontha...@yahoo.com wrote: I've been digging through laptop.org and fedora wikis, forums and dev lists for this answer and cannot seem to find it. I have a first gen XO (G1G1) and want to install the current stable OS on it. From http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes and the green box on pages like http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Future_releases, Stable: Build 802 (8.2.1) , 2009-05-13 Read http://wiki.laptop.org/go/What_release_am_I_running%3F to see if you are running the latest stable release, both those pages link to it. The 8.2.1 release notes have instructions for upgrading. Can you remember pages on wiki.laptop.org and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ that confused you? Fedora 11 is out, but I cannot seem to find any builds of it, or 10 that seem to work on the XO. Am I missing something? 8.2.1 is I believe still based on Fedora 9. If you want something later, you'll have to run a development/beta build. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Future_releases tries to explain and link to the alternatives, if it doesn't make sense ask away (or edit yourself). -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: ASLO vs. wiki.laptop.org activities
Summary of activity pages on wiki.laptop.org
* I believe Activities/All isn't used for Software_updater info. I
just now marked it obsoleted by ASLO
* Each activity's general info page mostly isn't used for
Software_updater info; developers should put the {{Activity migrated
to sl.o}} template on them and kill off redundant info.
* Activity fragment pages like Activities/Browse_(8.2) and the
activity group pages like Activities/N.N and Activities/G1G1/N.NN that
transclude them are used by Software_updater and developers should
continue to update them as newer versions for 8.2.x come out.
* Maintaining Software_updater's HTML microformat info on ASLO instead
for activities that are not part of any activity group is doable but
not straightforward.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Chris Ballc...@laptop.org wrote:
The Sugar Labs Activities Portal seems to be holding up pretty
well under load. My suggestion would be to start phasing out the
activities pages on w.lt.o
Are you just talking about http://wiki.laptop.org/go/ActivityName, or
the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/* pages too?
My understanding is the software updater still uses the latter pages
Alas there are a lot of pages floating around. e 8.2.x Software
update control panel reads a set of pages with a /NN.N suffix using a
complicated fallback system with bugs. Those pages need to have a
special HTML microformat (class=olpc-activity-blahblah) that
identifies versions and download URLs. See
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_updater
Most activities on w.l.o use a MediaWiki template like
[[Template:Activity-oneline]] to create fragments with the microformat
like http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Browse_(8.2) that the
activity groups transclude, but there's no reason an activity's
update_url can't point to an arbitrary URL with the right info; see
e.g. http://etoys.laptop.org/xo/8.2/.
because there isn't an equivalent in ASLO.
ASLO has the info, but it might be challenging to create the right set
of fallback pages with NN.N suffixes and the microformat HTML.
Is that right? (SoaS
includes the software updater, so we shouldn't break it by removing
those pages before there's an ASLO equivalent.)
I dunno if SoaS has software updater.
Depending on what you mean by those pages, see summary above.
Although Activities/All has the microformat in it, I don't think any
activity specifies it. I guess some users might have chosen Modify
activity groups to point to Activities/All in order to download a
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Re: new content bundle
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Rodolfo D. Arce S.rodolfoa...@eyuhoo.com wrote: I managed to create a bundle.xol but when i can't find the procedure to install it.. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Collections#Installing_one_collection , I just added instructions for installing from USB flash drive and confirmed it works in OLPC 8.2.x. What software release are you running? i can manually install it by unziping, but i want to be able to put it on the schoolserver and get the kids to install from there That also works fine for me in OLPC release 8.2.0/8.2.1. Make sure the web server specifies the right mime type for .xol, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_a_collection#Bundle_hosting another thing.. Although i can access the files from within the file system file:///home/olpc/Library/content/index.html i can't seem to be able to put it on the index page of the browser so kids could access from the menu, That should happen automatically during content bundle installation in OLPC releases with OLPC Library as the Browse home page, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Library#Developers:_How_it_works. Are you running a different language? Maybe it doesn't work in other languages. This feature doesn't work in Sugar Labs releases, http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/574 filed. (My understanding is Sugar Labs plans unification of library and Journal and/or a dedicated Library activity). Hope this helps, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Development of XO-1.5 software release started
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: A small group of us have started working on the software release for the XO-1.5, based on Fedora 11. Some details here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_1.5 Is this the same 8.2.x software release described in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO-1.5 ? -- We also expect the Gen 1.5 machines to ship with an OLPC 8.2.x software release, modified to support Gen 1.5's new hardware but otherwise unchanged from the current production software release and compatible with our current software in the field. I.e. is us we ? :-) Bon voyage,, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Browse page with full-sized images crashes Browse and Firefox, it seems partly a wiki.laptop.org issue
or Browse no browse Browse :-) Visit http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Browse in either Browse or Firefox on 8.2.1 and your laptop will lock up and minutes later Browse will die. This is mentioned in comments on http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8278 and http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8719 If you use Firefox's Tools Page Info Media and scroll through the list of images, you see that the page has dozens of full-sized screenshots, all around 1,200 x 900 px, that the browser scales to tiny thumbnails according to the img tag's width and height. But that's not how Mediawiki is supposed to work. If a page on wikipedia.org calls for a thumbnail of a large image, it contains a reference to a pre-shrunk image rather than the original full-size image. E.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#End-user_features has a thumbnail of a screenshot. So the image it references is http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Windows_Explorer_Vista.png/180px-Windows_Explorer_Vista.png which is 180px wide, rather than the full-size original http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Windows_Explorer_Vista.png Somehow wiki.laptop.org doesn't create thumbnails, it seems to only refer to the originals. I reopened bug 8278 and e-mail this to OLPC sysadmin. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing has the configuration instructions. Could this thumbnail problem be related to the wiki.laptop.org's ImageMagick failures on the large SVGs http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Olpc-deployments-20090515.svg ? The XO should be able to deal with complex image-heavy pages on the web better. I guess it's allocating memory close to a limit, then OLPC's bad out-of-memory behavior kicks in. Why can't the O.S. kill Browse faster instead of locking up for minutes? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap/Memory_pressure references previous e-mail threads on this subject. Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: wrong Activity versions for 8.2(.1) -- Etoys, Memorize, Terminal, Read, others
BUG: Software update in OLPC release 8.2.1 doesn't attempt to read 8.2.1 versions of files such as http://etoys.laptop.org/xo/8.2.1 because, I think, nobody updated /etc/olpc-release ! /etc/olpc-release contains 8.2, and if you read bitfrost/update/actinfo.py's get_major_version(), that's the wrong content and leads to the wrong behavior: get_os_version() = 802 get_release_version() = 8.2 should be 8.2.1 get_major_version()= None should be 8.2 Bug #8022 was filed about this for Release 8.2.0 but not fixed, I filed a similar bug for 8.2.1, http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9317 Also, the progress output of Software update is *incredibly* misleading, it says Fetching http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1 when in fact it is probably retrieving a different URL with a build or release part tacked on. And then it seems to read variations of update_url from activity.info, and and possibly repeatedly reads http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities , but none of this is its log or debug output. As I remark in bug 9317, I think a workaround would be for the Etoys team to create http://etoys.laptop.org/xo/802 , as 802 is the build number of Release 8.2.1. Software update tries the update URL with /802 on the end before anything else. Bert Fruedenberg wrote Besides, most of its functionality is provided by the etoys glucose module which is not a downloadable activity. Activity version 94 is virtually identical to version 101. So maybe it's not worth bothering to address this just for Etoys. If and when other activities need a special 8.2.1 version, the problem will recur. I wrote I believe Software update on 8.2.x determines the latest versions from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 I added a bunch of debug prints to bitfrost and updater.py and for the G1G1 activity group on 8.2.1 Software update actually tries http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/802 (no such URL currently) It *should* try http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2.1 , but doesn't. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 (succeeds and it uses this info) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1(next it would have tried this) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_updater is quite vague on what happens when there is more than one set of URLs that might have update info for an installed activity. I *think* an installed activity.info's activity_url (if it has one) wins out, then the G1G1 activity group, and if an activity doesn't have an activity_url and isn't in the activity group, then Software update reads the set of URLs for http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities (and finds only http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities, which mostly transcludes Activities/G1G1/8.2). -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
the return of XO screen pulses after standby
Back in September 14 2008 I initiated the thread 'XO screen pulses after standby, OOM afterwards'. http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-September/019212.html That was on build 759, and the consensus/hope was bug #8301 fixed it in build 760. It just happened again with 8.2.1 (build 802). The laptop was in standby, I pressed the power key, the screen flickered on (showing Browse) and then off. I can't remember if my XO-1 had gone into standby on its own or whether I had pressed the power key. If I press the power key the screen flickers on a second or two later, but but immediately turns off. It's plugged in, both radio LEDs are off, battery LED is green, the power LED flashes every 4 seconds. If I press any key the power LED flickers. :-( I tried pgf's trick of pressing a key in the split-second the screen is on, and after twenty attempts I got the screen to stay on. top says 218428k used, 9980k free, 66264k cach. ps_mem.py shows a 14MB journal, 14 MB terminal, 23MB sugar-shell, and 52MB Browse (rainbow-daemon) total 148.4MiB RAM used. Is this again an OOM situation? It is really horrible for usability. No problem should ever make a charged XO-1 turn off its display! Should I reopen http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8490 , or file a new bug? I captured dmesg log and shell.log. Shell.log has several Python tracebacks in Meshbox.py. It's hard to tell when they happened because of numeric timestamps, how do I convert these to a date time? -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
wrong Activity versions for 8.2(.1) -- Etoys, Memorize, Terminal, Read, others
XO's running 8.2.0 and 8.2.1 (thus Sugar 0.82.1) can use the Software
update control panel to update an activity group of activities and
collections. I believe Software update on 8.2.x determines the latest
versions from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2
Unfortunately these version numbers are independent of the bundles
pointed to by activity pages and their semantic info, let alone newer
versions on http://activity.sugarlabs.org. People recently fixed
Browse, but after running Software update to upgrade my 8.2.1
activities to latest version, I noticed several other discrepancies:
