Re: [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on after reboot - what the heck?
Hi kaa could you explain more exactly how you are expecting Assisted GPS to work? It sounds like you are expecting it to show changes in position before a GPS fix has been acquired. My understanding is that A-GPS is intended to get a useable fix faster. If you know roughly where you are, it is easier / quicker to calculate exactly where you are. Then once you have an accurate fix using the GPS signal it is easier to spot and track small changes. mfg Chris Zitat von kaa : BTW, Assisted GPS not work. Minimally not work in my country (Czech republic). But I know I am not alone, same problem is in other countries. Positon/location is changed always only with GPS signal on my Jolla. Is required some DB of BTS? Via which provider? PS: I have unlimited O2 mobile data. kaacz Dne 13.1.2014 11:01, christopher.l...@thurweb.ch napsal(a): Hi Simon In what order did you turn mobile date off, and activate the GPS app? If the mobile data was really off, and not accessed or reactivated by the GPS then it potentially could take much longer to get a fix. Where mobile-data is permitted, then the GPS can use the A (assisted) part of A-GPS via mobile date to get a faster fix. Grüsse Chris Zitat von "Simon Bolek" : Problem: After i turned on the Location (BTW waited the whole eternity to gain GPS signal) and turned the MobileData OFF, i noticed that after reboot MobileData is activated again! WHY??? I do not have a mobile data plan on my sim card, so i want it to be deactivated, and no app whatsoever has rights to turn it on (for that I could've bought android right away). Is this a BUG or a FEATURE? br simon ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on after reboot - what the heck?
BTW, Assisted GPS not work. Minimally not work in my country (Czech republic). But I know I am not alone, same problem is in other countries. Positon/location is changed always only with GPS signal on my Jolla. Is required some DB of BTS? Via which provider? PS: I have unlimited O2 mobile data. kaacz Dne 13.1.2014 11:01, christopher.l...@thurweb.ch napsal(a): Hi Simon In what order did you turn mobile date off, and activate the GPS app? If the mobile data was really off, and not accessed or reactivated by the GPS then it potentially could take much longer to get a fix. Where mobile-data is permitted, then the GPS can use the A (assisted) part of A-GPS via mobile date to get a faster fix. Grüsse Chris Zitat von "Simon Bolek" : Problem: After i turned on the Location (BTW waited the whole eternity to gain GPS signal) and turned the MobileData OFF, i noticed that after reboot MobileData is activated again! WHY??? I do not have a mobile data plan on my sim card, so i want it to be deactivated, and no app whatsoever has rights to turn it on (for that I could've bought android right away). Is this a BUG or a FEATURE? br simon ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on after reboot - what the heck?
thank you for prompt answers! Dalvik enabled - how should i check this? I turned the MobileData after unpacking the phone, than after updating it and after agreeing to the Maps license. I do not want to pay for the mobile data while i am on my way and I do not want to have a flatrate, so it is explicitly OFF. I noticed that when I start Maps app, MobileData turns ON. Than I turn it OFF and than after couple of minutes it closes by itself. In the meantime it asks me for internet connection every darn couple of seconds - very annoying. I feel like I don't have control over the device. Is this a feature of the Maps app that it turns the MobileData ON, or is it a feature of Jolla after enabling Location, that I agree generally for all applications to turn MobileData ON when no other connection available? Because it this is Maps app only the solution for me would be not using it at the moment - however there is no alternative now. The latter would be really bad :( Maybe there is sth else I do wrong which is not related to location directly(?) At the moment i feel like coming back to N9 or N950 with my SIM for stability, but in longer terms this will not work. br simon On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Steph Gosling wrote: > Possibly related: > > > https://together.jolla.com/question/8375/flight-mode-is-not-enforced-after-reboot/ > > I've been able to reproduce (including a 5 minute delay between > enabling flightmode and turning the device off. Chat on #jollamobile > indicated it may be something to do with Dalvik, do you have that > enabled? > > Cheers, > > Steph > > > On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:51:32 +0100 > Simon Bolek wrote: > > > Hi, yes i am aware of this syncso...rebooted several hours after > > turning location on, so we can eliminate that. I am sure i did deactivete > > MobileData, because I was irritated by receiving mail while no WLAN > > available on my way home. So I immediately turned it OFF. I will do some > > more reboots the next days and be back with feedback... > > > > br > > simon > > > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Jonni Rainisto > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Did you wait for few minutes after turning the setting off, before > > > rebooting the device? There is/was feature in btrfs filesystem that > syncing > > > changes (especially gconf) to disk can take some time, so if you > reboot > > > too quickly after setting change then old value could still be active > on > > > next reboot. If you waited several minutes before rebooting, then you > > > should raise a bug in together.jolla.com. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > *From:* devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [ > > > devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Simon Bolek [ > > > simon.bo...@googlemail.com] > > > *Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2014 11:16 AM > > > *To:* devel@lists.sailfishos.org > > > *Subject:* [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on > > > after reboot - what the heck? > > > > > > Problem: > > > > > > After i turned on the Location (BTW waited the whole eternity to gain > > > GPS signal) and turned the MobileData OFF, i noticed that after reboot > > > MobileData is activated again! > > > WHY??? > > > I do not have a mobile data plan on my sim card, so i want it to be > > > deactivated, and no app whatsoever has rights to turn it on (for that I > > > could've bought android right away). > > > Is this a BUG or a FEATURE? > > > > > > br > > > simon > > > > > > ___ > > > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list > > > > > > -- > Steph Gosling > ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on after reboot - what the heck?
