[sabayon-dev] Mail List is Moving *Heads Up*
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Re: [sabayon-dev] Improving documentation on wiki.sabayon.org
afaik, think the plan was to torch it and use something else.
On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 4:11 PM, André Jaenisch
wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> let's be frank. The current state of our wiki is bad.
> There are many outdated articles (just look at OpenRC related ones),
> conflicting instructions (for example about kernel update) and ones
> which misrespected a convention (like translating with using the
> language prefix in the URL).
>
> We need to do something.
>
> Today, Joost and Ben talked with me about it.
>
> There's the idea to rewrite it from scratch. But it will take an
> enormous amount of time until the wiki is in an usable state again.
> Ben suggested instead to prune outdated articles.
>
> Thing is, not even Joost could tell how to delete an article.
> From my experience at work with MediaWiki I can tell, that MediaWiki
> bites you here. There's a feature to "move an article", but that is not
> flagged "deleted" in the database so still shows up on certain Special
> Sites.
>
> Concerning the outdated articles I suggested to do it in two to three
> phases:
>
> 0. Create a banner to mark sites (or certain paragraphs) as likely
> outdated
> 1. Ask the community to walk over the wiki and apply that banner to
> whichever parts they think fits.
> 2. Have some maintainer verify it and in case it is outdated removing
> it.
>
> This is dome similiar on MDN ("an article is in need of technical
> review") and Wikipedia ("This article is useful, but outdated").
>
> I would like to get the walkover done in a docsprint. A docsprint is
> like a hackathon but with focus on documentation instead of
> development. I saw Mozilla's localisation team having one every now and
> then. We could plan an event (between christmas and New Year's Eve or
> in early January) for one. This would give us some time for
> preparation. Like creating said banner, looking for backups (do we have
> one?), searching for well-done MediaWiki usages etc.
>
> What do you think about it?
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> André
>
>
--
Kelly Schwartz
~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] Monthly
Since we are getting away from "Monthly" releases we should probably change wording to something like Daily and Stable releases or Daily and Quarterly releases. Keeping the term Monthly is just going to cause confusion with users and fifty billion questions of why do we have monthly still when we don't have monthy. -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] LXQt ISO Testing - Hang After Loading Initramfs
I do notice once logged in, seems the session is not setup properly for the user. loginctl list-session shows Session UID USER SEAT 1 0root seat0 So nm-applet fails as it can't find UID 1000 which is sabayonuser. Expect results should be: Session UID USERSEAT 2 1000 sabayonuser seat0 1 0root seat0 Issue with login manager I assume On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:39 PM, KJS wrote: > Try the Sept 29th ISO, it boot here for me. I used dd to create the usb > live stick > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Mitch Harder < > mitch.har...@sabayonlinux.org> wrote: > >> I was testing a recent LXQt DAILY -dev ISO on a USB stick, and it hung >> after loading the initramfs. >> >> This seems similar to a bug I experienced a long time ago where the >> initramfs cannot find the USB stick after bootstrapping. >> >> I know the LXQt spin is lightly tested, but I think the initramfs is >> pretty much the same on all isos, so this may be a common problem. >> >> The image name is: Sabayon_Linux_DAILY_amd64_LXQt-dev.iso >> >> The BUILD_INFO: >> >> # cat /mnt/usbdev/BUILD_INFO >> >> Sabayon ISO image build information >> Built on: Sat Sep 24 22:11:32 UTC 2016 >> >> I'm attaching the compressed rdsosreport.txt file. >> >> >> >> > > > -- > KJS > ~wolfden~ > > > > -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Testing DAILY ISO
I tested Mate - dev yesterday and only thing discovered was the VirtualBox pop-up window still exists after install. I only tested in a vmware machine, but it tested solid for me. On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:03 PM, sabayonino wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I've updated all ISOs to 20160920 (via rsync) > > > > Now I'm installing Mate-DEV edition > > > > I can see new splash logo > > > > Localization is set fine (system , keyboard and installer are set to it_IT) > > > > - Standard partition (/boot / /home) - No encryption for Home > > > > Installation was completed without errors. > > > > Booting new Sabayon . All is fine. Ready to start > > > > I'm going to be test Mate-DEV with Encripted home > > > > then I'll test Xfce-DEV and KDE-DEV ASAP > > ..I'll try Gnome also :X ... :D > > > > I'm testing SL running my new Skylake HW > > > > see cookbug attachment for all info > > > > regards :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon Server and BTRFS
You would have to check on the calmares development site. I don't know of any time frames, best to subscribe to their mail list or something to keep up with latest stuff. I think they just added LUKS to calamares 2.0, but don't quote me on that. You can install btrfs-tools while on the live disk, but yea it would be good to have the package available instantly. On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Geaaru wrote: > Ok, thanks for info. > > Probably it is needed also add btrfs-tools inside package list of the iso > so it is possible use btrfs tool for check filesystem without install > manually at runtime. > > Is there a milestone for add support to btrfs in Calamares ? With > eventually support of subvolumes ? > > Thanks again for the support. > > G. > > On Tue, 2016-05-24 at 11:10 -0500, Wolfden wrote: > > It's Calamares, afaik it's not supporting it yet. What you can do is > pre-partition everything with like gparted or something and than just point > the installer to the partitions to use. That is what I did and calamares > had no problem installing to the btrfs partitions. I've never been a fan > of installers doing the partitioning anyway, just one more thing to go > wrong. > > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Geaaru wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I begin to use Sabayon server version 16.06 but it seems that BTRFS > filesystem is not available on manual installation process. While on > desktop edition is available. > > Why is not available BRTFS on server Edition? > > Is not present also btrfs-tools for maintenance and/or check server. > > Thanks in advance > > G. > > > > > > > -- > KJS > ~wolfden~ > > > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon Server and BTRFS
It's Calamares, afaik it's not supporting it yet. What you can do is pre-partition everything with like gparted or something and than just point the installer to the partitions to use. That is what I did and calamares had no problem installing to the btrfs partitions. I've never been a fan of installers doing the partitioning anyway, just one more thing to go wrong. On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Geaaru wrote: > Hi guys, > > I begin to use Sabayon server version 16.06 but it seems that BTRFS > filesystem is not available on manual installation process. While on > desktop edition is available. > > Why is not available BRTFS on server Edition? > > Is not present also btrfs-tools for maintenance and/or check server. > > Thanks in advance > > G. > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] New SCR Developer: Ben "optiz0r" Roberts
A very hard work he is, look forward to more of your work :) Just don't take any wooden nickles for tips ;) On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Drew Kelling wrote: > Congrats optiz0r!!! > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Ettore Di Giacinto < > mud...@sabayonlinux.org> wrote: > >> Good day everyone, >> >> It is my pleasure to announce a new SCR developer. Ben "optiz0r" Roberts >> is joining us from UK, and he will be the SCR Developer Chef. Most of you >> already know him, he is a member of the community and a Sabayon user since >> a long time. This is how he describes himself: >> >> "Sysadmin by trade and Sabayon user for the last 8+ years" >> >> Please give him a warm welcome! >> Cheers, >> Ettore >> >> >> >> > > > > -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] Bots - IRC
I would like to see a change with #sabayon-dev and it's bots. The bots are great and all, but it's too much. It makes it difficult to scroll back and follow along in conversation. I would much prefer have the dev channel for humans to discuss. How about another channel for the bots? #sabayon-activity or something. -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Suggestion : systemd log size and cleanup
Well, like myself, I was totally unaware of this as systemd is new to me and so I assume there are many many other peeps out there that don't know this either. It could save a headache for someone down the road. On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 5:51 AM, Joost Ruis wrote: > We could change the config for our images using molecule. I'm fine with > that. Just as long we keep the package (systemd and the config it ships) > itself vanilla. > > /me puts on his party hat. > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Wolfden wrote: > >> party pooper >> >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 5:42 AM, Joost Ruis >> wrote: >> >>> I'd leave it for users to decide. >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Wolfden wrote: >>> >>>> I think this is a great idea >>>> >>>> fresh install not to old here >>>> spongebob # journalctl --disk-usage >>>> Archived and active journals take up 400.0M on disk. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:11 PM, sabayonino >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>>>> Hash: SHA256 >>>>> >>>>> Hi folks :D >>>>> >>>>> recently I've cleaup over 6Gb of systemd logs (!!!) >>>>> >>>>> journalctl --vacuum-time=4weeks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> /etc/systemd/journald.conf >>>>> >>>>> this parameter is empty >>>>> #SystemMaxUse= >>>>> I think 1G or 500M , (depends from root size) is pretty good >>>>> >>>>> I suggest to set this variable in our ISOs to prevent fill root >>>>> partition over time. A newby can't check this >>>>> >>>>> If you cant touch journald config , can you add a logrotate rule or >>>>> something else to do this. >>>>> >>>>> Tnx for your attentions :) >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>> Version: GnuPG v2 >>>>> >>>>> iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWxOH3AAoJEFfOIdEFlHaQa3gH/jF/38MvaV8nti6ugPh6JlUP >>>>> e4bz5l6QJVwSNs2oW8lmDHf4VrV6JKM0f9TDpLyaDON9O28yLrqoWW0l0qyi1cz4 >>>>> JA57GlxXQUTP6ZhReAC5h7bLrJfyqopVAGusLbW3500Iqwp7SNJDnBMgJp06cYXf >>>>> gCA0vrOWMUazveHvIq/HAG2S7HaMRACc7GchS3dZCiXhh8aM6YTSzH+sAGSBR3ey >>>>> C/gJek92zcXbCslI5T+IVovLIuNISR+NJDH9C6g9nuRJ5vPbAUox2VhcRnxP3TxX >>>>> 0cjiX5QwCK/RC6rWBQR3j+DKo0vbBJbbrx5o1elWLUqR/pHGUNtHZb2QruguYPk= >>>>> =FCAG >>>>> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> KJS >>>> ~wolfden~ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> KJS >> ~wolfden~ >> >> >> >> > > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Suggestion : systemd log size and cleanup