1. Software update doesn't update to latest version for 8.2.
Etoys at 94, but its web page's Activity_version says 98
== Someone should update http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Etoys_(8.2) !?
== http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4030
is up to 100, but doesn't list a version for Sugar 0.82
Memorize at 28 and its web page's Activity_version says 28, but
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4063 says v.30 works
for Sugar 0.82
== Someone should update
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Memorize_(8.2) and
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Memorize_(latest)
Read at 56, web page Activity_version says 52 and 61, and
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4028
doesn't list a version for Sugar 0.82.
== What is the latest Read version that works for 8.2.0?
Terminal at 18, but the web page's Activity_version says 19
== Someone should update
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Terminal_(8.2) !?
== http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4043
doesn't list a version for Sugar 0.82
Turtle Art is at 10, web page doesn't identify a tested release.
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4027 is
all the way to version 51 but doesn't list a version for Sugar 0.82
2. Activity updates to a later version than its wiki.laptop.org web page
IMO just delete redundant and out-of-date info on wiki.laptop.org.
Blank out the activity_version and OBX xobundle info for the activity,
and use
the {{activity migrated to sl.o}} template as Aleksey has been doing.
See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Maintaining_activity_web_information
Browse at 102, web page Activity_version says its 98
also the web page's lang pootle links redirect to sugarlabs w/ bad
https and broken rewrite
TamTamEdit at 50, Mini at 49, SynthLab at 51; web page
Activity_version versions are 1 less than those.
3. Activities/G1G1/8.2 mis-identifies the version for 8.2 as (latest).
Sometimes http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 has the right
version for 8.2, but misidentifies it as the latest version when
activities.sugarlabs.org has something much more recent. The fix is
to change this page to pull in the (8.2) fragment.
4. I didn't grind through every versions page on
activities.sugarlabs.org. If your activity has a more recent version
than what's listed here that works on 8.2.1/Sugar 0.82, please update
its fragment.
Here's the set of versions on my XO-1 running 8.2.1 after Software update:
Analyze.activity 8
Browse.activity 102
Calculate.activity 25
Chat.activity48
Distance.activity14
Etoys.activity 94
Firefox-6.activity6 (not in Activities/G1G1)
Help.activity10
Implode.activity 5
Log.activity 16
Maze.activity 6
Measure.activity 21
Memorize.activity28
Moon.activity10
Paint.activity 23
Pippy.activity 30
Read.activity56
Record.activity 59
Ruler.activity3
Scratch.activity 12
Speak.activity9
TamTamEdit.activity 50
TamTamJam.activity 51
TamTamMini.activity 49
TamTamSynthLab.activity 51
Terminal.activity18
TurtleArt.activity 10
WikipediaEN.activity 4
Write.activity 60
5. There are many other activities not part of the G1G1 activities
group that are out-of-date on wiki.laptop.org. For example,
Colors! web page Activity_version says its 13, but
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addons/versions/4050 says
version 15 is latest. Again, I think blanking it out and indicated
the version for Sugar 0.82 on Activities.sugarlabs.org's See All
Versions is the way to go.
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Re: Problems with soas
I've never known a USB flash drive not to come partitioned, otherwise how would malware writers propagate their code? ;-) . Perhaps your USB flash drive had the evil U3 screw-up software installed? See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/USB_drive#USB_drives_and_firmware which has a link to remove it. You don't say what kind of machine you're booting. That same section says For the flash drive to be compatible with [XO-1] firmware, make sure that your USB flash drive is formatted as FAT or FAT32, Partitions bigger than 2 GB can't use FAT16, so they usually come formatted as FAT32. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
problems (Re: Announcing Fedora 11 Beta for XO)
Here's a build of the F11 beta release for XO: Here's my experience on an XO-1 with q2e33 firmware, booting it from an 8GB SD card made withLiveUSB Creator from the 20090403.iso file. I don't repeat all the issues mentioned at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO such as pressing checkmark to boot. Fairly late in the boot I get a Gnome-like alert on a black screen: There is a problem with the configuration server (/libexec/gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256) (cjb commented weird, probably a new rawhide bug) After choosing Sugar and login, I get the same alert again, then I'm dumped back to the login screen. I have no .sugar directory in /home/liveuser, so no logs. I didn't see a keyboard chooser on the login screen in this build, I wonder if that's related. Also the login prompt invited me to choose a language but there was no language chooser. I clicked the yellow triangle on the login screen for boot errors, there was one: Starting Avahi daemon... [FAILED] I logged in again, choosing Gnome startup. That gave me the same error, but I wasn't kicked back to the login screen like Sugar. On the Greek temple desktop, I got two alerts: * about battery trouble along the lines of Couldn't make sense of your battery charge. * Nautilus could not create the following required folders: /home/liveuser/Desktop, /home/liveuser/.nautilus. (They don't exist, but /home/liveuser is drwx-- owner liveuser group liveuser. Weird) After dismissing these, I just stare at the Greek temple; no icons, no menu bar, not even a mouse cursor. There are various dot files in /home/liveuser, but nothing that looks like a log. To return to the login screen, in a VT console I entered init 3, got the Starting Avahi daemon... [FAILED] again. Then init 5, got the same error. The display went back to booting with pretty much the same behavior with There is a problem with the configuration server alerts, but still no mouse cursor. I powered off and tried again. This time I noticed a brief error line, something about problems with imem size?, before the boot process bar appeared. Other than that the behavior was the same. Should I try the `zcat 2009403.bootable.gz /dev/sdX` approach instead of LiveUSB Creator? Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Announcing Fedora 11 Beta for XO
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, that's what I am thinking of doing. Is there stuff that is known to be 'broken' on the XO? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO#Known_issues , edit away.It also links to the Sugar Labs Testing pages for SoaS images. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.2.1 WPA testing
Javier Cardona wrote: In addition to this, there are two important wireless fixes in 8.2.1: #7825 and #9048. The first one is a failure to associate to fast Access Points when WPA is enabled. #7825 wasn't mentioned in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.1#Bug_fixes , I added it. Cheers, -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: What to expect from developers, are there any left? (was Re: rotate button sucks on the XO)
NoiseEHC wrote: I do not even know where to look for log files to attach to a bug report. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Reporting_bugs points you to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Attaching_Sugar_logs_to_tickets 2. I can reliably (100%) trigger the cannot connect to WPA and the dialog asks for a password endlessly bug but unfortunately I do not know how to debug that thing. To tell you the truth I do not even know where to look for the code of NetworkManager I've seen useful output in /var/log/messages. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: getting mp3 sound working w/ Gnash easily
A long time ago Carlos Nazareno wrote: Can we make step-by-step instructions getting mp3 sound working with Gnash an urgent priority? An instruction for dummies, if you will. I haven't tried the complicated codec installation instructions in http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8982#comment:27 for 8.2.0. However, FWIW I just purchased the Fluendo MP3 decoder for $0 and installation on 8.2 on my XO was pretty straightforward if you're moderately familiar with the command line. Now I can play .mp3 files in Browse and Totem and _some_ Flash animations have sound in Gnash (http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8504). Playing an MP3 from a USB flash drive, Browse/totem/gst all stop playing for several seconds every 30 seconds or so. I'm not sure why. I updated http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Fluendo_mp3_decoder with my instructions to install the codec and modify Browse's mimetypes. An expert can attempt rewriting them for dummies ;-) . If anyone gets a FOSS MP3 codec installed and working, the place to document it is http://wiki.laptop.org/go/GStreamer#MP3 . -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Wireless test results
Early in 8.2.1 testing I wrote * By the time I allowed Software update to run I was connected to my wireless access point (with WEP security). but I've been noticing that after I return from standby (a tap of power button to suspend, another tap back to resume) I usually *don't* get reconnected to my starred access point. In the frame there's no ( [AP circle icon] ), just a pulsing gray mesh. Sometimes if I bring up the frame while in an activity it'll reconnect, but usually not. If I switch to neighborhood view (where my starred AP appears) and switch back, then usually the mesh icon in the frame will be replaced by my ( [AP circle icon] ). I don't have to click my AP icon in Neighboryhood view, the system seems to just straighten out and re-connect. Once it's working, it stays working until I next go into standby. I never have to re-enter my 128-bit WEP password. My AP is a very old Linksys BEFW11 S4 router. I'm now running candidate-800 Q2E33, recently upgraded from Q2E30 Should I file a Trac ticket? The Friends in testing page asks us to test wireless, but doesn't say anything more than that, such as what logs to enable or look at. Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OS/X11 support for XO-1 hardware?
