[Development] Polishing Qt 5 Features page
Hi, help from maintainers and other contributers polishing http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5Features is welcome. The Qt 5 Beta announcement will link to it. It hasn't been touched since the Alpha release and it would be good to have it ready for the Beta. Thank you! -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt CS videos of module maintainers
Silence = freedom for me to decide. See below. On 06/01/2012 04:12 PM, ext Quim Gil wrote: (((Posting here to reach module maintainers and humans alike))) Most Qt Essentials module maintainers will be at the Qt Contributors Summit and we want to take this chance to shot video interviews to be edited and be part of the Qt 5 launch. The idea of these interviews is to explain to the masses what the module does, why it's important in Qt 5 and what is new interesting. I need to come up with the exact list of people to interview, in order to arrange time slots with them. If you are a maintainer and you are happy with the idea please send me an email (if you are not happy send me the email as well). ;) Questions: - No offense but... do all the modules need to be featured to give an overall picture of Qt 5? Looking at http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-Essentials-Modules I wonder about Qt JS Backend, Qt SQL Qt Test. Also, would it make sense to have a single person to cover Qt GUI, Qt QML Qt Quick? This would make 5 interviews less (7 maintainers + Lars). Unless someone protests this is what we will do, except that Qt GUI will be coupled with QPA - see below. - Is there an add-on module maintainer that should get a video interview as well? Qt Wayland fit in the buzzword count. ;) If nobody answers then the answer will be No. - Qt Platform Abstraction is a top topic. Should we have a speaker? Who? Samuel is now the default candidate. - If the maintainer won't make it to the interview then he needs to nominate the speaker. I will contact each of the maintainers in order to book 1h of their time during Qt CS. That will be your chance to delegate if you won't make it. Also a question to those that have been to the venue: what is the best place to have these interviews? The video company can bring a but of furniture for a cozy corner in the main hall, I guess it shouldn't be too noisy during sessions. Is it outside in the terrace an alternative? Another option would be to borrow a Seminaar room during lunch breaks. Ideas welcome - it's difficult to decide without having been there. I will ask the venue directly. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Qt CS videos of module maintainers
(((Posting here to reach module maintainers and humans alike))) Most Qt Essentials module maintainers will be at the Qt Contributors Summit and we want to take this chance to shot video interviews to be edited and be part of the Qt 5 launch. The idea of these interviews is to explain to the masses what the module does, why it's important in Qt 5 and what is new interesting. I need to come up with the exact list of people to interview, in order to arrange time slots with them. If you are a maintainer and you are happy with the idea please send me an email (if you are not happy send me the email as well). ;) Questions: - No offense but... do all the modules need to be featured to give an overall picture of Qt 5? Looking at http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-Essentials-Modules I wonder about Qt JS Backend, Qt SQL Qt Test. Also, would it make sense to have a single person to cover Qt GUI, Qt QML Qt Quick? This would make 5 interviews less (7 maintainers + Lars). - Is there an add-on module maintainer that should get a video interview as well? Qt Wayland fit in the buzzword count. ;) - Qt Platform Abstraction is a top topic. Should we have a speaker? Who? - If the maintainer won't make it to the interview then he needs to nominate the speaker. Also a question to those that have been to the venue: what is the best place to have these interviews? The video company can bring a but of furniture for a cozy corner in the main hall, I guess it shouldn't be too noisy during sessions. Is it outside in the terrace an alternative? Another option would be to borrow a Seminaar room during lunch breaks. Ideas welcome - it's difficult to decide without having been there. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] (Harmattan) Qt Quick Components Qt 5