party pooper On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 5:42 AM, Joost Ruis wrote: > I'd leave it for users to decide. > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Wolfden wrote: > >> I think this is a great idea >> >> fresh install not to old here >> spongebob # journalctl --disk-usage >> Archived and active journals take up 400.0M on disk. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:11 PM, sabayonino wrote: >> >>> >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA256 >>> >>> Hi folks :D >>> >>> recently I've cleaup over 6Gb of systemd logs (!!!) >>> >>> journalctl --vacuum-time=4weeks >>> >>> >>> /etc/systemd/journald.conf >>> >>> this parameter is empty >>> #SystemMaxUse= >>> I think 1G or 500M , (depends from root size) is pretty good >>> >>> I suggest to set this variable in our ISOs to prevent fill root >>> partition over time. A newby can't check this >>> >>> If you cant touch journald config , can you add a logrotate rule or >>> something else to do this. >>> >>> Tnx for your attentions :) >>> >>> regards >>> >>> >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >>> Version: GnuPG v2 >>> >>> iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWxOH3AAoJEFfOIdEFlHaQa3gH/jF/38MvaV8nti6ugPh6JlUP >>> e4bz5l6QJVwSNs2oW8lmDHf4VrV6JKM0f9TDpLyaDON9O28yLrqoWW0l0qyi1cz4 >>> JA57GlxXQUTP6ZhReAC5h7bLrJfyqopVAGusLbW3500Iqwp7SNJDnBMgJp06cYXf >>> gCA0vrOWMUazveHvIq/HAG2S7HaMRACc7GchS3dZCiXhh8aM6YTSzH+sAGSBR3ey >>> C/gJek92zcXbCslI5T+IVovLIuNISR+NJDH9C6g9nuRJ5vPbAUox2VhcRnxP3TxX >>> 0cjiX5QwCK/RC6rWBQR3j+DKo0vbBJbbrx5o1elWLUqR/pHGUNtHZb2QruguYPk= >>> =FCAG >>> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> KJS >> ~wolfden~ >> >> >> >> > > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Suggestion : systemd log size and cleanup
I think this is a great idea fresh install not to old here spongebob # journalctl --disk-usage Archived and active journals take up 400.0M on disk. On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:11 PM, sabayonino wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi folks :D > > recently I've cleaup over 6Gb of systemd logs (!!!) > > journalctl --vacuum-time=4weeks > > > /etc/systemd/journald.conf > > this parameter is empty > #SystemMaxUse= > I think 1G or 500M , (depends from root size) is pretty good > > I suggest to set this variable in our ISOs to prevent fill root > partition over time. A newby can't check this > > If you cant touch journald config , can you add a logrotate rule or > something else to do this. > > Tnx for your attentions :) > > regards > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWxOH3AAoJEFfOIdEFlHaQa3gH/jF/38MvaV8nti6ugPh6JlUP > e4bz5l6QJVwSNs2oW8lmDHf4VrV6JKM0f9TDpLyaDON9O28yLrqoWW0l0qyi1cz4 > JA57GlxXQUTP6ZhReAC5h7bLrJfyqopVAGusLbW3500Iqwp7SNJDnBMgJp06cYXf > gCA0vrOWMUazveHvIq/HAG2S7HaMRACc7GchS3dZCiXhh8aM6YTSzH+sAGSBR3ey > C/gJek92zcXbCslI5T+IVovLIuNISR+NJDH9C6g9nuRJ5vPbAUox2VhcRnxP3TxX > 0cjiX5QwCK/RC6rWBQR3j+DKo0vbBJbbrx5o1elWLUqR/pHGUNtHZb2QruguYPk= > =FCAG > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Best practices for add/create a mirror of packages repository
Hi! Have you seen? https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=Mirroring_Sabayon On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Geaaru wrote: > Hi, > > on wiki I don't found link that describe how create a mirror of sabayon > packages repository. Where I can found an howto about this ? > > What is best practices for create a mirror ? > For both community repository or custom repository ? > > Is it needed only classic rsysnc of ../standard/*/* directories ? > > Thanks in advance for support. > > Happy New Year to all Sabayon Team! > > -- > -- > -- > Geaaru > > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] vagrant issues
Hmmm, it sticks at the floppy line in the pic, I can than hit enter key and it drops down to a prompt for login. Must be my system than, I probably will have to dig deeper than. Weird, it worked fine last time I used it, just wanted to see if anyone else have issue. On Dec 29, 2015 2:58 AM, "Ettore Di Giacinto" wrote: > i just used the vagrant box on my linux server and everything went fine, > can you tell when get stuck? boot process or after? from the screenshot > seems it boots up > > The box wasn't updated since several months, it is the same box of when > you wrote the article! Latest build is Nov 12, 2015 > > Il giorno mar 29 dic 2015 alle ore 04:45 Wolfden ha > scritto: > >> Anyone using vagrant on windows? It seems I am unable to boot up >> vagrant. I even did a remove box and add box and wiped out all VMs. >> >> Vagrant gets stuck on default: Error: Connection timeout. Retrying... >> >> I can fire up VB and see why, it doesn't finish loading. >> >> https://github.com/wolfden/wolfden.github.io/blob/master/img/vagrant.jpg >> >> It gets to the floppy part and just sits there, I can hit enter to log >> in, but not able to get any logs. I am gonna have to assume it's a box >> issue or my puter is having a case of the Mondays. >> >> -- >> KJS >> ~wolfden~ >> > > > >
[sabayon-dev] vagrant issues
Anyone using vagrant on windows? It seems I am unable to boot up vagrant. I even did a remove box and add box and wiped out all VMs. Vagrant gets stuck on default: Error: Connection timeout. Retrying... I can fire up VB and see why, it doesn't finish loading. https://github.com/wolfden/wolfden.github.io/blob/master/img/vagrant.jpg It gets to the floppy part and just sits there, I can hit enter to log in, but not able to get any logs. I am gonna have to assume it's a box issue or my puter is having a case of the Mondays. -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] rigo - not authorized
hmmm, been seeing it on the forum also, I haven't tried it myself yet. I don't use rigo much On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Sławomir Nizio wrote: > Hello, > > I can see people on the IRC channel asking how to start Rigo and stating > something about an "not authorized" message. > > Is there any regression? > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] July 6th ISO test of MATE
Trying out the Mate ISO and some quick findings --- No desktop icon for the Installer but is located in system tools menu as calamares, which a lot of people are not going to know what that is. I didn't try an install with the new installer, but it launch right up upon clicking on it. --- journalctl -b -p err results in - Jul 10 07:31:31 sabayon pulseaudio[2078]: [pulseaudio] bluez5-util.c: GetManagedObjects() failed: org.freedesktop.systemd1.LoadFailed: Unit dbus-org.bluez.service fail ^^ solution: systemctl enable bluetooth --- an immediate deptest provides: sabayon sabayonuser # equo deptest --ask ☛ ☛ Entropy is running off a Live System ☛ Performance and stability could get severely compromised ☛ ╠ @@ Running dependency test... ╠ @@ These are the dependencies not found: ╠# ~dev-perl/Module-Build-0.400.300 ╠ # Needed by: ╠ # virtual/perl-Module-Build-0.400.300 Would you like to install the packages ? [Yes/No] No sabayon sabayonuser # equo install dev-perl/Module-Build ☛ ☛ Entropy is running off a Live System ☛ Performance and stability could get severely compromised ☛ ╠ @@ Calculating dependencies... ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-Perl-OSType-1.7.0|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-Test-Harness-3.330.0|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-ExtUtils-ParseXS-3.240.0|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-ExtUtils-CBuilder-0.280.217-r2|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-JSON-PP-2.272.30|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-CPAN-Meta-YAML-0.12.0-r1|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-ExtUtils-Command-1.180.0-r2|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-ExtUtils-Install-1.670.0|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] perl-core/ExtUtils-Manifest-1.700.0|2 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-ExtUtils-Manifest-1.700.0-r1|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] perl-core/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.40.0-r1|2 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta-1.441.400-r1|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-version-0.990.900-r2|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-CPAN-Meta-Requirements-2.125.0-r1|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] perl-core/CPAN-Meta-2.143.240|2 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-CPAN-Meta-2.143.240|1 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-Module-Metadata-1.0.19|0 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-Text-ParseWords-3.290.0-r1|3 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] virtual/perl-ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.40.0|1 ╠ ## [N] [sabayonlinux.org] dev-perl/Module-Build-0.421.400|0 ╠ @@ Packages needing to be installed/updated/downgraded: 20 ╠ @@ Packages needing to be removed: 0 ╠ @@ Download size: 692.2kB ╠ @@ Used disk space: 1.3MB ╠ @@ You need at least: 2.6MB of free space ╠ @@ You need to accept the licenses below: ╠ :: License: GPL-1+, needed by: ╠ # [from:sabayonlinux.org] perl-core/CPAN-Meta-2.143.240 ╠ # [from:sabayonlinux.org] dev-perl/Module-Build-0.421.400 ╠ # [from:sabayonlinux.org] perl-core/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.40.0-r1 ╠ # [from:sabayonlinux.org] perl-core/ExtUtils-Manifest-1.700.0 ╠ Please select an option ╠ (1) Read the license ╠ (2) Accept the license (I've read it) ╠ (3) Accept the license and don't ask anymore (I've read it) ╠ (0) Quit Your choice (type a number and press enter): Might have to add package to molecule build list -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Xfce dev iso, couple things...
notice - you will need to run journalctl -b -p err as root to see the errors I forgot about the 3rd issue, which I can't seem to find a solution for yet avahi-daemon[1731]: chroot.c: open() failed: No such file or directory maybe someone else has some insight on that error On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:26 AM, Wolfden wrote: > ~~Augh, think I sent last email to the wrong list, so resending~~ > > I'm noticing on the XFCE dev iso an error on every boot that bluetooth is > failing to load. > > [pulseaudio] bluez5-util.c: GetManagedObjects() failed: > org.freedesktop.systemd1.LoadFailed: Unit dbus-org.bluez.service failed to > load: No such file or directory. > > Fix: systemctl enable bluetooth > > > Not sure if issue is on other iso's, maybe someone else can confirm? > > > journalctl -b -p err << should show the error if so > > - > > > I also notice that pulseaudio is trying to start twice. In some researching > of the issue it seems we have > > > /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop > > > From what I read, the Desktop manager will load pulseaudio on it's own, so we > are trying to start pulseaudio twice. > > > Fix: rename /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop to something like > pulseaudio.none > > > and the error message in boot up log will go away and pulseaudio still works. > > > Regardless, pulseaudio works even if we are trying to start it twice, it just > kills the second one. > > > Again - journalctl -b -p err will confirm the message of pulseaudio killing > it, not sure if present on other iso's but I assume both issues are. > > > > -- > KJS > ~wolfden~ > -- KJS ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] Xfce dev iso, couple things...