Hal Murray wrote: Is there anything I can do on my XO running terminal so that when I ssh to another system and run a text based X program the fonts will come out useable without a magnifying glass? If you RTFA, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Terminal_Activity has a Change font size in the Terminal Activity section; its steps worked for me in Terminal v.18 on candidate 800. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
getting the truth about future releases onto wiki.laptop.org
9.1.0 is cancelled, joyride does not incorporate latest Sucrose, O.S.
development is taking place elsewhere. Such adjustments have made big
chunks of wiki.laptop.org deceptive. AFAIK, no one has put this change
in direction on the wiki (?!), so I jumped in.
* I started with http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Future_releases , adding a
new section
== Next-generation releases will not come from OLPC ==
based around NN's QA statement. I added a subsection pointing to the
most promising replacements (~cjb/rawhide and SugarLabs' SoaS XO
images), with a not ready caveat.
IMO, the Future_releases page should continue to be the definitive
statement about future releases (duh). The wiki has thousands of
half-hearted ill-maintained pages, it doesn't need more.
I have adjusted some misleading pages, always linking back to [[Future
releases]] so as to avoid populating lots of pages with info that's
subject to change.
* In the Devel line of the Latest Releases green box I put a Read
note! link.
* In http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Joyride I added a section
=== Joyride is not producing usable releases ===
* I marked http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0 as obsolete, saying
A specific 9.1.0 release from OLPC is not going to happen,
linking to Ed McNierney's public statement in
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-February/023079.html
(I did the same in the 9.1.0 section of Future releases.)
* In http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images#Development_builds I indicated
the change in approach and de-emphasized joyride.
== TO DO ==
* Find and adjust many other misleading pages.
* I'm not sure what to do with the big swath of 9.1.0 Future
features/roadmap pages and subpages.
* Can someone with rights please update http://dev.laptop.org/roadmap to
add a prominent link to [[Future releases]] and kill off the dead
milestones.
* Is the Joyride stream obsolete rather than temporarily not working as
designed?
* If there are specific XO features that are going away in this new
world (e.g. Rainbow, Bitfrost, olpc-update, the Software update Sugar
control panel, press O to revert to previous image, ?), they should be
listed in a new Not applicable section of
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Enabling_XO_features_on_other_distributions
and their wiki pages somehow flagged with a {{does not apply in new
world}} template.
* Is this janitorial work in the ruins a waste of time better served by
wholesale page deletions?
Thanks for all you do, and I look forward to the next-generation Linux
distributions with Sugar running on my XO.
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a Pippy equivalent for JavaScript + canvas
Don't bet against the browser part XIV: Looking at the Pippy Python graphics code examples, they remind me of some of the bits of canvas tag programming around the net. So one could imagine bundling a JavaScript editor with some glue HTML and making a Pippy equivalent. It's been done, http://billmill.org/static/canvastutorial/ It runs in good browsers (i.e. anything but IE), and thus mostly runs in Browse v.98 on 8.2.1! It uses the CodeMirror interactive textarea with syntax coloring. In some ways it's better than Pippy, because the code and window are on the same page so the edit-run loop is tighter. The whole tutorial could be packaged as a downloadable .xol collection. It's using the jQuery library which could and should be factored out for the XO since browser incompatibilities aren't a factor. Fantasizing, maybe the Disqus online login in its Comments tab could be replaced by XO collaboration and a pink pony. Interactive animation is slow on the XO, but if and when Browse gets updated to XULRunner 1.9.1 and picks up TraceMonkey, the JavaScript will get faster. Maybe newer cairo (8.2.1 has cairo 1.6.4) will speed up the graphics. Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84 Release Candidate 1 (0.83.5)
(Oops, I left OLPC devel off the recipients. There's a similar thread on IAEP, How to upgrade XOs to Sugar 0.84?, http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-February/004063.html . So many mailing lists!) Simon Schampijer wrote: Dear Sugar Community, This is Release Candidate 1 for the upcoming 0.84 Release - see [1] for more details. Only two more weeks to go in this release cycle. Please test this release How? I have an XO-1 with developer key. Back in January Gary C Martin wrote in Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release , FWIW: I've been reasonably successfully running joyride 2631 on an XO for a few days now, and it seems to have all the 0.83.4 Sugar feature freeze changes in. but the latest joyride (build 2654 dated 2009-02-14 -- Valentine's day :-) ) hasn't got these newer Sugar packages, see http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride-pkgs.html Maybe that's to be expected since Daniel Drake wrote in Re: joyride, staging builds, sugar releases: [Joyrides =] Obsolete, but not really obsoleted by anything usable *yet*. Should I just bunzip/untar the newer sugar packages on my XO? I couldn't find any guide to doing this on sugarlabs.org (surely there must be one!?), and are there permission-security-/versions/pristine issues unique to the XO in doing this? And are the sugar packages compatible with joyride or with the 8.2.1 candidate-800 build, or both? NN said in the *very* interesting http://blog.laptop.org/2009/02/05/q-a-from-xo-camp/ : OLPC will move to a Linux desktop that will run Sugar as an application So should I ignore OLPC's OS images and instead try one of the XO Linux distributions that includes Sugar? I looked around and couldn't figure out whether Fedora rawhide still has problems on XO, whether DebXO has Sucrose 0.84, etc. Marco Pesenti Gritti announced Fwd: Another Soas image for the XO, but the latest image at http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/xoimages/ predates this Sucrose release. Daniel Drake went on to say As for the future, the hope is that we will have a similarly-functional OS that includes the latest version of sugar asap. OLPC is working with Fedora on this, and while I suspect that the end result will be pushed as a reference OS by OLPC, there are also some other efforts ..., including debXO, and a possibility of the community taking the 8.2 OS release and adding sugar-0.84 and some other things as an intermediate step before the pure-Fedora builds are suitable replacements. However, I personally think that all of these efforts are 6-12 months away (at least) from producing something adoptable by deployments. But there's a mismatch between sugarlabs' only two more weeks to go in this release cycle. Please test and OLPC's 6-12 months away. Thanks for any suggestions. (Normally this is where I pledge to update wiki.laptop.org with whatever people say, but if joyride is obsolete and 9.1.0 is dead, then a lot of pages on the wiki are misleading and I'm not sure where to start.) -- =S Page P.S. belated Valentine's day: XO-1 3 XOXO @}-`-,-- ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XOIRC migrated to Sugar Labs (as IRC Activity)
Mel Chua wrote:
The IRC activity (XoIRC) has been moved to the Sugar Labs
infrastructure.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XoIRC still points to laptop.org for bundle,
source, POT. Several other migrated activities likewise have incorrect
wiki.laptop.org pages.
