Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
Are there any other sites we could use which would be less biased in how they define what religions? I imagine some might be seriously offended by considering Buddhism a cult, and in general OLPC shouldn't find itself in the position of endorsing one religion over another. Choosing the immediate expediency of a convenient site over the mission of OLPC could very well cost OLPC all kinds of support. Do we really want to open ourselves to charges of being underhanded Christian missionaries? I imagine there might be some countries which are already challenging for OLPC to work in, and this could make it significantly harder in certain conditions. >From the crosswire.org site: ---begin quote--- About Us The CrossWire Bible Society is an organization with the purpose to sponsor and provide a place for engineers and others to come and collaborate on free, open-source projects aimed at furthering the Kingdom of our God. We are also a resource pool to other Bible societies and Christian organizations that can't afford --or don't feel it's their place-- to maintain a quality programming staff in house. We provide them with a number of tools that assist them with reaching their domain with Christ. ---end quote--- My $0.02, Lisa On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Jeffrey Kesselman wrote: > 2008/10/16 Sebastian Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> E >> The link http://www.crosswire.org/sword/publisher/index.jsp seems to suggest >> they would be open, for at least putting it on the "Cult / Unorthodox" >> module add-on section. >> > > The irony being that this is a world-project and, buy the numbers, > when comapred with say, Buddhism, Christianity is the cult/unorthodox > religion. > > JK > ___ > Grassroots mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
You're right, I was actually just pointing to. Eduardo 2008/10/18 Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Eduardo H. Silva > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I would vote for the The Nag Hammadi Library (early christian lost >> gospels) to be included as well in this all-encompassing >> religions/theologies activity: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html >> . > > Are you putting your hand up? Votes don't count, only volunteers. > >> Eduardoa > > -- > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज ) is my name > And Children are my nation. > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, > The Truth my destination. > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Eduardo H. Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would vote for the The Nag Hammadi Library (early christian lost > gospels) to be included as well in this all-encompassing > religions/theologies activity: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html > . Are you putting your hand up? Votes don't count, only volunteers. > Eduardoa -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज ) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
I would vote for the The Nag Hammadi Library (early christian lost gospels) to be included as well in this all-encompassing religions/theologies activity: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html . Eduardoa 2008/10/18 Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Lisa Caroline Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Are there any other sites we could use which would be less biased in how >> they define what religions? > > We don't have to use their site at all if we don't like their attitude. > > AFAIK the Sword software is under a Free license, and we can just put > our stuff where we like. > >> I imagine some might be seriously offended >> by considering Buddhism a cult, and in general OLPC shouldn't find >> itself in the position of endorsing one religion over another. > > I wouldn't list my work on that page. I would ask for a respectful > page for non-Christian religions. > >> Choosing >> the immediate expediency of a convenient site over the mission of OLPC >> could very well cost OLPC all kinds of support. Do we really want to >> open ourselves to charges of being underhanded Christian missionaries? > > By posting non-Christian scriptures? Do you really think people will > be that confused? > >> I imagine there might be some countries which are already challenging >> for OLPC to work in, and this could make it significantly harder in >> certain conditions. > > Let us not borrow trouble, but inquire whether this is so. > >> From the crosswire.org site: >> ---begin quote--- >> About Us >> The CrossWire Bible Society is an organization with the purpose to >> sponsor and provide a place for engineers and others to come and >> collaborate on free, open-source projects aimed at furthering the >> Kingdom of our God. We are also a resource pool to other Bible societies >> and Christian organizations that can't afford --or don't feel it's their >> place-- to maintain a quality programming staff in house. We provide >> them with a number of tools that assist them with reaching their domain >> with Christ. >> ---end quote--- >> >> My $0.02, >> Lisa > > Good questions. Thank you, Lisa. > >> On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Jeffrey Kesselman wrote: >> >>> 2008/10/16 Sebastian Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: E The link http://www.crosswire.org/sword/publisher/index.jsp seems to suggest they would be open, for at least putting it on the "Cult / Unorthodox" module add-on section. >>> >>> The irony being that this is a world-project and, buy the numbers, >>> when comapred with say, Buddhism, Christianity is the cult/unorthodox >>> religion. > > Now, now. No need for snark. > >>> JK >>> ___ >>> Grassroots mailing list >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots >>> >> ___ >> Grassroots mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots >> > > > > -- > Don't panic.