~~Augh, think I sent last email to the wrong list, so resending~~ I'm noticing on the XFCE dev iso an error on every boot that bluetooth is failing to load. [pulseaudio] bluez5-util.c: GetManagedObjects() failed: org.freedesktop.systemd1.LoadFailed: Unit dbus-org.bluez.service failed to load: No such file or directory. Fix: systemctl enable bluetooth Not sure if issue is on other iso's, maybe someone else can confirm? journalctl -b -p err << should show the error if so - I also notice that pulseaudio is trying to start twice. In some researching of the issue it seems we have /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop >From what I read, the Desktop manager will load pulseaudio on it's own, so we are trying to start pulseaudio twice. Fix: rename /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop to something like pulseaudio.none and the error message in boot up log will go away and pulseaudio still works. Regardless, pulseaudio works even if we are trying to start it twice, it just kills the second one. Again - journalctl -b -p err will confirm the message of pulseaudio killing it, not sure if present on other iso's but I assume both issues are. -- KJS ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] Latest MATE dev iso
Booted up to test the dev MATE, when the desktop loads the Sabayon wallpaper is not the default wallpaper, some green stripped wallpaper is. The Sabayon wallpapers aren't even in the default selection of wallpapers in the Appearance Preferances, one has to click add to see the Sabayon wallpapers. Not sure if this is the desired behavior, but I think the Sabayon wallpaper should at least be the default paper one sees when the desktop loads. As far as the Appearance Prefrences selection of wallpapers, no biggie, but it would be nice to have the sabayon wallpapers show up there. -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Hop feature of equo/entropy
afaik the hop is depreciated as we moved to a rolling release many years ago. For example when sabayon was 3.0 to get to 4.0 one would of used the hop command to get to the 4.0 repo to upgrade to 4.0, but there is no need for that now since we are rolling now. On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Ge@@ru wrote: > Hi guys, > > I have a quetion about "hop" feature, that I think could be used to > permit management of different revisions on repository server. > Is this correct ? > > Why execution of hop command change branch on all repositories > configured and not only with a particular repository ? Why doesn't > permit configuration of diffent branch in different repositories ? > > For example permit both: > > sabayon.linux.org 5 > > repos2.org 1 > > on same os. > > Is there a particular motivation or not ? > > If not I will investigate to permit customization of hop feature for > repository. > > Thanks in advance. > > I hope for a feedback. > > G. > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] New Sabayon daily images, with sabayon-limbo enabled will start being built
I assume these will be in their own folder on the mirrors than or is this replacing the Daily's? On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > Molecule (which got moved to andromeda), will start building -dev ISO > images (that will be uploaded to mirrors every 3 days) for every DAILY > image we currently support. > > Those -dev ISO images will be built with sabayon-limbo enabled. > This will hopefully help us catching issues before limbo packages hit > the main repo. > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] kde-base/dolphin-plugins is empty (useless?) without any enabled USE flags (0 files provided)
file a bug report requesting the USE flag enabled On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:14 AM, pierigno wrote: > Hi there, > > kde-base/dolphin-plugins can provide git, bazaar and mercual > integration in dolphin as of 4.12.4, and also dropbox in 4.13, but > needs the corresponding USE flags enabled (which now are all > disabled). > > I don't know if you intentionally packaged it that way for some > reason, but if that's the case wouldn'it be better to not package it > at all and let users just use the portage version? > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Fast TSC calibration failed
Yes I am seeing this also On Mar 19, 2014 3:25 PM, "Joost Ruis" wrote: > > Hi, > > I noticed that a kernel error line was flashing on my screen while booting. This made the transition from plymouth to KDM (or whatever DM) a bit ugly. A short black screen flicker with this message printed. > > To resolve this I found this: http://penguintengil.wordpress.com/2012/11/03/solving-error-0-00-fast-tsc-calibration-failed-when-booting-in-fedora-16/ > > What I did was edit /etc/default/grub and add clocksource=acpi_pm to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" var. and regenerated my grub.cfg > > This resolved it for me > > Am I the only one who noticed/suffers from this? Is this something to perm include in our boot line? > > Cheers. > > >
Re: [sabayon-dev] Cinnamon question
https://lists.sabayon.org/mailman/listinfo/devel On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Gary Gilbert wrote: > How there is no link > On Feb 19, 2014 5:21 AM, "Wolfden" wrote: > >> Try unsubscribing, sheesh >> >> On Feb 19, 2014 6:14 AM, "Gary Gilbert" >> wrote: >> > >> > Stop filling up my god damn email >> > >> >> >> >> > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Cinnamon question
Try unsubscribing, sheesh On Feb 19, 2014 6:14 AM, "Gary Gilbert" wrote: > > Stop filling up my god damn email >
Re: [sabayon-dev] request for sys-block/megacli
file a bug request. please see - https://forum.sabayon.org/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=13891 On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > Could you add the sys-block/megacli package of Gentoo in Sabayon, > please? > > -- > Nicolas Sebrecht > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] This is kinda annoying
Something has changed wolflappy wolfden # equo install entropy >> !!! No match for entropy in repositories. >>? When you wrote entropy You Meant(tm) one of these below? >> # dev-haskell/entropy:0 >> # sys-apps/entropy:0 >> # sys-apps/entropy-server:0 >> # app-misc/entropy_unittest:1 >> No packages found. so now one has to do equo install sys-apps/entropy -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] xfce still not booting to desktop
Sabayon_Linux_DAILY_amd64_ForensicsXfce.iso built from the xfce iso, so generally if Forensics is broke so is xfce since xfce is it's core On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > What ISO image are you trying? > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] xfce still not booting to desktop
augh systemctl start lightdm.service On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Wolfden wrote: > Ok, since we got lightdm now on the iso, do we need to do something in > molecule to get the desktop to load as I had to > > systemctl enable lightdm.service > systemctl start light.service > > xfce currently just boots to a command prompt > > -- > KJS > ~wolfden~ > -- KJS ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] xfce still not booting to desktop
Ok, since we got lightdm now on the iso, do we need to do something in molecule to get the desktop to load as I had to systemctl enable lightdm.service systemctl start light.service xfce currently just boots to a command prompt -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Daily XFCE boots to XDM
Thanks The joys of learning something new :-) On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > I will have a look at this as soon as possible. > I am busy until after the 6th. > > You don't want to edit files, you want to "systemctl enable lxdm" and > "systemctl start lxdm". > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Daily XFCE boots to XDM
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Wolfden wrote: > > The daily XFCE hasn't boot properly in the last 3 weeks. I figured as we > > switched over to systemd it would work out eventually, but posting > anyway. > > > > XFCE boots up to the XMD login box, which is a weird looking box, I don't > > recall ever seeing this. > > > > I check the /etc/conf.d/xdm and display manager is set to "xdm" I > believe > > it should be set to "gdm" since that is what is installed. I change to > > "gdm" than issue > > > > systemctl stop xdm > > systemctl status xdm and it reports it dead > > systemctl start xdm > > > > and I am brought back to the xdm login box, as if systemd doesn't use the > > /etc/conf.d/xdm file. I have no idea if it does or doesn't as I a noob > to > > systemd. > > systemd does not use the braindead /etc/conf.d/xdm. > > > > > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > ahhh thanks for the tip I did some digging in the package list and I am no seeing a package for lxdm, which is what I believe it use to be and it's not there. So equo install lxdm and I edited the xdm.service file and it's set to xdm so I edited for lxdm /usr/sbin/lxdm restarted xdm and I got the lxdm and was able to log into xfce desktop So two things - need to have lxdm and edit xdm.service file pointing to it -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Daily XFCE boots to XDM
I want to stress this is a live session to repeat download xfce daily iso create a live usb with iso boot it expected results - XFCE desktop actual results - XDM login box On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Wolfden wrote: > The daily XFCE hasn't boot properly in the last 3 weeks. I figured as we > switched over to systemd it would work out eventually, but posting anyway. > > XFCE boots up to the XMD login box, which is a weird looking box, I don't > recall ever seeing this. > > I check the /etc/conf.d/xdm and display manager is set to "xdm" I believe > it should be set to "gdm" since that is what is installed. I change to > "gdm" than issue > > systemctl stop xdm > systemctl status xdm and it reports it dead > systemctl start xdm > > and I am brought back to the xdm login box, as if systemd doesn't use the > /etc/conf.d/xdm file. I have no idea if it does or doesn't as I a noob to > systemd. > > So hoping to look at log files and apparently systemd don't make the log > files? I can't find /var/log/messages or /var/log/dmesg > > A side note, I have to edit the grub line and remove all that fancy > graphical commands to get display to work. If I leave the default grub > line as is, my monitor goes to sleep and I can't do a thing to get it to > display. ctrl alt f1 does nothing. If I remove everything starting with > splash to --quiet in grub I get my display. Intel graphics - I can maybe > get more info once the xdm issue is solved. > > What is best way to get info on the xdm issue? > > -- > KJS > ~wolfden~ > -- KJS ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] Daily XFCE boots to XDM
The daily XFCE hasn't boot properly in the last 3 weeks. I figured as we switched over to systemd it would work out eventually, but posting anyway. XFCE boots up to the XMD login box, which is a weird looking box, I don't recall ever seeing this. I check the /etc/conf.d/xdm and display manager is set to "xdm" I believe it should be set to "gdm" since that is what is installed. I change to "gdm" than issue systemctl stop xdm systemctl status xdm and it reports it dead systemctl start xdm and I am brought back to the xdm login box, as if systemd doesn't use the /etc/conf.d/xdm file. I have no idea if it does or doesn't as I a noob to systemd. So hoping to look at log files and apparently systemd don't make the log files? I can't find /var/log/messages or /var/log/dmesg A side note, I have to edit the grub line and remove all that fancy graphical commands to get display to work. If I leave the default grub line as is, my monitor goes to sleep and I can't do a thing to get it to display. ctrl alt f1 does nothing. If I remove everything starting with splash to --quiet in grub I get my display. Intel graphics - I can maybe get more info once the xdm issue is solved. What is best way to get info on the xdm issue? -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Clementine and libmtp support
You can request packages and package changes at: http://bugs.sabayonlinux.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Entropy&format=packreq That would be the best method for such things On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Jacobo Reveles wrote: > Hi, > I have an android device, samsung galaxy S3. I would like to use > Clementine to transfer songs to my device, but Clementine is showing an > error message: > > "This is an MTP device, but you compiled Clementine without libmtp support. > If you continue, this device will work slowly and songs copied to it may > not work" > > So I would like to request if you could offer the Clementine binary with > the libmtp use flag turned on. > > Or would it be better to compile it myself with that use flag rather than > having the binary for everybody ? > > > Thanks, > Jacobo > > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] [RFC] Ending 32bit support?
