Re: [SailfishDevel] Available now: Sailfish Community Device Program and Jolla C

2016-06-14 Thread Ruediger Schiller 
Time announced on ML was 1pm EET (local .fi time), which is UTC+3, the shop 
went online
couple of minutes past 10:00 UTC which is 1pm EET.

How is UK time +0200? BST is UTC+1?!

James, you might want to announce in UTC from now on.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 01:55:40PM +0100, Chris Walker wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 12:27:53 +
> Claudio Campeggi  wrote:
> 
> > It seems that today's Jolla C batch went on sale at 10:00 UTC instead
> > of the Announced 12:00 UTC
> > 
> > 
> > It is consistent with the time James sent the announcement email:
> > 
> > https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2016-June/007190.html
> 
> It isn't consistent at all!
> 
> The email to me was trimed at 12:00 UK time viz :-
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 12:00:14 +0200
> James Noori  wrote:
> 
> I'm mightily pissed off about this.
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Re: [SailfishDevel] [Official Announcement] Join the Sailfish Community Device Program now!

2016-05-31 Thread Ruediger Schiller 
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 09:38:15AM +0300, Tone Kastlunger wrote:
> How do you combine upside-down with hw keyboard in portrait mode?

Even then a bottom menu is better than a pull-down menu with everything
important in the top row?! The question is pretty odd, with the kbd out you need
it upside-down even more as your distance to the top grows. With static kbd like
the Passport or other BBs but Priv, a bottom oriented UI would fit better than
this everything top layout.

> 
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Ruediger Schiller <chem...@dostortugas.org
> > wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 09:32:32PM +0300, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
> > > Talking about the size, if Jolla has any influence on the size of 3rd
> > party
> > > vendors can you please influence them to shrink a bit?
> > > Even the size of the Jolla 1 is too large for proper single handed use,
> > > swiping from the opposite side of the thumb holding the device is almost
> > > impossible which kind of defeats the purpose of gesture based
> > > interaction
> >
> > Sorry for hijacking this thread but this needs to be commented as it is so
> > frustrating that I consider buying another phone.
> >
> > How about merging the good things from the 1.0UI back into 2.0 and make
> > pages
> > work upside down (important things in bottom half?!). The 2.0 UI only
> > works on
> > the Tablet as you use that mostly two-handed. The phone with buttons to
> > reach on
> > top like the settings-shortcuts in eventsview was also horrible in 1.0ui
> > settings... The whole thing needs to be reworked, eventsview settings
> > pulled
> > from bottom and events history upside down (for example).
> >
> > Just from reviving my N900 two weeks ago and booting my Jolla with 1.0UI
> > made me
> > wish for a merged 1.0+2.0-upside-down UI and a device with proper h/w
> > keyboard.
> > We should get BB to use SFOS on BB Passport!
> >
> > > 2016-05-30 21:03 GMT+03:00 Michal Hrusecky <mic...@hrusecky.net>:
> > >
> > > > Erik Lundin - 19:57 30.05.16 wrote:
> > > > > Den 2016-05-30 kl. 19:53, skrev Michal Hrusecky:
> > > > > > one more question, are dimensions known? Would like to start
> > looking
> > > > for some
> > > > > > case :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Height: 142 mm
> > > > > Width: 72 mm
> > > > > Thickness: 9.6 mm
> > > > >
> > > > > Shamelessly copied from https://jolla.com/jollac/ (expand "View full
> > > > specs")
> > > > > :)
> > > >
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Re: [SailfishDevel] [Official Announcement] Join the Sailfish Community Device Program now!

2016-05-30 Thread Ruediger Schiller 
On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 09:32:32PM +0300, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
> Talking about the size, if Jolla has any influence on the size of 3rd party
> vendors can you please influence them to shrink a bit?
> Even the size of the Jolla 1 is too large for proper single handed use,
> swiping from the opposite side of the thumb holding the device is almost
> impossible which kind of defeats the purpose of gesture based
> interaction

Sorry for hijacking this thread but this needs to be commented as it is so
frustrating that I consider buying another phone.