Hi, We have started a community device seeding activity to encourage brave developers porting their mobile apps to Qt 5 http://wiki.maemo.org/Summer'12_Device_Program/Qt_5_Mobile_Projects Many candidates are showing their Qt 4 mobile projects, that happen to rely in (Harmattan) Qt Quick Components. They may or may not be aware that, as for today, those components are not available for Qt 5. I have asked around (Donald, Johannes, Girish, Rajiv) and their first impression is that porting those components shouldn't be rocket science although there might be problems with polished look feel (something we can probably bare with for this device seeding activity, experimental in nature). Question: do you believe there is a value in promoting an effort to port those components here and now? Anybody else thinking or working along these lines? We can always have the option to go only for games and other apps alike with no or own custom components. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Qt Contributors Summit: REGISTER
Hi, if you want to assure your Qt Contributors Summit shirt for your size (and gender) you should REGISTER BEFORE THE END OF TUESDAY, MAY 29. http://qt.nokia.com/forms/summit-signup NOTE We haven't rejected anybody so far. A few people has clicked Join group at http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012/wiki instead of filling the form with all the details - and these are the ones that have got a rejection notice. Try again, now filling the form. If you are reading this it's most probably because we want you at the event. SPONSORS The list of sponsors is now final. Thank you Nokia, RIM, Canonical, Digia, ICS, Intel, Froglogic, E-Gits, KDAB and Symbio! http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012/wiki/Our-sponsors -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] The place of QML
This has been said before, but for the sake of clarity: On 05/17/2012 05:42 AM, ext Иван Комиссаров wrote: i do have lot of code based on QWidgets. And that code works. So, you suggest me to thow away all code i've made, because QWidgets have bad design? No, we suggest you to run that code with Qt 5 and let us know if you found any problem. I want to have my code working from now and forever (while qt lives). Isn't this the current situation? DONE != DEPRECATED Alternate technologies are good while i can mix technologies (Qt Creator's start screen is a good example). I want to use beautiful, custom QML interface for contact list/chat window of my (hypotetical) IM Messenger, but i'd still prefer to use plain QWidget's for it's preferences windows and dialogs. You can do exactly this if you wish, isn't it. You're trying to tell me that i have to use QML everywhere. I don't like that. What the Qt Project is saying through its releases is that Qt Quick will be available in any Qt enabled platform, while the inclusion of Qt Widget is up to the maintainers of each platform (or up to application developers if they want / can bring the module through dependencies). For all I could read from Lars and other maintainers, but they are saying is that Qt Widgets should work, Qt Quick is the present for mobile and possible the future for everybody, and it is up to you to decide when or how you want to jump - if you ever need to. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] The place of Qt Widgets (was Re: The place of QML)
This has been said before, but for the sake of clarity: On 05/17/2012 05:42 AM, ext Иван Комиссаров wrote: i do have lot of code based on QWidgets. And that code works. So, you suggest me to thow away all code i've made, because QWidgets have bad design? No, we suggest you to run that code with Qt 5 and let us know if you found any problem. I want to have my code working from now and forever (while qt lives). Isn't this the current situation? DONE != DEPRECATED Alternate technologies are good while i can mix technologies (Qt Creator's start screen is a good example). I want to use beautiful, custom QML interface for contact list/chat window of my (hypotetical) IM Messenger, but i'd still prefer to use plain QWidget's for it's preferences windows and dialogs. You can do exactly this if you wish, isn't it. You're trying to tell me that i have to use QML everywhere. I don't like that. What the Qt Project is saying through its releases is that Qt Quick will be available in any Qt enabled platform, while the inclusion of Qt Widget is up to the maintainers of each platform (or up to application developers if they want / can bring the module through dependencies). For all I could read from Lars and other maintainers, but they are saying is that Qt Widgets should work, Qt Quick is the present for mobile and possible the future for everybody, and it is up to you to decide when or how you want to jump - if you ever need to. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Using Transifex for handling Qt localization?