I for killing it off too On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Ian Whyman wrote: > As always I am very much pro this. > On 1 May 2013 07:30, "Fabio Erculiani" wrote: > >> So, x86_64 is more than 10 years old now, and it's time to think again >> about the i686 architecture. >> I am proposing to gradually drop support for x86 32bit by the end of >> 2013 (the "how" would deserve a separate discussion). >> Is there any serious reason not to kill 32bit? Maintaining it takes >> 50% of our resources (time and space) and we could just dedicate some >> of them to the other emerging architecture called ARM. >> >> This is just an RFC for now, don't get scared. >> >> Cheers, >> -- >> Fabio Erculiani >> >> > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] Observations with latest
I took last live build of Sabayon Forensics x86_64, added limbo and installed MATE 1.6 to see how well it worked. I know limbo is testing now, just want to point out something equo install @mate At the installation of app-admin/eselect-sysvinit, sys-fs/udev is uninstalled. A equo deptest pulls it back. After install and deptest, MATE loads fine, but checking sabayonx86-64 sabayonuser # eselect settingsd list Available settingsd implementations: [1] systemd sabayonx86-64 sabayonuser # eselect sysvinit list Available sysvinit implementations: [1] systemd sabayonx86-64 sabayonuser # I see joost posted: xbox-360 joost # eselect sysvinit list Available sysvinit implementations: [1] systemd * [2] sysvinit Seems I missing sysvinit option. Not sure if this is relevant, just wanted to bring it up is all. Oh yea, like mva in irc I hit http://paste.pirate-party.ru/1b84ebc2.txt with installation of sys-apps/systemd. Entropy log attached for reference -- KJS ~wolfden~ entropy.log.tar.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data
[sabayon-dev] Slow Internet on Live USB
I wasn't paying attention, but I'm gonna guess like a month ago or so something changed with networking. I noticed web browsers were taking longer to load pages, but I never really paid attention to it till I ran across someone (not related to Sabayon) having a similar issue with a simple solution. localhost sabayonuser # route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 0.0.0.0 10.48.208.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 eth0 10.48.208.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 1 00 eth0 127.0.0.0127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 lo notice the 1 under Metric What fixes the issue and allows browsers to open pages at normal speeds: localhost sabayonuser # dhclient -r localhost sabayonuser # dhclient localhost sabayonuser # route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 0.0.0.0 10.48.208.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 eth0 10.48.208.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 lo Curious if anyone else is running into behavior? Nothing has changed here at my work that I am aware of. -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Dailys Don't Boot
:-) Thanks On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > ISO images haven't been pushed to mirror since March 20, and the > working XfceForensic build is >=March 23. > > I will fix this. > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Dailys Don't Boot
I'm gonna try a different USB drive but ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/sabayonlinux/iso/daily/Sabayon_Linux_DAILY_amd64_ForensicsXfce.iso 1.7 GB3/16/13 12:31:00 PM sys-kernel/linux-sabayon-3.8 On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > I read that the build date for them is still: > 16-Mar-2013 13:31 > > Let me see > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Dailys Don't Boot
Weird, I just tried the 3/16/ daily Forensics and problem is still there. Has the fix been applied to the dailys? On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Joost Ruis wrote: > Confirm it now works. > > Well done Fabio! > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Fabio Erculiani > wrote: > > I fixed it. > > > http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/genkernel.git;a=commit;h=4c93a5adb7dd45cfeddba111f5c51902f5eac3a8 > > > http://git.sabayon.org/overlays/sabayon.git/commit/?id=01a242a0b82700afffeda2325a6bf4b4b3e46c3b > > > > -- > > Fabio Erculiani > > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Dailys Don't Boot
Thanks! On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > The new kernel works! > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Dailys Don't Boot
burnt to dvd and booted just fine sabayonuser@localhost ~ $ uname -a Linux localhost 3.8.0-sabayon #1 SMP Fri Feb 22 23:26:20 UTC 2013 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7500 @ 2.93GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux so your hunch is probably correct On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > It is definitely a kernel bug, I'm quite sure. > And, I also think it's related to the USB subsystem. Could you try to > burn the ISO image to a DVD disc and boot off it? > Going to do the same here > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Dailys Don't Boot
So some progress than. Seems like it doesn't effect VM setups and some hardware. 2/9/13 x86_64 Forensics boots * sabayonuser@localhost ~ $ uname -a Linux localhost 3.7.0-sabayon #1 SMP Wed Jan 23 20:51:11 UTC 2013 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7500 @ 2.93GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux* * * *With latest daily Interactive Mode only works for so long, but I ran across errors like:* * * *sh: //sbin/fbsplashd.static: Input/output error* * failed to start splash daemon* * error code 32256* * * *fsck* */etc/init.d/fsck line 83: /bin/rm: Input/output error* */etc/init.d/sbin/fsck line 90: Input.output error* *filesystem couldn't be fixed* *rc: aborting* *fsck caught SIGTERM, aborting* *failed to open /lib64/splash/cached/.splash: No such file for directory* *sh: /bin/sed: Input/Output error* *Init: Entering run level:3* * * The agetty thing happens and no more keyboard and mouse. For some reason, I recall an issue we had in the past long time ago with agetty, but can't remember it. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > I have been able to reproduce it on one of my systems, booting off USB. > I tried booting with aufs on and off (off = copy to tmpfs) and I get I/O > errors. > I am starting to believe that there is a kernel bug involved. > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- KJS ~wolfden~ localhost sabayonuser # lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset DRAM Controller (rev 03) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 00:1a.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 00:1a.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB UHCI Controller #6 00:1a.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) PCI Express Root Port 1 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) PCI Express Root Port 3 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 90) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JIR (ICH10R) LPC Interface Controller 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) SATA AHCI Controller 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) SMBus Controller 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)
Re: [sabayon-dev] Dailys Don't Boot
do et, I can try the Interactive, but whenever I tried, mouse and keyboard where dead to me, so will try again On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Joost Ruis wrote: > Calm down let's have a testing session this week so we all can report > our issues. yes? > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Wolfden wrote: > > Fine, it doesn't finish booting, happy now? > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Fabio Erculiani > wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Wolfden wrote: > >> > I realize that, impossible to get anything. You can not get logs, > >> > otherwise > >> > I would of posted em. > >> > >> This is a bold claim, the system boots. You can interactively boot as > >> well (press "I" when OpenRC says so), you can start in debug mode, > >> etc. > >> I booted almost every daily ISO image in VirtualBox (and on a bunch of > >> real systems) and I haven't gotten any problem: this is a statement of > >> the same quality of yours, no detail on what I actually booted, no > >> version information, nothing. > >> I am not really sure of what I am supposed to do, just saying "it does > >> not boot" doesn't help me and doesn't help you. > >> > >> > I looked at the forum post, seems he got it to work > >> > on one machine, but not another. I've tried it on two machines at > work > >> > and > >> > it won't boot. I know the one machine is pretty much all intel stuff, > >> > not > >> > sure what the other machine is, I assume intel. The guy on the forum, > >> > his > >> > is also intel. He is using KDE, I tried MATE x86 and Forensics x86_64 > >> > isos, > >> > so it seems it's all the isos. Forum link has screenshots of it, > about > >> > as > >> > much info one is gonna get. > >> > >> As long as everybody keeps "assuming" things somebody else is writing, > >> we're going nowhere. > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > KJS > >> > ~wolfden~ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Fabio Erculiani > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > KJS > > ~wolfden~ > > > > > > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Dailys Don't Boot
Fine, it doesn't finish booting, happy now? On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Wolfden wrote: > > I realize that, impossible to get anything. You can not get logs, > otherwise > > I would of posted em. > > This is a bold claim, the system boots. You can interactively boot as > well (press "I" when OpenRC says so), you can start in debug mode, > etc. > I booted almost every daily ISO image in VirtualBox (and on a bunch of > real systems) and I haven't gotten any problem: this is a statement of > the same quality of yours, no detail on what I actually booted, no > version information, nothing. > I am not really sure of what I am supposed to do, just saying "it does > not boot" doesn't help me and doesn't help you. > > > I looked at the forum post, seems he got it to work > > on one machine, but not another. I've tried it on two machines at work > and > > it won't boot. I know the one machine is pretty much all intel stuff, > not > > sure what the other machine is, I assume intel. The guy on the forum, > his > > is also intel. He is using KDE, I tried MATE x86 and Forensics x86_64 > isos, > > so it seems it's all the isos. Forum link has screenshots of it, about > as > > much info one is gonna get. > > As long as everybody keeps "assuming" things somebody else is writing, > we're going nowhere. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > KJS > > ~wolfden~ > > > > > > > > > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Dailys Don't Boot
Daily live usb, not an install On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Daniel Neilson wrote: > Don't mean to interject, but if you have a second system, you could just > pull the drive out of the system that's having issues and throw it in a > working system. Mount the drive and see if the logs can be pulled that way. > Or had this already been attempted? > > > Wolfden wrote: >> >> I realize that, impossible to get anything. You can not get logs, >> otherwise I would of posted em. I looked at the forum post, seems he got >> it to work on one machine, but not another. I've tried it on two machines >> at work and it won't boot. I know the one machine is pretty much all intel >> stuff, not sure what the other machine is, I assume intel. The guy on the >> forum, his is also intel. He is using KDE, I tried MATE x86 and Forensics >> x86_64 isos, so it seems it's all the isos. Forum link has screenshots of >> it, about as much info one is gonna get. >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: >> >>> So many details missing... >>> I did test the images last week and everything was working fine. >>> Cannot reproduce. >>> >>> -- >>> Fabio Erculiani >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> KJS >> ~wolfden~ >> >> >> > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Dailys Don't Boot
I realize that, impossible to get anything. You can not get logs, otherwise I would of posted em. I looked at the forum post, seems he got it to work on one machine, but not another. I've tried it on two machines at work and it won't boot. I know the one machine is pretty much all intel stuff, not sure what the other machine is, I assume intel. The guy on the forum, his is also intel. He is using KDE, I tried MATE x86 and Forensics x86_64 isos, so it seems it's all the isos. Forum link has screenshots of it, about as much info one is gonna get. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > So many details missing... > I did test the images last week and everything was working fine. > Cannot reproduce. > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] Dailys Don't Boot
Ran into a problem with last builds of not being able to boot dailys so I thought I would wait and try again with new builds, since nobody else reported anything, problem still exists and now another user reports issue https://forum.sabayon.org/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=29421&p=160269#p160269 "Cannot execute /sbin/agetty" I've tried different mirrors, checked md5sums and there is no way to get logs as system becomes totally unusable. I've used unetbootin and win32diskimager with same results. -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] the status of Sabayon on ARM
After messing around with ARM, it would not hurt my feelings to put it on hold or drop it. It's not ready for mainstream. The Linaro builds are probably the best I have messed with and at that rate, it's terribly slow. XBMC doesn't have the acceleration yet and fails miserably with video files. There is no flash, so streaming music is almost impossible from the web as most players are flash players. It's probably ok for coders that live in a terminal, but other than that, it's useless.
