Re: G1G1-2008 US machines delivered with 8.1 build 708, not with 8.2 build 767

2008-11-20 Thread Ed McNierney 
Bert -

You should assume nothing, and you should send questions about G1G1  
distribution to help at laptop.org, not to a list of software  
developers - that's where you will find the folks who actually know  
what's going on .

- Ed


On Nov 20, 2008, at 2:56 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> so since there is no stock in Europe can we assume that the machines  
> ordered at the UK site will all come with 8.2? Makes support way  
> easier.
>
> - Bert -
>
> On 20.11.2008, at 03:48, Ed McNierney wrote:
>
>> Ton -
>>
>> Thanks for supporting the G1G1 program with your purchases!  This  
>> year it
>> was extremely important for us to have Amazon stocked with  
>> inventory so
>> orders could be fulfilled and delivered right away, the first day  
>> of the
>> program.  That meant that manufacturing actually had to begin  
>> before 8.2 was
>> released; the machines being manufactured now have 8.2 built in,  
>> but the
>> first G1G1 buyers will be receiving the first manufactured machines.
>>
>> You can find instructions on upgrading and information about the  
>> 8.2 release
>> on our wiki at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.0
>>
>> This mailing list is for XO software development discussion, so  
>> it's not the
>> best place to get help for G1G1 purchasers.  You can find  
>> information about
>> G1G1 support with lots of great info at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support
>>
>> Thanks again for being an "early adopter" this year - we really  
>> appreciate
>> it.
>>
>>   - Ed
>>
>>
>> On 11/19/08 9:41 PM, "Ton van Overbeek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Received my 2 XOs ordered last Monday today.
>>> I was surprised they were booting up in 8.1 with the old sugar
>>> interface and not with 8.2.
>>> I was under the impression 8.2.0 was targeted for G1G1-2008, but  
>>> this
>>> does not seem to be the case,
>>> at least not for the US machines currently in stock at Amazon.
>>> Just curious to know if this was the intention.
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Re: G1G1-2008 US machines delivered with 8.1 build 708, not with 8.2 build 767

2008-11-20 Thread Ed McNierney 
Thanks for all the comments, but could we please take this off the devel
mailing list and have this conversation with the people who are working on
support, and where it can do much more good?  Thanks very much for the help.

- Ed


On 11/20/08 1:06 AM, "S Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Interesting...
> So the wiki can't assume new users have 8.2, that means a lot of pages
> will need separate "Latest release / Earlier releases" sections and/or
> encourage users to upgrade.
> 
> I wonder how many users with 8.1 will visit
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities and download more recent activities
> that are incompatible with 8.1.  That Activities page's text seems wrong:
> 
>This is a snapshot of the activities included on the list as of the
> launch of G1G1, not a list of all activities known to work on release
> 8.2.0. These activities are pre-installed in machines received through
> the Give One Get One program.
> 
> Does the 8.1 build on the early G1G1 2008 laptops have, e.g. the Help
> activity?  (Which I thought is the 8.2.0 user manual.)  Someone who
> definitively knows should update that page.  Is there a downloadable
> image of what's on those laptops anywhere?
> 
> Ed McNierney wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for supporting the G1G1 program with your purchases!  This year it
>> was extremely important for us to have Amazon stocked with inventory so
>> orders could be fulfilled and delivered right away, the first day of the
>> program.  That meant that manufacturing actually had to begin before 8.2 was
>> released; the machines being manufactured now have 8.2 built in, but the
>> first G1G1 buyers will be receiving the first manufactured machines.
>> 
>> You can find instructions on upgrading and information about the 8.2 release
>> on our wiki at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.0
> 
> I added a mildly edited version of this to
> 
> 
> I also mention it in passing on
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Getting_started , which assumes users have the
> excellent Help activity.
> 
> "Getting started" is where the wiki navigation's "About the XO > Help
> using the XO" goes; I'm not sure what other places on the wiki new G1G1
> users hit first.
> 
> Ton,
> What's the model number of your new machine?  (`olpc-netstatus -i`) ?
> 
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Re: G1G1-2008 US machines delivered with 8.1 build 708, not with 8.2 build 767

2008-11-19 Thread Bert Freudenberg 
Hi Ed,

so since there is no stock in Europe can we assume that the machines  
ordered at the UK site will all come with 8.2? Makes support way easier.

- Bert -

On 20.11.2008, at 03:48, Ed McNierney wrote:

> Ton -
>
> Thanks for supporting the G1G1 program with your purchases!  This  
> year it
> was extremely important for us to have Amazon stocked with inventory  
> so
> orders could be fulfilled and delivered right away, the first day of  
> the
> program.  That meant that manufacturing actually had to begin before  
> 8.2 was
> released; the machines being manufactured now have 8.2 built in, but  
> the
> first G1G1 buyers will be receiving the first manufactured machines.
>
> You can find instructions on upgrading and information about the 8.2  
> release
> on our wiki at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.0
>
> This mailing list is for XO software development discussion, so it's  
> not the
> best place to get help for G1G1 purchasers.  You can find  
> information about
> G1G1 support with lots of great info at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support
>
> Thanks again for being an "early adopter" this year - we really  
> appreciate
> it.
>
>- Ed
>
>
> On 11/19/08 9:41 PM, "Ton van Overbeek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Received my 2 XOs ordered last Monday today.
>> I was surprised they were booting up in 8.1 with the old sugar
>> interface and not with 8.2.
>> I was under the impression 8.2.0 was targeted for G1G1-2008, but this
>> does not seem to be the case,
>> at least not for the US machines currently in stock at Amazon.
>> Just curious to know if this was the intention.
>> ___
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>> Devel@lists.laptop.org
>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
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Re: G1G1-2008 US machines delivered with 8.1 build 708, not with 8.2 build 767

2008-11-19 Thread S Page 
Interesting...
So the wiki can't assume new users have 8.2, that means a lot of pages 
will need separate "Latest release / Earlier releases" sections and/or 
encourage users to upgrade.