On 05/16/2012 03:55 PM, ext Quim Gil wrote: On 05/15/2012 01:54 AM, ext Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:31:34PM -0700, ext Quim Gil wrote: Dimitris Glezos from Transifex saw http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-Localization . This is the page where we explain how to localize the strings contained in Qt releases into other languages. The next day he came with https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/qt/ , saying that here it is just in case we want to use that to handle translations sanely. And he put me as maintainer, even if I have nothing to do with all this (but I have a Transifex account, and some experience using it for localizing Qt projects). Anybody interested? I don't want to be the maintainer and I don't need to be involved at all. you can assign it to me (Ossi). whatever may happen with that ... Still, it feels like a better alternative than the current situation. well, whatever. but the submission via gerrit cannot be bypassed in any case, unless you feel like fighting this out with nokia legal. have fun. I do have fun learning about legal boundaries. :) But doh, I forgot about the CLA and I can only blame this to fierce multitasking. :/ fwiw I just learned that Transifex allows projects to define a CLA which needs to be signed before joining a team. As an example (you need to sign in): https://meego.transifex.net/projects/p/meego/cla/ As far as Reviewing is concerned, there is this feature in Transifex itself. Each string can be reviewed from a privileged translator. Each team can have any number of reviewers. Hope this helps. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Help: Qt CS pre-scheduled sessions
On 05/15/2012 07:53 PM, ext Girish Ramakrishnan wrote: I would like to preschedule a session to discuss the state of Qt5 on various embedded devices. I can drive this session. OK, you got it. On Day 1, after lunch break. http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012/wiki/Program The assumption is that you will start explaining the latest efforts done on Qt in embedded, show some stuff and then open for questions discussion. Girish convinced me to add also Qt in Desktop Qt Wayland as session deserving the big room video recording. I can see the big interest in those, so they are listed now as well. We still need to confirm speakers, though. This made Qt Core, Qt GUI and Qt Network move to smaller rooms, which is fine. If you think these or other pre-scheduled session fit better in a small room for 30 people let me know, please. Can we also have a sessions for Qt Widgets and Qt components? I can drive the former but not the latter. We can pre-schedule Qt Widgets if you or someone wants to run a session explaining the current situation and showing how it works in Qt 5. It can be useful to have this recorded. If we are talking about a BoF type of session to discuss about the future etc then maybe a smaller roo is better and therefore no pre-scheduling is really needed. Qt Components (or whatever is the name for this) is one of the topics expected in the plenary session Betting on Qt Quick. The Desktop components project can have there a person to showcase and explain their work, just like we expect others to do the same. Spin-off sessions are expected since this is a very hot topic. Which ones should be pre-scheduled in the big room? Desktop components has the ingredients to be one: added to Day 2. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Using Transifex for handling Qt localization?
On 05/15/2012 01:54 AM, ext Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:31:34PM -0700, ext Quim Gil wrote: Dimitris Glezos from Transifex saw http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-Localization . This is the page where we explain how to localize the strings contained in Qt releases into other languages. The next day he came with https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/qt/ , saying that here it is just in case we want to use that to handle translations sanely. And he put me as maintainer, even if I have nothing to do with all this (but I have a Transifex account, and some experience using it for localizing Qt projects). Anybody interested? I don't want to be the maintainer and I don't need to be involved at all. you can assign it to me (Ossi). whatever may happen with that ... Still, it feels like a better alternative than the current situation. well, whatever. but the submission via gerrit cannot be bypassed in any case, unless you feel like fighting this out with nokia legal. have fun. I do have fun learning about legal boundaries. :) But doh, I forgot about the CLA and I can only blame this to fierce multitasking. :/ Questions that come to mind: - How valuable is to have an efficient tool for handling translations between teams - as opposed to whatever process we have now? Are we happy with the current system? Do we believe we would improve significantly with a tool like Transifex? - How different is it from a legal point of view to handle text string contributions as opposed to code contributions? At least strings alone don't bring/break features or mess with IPR. If the extra strings would be VERY valuable and the legal risk would be LOW then an option to consider would be to organize translations in Transifex by communities that would not necessarily sign the CLA and then the language maintainers responsible of those strings would update the strings before a Qt release, going themselves through CLA... Or something like this. If it's too hassle for too little benefit then let's close the Transifex project, or let's have it as a clearly external tool for whoever wants to use those ts files on their own, and that's it. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Help: Qt CS pre-scheduled sessions
Hi, http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012/wiki/Program We have a draft of the Qt Contributors Summit schedule structure, including a few pre-scheduled sessions: There is one plenary session each morning, covering a big topic to inspire (but not restrict) the rest of the day: - June 21: State of the Union – Qt 5 and Qt 5.1. - June 22: Betting on Qt Quick. - June 23: HTML5 and the Web. Also one plenary session at the end of each day, exclusively for 5' demos in a Hack'n'Tell format. We have also pre-scheduled sessions for all Qt Essentials modules. Help is welcome finding the right time room for each. And there are a few topics that MUST be discussed and have taken a slot already: - Vision, gaps, contributors. - Roadmap: platforms supported. - Documentation. Galerie is the biggest room and will have video recording. In principle the sessions happening there should be anticipated and well prepared. The rest of rooms are more indicated for heated, focused, multidirectional discussions. Is there any session we MUST pre-schedule? Please provide reasons and specify who would drive it. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Using Transifex for handling Qt localization?