Re: [sabayon-dev] Call for testers: Sabayon 11 Artwork
It's not bad, are we getting tired of blue yet or are we stuck with blue forever now? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Danilo Pianini wrote: > I guess it was on the staff mailing list, so not publicly visible. > I like Andre's ideas (XI xi is a brilliant intuition), but in general > I agree it's better not to include the numbers in the artwork, since > our release cycle is quite fast, and version numbers do not have that > much sense. > > 2013/1/14 Andre Jaenisch : > > 2013/1/14 Ian Whyman : > >> Fabio was very clear on the "no version numbers on the artwork" front... > > > > Can you provide a link? I missed this topic ... > > > > Thanks, Ryuno-Ki > > > > > > -- > Ing. Dott. Danilo Pianini > > Site: http://www.danilopianini.org/ > Phone: +39 320 41 36 573 > Skype: dany.sk > > -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] isohybrid, UEFI and boot off USB
Just tried unetbootin and latest MATE build and all is good so far On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > Hi, > I switched back from cdrkit to cdrtools on the ISO build server, > because the ISO images generated by genisoimage (cdrkit's mkisofs) > were containing incorrect header information. I don't know if > unetbootin will keep working but if it won't, it's upstream fault. > However, the dd trick will keep working as usual thanks to isohybrid > and, this will now generate a working USB bootable stick for UEFI > systems as well (tested on my Mac and another UEFI-only system). > > Just a post-xmas FYI. > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] Merry Christmas to All
A moment to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. Looking forward to seeing yas in 2013 to make Sabayon even better! -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon 10 images just moved to mirrors
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > > > Simple Fabio Q&A about fglrx vs radeon: > Is there anything I can do? Not much. > Does this suck? Yes it does. > Is there anything I can do given it does suck? Not really. > What I've been always willed to do? Provide the best OOTB experience I can > do. > What can't I do? Miracles. > What do other distros do? Enable KMS by default and force people to > use "nomodeset" > Are there other distros hitting the same issues? Yes, there are > Does this suck (2)? Yes it does > Will the situation improve in future? Yes, once I enable KMS > What can we do in order to support HD4xxx and fglrx users? Write a > "knowledge base" and provide the release announcements with > AMD-related boot tricks. > > Are you willing to write simple directions that I can append to the > release announcement, about how to make this hardware work? (Say: > remove vga=xxx, append radeon.blah, etc?) > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > ^^^ This +1 One can't say it much better than that. A lot of hard decisions have had to come into play this year due to Upstream. We don't go out of our way to make and break stuff. We don't like to hear the moaning any more than the next person. We aren't alone in this and what hurts more is there is upstream devs that just don't care and it's going to be their way or the highway. I suggest to users to pay more attention to the equipment they do buy. If you have time and abilities, get involved in helping make things work. I know it's frustrating to see perfectly good systems getting kicked to the curb. -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] systemd on sabayon
Mohan: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/259045 https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-934678-highlight-.html Many people are not fans of Lennart so it's not an easy topic to discuss without flame suits. I personally feel it is too early yet, no need to rush to such a thing. I don't see an advantage to it either. -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Network Manager Bug?
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > For the ABI issues, wait till tomorrow (next ISO push). Molecule got > stuck on the ISO build server due to some network issues, so the > Wednesday push didn't push anything new. > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > Ok, will test the Sunday build and report back. -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Network Manager Bug?
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 2:51 PM, pierigno wrote: > that's the way wpa_supplicant should be configured on gentoo when > using NetworkManager AFAIK. The fix should go in net-setup if it's > still relevant when installing sabayon since it uses iwconfig only, > whereas the majority of wifi networks needs wpa_supplicant. > > 2012/8/4 Wolfden : > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 12:17 PM, pierigno wrote: > >> > >> if you're using wpa_supplicant for wireless networks, check that in > >> /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf you have these options: > >> > >> ctrl_interface_group=wheel > >> ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant > >> update_config=1 > >> > >> and in /etc/conf.d/net these other options: > >> > >> modules="wpa_supplicant" > >> wpa_supplicant_wlan0="-Dwext" > >> > >> don't know for wired ethernet, I manage my interface through > >> /etc/init.d/net.eth0 directly without NM > >> > >> > >> 2012/8/4 Wolfden : > >> > I'm still having issues with ABI and xfce daily live edition and > without > >> > networking abilities it's frustrating. I see we have > >> > net-misc/networkmanager-0.9.4.0-r2 which seems to have a bug > >> > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=410661 apparently fixed in: > >> > > >> > *networkmanager-0.9.4.0-r4 (05 Jul 2012) > >> > > >> > 05 Jul 2012; Alexandre Rostovtsev > >> > +files/10-openrc-status-r2, -networkmanager-0.9.4.0-r3.ebuild, > >> > +networkmanager-0.9.4.0-r4.ebuild, > >> > +files/networkmanager-0.9.4.0-dhclient-ipv6.patch: > >> > Fix the hang in 10-openrc-status that resulted in networkmanager > getting > >> > marked as 'inactive' on resuming from suspend; many thanks to Travis > >> > Hansen > >> > for the solution (bugs #410661, #417283). Fix incompatibility with > >> > net-misc/dhcp[-ipv6] (bug #335147, thanks to Rick Harris). Move polkit > >> > rules.d file to /usr/share (bug #421577 comment #12, thanks to Dennis > >> > Lissov). > >> > > >> > Why do I suspect such: > >> > > >> > I keep getting this: > >> > > >> > * Marking NetworkManager as inactive. It will automatically be marked > >> > * as started after a network connection has been established. > >> > * WARNING: NetworkManager has started, but is inactive > >> > > >> > > >> > It's not an issue if you can get the Desktop Environment to load, but > >> > since > >> > I can't get a desktop environment to load due to the ABI xorg stuff. > >> > > >> > Yes? No? I really need to get this cleared up with XFCE daily so it > >> > works > >> > again. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > KJS > >> > ~wolfden~ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ummm a work around is not a solution, this needs to be working OOTB > > > > > > -- > > KJS > > ~wolfden~ > > > > > > > > Your scenario is completely different, the issue is NM going inactive like the bug report says and has been fixed in a -r4, version -r5 is actually latest so this is why I bring it up to the ML. I'm not looking for a work around of dropping NM or editing config file and managing it, this needs to work OOTB. It works fine if you can get the desktop environment to load, but a user is stranded if the DE doesn't load. Please see the bug report posted. -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Network Manager Bug?