--HHGTTG, Douglas Adams > fivethirtyeight.com, 3bluedudes.com Obama still moving ahead in EC! > http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Smears Join us! > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai For the children > > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज ) is my name > And Children are my nation. > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, > The Truth my destination. > ___ > Grassroots mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Lisa Caroline Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are there any other sites we could use which would be less biased in how > they define what religions? We don't have to use their site at all if we don't like their attitude. AFAIK the Sword software is under a Free license, and we can just put our stuff where we like. > I imagine some might be seriously offended > by considering Buddhism a cult, and in general OLPC shouldn't find > itself in the position of endorsing one religion over another. I wouldn't list my work on that page. I would ask for a respectful page for non-Christian religions. > Choosing > the immediate expediency of a convenient site over the mission of OLPC > could very well cost OLPC all kinds of support. Do we really want to > open ourselves to charges of being underhanded Christian missionaries? By posting non-Christian scriptures? Do you really think people will be that confused? > I imagine there might be some countries which are already challenging > for OLPC to work in, and this could make it significantly harder in > certain conditions. Let us not borrow trouble, but inquire whether this is so. > From the crosswire.org site: > ---begin quote--- > About Us > The CrossWire Bible Society is an organization with the purpose to > sponsor and provide a place for engineers and others to come and > collaborate on free, open-source projects aimed at furthering the > Kingdom of our God. We are also a resource pool to other Bible societies > and Christian organizations that can't afford --or don't feel it's their > place-- to maintain a quality programming staff in house. We provide > them with a number of tools that assist them with reaching their domain > with Christ. > ---end quote--- > > My $0.02, > Lisa Good questions. Thank you, Lisa. > On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Jeffrey Kesselman wrote: > >> 2008/10/16 Sebastian Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> E >>> The link http://www.crosswire.org/sword/publisher/index.jsp seems to suggest >>> they would be open, for at least putting it on the "Cult / Unorthodox" >>> module add-on section. >>> >> >> The irony being that this is a world-project and, buy the numbers, >> when comapred with say, Buddhism, Christianity is the cult/unorthodox >> religion. Now, now. No need for snark. >> JK >> ___ >> Grassroots mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots >> > ___ > Grassroots mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots > -- Don't panic.--HHGTTG, Douglas Adams fivethirtyeight.com, 3bluedudes.com Obama still moving ahead in EC! http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Smears Join us! http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai For the children Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज ) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
2008/10/16 Sebastian Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > E > The link http://www.crosswire.org/sword/publisher/index.jsp seems to suggest > they would be open, for at least putting it on the "Cult / Unorthodox" > module add-on section. > The irony being that this is a world-project and, buy the numbers, when comapred with say, Buddhism, Christianity is the cult/unorthodox religion. JK ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
Edward, It sounds to me like a wonderful project. I wondered myself why only the Bible was available. Morgan, them being christian does not necessarily imply they would not host other scriptures. The link http://www.crosswire.org/sword/publisher/index.jsp seems to suggest they would be open, for at least putting it on the "Cult / Unorthodox" module add-on section. I for one welcome our laptop bearing levitating little monk overlords. ;-) Sebastian 2008/10/16 Morgan Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 08:15, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We have a Bible program in Sugar. Sword allows any number of texts, > > dictionaries, and commentaries in any combination of languages to be > > integrated together. I know where many other scriptures in many > > languages are available, and would like to start a project to > > integrate them into Sword and make them globally available. Some of > > the materials are > > > > Qur'an, Muslim > > Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sikh > > Tipitaka and Tripitaka, Buddhist > > Kanjur, Tanjur, Buddhist > > Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Hindu > > Laozi, Juangzi, Daozang, Daoist > > Confucius, Mencius, Confucian > > Talmud, Jewish > > Popul Vuh, Mayan > > > > I am open to other suggestions, and will need help with appropriate > > dictionaries and commentaries. This is a large project, and will need > > people with a range of skills. I can contact organizations that work > > on each of the sets of texts listed, but we will need more contacts > > beyond them. > > The Sword activity is based on upstream software available for many > platforms: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_SWORD_Project > http://www.crosswire.org/sword/index.jsp > > Since the upstream organisation is Christian, I doubt they would want > to host the texts you have listed. However we can get them to list the > Sugar Sword activity on their site. > > My interest is to get the reader localized, and create > easy-to-download bundles containing a specific Bible translation > (http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Bibles) as > appropriate for specific countries. That's probably easier in the > short term than adding in support to download texts within the > activity, especially as they are large files. In my opinion, most use > would be for a specific text, perhaps including an appropriate > dictionary and commentary. > > > o Should I create one ticket for the project, or one per religion, or > what? > > Are tickets necessary at this point? I think tickets are best suited > to discrete bits of work that can be assigned to a person and have a > definite completion. I think the tasks consist of work on the > software, localization, work on the content, and creation of bundles > with specific content. > > > o Where can we host this? > > We should specifically not use the wiki for hosting the actual > downloads. Downloads from the wiki are slow, and place a lot of load > on it. > > Regards > Morgan > ___ > Grassroots mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/grassroots > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