How about merging the good things from the 1.0UI back into 2.0 and make pages
work upside down (important things in bottom half?!). The 2.0 UI only works on
the Tablet as you use that mostly two-handed. The phone with buttons to reach on
top like the settings-shortcuts in eventsview was also horrible in 1.0ui
settings... The whole thing needs to be reworked, eventsview settings pulled
from bottom and events history upside down (for example).

Just from reviving my N900 two weeks ago and booting my Jolla with 1.0UI made me
wish for a merged 1.0+2.0-upside-down UI and a device with proper h/w keyboard.
We should get BB to use SFOS on BB Passport!
 
> 2016-05-30 21:03 GMT+03:00 Michal Hrusecky :
> 
> > Erik Lundin - 19:57 30.05.16 wrote:
> > > Den 2016-05-30 kl. 19:53, skrev Michal Hrusecky:
> > > > one more question, are dimensions known? Would like to start looking
> > for some
> > > > case :-)
> > >
> > > Height: 142 mm
> > > Width: 72 mm
> > > Thickness: 9.6 mm
> > >
> > > Shamelessly copied from https://jolla.com/jollac/ (expand "View full
> > specs")
> > > :)
> >
> > Thanks! :-)
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Re: [SailfishDevel] [Minutes] SailfishOS community meeting 26.11 + planning for next one 3.12

2015-11-27 Thread Ruediger Schiller 
On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 07:28:17AM +, Peter Kovacs wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am not able to join on next community meeting due to work restrictions I
> have. So I can not propose a topic. I am instead post my thoughts directly
> to this list.
> I think no 1 topic is to stabilise Dev efforts for SailfishOS.
> I do not believe to simply put sailfish in multiple places will ensure its
> existance. This would only be the case if SailfishOS would open source it's
> Software. This would be the death of Jolla in my eyes at this point.
> 
> I see rather a better strategy in a business model change. Instead of
> trying to sell the OS to big companies sell the OS to your community.

Selling it to bigger companies is the actual way to earn a lot of money.

> I think the crowed funding method was quite successful. So I propose
> another Crowed funding camagne. This has now to be a success. So I propose
> something small. Like getting payment function into Jolla.
> Perks could be to get better conditions after the Shop is live. Maybe 10% -
> 50% off.
> I do not know how much money you need to make add payment functionallities
> and survive the next month)

Won't generate enough revenue in this timeframe.

> 
> Another step could be to have a System suscription. This system
> subscription is made to ensure updates. It should not be much like 5-10
> euros a month. Free of choice if possible, enforce if neccessary. I have no
> feeling how close Jolla is to the death.

You pay 260€ (now it is 200€ I know) to then pay another 120€ to get upgrades?

> I do like the Crowed funding mythology of star citizen. Most of them can
> not be reused. But in art of communication they are top. Maybe open up your
> communication on development, would be great.
> 
> I would also like to see more jolla stuff in the shop. I still want to buy
> the external keyboard or the solar panel for jolla. Bit i still can not
> find those in the Jolla shop. This is also an income Jolla must participate
> in. Sell those stuff even from third party developers in your shop.
> I refuse to buy from the third party directly because I know how much jolla
> needs the money.
> 
> Get the old hardware section of jolla to develop some more second half
> stuff. Like battery banks or 2nd phonecard connector. Maybe a mobility hub
> for pcs. I do not know.

How about another model, sell developer equipment. That could also go for a
kickstarter - PCcovers without NFCchip, plain blank covers for cheap in packs of
10 with a handfull of solderpins that fit the connectors or 10 circuit foil
sheets that can be soldered to your ideas. Still nothing that generates revenue
fast but with a campaign and announcing a Jolla2 with the same TOH dimensions
would give it some drive. Jolla2 announcing in terms of, if we survive we will
do anotherone just like Jolla1 with improved hardware, coming 2017. On the other
hand, doing a complete makeover of that sort is apart of more RAM and bigger
mmc not even required. SFOS is now in a stae where any device vendor could jump
in and generate a lot of revenue. No idea what google paid for their Nexus
phones but I guess the deal zeroed out in the end.