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 12:17 PM, pierigno wrote: > if you're using wpa_supplicant for wireless networks, check that in > /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf you have these options: > > ctrl_interface_group=wheel > ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant > update_config=1 > > and in /etc/conf.d/net these other options: > > modules="wpa_supplicant" > wpa_supplicant_wlan0="-Dwext" > > don't know for wired ethernet, I manage my interface through > /etc/init.d/net.eth0 directly without NM > > > 2012/8/4 Wolfden : > > I'm still having issues with ABI and xfce daily live edition and without > > networking abilities it's frustrating. I see we have > > net-misc/networkmanager-0.9.4.0-r2 which seems to have a bug > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=410661 apparently fixed in: > > > > *networkmanager-0.9.4.0-r4 (05 Jul 2012) > > > > 05 Jul 2012; Alexandre Rostovtsev > > +files/10-openrc-status-r2, -networkmanager-0.9.4.0-r3.ebuild, > > +networkmanager-0.9.4.0-r4.ebuild, > > +files/networkmanager-0.9.4.0-dhclient-ipv6.patch: > > Fix the hang in 10-openrc-status that resulted in networkmanager getting > > marked as 'inactive' on resuming from suspend; many thanks to Travis > Hansen > > for the solution (bugs #410661, #417283). Fix incompatibility with > > net-misc/dhcp[-ipv6] (bug #335147, thanks to Rick Harris). Move polkit > > rules.d file to /usr/share (bug #421577 comment #12, thanks to Dennis > > Lissov). > > > > Why do I suspect such: > > > > I keep getting this: > > > > * Marking NetworkManager as inactive. It will automatically be marked > > * as started after a network connection has been established. > > * WARNING: NetworkManager has started, but is inactive > > > > > > It's not an issue if you can get the Desktop Environment to load, but > since > > I can't get a desktop environment to load due to the ABI xorg stuff. > > > > Yes? No? I really need to get this cleared up with XFCE daily so it > works > > again. > > > > -- > > KJS > > ~wolfden~ > > > > > > > > ummm a work around is not a solution, this needs to be working OOTB -- KJS ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] Network Manager Bug?
I'm still having issues with ABI and xfce daily live edition and without networking abilities it's frustrating. I see we have net-misc/networkmanager-0.9.4.0-r2 which seems to have a bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=410661 apparently fixed in: *networkmanager-0.9.4.0-r4 (05 Jul 2012) 05 Jul 2012; Alexandre Rostovtsev +files/10-openrc-status-r2, -networkmanager-0.9.4.0-r3.ebuild, +networkmanager-0.9.4.0-r4.ebuild, +files/networkmanager-0.9.4.0-dhclient-ipv6.patch: Fix the hang in 10-openrc-status that resulted in networkmanager getting marked as 'inactive' on resuming from suspend; many thanks to Travis Hansen for the solution (bugs #410661 <http://bugs.gentoo.org/410661>, #417283<http://bugs.gentoo.org/417283>). Fix incompatibility with net-misc/dhcp[-ipv6] (bug #335147 <http://bugs.gentoo.org/335147>, thanks to Rick Harris). Move polkit rules.d file to /usr/share (bug #421577 <http://bugs.gentoo.org/421577> comment #12 <http://bugs.gentoo.org/12>, thanks to Dennis Lissov). Why do I suspect such: I keep getting this: * Marking NetworkManager as inactive. It will automatically be marked * as started after a network connection has been established. * WARNING: NetworkManager has started, but is inactive It's not an issue if you can get the Desktop Environment to load, but since I can't get a desktop environment to load due to the ABI xorg stuff. Yes? No? I really need to get this cleared up with XFCE daily so it works again. -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Xorg Issue with Intel?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > Just run "equo update && equo upgrade --pretend" from the Live image... > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > Yes of course if networking worked. I tried on a different machine with nvidia card, desktop loads but mouse and keyboard dead. Seems like Xorg and driver/modules not working together as if one upgraded xorg-server and forgot to upgrade the modules with it. If I recall right, Network Manager doesn't work unless the DE loads. net-setup eth0 doesn't result in anything working either. So XFCE Daily Spin must be effected also. See what Wednesday's build does. -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Xorg Issue with Intel?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:31 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > It looks like the "synaptics" and "intel" drivers are those affected. > Are you sure to have installed all the updates? What does "equo upgrade" > say? > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > This is the Daily Live ISO build day of July 28th. Testing the Live ISO from USB stick, not an install. Simply trying to boot the USB stick to test it Live. By the sounds of it the Daily Live ISO doesn't have latest stuff than. Since the desktop don't load, networking seems dead also. So at this point and time, booting the Daily Live ISO is dead for me on that machine. I will try again on the next build day for Daily ISO. -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Xorg Issue with Intel?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:02 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > Please attach the full Xorg.0.log file > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > Attached :) -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~ Xorg.0.log Description: Binary data
Re: [sabayon-dev] Xorg Issue with Intel?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > I haven't seen any other guy reporting this issue. > Please provide the full X log and make sure you're fully up-to-date. > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > This is live daily ISO, guess I didn't make that clear. Maybe the dailys don't have latest fixes? -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] Xorg Issue with Intel?
My machine that I normally test ForensicXFCE on can no longer reach the desktop. It was like that all last week too. I haven't had much time to look into it but Errors in xorg log are: Module ABI major version (13) doesn't match server's version (16) Module ABI major version (11) doesn't match server's version (12) Intel 4 series chipset and vesa makes no difference. So not sure if the intel driver needs rebuilding to be compatible or what. Seems getting back from vacation we swamped with xorg issues. -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon 9 XFCE USB Boot Problem
h, I guess I misunderstood, thought you had said a while back that current was working. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Mitch Harder wrote: > Oh, and I forgot. It's also affecting all current DAILYs. > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Mitch Harder > wrote: > > This bug affects all the Sabayon 9 final versions. > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Wolfden wrote: > >> What is the fascination with an old iso that doesn't boot? If current > daily > >> is booting, why are we wasting time on something from may? Current > daily is > >> June, every now and than a daily is goofy. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> KJS > >> ~wolfden~ > >> > >> > >> > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon 9 XFCE USB Boot Problem
What is the fascination with an old iso that doesn't boot? If current daily is booting, why are we wasting time on something from may? Current daily is June, every now and than a daily is goofy. -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Raspberry Pi
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > Yes, and the point is: do we really want to support armv6, given the > limited amount of human and hardware resources we have? I'd say NO. > And what people are going to do with the RasPi after the first 2-3 > days, hoping that their RasPi won't brick earlier (the PCB is very > fragile)? > > I am confident that you all know that the RasPi is also *really* > *really* slow. I agree with Linus here, these ARM boards are > throw-away computers. > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > ^^^ +1 -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon 9 XFCE USB Boot Problem
My main machine is and never a issue On Jun 22, 2012 4:28 PM, "Mitch Harder" wrote: > Can you confirm if you've ever run S9 on a machine partitioned with an > extended partition? > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Wolfden wrote: > > I have a acer laptop and have no problems at all booting forensics spin, > > which is built off the xfce spin. I > > test on about 3 different machines and never had it not boot. I also > use it > > out in the wild with customer's computers and always boots. So I find > this > > kinda odd. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Mitch Harder > > wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Fabio Erculiani > >> wrote: > >> > Can you try adding "doslowusb" to the boot params? > >> > > >> > >> No change with "doslowusb". It is still stopping on the extended > >> partition. > >> > >> I'm encountering this on two machines, an Acer Netbook and a Core2Duo > >> Desktop. Both these machines have worked fine booting off a USB in > >> the past, and both are halting at the extended partition. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > KJS > > ~wolfden~ > > > > > > > > >
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon 9 XFCE USB Boot Problem
I have a acer laptop and have no problems at all booting forensics spin, which is built off the xfce spin. I test on about 3 different machines and never had it not boot. I also use it out in the wild with customer's computers and always boots. So I find this kinda odd. On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Mitch Harder wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Fabio Erculiani > wrote: > > Can you try adding "doslowusb" to the boot params? > > > > No change with "doslowusb". It is still stopping on the extended > partition. > > I'm encountering this on two machines, an Acer Netbook and a Core2Duo > Desktop. Both these machines have worked fine booting off a USB in > the past, and both are halting at the extended partition. > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon.hu
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Grigore Csongor wrote: > Hello! I think and hungaryan users think, we need a hungarian website > becouse many of sabayon users don't speak english. This site will be only > fo advertising. So we don't put to the site information in + or -. We > translate the news, and we advertise the hungarian irc channel and put the > download links from sabayon.org and the wiki and pastebin from sabayon.org. > If this couse problems we don't create the site! > --- On *Thu, 5/31/12, wolfden * wrote: > > > From: wolfden > Subject: Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon.hu > To: "Sabayon public development mailing list" > Date: Thursday, May 31, 2012, 3:21 AM > > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Grigore Csongor > http://mc/compose?to=grigorecso...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > Hello! I created a prototype of sabayon.hu website. Sabayon.hu is already > registered, so now I talk with the guy who registered the domain I think > the domain will be used. So my prototype of sabayon.hu is www.sabayon.tk. > I wrote this email because I want to ask if the links to the original site > sabayon.org or some else will cause problems. Or if sabayon have some > ideas to create the site. > Grigore Csongor. > Have a nice day! > > > That I can understand, as long as things point to main site. -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon.hu
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Grigore Csongor wrote: > Hello! I created a prototype of sabayon.hu website. Sabayon.hu is already > registered, so now I talk with the guy who registered the domain I think > the domain will be used. So my prototype of sabayon.hu is www.sabayon.tk. > I wrote this email because I want to ask if the links to the original site > sabayon.org or some else will cause problems. Or if sabayon have some > ideas to create the site. > Grigore Csongor. > Have a nice day! > > > > Is there a need to create a different site? If we can keep everything together it helps everyone as they aren't jumping from site to site looking for help or whatever. People need to work together to collaborate and build one site instead of many. Anyway, that is my concern. -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] (no subject)
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Grigore Csongor wrote: > Sorry for misunderstood... the username is created now.. My username is > Mufy > > --- On *Mon, 5/28/12, Grigore Csongor * wrote: > > > From: Grigore Csongor > > Subject: Re: [sabayon-dev] (no subject) > To: "Sabayon public development mailing list" > Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 3:13 PM > > > Nice My user name is Mufy Thanks verry much! > > --- On *Mon, 5/28/12, wolfden * wrote: > > > From: wolfden > Subject: Re: [sabayon-dev] (no subject) > To: "Sabayon public development mailing list" > Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 2:42 PM > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Grigore Csongor > wrote: > > Okey! Thanks for reply! If you are created please send me an email. > Have a nice day! > > --- On *Sat, 5/26/12, Wolfden * wrote: > > > From: Wolfden > Subject: Re: [sabayon-dev] (no subject) > To: "Sabayon public development mailing list" > Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 1:23 PM > > > Yea I can do it, give me a couple days dealing with emergency in family > right now. > > On May 26, 2012 2:37 PM, "Fabio Erculiani" > http://mc/compose?to=lx...@sabayon.org>> > wrote: > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Grigore Csongor > > http://mc/compose?to=grigorecso...@yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > Hello! I want to ask if it possible to create a sabayon hungarian > subforum > > > like the romanian subforum? If it's possible I can administrate this. > For > > > few days I created with a friend the hungarian sabayon irc channel and > would > > > be nice to have a forum too. If it is not possible i create one. > Thanks! > > > Have a nice day! > > >Grigore Csongor > > > > > > > I don't see any problem personally. Wolfden? > > > > -- > > Fabio Erculiani > > > > > > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > > > > > > Forum is created now. I would need to know your forum user name to make > you a moderator of that section > > -- > Kelly Schwartz > ~wolfden~ > > > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > > > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > > > > > Ok, you should be set as moderator of that section now :-) -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] (no subject)
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Grigore Csongor wrote: > Okey! Thanks for reply! If you are created please send me an email. > Have a nice day! > > --- On *Sat, 5/26/12, Wolfden * wrote: > > > From: Wolfden > Subject: Re: [sabayon-dev] (no subject) > To: "Sabayon public development mailing list" > Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 1:23 PM > > > Yea I can do it, give me a couple days dealing with emergency in family > right now. > > On May 26, 2012 2:37 PM, "Fabio Erculiani" > http://mc/compose?to=lx...@sabayon.org>> > wrote: > > > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Grigore Csongor > > http://mc/compose?to=grigorecso...@yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > Hello! I want to ask if it possible to create a sabayon hungarian > subforum > > > like the romanian subforum? If it's possible I can administrate this. > For > > > few days I created with a friend the hungarian sabayon irc channel and > would > > > be nice to have a forum too. If it is not possible i create one. > Thanks! > > > Have a nice day! > > >Grigore Csongor > > > > > > > I don't see any problem personally. Wolfden? > > > > -- > > Fabio Erculiani > > > > > > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > > > > > Forum is created now. I would need to know your forum user name to make you a moderator of that section -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] (no subject)
Yea I can do it, give me a couple days dealing with emergency in family right now. On May 26, 2012 2:37 PM, "Fabio Erculiani" wrote: > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Grigore Csongor > wrote: > > > > Hello! I want to ask if it possible to create a sabayon hungarian subforum > > like the romanian subforum? If it's possible I can administrate this. For > > few days I created with a friend the hungarian sabayon irc channel and would > > be nice to have a forum too. If it is not possible i create one. Thanks! > > Have a nice day! > >Grigore Csongor > > > > I don't see any problem personally. Wolfden? > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > >
Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?