You *could* follow
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Maintaining_activity_web_information to update
the various bits and pieces on wiki.laptop.org, but it probably makes
more sense to replace the page with just a
{{Migrated to sl.o| http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/irc |
http://addons.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4029 }}
[[Category:Activities]]
I think only activities in an activity group or with an update URL
pointing to wiki.laptop.org still need information on w.l.o.
But what do others think?
I tried it out on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XoIRC , and modified the
{{Migrated to sl.o}} template so you can give it two URLs.
http://addons.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4029
That is awesome!
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Re: power consumption after shutdown
I made http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Troubleshooting_Battery#Tips but you folks can do a much better edit. In q2e32 I've pulled in some of my batman.fth stuff. I noted this in the same page's batman.fth section. -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
maintaining activity web information
(Please forward to whatever the sugar activity mailing list is.) There's a lot of activity information on wiki pages to maintain, I couldn't find any documentation on how to maintain it all. So I wrote http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Maintaining_activity_web_information based on how activities like Etoys are set up. I added a section about the fields to update when you migrate your activity to SugarLabs. I think it's accurate, edit away if not. It's clearly *way too much work* because of overlapping redundant info. Perhaps this is why many activity web pages and Activities/Another_list have out-of-date info. Maintenance should be much simpler. I have specific ideas how to get there, but I'm not even clear where the info should live. I think there has to be one web site where you can browse all activities, but is that site wiki.laptop.org or sugarlabs.org (or git.sugarlabs.org)? -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Activities migration status
Ed McNierney wrote: On the other hand, anyone working on Sugar efforts such as Activity development should be encouraged to put all those efforts under the Sugar Labs roof where they can be more readily available to the entire Sugar community (not just the OLPC portion of it). Then http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Project_hosting is obsolete. What's the equivalent page on sugarlabs.org? Parts of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_an_activity are also out-of-date. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Interoperation with other non-sugar software
Tiago Marques wrote: I have used some none XO standard software in my XO, from HTOP to Opera. The one thing these programs have in common is the need to have the F keys available for proper usability. Does anyone think it's feasible to have the F keys mapped to their functions mapped to their standard action(?), instead of the Sugar specific functions, when pressing them together with the Fn key? I've never done Linux key mapping, I have no idea how to do this. If someone thinks this can be done, please say so, as I'm interested in giving it a go. There might be information elsewhere, but http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Enabling_XO_features_on_other_distributions talks about the mix of key bindings and hardcoded key actions in Sugar. As always, add what you known and improve the wiki. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
optimized Geode code (was Re: OLPC upgrades)
Tiago Marques wrote: That software is still not compiled for the Geode LX, which further slows it down. As you say, everything uses CPU on the Geode. Things like decompressing can be made, probably, a lot faster just by using compiler optimizations. Has this been considered in any way for future releases? From my professional experience, compiler optimizations can account for 10-30% (or more) free performance. It seems the binaries in the OLPC OS image are just generic 386 arch binaries. (Is there a way to definitively tell? A build log like http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/xo-1/streams/joyride/latest/devel_jffs2/build.log is unclear.) This is the case even in the jffs2 OS images that will never be used on anything but the stable XO hardware (or in emulation, which AIUI already requires AMD CPU emulation because of the tuned kernel). So every OLPC and activity binary should be compiled with -mtune=geode (optimized for Geode, but still runs on any i386), and in jffs2 images they should be compiled with -march=geode (only runs on Geode). (Should as in I'd like a pink pony too ;-) .) I assume this is what GentooXO does, http://www.gentooxo.org/features.shtml https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/118 is the tracking ticket, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Geode_optimization_effort the page. Thanks for all you do, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Video Playback
Carlos Dario Isaza Zamudio wrote: 2) What codecs can i install on the built in totem? how can i install them, ive tried several things through terminal but there's no related package over there, or is there? One inaccurate way to see what codecs Totem/GStreamer thinks are available is enter about:plugins in Browse. As http://wiki.laptop.org/go/GStreamer#Adding_codecs says, Release 8.2.0 uses an old backported version of GStreamer, so most web guides to installing additional codec support will not work A few months ago the wiki was full of approaches to adding codecs from livna and fusion and whatever that *don't work* on release 8.2.0. If you see such and it doesn't work, flag it, e.g. : These steps don't work with release [[8.2.0]] -- I see http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8982 around comment 27 has a possible workaround for adding MP3 support to GStreamer/Totem/Browse. If you try it, use the Talk:GStreamer page for your experience. (not enough hours in a weekend! ...) -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Notes from an impromptu 8.2.1 Release Mtg.
I updated from 8.2.0 build 767 to staging-27 with `sudo -v -v -v olpc-update staging-27` and it all went very smoothly! IMO, the expired http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing/banner should be updated to staging-27 from staging-25 Good stuff -- * Restart from Home view worked (sometimes I have to go into a console and press keys to complete shutdown, but not this time) * Two startup chimes (I assume one was installing the new firmware) * By the time I allowed Software update to run I was connected to my wireless access point (with WEP security). * Software update offered no new activities (I had ran it the day before on build 767). Build : 27 Firmware : CL1 Q2E30 Q2E Libertas : 5.110.22.p23 Medium serious bugs --- Build '27' is confusing, especially when About my XO doesn't show your release or stream (Trac 8260). I updated the What release am I running? wiki page to mention this stream. In Sugar control panel Language, Swedish (Sweden) was highlighted! Sure enough, in the bash shell, LANG is set to sv_SE.utf8. I'm pretty sure I never chose that, and other settings like Date Time were unchanged. Has anyone else noticed Language changing? Why didn't Software update install the newer Browse (v.101 ?) that according to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.1#Bug_fixes addresses ticket #9112 Enable Browse to embed PDF files in itself A few minor things -- I see a [Discard network history] button in the Network panel, I didn't notice this before but I think it was in 8.2.0. The 8.2.0 manual http://www.laptop.org/8.2.0/manual/XO_Troubleshooting.html should mention this. In the Home view ring view, when I hide the frame (by moving away from a corner or pressing the Frame key), the very edge of the frame flickers white a few times. I didn't notice this before. Please please create Trac version Build 767 (8.2.0) (Trac bug 8904). Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: OLPC upgrades
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: Since you're looking at making a gentoo-based sugar distro, you might find http://gitorious.org/projects/sugar-gentoo useful :) Please update http://sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Gentoo , which lists a similar overlay project http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/sugar.git by Aleksey Lim. Maybe you could mention differences or work together. -- Sent from my mobile device ... with its patented top-post and include the entire message thread with no changes so every reader must scroll through it to see if you made other comments UI 8-/ Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
keyboard handling (was Re: OLPC where to go development advice.)
Summary: I updated
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Enabling_XO_features_on_other_distributions
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Keyboard_shortcuts
and several other pages, but mysteries remain.
p...@laptop.org usefully responded:
I have zero clue where to find the keymapping
file or configuration utility.
i just booted ubuntu to see how they do it -- turns out it's easy.
they use a program called xbindkeys to bind all of the special XO
keys. the configuration for that is in /home/olpc/.xbindkeysrc -- you'll
see an entry in there that invokes /usr/bin/rotate_screen.py.
I added this to
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Enabling_XO_features_on_other_distributions
Folks, this is the page where distros note their tweaks for the benefit
of humanity.
I think Sugar doesn't use that technique. The same page points to
http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=sugar;a=blob;f=src/jarabe/view/keyhandler.py;hb=HEAD
, but what hooks this code to keyboard events?
BTW, keyhandler.py also lists some nifty undocumented equivalents for
some of the XO's buttons and keys:
# the following are intended for emulator users
'altshiftf' : 'frame',
'altshiftq' : 'quit_emulator',
'altshifto' : 'open_search',
'altshiftr' : 'rotate',
'altshifts' : 'say_text'
and indeed, altshiftf/o/r work on my XO in 8.2.0. I couldn't find
any documentation for these, so I added them to the table in
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Keyboard_shortcuts and mentioned them in
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Emulating_the_XO/Help_and_tips#How_to
Tomeu wrote
It's sugar who listens for the keycode 0xEB and asks xrandr to rotate
the screen.