I wonder how many users with 8.1 will visit 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities and download more recent activities 
that are incompatible with 8.1.  That Activities page's text seems wrong:

   This is a snapshot of the activities included on the list as of the 
launch of G1G1, not a list of all activities known to work on release 
8.2.0. These activities are pre-installed in machines received through 
the Give One Get One program.

Does the 8.1 build on the early G1G1 2008 laptops have, e.g. the Help 
activity?  (Which I thought is the 8.2.0 user manual.)  Someone who 
definitively knows should update that page.  Is there a downloadable 
image of what's on those laptops anywhere?

Ed McNierney wrote:

> Thanks for supporting the G1G1 program with your purchases!  This year it
> was extremely important for us to have Amazon stocked with inventory so
> orders could be fulfilled and delivered right away, the first day of the
> program.  That meant that manufacturing actually had to begin before 8.2 was
> released; the machines being manufactured now have 8.2 built in, but the
> first G1G1 buyers will be receiving the first manufactured machines.
> 
> You can find instructions on upgrading and information about the 8.2 release
> on our wiki at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.0

I added a mildly edited version of this to 


I also mention it in passing on 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Getting_started , which assumes users have the 
excellent Help activity.

"Getting started" is where the wiki navigation's "About the XO > Help 
using the XO" goes; I'm not sure what other places on the wiki new G1G1 
users hit first.

Ton,
What's the model number of your new machine?  (`olpc-netstatus -i`) ?

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Re: G1G1-2008 US machines delivered with 8.1 build 708, not with 8.2 build 767

2008-11-19 Thread Sameer Verma 
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Ed McNierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ton -
>
> Thanks for supporting the G1G1 program with your purchases!  This year it
> was extremely important for us to have Amazon stocked with inventory so
> orders could be fulfilled and delivered right away, the first day of the
> program.  That meant that manufacturing actually had to begin before 8.2 was
> released; the machines being manufactured now have 8.2 built in, but the
> first G1G1 buyers will be receiving the first manufactured machines.
>
> You can find instructions on upgrading and information about the 8.2 release
> on our wiki at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.0
>
> This mailing list is for XO software development discussion, so it's not the
> best place to get help for G1G1 purchasers.  You can find information about
> G1G1 support with lots of great info at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support
>
> Thanks again for being an "early adopter" this year - we really appreciate
> it.
>
>- Ed
>

Hi Ed,

Will there be a way to communicate with G1G1 v2 purchasers/donors that
they can (and should) update to 8.2 with either a link to instructions
or an automated push of the newer build?

Sameer
-- 
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Information Systems
San Francisco State University
San Francisco CA 94132 USA
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/


>
> On 11/19/08 9:41 PM, "Ton van Overbeek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Received my 2 XOs ordered last Monday today.
>> I was surprised they were booting up in 8.1 with the old sugar
>> interface and not with 8.2.
>> I was under the impression 8.2.0 was targeted for G1G1-2008, but this
>> does not seem to be the case,
>> at least not for the US machines currently in stock at Amazon.
>> Just curious to know if this was the intention.
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Re: G1G1-2008 US machines delivered with 8.1 build 708, not with 8.2 build 767

2008-11-19 Thread Ton van Overbeek 
Ed,

Thanks for the explanation.
I am not new to OLPC, also participated in the first G1G1, but that XO
is now with my grandson (and has 8.2 on it). Right now I am going to
run olpc-update to get the new XOs on 8.2.
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Re: G1G1-2008 US machines delivered with 8.1 build 708, not with 8.2 build 767

2008-11-19 Thread Ed McNierney 
Ton -

Thanks for supporting the G1G1 program with your purchases!  This year it
was extremely important for us to have Amazon stocked with inventory so
orders could be fulfilled and delivered right away, the first day of the
program.  That meant that manufacturing actually had to begin before 8.2 was
released; the machines being manufactured now have 8.2 built in, but the
first G1G1 buyers will be receiving the first manufactured machines.

You can find instructions on upgrading and information about the 8.2 release
on our wiki at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.2.0

This mailing list is for XO software development discussion, so it's not the
best place to get help for G1G1 purchasers.  You can find information about
G1G1 support with lots of great info at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Support

Thanks again for being an "early adopter" this year - we really appreciate
it.

- Ed


On 11/19/08 9:41 PM, "Ton van Overbeek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Received my 2 XOs ordered last Monday today.
> I was surprised they were booting up in 8.1 with the old sugar
> interface and not with 8.2.
> I was under the impression 8.2.0 was targeted for G1G1-2008, but this
> does not seem to be the case,
> at least not for the US machines currently in stock at Amazon.
> Just curious to know if this was the intention.
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G1G1-2008 US machines delivered with 8.1 build 708, not with 8.2 build 767

2008-11-19 Thread Ton van Overbeek 
Received my 2 XOs ordered last Monday today.
I was surprised they were booting up in 8.1 with the old sugar
interface and not with 8.2.
I was under the impression 8.2.0 was targeted for G1G1-2008, but this
does not seem to be the case,
at least not for the US machines currently in stock at Amazon.
Just curious to know if this was the intention.
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