holy signature batman, cliff notes? On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Toderel Adrian-Aurel wrote: > well, i am x86_64 from day one of my sabayon install, many years ago ... > and with 4 GiB ram from day one, non-PAE means a loss of ram even in x86 > configurations ... wasted hdd and cpu cycles on entropy sabayon server ... > my vote is to drop it and see if someone complains ... > > my bet is that will be no angry chirping chicken > === > linux is free, but needed expertise to use this little beast > is a personal, time consuming, continuous accumulation of knowledge > and wasted time can not be rolled back no matter how much money you have > > selling free software can not bring to you too much money, > but USING free software you can make a lot of money > like Google ... or IBM > > your little help to free software development does not bring > to you any money but can help you use it more efficiently, > so you can make more money ... meanwhile, other users of > that little free software program, using your contribution > can make more money! nobody loses anything, all those who know > how to use a free software program, in continuous evolution, wins > registered linux user #352479 > > > 2012/5/15 Danilo Pianini > >> Yep, what I'm suggesting is to have only PAE for for 3.3+ kernels, but >> keep old, PAE-less kernels on our repos. >> Then, we might produce a release with an older (3.2, 3.3 or whatever) >> PAE-less kernel, making Sabayon installable everywhere. Would that be >> possible? >> >> 2012/5/15 Fabio Erculiani : >> > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Danilo Pianini >> > wrote: >> >> As Fabio said, we can still support old systems with our pre-PAE >> >> kernels (till 3.3). Considering that, I think the switch would be very >> >> good. >> >> >> >> We might want to ship a Sabayon XFCE with the non-PAE 3.3 kernel >> >> targeted to old systems. This would solve every problem IMHO. >> >> >> > >> > I am not willing to support both configurations in 3.3+ kernels. >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ing. Dott. Danilo Pianini >> >> >> >> Site: http://www.danilopianini.org/ >> >> Phone: +39 320 41 36 573 >> >> Skype: dany.sk >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Fabio Erculiani >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Ing. Dott. Danilo Pianini >> >> Site: http://www.danilopianini.org/ >> Phone: +39 320 41 36 573 >> Skype: dany.sk >> >> > > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Enabling PAE by default on x86?
meh, it's x86, do whatever to it. Majority are on x86_64 On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > ahah, > back in topic, I see more "yes" than "no", good! > Not planning to make two different kernels, one for PAE and one for > non-PAE I mean, unless it becomes strictly necessary. > I don't think this is going to happen. > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Memory Leaks in Chromium
Yea same here with memory leak and others reported it too. I've been using firefox more since chromium acting up. A stable version would be much appreciated. On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > I had memleaks problems as well, but I thought it was due to the > system upgrade I ran without closing Chromium itself (thus, without > rebooting). > > Anyway, for me it's fine to wait for 19.x to go stable, unless > memleaks get worse. > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] xfce4_radio_plugin-v4l2.o: undefined reference to symbol 'round@@GLIBC_2.1'
read -lxfce4panel-1.0 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lrt -lxfce4util > -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgio-2.0 -lpangoft2-1.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 > -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lcairo -lpango-1.0 -lfreetype -lfontconfig -lgobject-2.0 > -lglib-2.0 checking for libxfcegui4-1.0 >= 4.3.22... 4.10.0 checking > LIBXFCEGUI4_CFLAGS... -pthread -I/usr/include/xfce4 -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 > -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 > -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 > -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pixman-1 > -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng15 -I/usr/include/libdrm > -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 checking LIBXFCEGUI4_LIBS... -lxfcegui4 > -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lxfce4util -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgio-2.0 -lpangoft2-1.0 > -lpangocairo-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lcairo -lpango-1.0 -lfreetype > -lfontconfig -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 checking locale.h usability... yes > checking locale.h presence... yes checking for locale.h... yes checking for > LC_MESSAGES... yes checking libintl.h usability... yes checking libintl.h > presence... yes checking for libintl.h... yes checking for ngettext in > libc... yes checking for dgettext in libc... yes checking for > bind_textdomain_codeset... yes checking for msgfmt... (cached) > /usr/bin/msgfmt checking for dcgettext... yes checking if msgfmt accepts > -c... yes checking for gmsgfmt... (cached) /usr/bin/gmsgfmt checking for > xgettext... (cached) /usr/bin/xgettext checking for catalogs to be > installed... ar ca cs da de el en_GB es eu fr gl hu it ja lv nl pl pt_BR > pt ru sv tr uk zh_CN zh_TW checking for bind_textdomain_codeset... (cached) > yes checking for locales directory... /usr/share/locale checking for > additional xgettext flags... --keyword=Q_ --from-code=UTF-8 checking > whether to build with debugging support... minimum configure: creating > ./config.status config.status: creating Makefile config.status: creating > panel-plugin/Makefile config.status: creating icons/Makefile config.status: > creating po/Makefile.in config.status: creating config.h config.status: > executing depfiles commands config.status: executing default-1 commands > config.status: executing po/stamp-it commands >>> Source configured. >>> > Compiling source in > /var/tmp/portage/xfce-extra/xfce4-radio-plugin-0.5.1/work/xfce4-radio-plugin-0.5.1 > ... make -j16 -s Making all in panel-plugin Generating and caching the > translation database Merging translations into radio.desktop. > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.6.2/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: > xfce4_radio_plugin-v4l2.o: undefined reference to symbol 'round@@GLIBC_2.1' > /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.6.2/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: > note: 'round@@GLIBC_2.1' is defined in DSO /lib/libm.so.6 so try adding > it to the linker command line /lib/libm.so.6: could not read symbols: > Invalid operation collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** > [xfce4-radio-plugin] Error 1 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make: *** > [all] Error 2 [31;01m* [0m ERROR: xfce-extra/xfce4-radio-plugin-0.5.1 > failed (compile phase): [31;01m* [0m emake failed [31;01m* [31;01m* [0m > If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info > =xfce-extra/xfce4-radio-plugin-0.5.1', [31;01m* [0m the complete build log > and the output of 'emerge -pqv =xfce-extra/xfce4-radio-plugin-0.5.1'. > [31;01m* [0m The complete build log is located at > '/var/tmp/portage/xfce-extra/xfce4-radio-plugin-0.5.1/temp/build.log'. > [31;01m* [0m The ebuild environment file is located at > '/var/tmp/portage/xfce-extra/xfce4-radio-plugin-0.5.1/temp/environment'. > [31;01m* [0m S: > '/var/tmp/portage/xfce-extra/xfce4-radio-plugin-0.5.1/work/xfce4-radio-plugin-0.5.1' > > > > -- > Ian Whyman > v00d00.net > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Linux Kernel 3.3.3 in Limbo
http://packages.sabayon.org/quicksearch?q=sys-kernel/linux-sabayon-3.3-r3 8 apx minutes ago On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Josef Odenthal wrote: > Is that linux-sabayon-3.3.3 > or > linux-sabayon-3.3.r3 > > By the creation date I assume it is linux-sabayon-3.3.r3 > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > >> Hi all, >> please go test the latest sys-kernel/linux-sabayon and >> sys-kernel/linux-server packages in sabayon-limbo. >> >> Cheers, >> -- >> Fabio Erculiani >> >> > > > > -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Install of sys-devel/base-gcc
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 5:01 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > Should be fixed now > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > Woot! Worked here :-) -- KJS ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] Install of sys-devel/base-gcc
Not sure if this is an issue or not but noticed this during updates here. SL64XFCE wolfden # equo --version entropy: 1.0_rc108 equo: 1.0_rc108 SL64XFCE wolfden # equo install sys-devel/base-gcc >> @@ Calculating dependencies ... >> ## [R] [sabayon-limbo] sys-devel/base-gcc-4.6.2|5 [4.6.2|5] >> @@ Packages needing to be installed/updated/downgraded: 1 >> @@ Packages needing to be removed: 0 >> @@ Download size: 0b >> @@ Freed disk space: 0.0b >> @@ You need at least: 4.6MB of free space >> :: (1/1) >>> 1 package >>## Package checksum matches: sys-devel:base-gcc-4.6.2~5.tbz2 >> ++ (1/1) >>> sys-devel/base-gcc-4.6.2 >>## Unpacking: sys-devel:base-gcc-4.6.2~5.tbz2 >>## SPM: setup phase * * LTO support is still experimental and unstable. * Any bugs resulting from the use of LTO will not be fixed. * >>## SPM: pre-install phase >>## Installing package: sys-devel/base-gcc-4.6.2 >>## [The GNU Compiler Collection] >>## Updating database: sys-devel/base-gcc-4.6.2 >>## SPM: pre-remove phase >>## Cleaning previously installed application data. >>## SPM: post-remove phase >>> Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache... >>## SPM: post-install phase >> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/entropy/lib/entropy/client/interfaces/trigger.py", line 254, in _trigger_call_ext_generic return self._do_trigger_call_ext_generic() File "/usr/lib/entropy/lib/entropy/client/interfaces/trigger.py", line 464, in _do_trigger_call_ext_generic return exc.run(self._phase, self._pkgdata, tmp_path) File "/usr/lib/entropy/lib/entropy/client/interfaces/trigger.py", line 439, in run globalz, local) File "/tmp/tmp6x2IZa", line 33, in configure_correct_gcc() File "/tmp/tmp6x2IZa", line 13, in configure_correct_gcc regex = re.compile(gcc_profile_file_pfx + "((.[0-30])?)$") NameError: global name 're' is not defined >>## QA: Cannot run External trigger for sys-devel/base-gcc. Please report it. >>## Cleaning: sys-devel/base-gcc-4.6.2 >> @@ Installation complete. >> @@ Configuration files scan complete. -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] linux-sabayon-3.3