According to
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ec_specification#KeyCodes_for_Buttons , the
keycode for rotate are make=0x69, break=0xE9. How do these become 0xEB?
I tried all the xkb* command-line programs to find the keymap, it seems that
xmodmap -pk
shows it. But it doesn't show anything relevant to the special buttons
around the screen, I guess because they aren't part of the keyboard itself.
The olpc keyboard mappings in /usr/share/X11/xkb/*/olpc do map several
XO keys to keysyms, e.g.
key I147 { [ XF86TaskPane ] }; // frame key (the top-right key)
but I think Sugar doesn't use the keysym, it looks directly for the key
or its keystroke equivalent. It seems the olpc X11 keyboard mappings
are to make the XO-1's keys mean something when running other desktop
environments than Sugar.
Keyboard handling is spread across lots of subsystems and pages, I'll
improve them with any information I receive.
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Re: Notes from an impromptu 8.2.1 Release Mtg.
Michael Stone wrote: ... how to push 8.2.1 a few inches closer to release. The main conclusion that we reached after we updated http://dev.laptop.org/report/38 was that staging-9 [1] needs some testing! http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing still points to staging-7 and says The 8.2.1 build is currently identical to 8.2.0. ??! The instructions in Friends in testing say Clean-install the #Build under test, but I tried olpc-update from 8.2.0 anyway. `sudo olpc-update staging-9` gives I don't think the requested build number exists. `sudo olpc-update -v -v -v -v -v --latest=staging` gives Querying http://antitheft.laptop.org/antitheft/1/; (that's all) Is olpc-update possible, or are the instructions correct? :) -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: get developer key - gfx glitch on submit button
Carlos Nazareno wrote: On 2 XOs I tested, running 767, whenever I go to the request developer key page in the browse activity, the SUBMIT button has vertical stripes of randomly colored pixels running across 'em. You should have searched Trac for stripe or submit button :) http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7830 : defect: submit button in file:///home/.devkey.html looks weird, stripey (new) and http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8760 (reopened) : Web form button graphic for requesting a developer key is corrupt with a workaround in the former. -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Activities migration status
Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote: Today I went through dev.laptop.org/git http://dev.laptop.org/git identifying those projects that contain Sugar activities. http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus Still remaining is to go through Activities/All (and code.google.com http://code.google.com, personal sites, etc) and find those activities which do not have d.l.o repositories. The list is *massive*. I had no idea we had so many cool activities in various stages of development! I'm not sure what you're doing, but if you want activities... When the call went out for activities for 9.1.0 I put all the meta-lists of activities in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0#Lists_of_possible_candidate_activities That links to some interesting queries in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_queries : * 45 pages with a Devel status * 116 pages that appear to have an activity bundle * 310 pages in Category:Activities in the main namespace. and I'm sure there are more activities that lack a page on on wiki.laptop.org -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: HTML-based/Browser apps (was Re: anti-cheating)
Carlos Nazareno wrote: You can go with Processing (http://www.processing.org/) but Java is a bit problematic on the XO. Heh, http://ejohn.org/blog/processingjs/ is the Processing language running in a canvas. Works on XO, slowly. (I hope XULRunner 1.9.1 with the Tracemonkey JIT shows up in joyrunner builds.) Why put yourself through unnecessary pain with the HTML5/Javascript/CSS/SVG/whathaveyouforaudiovideowebcam combo? Add to that the added headache of the standards fragmented browser landscape. There is no fragmentation, the XO ships with XULRunner. Flash gets the job done, and gets it done easy. I worked at Macromedia for 9 years, I know well of Flash's many benefits, and many downsides for OLPC. Rather than debate it, if there's Flash content relevant to OLPC's mission, mention it on the wiki. A few days ago I added a brief mention of the SWF format to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image_file_formats before I noticed someone had already put it under List of objectionable formats on the talk page; I don't care deeply either way. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: HTML-based/Browser apps (was Re: anti-cheating)
Sameer Verma wrote: E.g. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/FindTheCountry -- why bother with crappy static PDF atlases when interactive technology like that is available? And you can View Source it! This is one of the coolest things I've seen in a long time!!! This is definitely going down in the SVG examples section for my class in Spring. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/SVG#Resources also lists * http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/samples/canvas.shtml is code to show/hide map layers. With advanced HTML you can imagine scalable interactive SVG maps, science texts with interactive JavaScript + canvas physics simulations (like the WIMS stuff but running in the browser), biology texts with layers that show and hide different anatomical systems... All with quiz modules that work offline and online. Unfortunately collaborative editing on wiki pages and Flossmanuals doesn't support that level of interactivity, and the people with skills to do it are rare. -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
HTML-based/Browser apps (was Re: anti-cheating)
Carlos Nazareno wrote: - I'd also like to see more work done on a method to easily bundle Gnash or HTML-based/Browser applications as stand-alone activities, or at least launch the browser with the wrapped activity loaded upon startup. See the Help activity in 8.2.0, it instantiates the WebView from hulahop that underlies Browse and points it at help/XO_Introduction.html. But is it so bad to make your HTML-based application an installable collection that shows up in the OLPC Library navigation on the Browse home page? See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_a_collection. Just because most library content is static non-interactive ebook material is no reason really cool browser apps shouldn't go in the OLPC Library. One thing that might make collections more appealing and feel like applications is if the collection's library.info icon (which seems otherwise unused?!) or the web site's favicon would appear in the Journal instead or as well as the generic globe icon of Browse. I filed a confused ticket #9188 for this enhancement. - Using a local daemon or service of some sort, the method I previously outlined can also be used here for standalone mode of the tests. This way, the learner can also practice with them and learn outside of class hours. The WikiBrowse activity (WikipediaEN.activity on G1G1 8.2 laptops) starts a local python Web server and fires up a WebActivity (Browse) instance pointing at it. Better, Browse's engine is XULRunner 1.9 and it has support for most of the HTML 5 offline application spec http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-20080122/#offline. E.g. http://starkravingfinkle.org/projects/offline/todo.html is an expanding form you can fill out while offline that will update the web server when next online. It should work on an XO (I can't try it, my wireless router is bust! :-( ). I concur with where you're going. *Never* ever bet against the browser. Browse or a custom WebView activity can do everything that Firefox 3 can do, without worrying about compatibility with abysmal MS Internet Explorer that's keeping the web stuck in 2004. E.g. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/FindTheCountry -- why bother with crappy static PDF atlases when interactive technology like that is available? And you can View Source it! Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: automatic reminder of 'software update' when installing a new build
Daniel Drake wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: WHERE are they supposed to look to determine whether a newer version of an Activity is available for their (e.g., 657) builds ? [Their builds are __older__ than 8.2.] For 8.1, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Bert%27s_script would automatically download and install latest versions of activities compatible with 8.1, but it looks like the page that drives it, http://mock.laptop.org/repos/local.update1/XOS/index.html , hasn't been updated for a while. If the activity developer has somehow learned how to update activity versions (again I ask *is this documented anywhere?!*) then she can use 'edit with form' tab on her activity's page to check off, for multiple versions, all the releases they work on. E.g. the bottom of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Chat has: Activity version number: 40 The releases with which this version of the activity has been tested. 8.1.1 (708) We just need someone to create G1G1/8.1 (for build 7xx) and G1G1/7.1 (for build 65x) pages on the wiki, with appropriate content. As I understand it releases prior to 8.2.0 lack the Software Update control panel, so such a page would only be for users to read. *If* all activity developers knew which version worked on say 8.1.0 and put this in their activity's page, then the wiki would have the needed info for such a G1G1/8.1 page. Unfortunately, the current implementation of the form and templates for activities means you can't simply run a query to show the version and URL of all activities that are flagged as working on 8.1.0. The best a query can do is show you a list of _potential_ versions for 8.1.0 -- see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Skierpage#Activity_versions_for_a_particular_release Some day I'll write a proposal to make this work better for activity maintainers and users, but I don't fully understand what's already present... -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: status of forks
Peter Robinson wrote: with the layoffs happening would it make sense to get a document listing what patches/forks are being maintained by OLPC. The best page is probably http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Distro_version_migration_nastiness any other pages should be in [[Category:Build system]] and maybe [[Category:Linux distributions]], please link them from the first one. -- =S P.S. Thanks and commiserations to everyone getting laid off. Is there any truth to the rumor that OLPC is also laying off half the volunteers on this awesome set of endeavors? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: automatic reminder of 'software update' when installing a new build
Mikus Grinbergs wrote: I have seen the wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 page list Activity versions that were *older* than those listed for plain G1G1. That's exactly as it is supposed to work. G1G1 lists dev versions, G1G1/8.2 the stable versions tested with 8.2. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_updater#Activity_groups explains: the unsuffixed version of the group URL will always contain the latest versions of the activities for the very latest build. I improved and added language to [[Activities/G1G1]], [[Activities/G1G1/8.2]], [[Activities/Joyride]] pages. I also removed lies like They are part of the [[G1G1 activity pack]]. Is there an explanation for activity developers anywhere of the convoluted process of creating or updating fragments, the semantic form, and the OBX badge when you release a new activity version?? Somehow some people know how to do it and I have a dream to reduce the overlap. FYI, here are the only differences between [[Activities/G1G1/8.2]] and [[Activities/G1G1]]. AIUI a bigger version number doesn't necessarily mean that version is for a more recent build. Browse (8.2) (v.98) Browse (latest) (v.102) Read (8.2) (v.52) Read (latest) (v.61) Record (8.2) (v.59) Record (latest) (v.60) Chat (8.2) (v.48) Chat (latest) (v.60) Etoys (8.2) (v.94) Etoys (latest) (v.96) Terminal (8.2) (v.18) Terminal (latest) (v.19) All other activities are Activity Name (latest) (v.NN) for both, presumably because they haven't forked yet. All the content collections are the same in both, though they are misleadingly described Collection Name (8.2). Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
what are the deployments' languages?