FYI, there is a Qur'an content bundle already available at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/Quran -walter On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Morgan Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 08:15, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> We have a Bible program in Sugar. Sword allows any number of texts, >> dictionaries, and commentaries in any combination of languages to be >> integrated together. I know where many other scriptures in many >> languages are available, and would like to start a project to >> integrate them into Sword and make them globally available. Some of >> the materials are >> >> Qur'an, Muslim >> Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sikh >> Tipitaka and Tripitaka, Buddhist >> Kanjur, Tanjur, Buddhist >> Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Hindu >> Laozi, Juangzi, Daozang, Daoist >> Confucius, Mencius, Confucian >> Talmud, Jewish >> Popul Vuh, Mayan >> >> I am open to other suggestions, and will need help with appropriate >> dictionaries and commentaries. This is a large project, and will need >> people with a range of skills. I can contact organizations that work >> on each of the sets of texts listed, but we will need more contacts >> beyond them. > > The Sword activity is based on upstream software available for many platforms: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_SWORD_Project > http://www.crosswire.org/sword/index.jsp > > Since the upstream organisation is Christian, I doubt they would want > to host the texts you have listed. However we can get them to list the > Sugar Sword activity on their site. > > My interest is to get the reader localized, and create > easy-to-download bundles containing a specific Bible translation > (http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Bibles) as > appropriate for specific countries. That's probably easier in the > short term than adding in support to download texts within the > activity, especially as they are large files. In my opinion, most use > would be for a specific text, perhaps including an appropriate > dictionary and commentary. > >> o Should I create one ticket for the project, or one per religion, or what? > > Are tickets necessary at this point? I think tickets are best suited > to discrete bits of work that can be assigned to a person and have a > definite completion. I think the tasks consist of work on the > software, localization, work on the content, and creation of bundles > with specific content. > >> o Where can we host this? > > We should specifically not use the wiki for hosting the actual > downloads. Downloads from the wiki are slow, and place a lot of load > on it. > > Regards > Morgan > ___ > Devel mailing list > Devel@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Grassroots-l] World scriptures
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 08:15, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have a Bible program in Sugar. Sword allows any number of texts, > dictionaries, and commentaries in any combination of languages to be > integrated together. I know where many other scriptures in many > languages are available, and would like to start a project to > integrate them into Sword and make them globally available. Some of > the materials are > > Qur'an, Muslim > Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sikh > Tipitaka and Tripitaka, Buddhist > Kanjur, Tanjur, Buddhist > Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Hindu > Laozi, Juangzi, Daozang, Daoist > Confucius, Mencius, Confucian > Talmud, Jewish > Popul Vuh, Mayan > > I am open to other suggestions, and will need help with appropriate > dictionaries and commentaries. This is a large project, and will need > people with a range of skills. I can contact organizations that work > on each of the sets of texts listed, but we will need more contacts > beyond them. The Sword activity is based on upstream software available for many platforms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_SWORD_Project http://www.crosswire.org/sword/index.jsp Since the upstream organisation is Christian, I doubt they would want to host the texts you have listed. However we can get them to list the Sugar Sword activity on their site. My interest is to get the reader localized, and create easy-to-download bundles containing a specific Bible translation (http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModDisp.jsp?modType=Bibles) as appropriate for specific countries. That's probably easier in the short term than adding in support to download texts within the activity, especially as they are large files. In my opinion, most use would be for a specific text, perhaps including an appropriate dictionary and commentary. > o Should I create one ticket for the project, or one per religion, or what? Are tickets necessary at this point? I think tickets are best suited to discrete bits of work that can be assigned to a person and have a definite completion. I think the tasks consist of work on the software, localization, work on the content, and creation of bundles with specific content. > o Where can we host this? We should specifically not use the wiki for hosting the actual downloads. Downloads from the wiki are slow, and place a lot of load on it. Regards Morgan ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