> 
> Sorry that this has nothing to do with development of source code. But I
> think this is not really time for dreaming of open Source.
> 
> I know that you might not like this steps, but I think there is no chance
> in rearranging debts will lead you from the death valley you are in.
> That is only one way to get bankrupted fast.
> You must generate money quickly. That is the only way somebody will
> continue to invest into Jolla. And a credit is also an investment of sort.
> 
> This is an unpleasant message of sort. But jolla should focus on those
> people has already convinced. Apple did that in their beginning. I know
> some and they agree first iPhone were not very good. I think the sailfish
> has potential but currently this potential is limited to the community you
> have. And this are the ones here who prepare their products for sailfish,
> and the ones who already spend money on the product.
> 
> Please take a break from convincing people that can play Jolla against
> android, blackberry and iOS. You can return to that dream if you got out of
> the valley.

Truth is, they need more funds to actually get noticed by people that would
become a part of this community in a heartbeat. Just met a guy last week who
bought an S6edge the other week and bit his hand when I told him what that phone
and tablet on my table are. Looking at Apple, marketing is everything - they
sold sour milk to cows and still do. Always fun seeing my iPhone and Android
friends struggle with their phones.

> 
> I have time from 14th Dec till end of the year. I will participate then in
> the meetings and bug you to various topics around Jolla. I hope this helps.
> 
> All the Best
> Peter
> 
> Carol Chen  schrieb am Do., 26. Nov. 2015
> 17:17:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who

Re: [SailfishDevel] What processor do you have in your SailfishOS SDK machine?

2014-12-04 Thread Ruediger Schiller 
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 04:17:36PM +0100, Alejandro Exojo wrote:
 El Tuesday 02 December 2014, Carsten Munk escribió:
  Because that may have implications on what machines the SailfishOS SDK 
  emulator will run on and build engine, we'd like to know what kind of 
  setups you have running SailfishOS SDK.
 
 I've sent the mail with my details to Carsten already, but a question here 
 for 
 the broad public. Why this has any implications? Isn't the point of having 
 the 
 emulator and the build engine in virtual machines to not depend at all on the 
 host of said virtual machines?

It is about whom has the lowest power and are there enough to have the SDK be
optimized so everything runs smooth even on slower machines. It is not about
core instructions if I understood that right.

  
  2) VT virtualization technology or not?
 
 One more thing: I answered yes to this because I understood it as does 
 your 
 CPU have support for virtualization instructions? (VT-x / AMD-V), not wether 
 I have VirtualBox available.

Same here, at first I thought he is asking about what VM I use but that makes no
sense.

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Re: [SailfishDevel] Call for Moderators ( ML, TJC, IRC)

2014-06-13 Thread Ruediger Schiller 
 We need community help with moderating...


Just yesterday I was thinking about this!

I'd like to add tmo to the list, quiet alot of people, devel or not are on
talk.maemo.org and some moderators for the SailfishOS part could come handy at
this point. I don't mind *Jolla to have moderator accounts too.

If you want to take a share contact me (chem|st in #jollamobile/#sailfishos).
You want to moderate more than SailfisOS subforums? Just add a list what 
subforums you would be interested in.



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Re: [SailfishDevel] together.jolla.com

2013-12-24 Thread Ruediger Schiller 
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 06:22:11PM +0100, Filip Kłębczyk wrote:
 W dniu 24.12.2013 18:10, a.gra...@gmail.com pisze:
 ... is open! Go there and contribute with ideas :)
 
 and report bugs ;)

Page becomes unresponsive when you change form comment- to answer-input-field.
Cannot send answer without reloading the page only comment.

 
 Happy Holidays to all list subscribers!
 
 Regards,
 Filip
 
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