I'm trying to figure out the actual languages in use in deployments by looking at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployments , but several countries have a blank for Language. What are the actual primary languages in use on * Haiti's 13,000 laptops (Kreyol ?) * Afghanistan's 11,000 laptops (Pashto ? Hazaragi? both?) * Oceania's 5,000 laptops (??) * Cambodia's 3,200 laptops (Khmer ?) The deployment form needs more languages. It gets its list of possible values from http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Property:Language_spoken which includes: EnglishSpanishHindiArabicThaiBrazilian Portuguese AmharicMongolianTamilBengaliNepali Besides the languages for the four deployments above, are there other languages the deployment form needs? (Please not all 5,000 dialects on earth, just languages intended for actual near-term deployments?) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Languages has more lists of languages: by tiers, green country languages, Pootle languages, etc. Thanks for any enlightenment! -- =S there is no 'skier' in my name Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Installing Flash on the OLPC
Dear genesee, Carlos Nazareno, Everybody, gently Many more people are going to read http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Adobe_Flash page than follow this mailing list. Your effect on XO users by only answering problems here is limited, you're just making the smart smarter still. Just in time for New Year's resolutions: edit the wiki page first. Anyway, why does this wiki page tell you to enter sudo su - commands when every other page I've seen says su - (or su -l) commands ? `sudo su -` seems redundant. Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids
Samuel Klein wrote: The Lennon video that's been murmured about for weeks has been released. Well it's united Lennon fans, OLPC h8ters, the usual foul-mouthed losers, and the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in the middle of the jungle? give them food! I responded to a few of the last, and all my comments got voted off the island. If you have a youtube account, vote the reasonable responses up. http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_commentsv=4b4GkGMiBDQ -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: G1G1 updates, Lennon video and other vids
the common reaction How are kids going to use laptops in the middle of the jungle? give them food! I didn't know about OLPC Mission: Part 2 The XO Laptop , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMeX2D4AOjM That video is outstanding! I don't know how to suggest it as a stock response to the doubters. -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: performance work
Wade Brainerd wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Neil Graham l...@screamingduck.com Is there a build of cairo that can produce a log of what calls are used in typical XO use? http://www.cairographics.org/FAQ/#performance_concerns says Cairo provides a cairo-trace utility (currently only available from the git development tree, but is planned for inclusion with Cairo 1.10) (I think Joyride builds include Cairo 1.8.0, latest released Cairo is 1.8.6) Some good ways to find out are located here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Performance_tuning I mentioned this. -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: VGA-output on your XO?
Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2008/12/09/acer-releases-b223-displaylink-lcd-in-europe From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayLink and http://www.displaylink.com/downloads/publicfaq.shtml DisplayLink does not currently support the Linux operating system. DisplayLink is investigating support for other operating systems and will provide updates to this article when more information is available. You can use http://www.displaylink.com/contact.html to beg them to support their proprietary protocol in Linux. I added DisplayLink to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Remote_display , with a disclaimer. -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Bundling plugins with Browse
Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: There's a MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH which looks promising, but somehow it's not working for me. Strace should be able provide clues. I don't know if Browse uses MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH, but the Firefox activity definitely does, see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Firefox#Workaround_to_share_Browse_plug-ins The system plug-ins directory for both Browse and Firefox is /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins but I'm sure they check other directories with or without MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH set. HTH -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Missing Man Pages and ASpell Dictionaries
Sebastian Silva wrote: How hard would it be to include these (neither is in our deployments by default) ... ASpell dictionaries in spanish should be included too. I believe Fedora 9 standardized on hunspell (and indirectly, enchant), see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureDictionary referred to by Trac 6104. How can I help all of these? Filing bugs and assigning them? Please see the other thread spell checking in activities (was Re: xo activity idea). Maybe it's a bug, maybe it's by design. I wrote up a workaround in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Dictionaries that should allow you to install Spanish spelling dictionaries. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: proposal for updating Activities/Joyride page
(resending, sorry wrong e-mail account) Daniel Drake wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Joyride is out of date. Some activities, e.g. Record and Read, need new versions listed which are not backwards compatible with 8.2. The current listed versions are included because of Joyride including Activities/G1G1 which includes Activities/Record-G1G1, but if I were to modify that then Activities/G1G1/8.2 would be modified too, causing broken upgrades for 8.2 users. Working with dsd and bert I changed Activities http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 to transclude Activities/Record_(8.2) instead of Activities/Record-G1G1. That allowed them to update the latter as dsd says. They requested I also made the change for several other activities that have forked from 8.2: Browse, Chat, Etoys, Read. I think the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Peru page needs the same fix -- it should not be loading Browse (latest). I don't understand why all activities on the 8.2 page aren't set this way. They should not pull in the latest version, they should pull in the (8.2) version. But a lot of the (8.2) fragments are out of date, they don't list the latest version that works on 8.2.0. Also, I'm not sure what the point of the -G1G1 files are. Currently, Activities/G1G1 transcludes Activities/Record-G1G1 , which redirects to Activities/Record_(latest). But there is no G1G1 version of any activity, there are simply pages for each activity group that pull in either the version that works in 8.2 or the latest version. Why mention -G1G1? Rather than explain it here, it should be somewhere on the wiki, referred to by http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_updater I also rewrote the explanation in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 , statements like They are part of the G1G1 activity pack are simply incorrect. (Is there a new [[G1G1 activity pack]]?) Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: proposal for updating Activities/Joyride page
Daniel Drake wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Joyride is out of date. Some activities, e.g. Record and Read, need new versions listed which are not backwards compatible with 8.2. The current listed versions are included because of Joyride including Activities/G1G1 which includes Activities/Record-G1G1, but if I were to modify that then Activities/G1G1/8.2 would be modified too, causing broken upgrades for 8.2 users. Working with dsd and bert I changed Activities http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 to transclude Activities/Record_(8.2) instead of Activities/Record-G1G1. That allowed them to update the latter as dsd says. They requested I also made the change for several other activities that have forked from 8.2: Browse, Chat, Etoys, Read. I think the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Peru page needs the same fix -- it should not be loading Browse (latest). I don't understand why all activities on the 8.2 page aren't set this way. They should not pull in the latest version, they should pull in the (8.2) version. But a lot of the (8.2) fragments are out of date, they don't list the latest version that works on 8.2.0. Also, I'm not sure what the point of the -G1G1 files are. Currently, Activities/G1G1 transcludes Activities/Record-G1G1 , which redirects to Activities/Record_(latest). But there is no G1G1 version of any activity, there are simply pages for each activity group that pull in either the version that works in 8.2 or the latest version. Why mention -G1G1? Rather than explain it here, it should be somewhere on the wiki, referred to by http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_updater I also rewrote the explanation in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 , statements like They are part of the G1G1 activity pack are simply incorrect. (Is there a new [[G1G1 activity pack]]?) Cheers, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
spell checking in activities (was Re: xo activity idea)
Yifan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had an idea for an activity, something like a write activity with a constantly updating spell checker that displayed spelling suggestions as you typed Which raises the question: What happened to the spell checking that used to be in the Write and Browse activities? Trac bugs 5394 and 6099 suggest Write and Browse used to spell check but did not have a context menu for alternatives. Now on my XO running 8.2.0 neither highlights mis-spelled words. Is it intentional the feature went away in both? The only spell checking application on my 8.2.0 XO is Firefox, using its own local en-US dictionaries and a personal dictionary in ~/isolation/blah/.mozilla. I believe the underlying libraries for all three activities use the same Hunspell engine and could share a common dictionary (Trac 6104). Bastien wrote: When designing a spell-checker, we should keep in mind that the spell-checker should always suggest correct spellings, and never underline errors. I disagree. I think the standard red dots spell checking that AbiWord and Firefox do is extremely useful. Regards, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Power Management plan for December.
Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 04:18:11PM -0500, Chris Ball wrote: Comments welcome. Are there important power management bugs that I've left out? Yes; namely, finding or writing a good technical introduction to the subject of power management as it applies to our software and hardware. Such a document will be invaluable in coming months because, without it, we'll communicate at a fraction of the efficiency we can achieve if we're all starting from the same basic terminology and facts. Perhaps this document already exists and I just don't know about it? http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Power_management and its links at the top *should* be that document :-) Besides the technical details, there are 1. The requests from deployments for the feature: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_requests 2. The feature for tracking purposes, currently: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Feature_roadmap#Power_management 3. The blueprint/plan to implement the feature; Mr. Ball's fine plan of attack belongs in this last one. Maybe http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Longer_battery_life that Kim Quirk created in October? I think Greg Smith's continuing work on 9.1.0 features and requirements will help organize this. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
installing fonts How To
Someone e-mailed me a huge HTML document that uses Comic Sans MS heavily. The discussion page for Fonts had a link to installing a TTF font on the XO, and I got it to work. So I added a section on this to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Fonts#Installing_fonts, also a section on What fonts are already installed, a guess at why ~olpc/.fonts doesn't work, etc. * It seems I didn't have to restart the XO or Sugar/X or even restart an activity -- Write's font menu showed the new font the moment I switched back to it. * I'm not sure about the legality of what I did. Maybe a font expert can improve http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Fonts#Installing_fonts , edit away. Thanks on behalf of XO users. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: libertas firmware version query
Ricardo Carrano wrote: For differences between firmware releases: http://dev.laptop.org/pub/firmware/libertas/RELEASE_NOTES. The current recommended firmware release is 22.p18. Nice, I added these to the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Libertas wiki page I've never flashed the Libertas firmware on my 2007 G1G1 XO, yet olpc-netstatus -i says I have Libertas: 5.110.22.p18 (from August 2008). Does upgrading the OS image on your XO also install new Libertas firmware, the same way that it may update Open Firmware? If so, is there any way to tell it's happening? Thanks, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: G1G1-2008 US machines delivered with 8.1 build 708, not with 8.2 build 767
Interesting... So the wiki can't assume new users have 8.2, that means a lot of pages will need separate Latest release / Earlier releases sections and/or encourage users to upgrade. I wonder how many users with 8.1 will visit http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities and download more recent activities that are incompatible with 8.1. That Activities page's text seems wrong: This is a snapshot of the activities included on the list as of the launch of G1G1, not a list of all activities known to work on release 8.2.0. These activities are pre-installed in machines received through the Give One Get One program. Does the 8.1 build on the early G1G1 2008 laptops have, e.g. the Help activity? (Which I thought is the 8.2.0 user manual.) Someone who definitively knows should update that page. Is there a downloadable image of what's on those laptops anywhere? Ed McNierney wrote: Thanks for supporting the G1G1 program with your purchases! This year it was extremely important for us to have Amazon stocked with inventory so orders could be fulfilled and delivered right away, the first day of the program. That meant that manufacturing actually had to begin before 8.2 was released; the machines being manufactured now have 8.2 built in, but the first G1G1 buyers will be receiving the first manufactured machines. You can find instructions on upgrading and information about the 8.2 release on our wiki at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.0 I added a mildly edited version of this to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO_Giving#Frequently_Asked_Questions I also mention it in passing on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Getting_started , which assumes users have the excellent Help activity. Getting started is where the wiki navigation's About the XO Help using the XO goes; I'm not sure what other places on the wiki new G1G1 users hit first. Ton, What's the model number of your new machine? (`olpc-netstatus -i`) ? -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
garbled Education is our Mission page on Amazon.com/xo
Congrats on the amazon.com/xo relaunch! The XO picture at amazon.com/xo links to http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8node=1243369011 and that has several garbled characters in place of apostrophes and some other punctuation, e.g. Children are consigned to poverty and isolation[\0x1a]just like their parents[\0x1a]never knowing On Windows XP, MSIE 7 displays a box, Firefox 3.1 display its unknown glyph 001A box, while Chrome just leaves out the apostrophe or dash. 0x001A is ASCII Ctrl-Z so I'm not sure what's going on. I couldn't find an encoding in Firefox where it worked. Also, near the end it says please visit laptop.org. laptop.org is green (and so is the period/full stop), but it's not a hyperlink. For grins, here's the HTML :-) :) please visit /fontfont color=#494949 face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif size=2font color=#54b948 face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif size=2laptop.org./font/font -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: New XO-LiveCD Version 8.2 available
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A new version of the XO-LiveCD is available. 1. I and someone else updated http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Live_CD , taking the opportunity to clean up some of the other Live CDs here. 2. I added this to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveBackup_XO-LiveCD as well. 3. I updated the broken livecd link in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Latest_Releases (the green box on many wiki pages) to point to 2. You can download it from: ftp://rohrmoser-engineering.de/pub/XO-LiveCD/XO-LiveCD_081106.iso (I suggest you use ISO 8601 date format in the future. 081106 looks like August 11th 2006 to us clueless North Americans, 2008-11-06 has no ambiguity for anyone anywhere. Also, release notes as a 310kB PDF?!) Dumb question: what is the difference between a .iso and a .img file like http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/custom/g1g1/gg-767-4/gg-767-4.img ? Can you mechanically transform one into the other? 1. says copy [a .iso] to a prepared USB flash drive but presumably it's not that simple. Tomeu Vizio wrote: I have updated http://sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems#Starch with this new release. 1. links to that, it also links to the sugar-jhbuild liveCD page http://www.sugarlabs.org/go/Live_CD , which the sugarlabs #Starch section doesn't mention. I need to go to a trade show to get USB flash drives and SD cards for all these live CDs and Linux distros and SqueakNOS... :) -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: debxo 0.3 release
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, I was hoping that with an open hardware platform running opensource software there would not be a need to search forums for reverse engineered 'secrets' or 'hacks', but instead such information would be readily available (ideally already documented, I couldn't find a page with this information so I made http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Enabling_XO_features_on_other_distributions , edit away. (Scientific studies have proven this is the only way to arrive at Hopefully this is documented passive-voice happy land. :-) ) Presumably the modifications the XO needs are in the OLPC build of Fedora, either in olpc-specific packages or changes pushed upstream to Fedora. So something in http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/xo-1/streams/joyride/latest/devel_jffs2/build.log has the modifications? -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: debxo 0.3 release
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you might start with this: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Xfce_keybindings which contains a few of the things you're looking for. Also , Screen Brightness/Rotation, Sound Volume, and Battery Status Control in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XFCE references olpc-keybind and genmon packages. Maybe they're not specific to switching OLPC Sugar Fedora to XFCE. -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: debxo 0.3 release
kawk wrote: Or, as I found out, if you have the developer key on a pen drive, you can boot into debxo from that, and copy develop.sig into /boot/security/, and have security enabled and debxo at the same time, should you want to. Thanks, all. I'll see what I can do about creating a wiki page if there isn't one already. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activation_and_developer_keys already had this information about recovery when you lose develop.sig. I reorganized it into a If you wipe out your developer key section. There's a http://wiki.laptop.org/go/DebXO page, edit away. Regards, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Sucrose 0.83.1 Development Release