BTRFS have feature or bug? Strange bug? Filesystem with broken sync before reboot is broken filesystem. Or if reboot not wait for fs/disk sync, this reboot is buggy .. User no need to wait, reboot MUST wait for FS sync to disk. "if you reboot too quickly" is mad construction. kaacz Dne 13.1.2014 10:32, Jonni Rainisto napsal(a): Hi, Did you wait for few minutes after turning the setting off, before rebooting the device? There is/was feature in btrfs filesystem that syncing changes (especially gconf) to disk can take some time, so if you reboot too quickly after setting change then old value could still be active on next reboot. If you waited several minutes before rebooting, then you should raise a bug in together.jolla.com. *From:* devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Simon Bolek [simon.bo...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2014 11:16 AM *To:* devel@lists.sailfishos.org *Subject:* [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on after reboot - what the heck? Problem: After i turned on the Location (BTW waited the whole eternity to gain GPS signal) and turned the MobileData OFF, i noticed that after reboot MobileData is activated again! WHY??? I do not have a mobile data plan on my sim card, so i want it to be deactivated, and no app whatsoever has rights to turn it on (for that I could've bought android right away). Is this a BUG or a FEATURE? br simon ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on after reboot - what the heck?
Possibly related: https://together.jolla.com/question/8375/flight-mode-is-not-enforced-after-reboot/ I've been able to reproduce (including a 5 minute delay between enabling flightmode and turning the device off. Chat on #jollamobile indicated it may be something to do with Dalvik, do you have that enabled? Cheers, Steph On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:51:32 +0100 Simon Bolek wrote: > Hi, yes i am aware of this syncso...rebooted several hours after > turning location on, so we can eliminate that. I am sure i did deactivete > MobileData, because I was irritated by receiving mail while no WLAN > available on my way home. So I immediately turned it OFF. I will do some > more reboots the next days and be back with feedback... > > br > simon > > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Jonni Rainisto > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Did you wait for few minutes after turning the setting off, before > > rebooting the device? There is/was feature in btrfs filesystem that syncing > > changes (especially gconf) to disk can take some time, so if you reboot > > too quickly after setting change then old value could still be active on > > next reboot. If you waited several minutes before rebooting, then you > > should raise a bug in together.jolla.com. > > > > > > -- > > *From:* devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [ > > devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Simon Bolek [ > > simon.bo...@googlemail.com] > > *Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2014 11:16 AM > > *To:* devel@lists.sailfishos.org > > *Subject:* [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on > > after reboot - what the heck? > > > > Problem: > > > > After i turned on the Location (BTW waited the whole eternity to gain > > GPS signal) and turned the MobileData OFF, i noticed that after reboot > > MobileData is activated again! > > WHY??? > > I do not have a mobile data plan on my sim card, so i want it to be > > deactivated, and no app whatsoever has rights to turn it on (for that I > > could've bought android right away). > > Is this a BUG or a FEATURE? > > > > br > > simon > > > > ___ > > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list > > -- Steph Gosling ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on after reboot - what the heck?
Hi Simon In what order did you turn mobile date off, and activate the GPS app? If the mobile data was really off, and not accessed or reactivated by the GPS then it potentially could take much longer to get a fix. Where mobile-data is permitted, then the GPS can use the A (assisted) part of A-GPS via mobile date to get a faster fix. Grüsse Chris Zitat von "Simon Bolek" : Problem: After i turned on the Location (BTW waited the whole eternity to gain GPS signal) and turned the MobileData OFF, i noticed that after reboot MobileData is activated again! WHY??? I do not have a mobile data plan on my sim card, so i want it to be deactivated, and no app whatsoever has rights to turn it on (for that I could've bought android right away). Is this a BUG or a FEATURE? br simon ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on after reboot - what the heck?
Hi, yes i am aware of this syncso...rebooted several hours after turning location on, so we can eliminate that. I am sure i did deactivete MobileData, because I was irritated by receiving mail while no WLAN available on my way home. So I immediately turned it OFF. I will do some more reboots the next days and be back with feedback... br simon On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Jonni Rainisto wrote: > Hi, > > Did you wait for few minutes after turning the setting off, before > rebooting the device? There is/was feature in btrfs filesystem that syncing > changes (especially gconf) to disk can take some time, so if you reboot > too quickly after setting change then old value could still be active on > next reboot. If you waited several minutes before rebooting, then you > should raise a bug in together.jolla.com. > > > -- > *From:* devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [ > devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Simon Bolek [ > simon.bo...@googlemail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2014 11:16 AM > *To:* devel@lists.sailfishos.org > *Subject:* [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on > after reboot - what the heck? > > Problem: > > After i turned on the Location (BTW waited the whole eternity to gain > GPS signal) and turned the MobileData OFF, i noticed that after reboot > MobileData is activated again! > WHY??? > I do not have a mobile data plan on my sim card, so i want it to be > deactivated, and no app whatsoever has rights to turn it on (for that I > could've bought android right away). > Is this a BUG or a FEATURE? > > br > simon > > ___ > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list > ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on after reboot - what the heck?
Hi, Did you wait for few minutes after turning the setting off, before rebooting the device? There is/was feature in btrfs filesystem that syncing changes (especially gconf) to disk can take some time, so if you reboot too quickly after setting change then old value could still be active on next reboot. If you waited several minutes before rebooting, then you should raise a bug in together.jolla.com. From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Simon Bolek [simon.bo...@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 11:16 AM To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Subject: [SailfishDevel] MobileNetwork / MobileData automatically on after reboot - what the heck? Problem: After i turned on the Location (BTW waited the whole eternity to gain GPS signal) and turned the MobileData OFF, i noticed that after reboot MobileData is activated again! WHY??? I do not have a mobile data plan on my sim card, so i want it to be deactivated, and no app whatsoever has rights to turn it on (for that I could've bought android right away). Is this a BUG or a FEATURE? br simon ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