all good here so far On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Josef Odenthal wrote: > kernel-switcher switch pulls in all the needed packages > Sulfur does not pull in all the needed packages > > So far working OK on Notebook HP CQ61-311AX, AMD CPU M320, 4 Gb RAM, > Radeon HD 4300 512 MB > Wireless AR9285, Audio ATI SBx00 (IDT 92hd75B2x5) > > I must have missed the notification that the linux-sabayon-3.3 kernel was > in limbo repo > > > > -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Screenshots Sabayon 8
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Dudumomo wrote: > Hi there ! > Not sure it is the proper mailing list, but I've noticed that the > screenshots from the main website are outdated. > > So, I've downloaded the latest versions of Sabayon (Gnome, KDE, XFCE and > LXDE) and took some screenshots that you can find here under. (GNOME and > KDE so far. Will do XFCE and LXDE tomorrow) > I've tried to be consistent with my screenshots. > > http://mirror.freelydifferent.com/Sabayon8.tar > > Feel free to use them to update the website. > > Thank you > I hope it is useful. > > > > Thanks, adding them now :-) -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] xbmc crashing
On the Jan 29th build of gnome amd64, xbmc crashes while running live. someone want to test this with latest builds? -- KJS ~wolfden~ lspci Description: Binary data crashlog Description: Binary data xsession Description: Binary data
Re: [sabayon-dev] xbmc crashing
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Wolfden wrote: > On the Jan 29th build of gnome amd64, xbmc crashes while running live. > > someone want to test this with latest builds? > > -- > KJS > ~wolfden~ > Upon crash it kicks you all the way out of X to the login box -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Daily Jan 15th amd64 Gnome
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > That is due to the autologin being enabled. > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > uninstalling cinnamon allows me to switch sessions -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Daily Jan 15th amd64 Gnome
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Josef Odenthal wrote: > Cinnamon working as default with build date Wed Jan 18 11:10:10 CET 2012 > > Looks good, > Installing to hard drive > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Josef Odenthal > wrote: > >> Just downloaded (amd64) and burnt to rw dvd >> >> Just noticed Wed Jan 18 11:10:10 CET 2012 is available, will download and >> report back >> Joe >> >> > > > > Ok working here now too, but I am unable to get it to switch to the regular Gnome 3 desktop, it keeps jumping and logging back into Cinnamon. Are you able to confirm? -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon with Cinnamon topping?
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Joost Ruis wrote: > And put the extensions in skel? > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Fabio Erculiani > wrote: > > Moreover, > > Cinnamon is not translated, at least in Italian. > > > > I can easily switch back the ISO images to GNOME Shell is seconds. > > Maybe we could just add a taskbar and other extensions to it instead? > > > > -- > > Fabio Erculiani > > > > yes in skel for extensions I was thinking. If one google must have extensions, can get an idea of what other distros are favoring but leave cinnamon in to give users ability -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon with Cinnamon topping?
Just a thought here after seeing some of the things Joost been showing: We use/keep the default Gnome 3 for default desktop, but we spruce it up with extensions. The frippery extentions are nice for a bottom panel and changing the menu Applications Menu https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/13/ Bottom Panel https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/3/ Coverflow Alt Tab https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/97/coverflow-alt-tab/ We can than add in the cpu freq, battery or whatever would be good to come up with a nice default Gnome 3. Cinnamon is nice, but as micia says and just the fact alone it's not yet compatible with extensions. So we are basically giving our users a default desktop that can't take advantage of all the cool extensions. Maybe Sabayon 9 would be better with cinnamon if it works with the extensions. Post with screens here: - https://plus.google.com/u/1/113908877764977280575/posts/GMX9SNJAUG7 Thoughts? -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] xorg-server-1.11.3 in sabayon-limbo
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > The whole X.Org Server 1.11.3 stack is now in sabayon-limbo. > Go test it! > > Hopefully this is the last big update before Sabayon 8 release. > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > Installed and seems to be working fine here -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
[sabayon-dev] Daily Jan 15th amd64 Gnome
Someone want to confirm that gnome edition is not booting to Cinnamon but to default Gnome 3 instead? I logged out, changed session to Cinnamon and than back into default gnome, but if I log back out and than just click on login without changing anything I load into Cinnamon. The session setting seems to get switched to gnome for some reason. -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] xorg-server-1.11 in Sabayon 8?
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > I would really like to bump xorg-server to 1.11, but as stated in my > previous post here, nvidia legacy drivers would stop working. > Should we really hold the version bump due to that? I say no. > > Dump your opinion here, I'll take the final decision this weekend > (sooner or later it's going to happen anyway, and NVIDIA doesn't seem > very reactive in updating their legacy stuff). > > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > I vote go for it, we are bleeding edge and time to move on. -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon with Cinnamon topping?
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Ian Whyman wrote: > s/gnome/gentoo/ ? > On Jan 10, 2012 8:44 AM, "Sławomir Nizio" > wrote: > >> Cinnamon is in GNOME! (In another category - 'll take care later.) >> >> > > > I think he means - gentoo has added gnome-extra/cinnamon as we are x11-misc/cinnamon -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon with Cinnamon topping?
Well since it's just a session change I'm in favor of it -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Cinnamon and Razor Desktop Environments on Limbo for testing
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Lorenzo Cogotti wrote: > Patched LXDM is available on our sabayon-distro overlay, it will soon be > pushed to Limbo for testing. I will report this issue to LXDE developers > as soon as I can, thanks for reporting this issue. > > -- > Lorenzo Cogotti > > > works here, nice job! -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Cinnamon and Razor Desktop Environments on Limbo for testing
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Wolfden wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Lorenzo Cogotti wrote: > >> In the last days both Cinnamon and Razor-qt Desktop Environments have >> been added to Limbo. >> Testing them out would be really nice since they are very new to >> Sabayon. >> >> About Cinnamon, integration with Login Managers other than GDM would be >> really appreciated. >> Cinnamon is known to exhibit the same corruption and tearing problems >> that GNOME Shell produces on proprietary AMD drivers. >> >> -- >> Lorenzo Cogotti >> >> >> > I installed this on the live version of Sabayon Forensics which is XFCE > with LXDM and it fails to load Cinnamon - xsession-errors were, couldn't > find session. Switching to GDM and it loads right away, much better than > default Gnome 3 imho. > > -- > KJS > ~wolfden~ > > > > The error with lxdm: /bin/bash: gnome-session --session=cinnamon: command not found -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Cinnamon and Razor Desktop Environments on Limbo for testing
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Lorenzo Cogotti wrote: > In the last days both Cinnamon and Razor-qt Desktop Environments have > been added to Limbo. > Testing them out would be really nice since they are very new to > Sabayon. > > About Cinnamon, integration with Login Managers other than GDM would be > really appreciated. > Cinnamon is known to exhibit the same corruption and tearing problems > that GNOME Shell produces on proprietary AMD drivers. > > -- > Lorenzo Cogotti > > > I installed this on the live version of Sabayon Forensics which is XFCE with LXDM and it fails to load Cinnamon - xsession-errors were, couldn't find session. Switching to GDM and it loads right away, much better than default Gnome 3 imho. -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] remove from list
Anyone can unsubscribe at any time by going to the http://lists.sabayon.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel, I don't find your email address to unsubscribe so I guess good to go. Everyone take a deep breath and relax -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon, Server Kernels 3.1.4, Fusion Kernel 3.1.4 in sabayon-limbo
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > I bumped sys-kernel/linux-sabayon and sys-kernel/linux-server to > upstream Linux v3.1.4. > Same thing for sys-kernel/linux-fusion which eventually got its 3.1 > release. > > Go test them! > They'll be moved to mainline repo very soon. > -- > Fabio Erculiani > > all updates in, smooth sailing so far. -- Kelly Schwartz ~wolfden~