Simon Schampijer wrote: This is our first Development Release in the 0.84 cycle. The code base has seen many refactoring efforts to improve the platform. Will OLPC joyride builds pick up the new Sucrose? Furthermore the datastore has been rewritten, to simplify and improve maintainability. The API has been kept in place. What happens when you upgrade an XO with the old datastore? What happens if you then downgrade it? Sugar moved to use Gconf as a back end to store the profile. When you upgrade an XO, does it import your old profile (~olpc/.sugar/default/config)? What happens if you then downgrade? An ABI policy has been figured out and modules have been marked as STABLE / UNSTABLE / DEPRECATED. Where are they marked, in the .py files? == Fructose news == ... Are the new activity versions backwards-compatible with 8.2? If so, the maze of Activity lists should be updated. Currently http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Joyride pulls in Activities/G1G1 , as does Activities/G1G1/8.2, and that list still references old versions -- Browse 98 not 100, Read 52 not 60, etc. -- even though the links say Browse (latest). Full Release Notes: http://sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Releases/Sucrose/0.83.1 Maybe you could address these questions in a ==Compatibility== section in the release notes. The changes and fixes sound excellent! -- =S ugar Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Collection (.xol) glitches
In Re: Sugar unusable as an e-book reader, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Content_bundle_making_script . hmm, I modified the script ... and used it to create bundle .xol files. putting them on the USB stick doesn't seem to work. they show up in the journal as unknown file types I filed http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8903 that they don't have unique icons, I haven't tried the patch in bug 7197 that might fix this. and hitting start doesn't seem to do anything (other than triggering some disk I/O) That script had a bug, it doesn't specify a category. With logging enabled, org.laptop.JournalActivity-1.log says MalformedBundleException: Content bundle /home/olpc/.sugar/default/data/the_fata_morgana.xol does not specify a category (Is there a general Sugar bug that if anything whatsoever goes wrong you get no feedback? !!) With that fix I was able to install a few of david's collection from the Web and USB. But the Journal leaves the .xol file in /home/olpc/.sugar/default/data/ until it next installs something, and it has errors if I later try to erase the collection. I didn't have these problems installing and erasing World culture v3; I'm not sure what the difference is. Could someone who knows please edit this wiki page and others like http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_a_collection for accuracy? E.g. * Nothing except http://bantha.org/~kraken/olpc/bundler/makeLibraryInfo.html seems to list acceptable subcategories. * Should the host_version be 2 these day? -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 9.1 Proposal: Files
Erik Garrison wrote: However, it is unclear how hacking is supposed to proceed within Sugar without some exposure to the underlying filesystem. Run Browse and you start with OLPC Library. Click in the location field and you see file:///home/olpc/.library_pages/index.html. Any inquisitive child is going to start exploring and wind up looking at the source for Analyze.activity/analyze.py. (I don't know how hard it would be to add syntax highlighting to Mozilla's text rendering.) Even if it is possible to do via the Terminal, we are not making it easy for users to start by providing two incompatible views on data. Yes. I can't even look in file:///home/olpc/.sugar I've had intermittent problems in the past where I'm unable to browse other directories, but this directory is hidden to Browse by design. Files? I think mankind is in the middle of a 25-year transition to versioned URIs. It's strange that viewing that source file isn't chock full of links. But I know of no O.S. that's figured it out (remember public_html directories and Microsoft's View as Web folder?) and meanwhile the Journal is an advance on a mere file system. There's no web server on the XO, so it's hard for it to figure out the URI'd future either. If I ruled the world the Journal would be reuse + extension of Firefox 3's Places feature. Places has the same history, tags, search, last viewed, description, etc.; it allows but does not require subfolders. That would be the start of the unification of browsing the web and your local work that's surely coming. Thanks for all you do. -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Sugar unusable as an e-book reader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: opening the book in .html just produces a lot of errors becouse the book is spread across lots of files, and the jurnal isolation mechanisms copy the file being opened to a temporary directory, where all the links to the other files don't work. Note that you could have entered file:///media in Browse and located the HTML files; I believe the links to other files would then have worked OK but you'd have to wander around with the USB flash drive hanging out of your XO. In an ideal world the book would be packaged as a single collection (.xol) file, so downloading it would unpack it in ~/Library and add it to the content navigation in the OLPC Library home page. You could try http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Creating_a_collection and http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Content_bundle_making_script . (I put Little-Brother.xol on USB, it showed up in Journal, I chose Start and this all happened and Browse displayed the e-book.) In this ideal world the .xol container would gain traction as an e-book format and Bain, Project Gutenberg, and the other content repositories would offer books as .xol bundles. HTML in Browse integrates cleanly with the library/home page, can use advanced CSS for attractive layout, takes you from a link to a document without the download-Journal-Read steps, avoids PDF's fundamental broken-ness rendering a paper page on a screen, has JavaScript to add interactivity and features like annotations, etc. etc. It's the future. But PDF is certainly an important legacy format. Regards, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Browse can't browse USB flash drive
S Page wrote: Note that you could have entered file:///media in Browse and located the HTML files I spoke too soon. Browse shows my USB flash drive's label in /media, but my attempts to navigate to any file or directory within file:///media/MYDRIVE return error -2142109675 from XPCOM loadURI(). Is this an error from Bitfrost? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Read bug hit in Rwanda
Brian Jordan wrote: I imagine students would encounter this bug rather quickly as well, zooming in on their home continent PDF Google maps style. Can we get some attention on that one? Especially if it can be fixed in the activity, I would like to have a new version in place when we try to upgrade Rwanda 8.2.0 later this year. Or consider alternatives to PDF maps (trac 7652). I can view, e.g., http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/African_continent-de.svg without the download-Journal-launch Read-(run low on memory) steps, zooming in didn't crash Browse, and SVG in the browser potentially allows show/hide layers, interactive quizzes, easier localization, view source, etc. Respectfully, -- =S Page ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Signed candidate-765 and gg-765-2 builds available for testing.
Michael Stone wrote: I have decided to publish 8.2-765 as a signed Candidate http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/candidate/765/ (raw os) I reverted my signed (no-developer key) XO-1 back to build 650 (ship.1, 7.1.0) and did a ``olpc-update --usb`` to update to candidate-765. I had the expected issues of no sudo and having to update olpc-update itself, and it worked! This wasn't a perfect test because I didn't revert firmware as well, I was on latest q2e18 firmware throughout. I improved and simplified the early sections of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/olpc-update for the USB upgrade path. I noticed one slightly confusing thing. The line of text in a virtual terminal and in `cat /etc/issue` is: OLPC build 765 (stream 8.2; variant devel_jffs2) ^^^? ^? I guess this candidate stream isn't a real stream, it's just a special treatment of certain builds. But why is the variant called devel ? According to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images#Image_variants , devel Contains tools useful for developers of the OLPC operating system, including: yum, rpm, vim-minimal, openssh-server, xterm, which, file, tree, wget, xorg-x11-twm, gdb packages My OS only has some of those. I think these days there isn't a Normal image any more, just devel_? Will this variant devel_ go away when 8.2.0 moves to http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/official/ ? I see a newer http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/candidate/766/ ; Friends_in_testing still suggests candidate-765. http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/custom/g1g1/gg-765-2/ (G1G1 composite) I see a newer gg-766-3. But nobody has explained when or how you'd upgrade to a gg- build (is it for a clean-install with activities?), so I think it goes unmentioned on the wiki. Regards, -- =S Page user:skierpage ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Read has serious memory problems because renders whole pages into memory, regardless of what is the viewed area. Any chance the first pages of the PDF you opened contained big images? Nope, it's a saved Project Gutenberg PDF Coradella_Collegiate_Bookshelf_Collection_austen-persuasion.pdf, looks like it has one small image. Of course when I reproduce everything works fine. Is there *anything* testers can run before or after their XO goes funny? My fantasy would be a section in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing : Run log_mem.py from a console as you start Sugar. This snapshots memory every 10 seconds to a rotating set of files in tmpfs until it detects that the machine has serious memory problems, then it runs a detailed /sys/procmem dump. It also runs strace on the OOMKiller thread. If your XO locks up, zip this directory and attach it to bug 4321. Without something like that, it'll be hard to get anything more from testers than anecdotes. Sincerely, -- =S ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