Dimitris Glezos from Transifex saw http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-Localization . This is the page where we explain how to localize the strings contained in Qt releases into other languages. The next day he came with https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/qt/ , saying that here it is just in case we want to use that to handle translations sanely. And he put me as maintainer, even if I have nothing to do with all this (but I have a Transifex account, and some experience using it for localizing Qt projects). Anybody interested? I don't want to be the maintainer and I don't need to be involved at all. Still, it feels like a better alternative than the current situation. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Fwd: Qt Contributors Summit update
fyi Original Message Subject: Qt Contributors Summit update Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:04:46 -0700 From: Quim Gil quim@nokia.com To: market...@qt-project.org market...@qt-project.org Hi, Qt Contributors Summit status update: - 107 participants accepted so far, from which 89 have confirmed at http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012/members - We have drafted a plan (in a piece of paper) for plenary and pre-scheduled sessions. It will be soon at http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012/wiki/Program for review and proposals. - The deadline for new sponsors is MAY 18. This week we got our first L sponsor, to be announced soon. To be transparent, we still could make good use of €10,5k. We had expected to receive more S sponsorships from small companies. Please forward / consider. - 16 developers are being sponsored. This is way more than what the budget could afford, but Nokia will cover directly the travel expenses of 8 INdT developers. The gate is closed now for new sponsorship requests. - CONFIRMED: we will have nice shirts! Organic cotton, fair trade, the first ones with the qt-project.org URL. Register BEFORE END OF MAY to secure yours. That's it. Next summary in a week, perhaps. :) -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt 5.0 beta and final timelines
On 04/30/2012 01:40 PM, ext lars.kn...@nokia.com wrote: In the meantime we can/should think about doing another alpha. Thiago proposed that one option here could be to simply release the first source package that works on all platforms as the second alpha. Like that we don't use any additional resources and time on creating that second alpha. Any changes required in http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5-Alpha or other wiki pages? A changelog vs the first Alpha? Announcement? Any new code examples and demos we might want to highlight? -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] The place of QML
Please, let's use The place of QML thread to discuss The place of QML. :) Website, blogs etc is a topic for the [Marketing] list, where you can discuss with Alex and others taking care of the website. fwiw the discussion about Qt Progect news, blogs and planets has started in that list 2 or 3 times but never reached a conclusion or actions. Yes, this is an invitation to push this topic until a satisfactory change is done. Unfortunately I don't have time to drive this myself, but I can help. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qwt under the qt-project umbrella
On 04/15/2012 10:05 AM, ext Uwe Rathmann wrote: I didn't get all details of the rules, but my feeling tells me that the spirit of qt-project makes it the natural home for a project like Qwt. About the rules, there is Creating a new module or tool for Qt http://wiki.qt-project.org/Creating_a_new_module_or_tool_for_Qt -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Resolving the wiki situtation
I do propose that we freeze http://wiki.qt-project.org/ giving editing permissions only to http://wiki.qt-project.org/index.php?title=Special:ListUsersgroup=sysop and seting a deprecation period of 6? months. At the date agreed the wiki would be switched off. In the meantime the pages that matter can be soft redirected e.g. http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit On 04/13/2012 09:19 AM, ext marius.storm-ol...@nokia.com wrote: Just copy the content over to the new wiki, and update the blog post. Not that trivial with a page like http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi/Device_program/Accepted - a page started well before a new wiki was in the horizon. Or http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi - a URL that is now in many places, most of us not controlled by us. Don't get me wrong. I'm all fine in having just one wiki. It's just that it takes some time to move content properly. Before moving all the QtonPi pages I'd like to check with the QtonPi developers (hundreds) what is the best next step forward. For instance, a DevNet group comes to mind. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Summit 2012 Registration is now open!
On 04/12/2012 06:54 PM, ext quim@nokia.com wrote: Alright, forget all this. Let me arrive at home and change the wiki page. I will start by asking people to send me an email with those fields. Any improvement from that lowest point is welcome. Alexandra has been kind enough to provide a patch: a form hosted at http://qt.nokia.com/forms/summit-signup Still a third party from a Qt Project point of view but I guess one that you are more used to trust. Sorry, it was the fastest and simplest way to save us from handling emails manually. PS: But we need to find the right alternative for handling collaborative data online with satisfactory privacy terms. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Towards a Qt 5 beta: Documentation
On 04/12/2012 06:12 AM, ext casper.vandonde...@nokia.com wrote: To get and keep our documentation in shape for Qt 5.0 and beyond I think we will need to tackle the following problems: 1. The documentation is not modularized. 2. The documentation build system is hard to explain to people. (consequence of 1) 3. The different Qt modules have a completely different style of documenting. 4. The QDoc commands and functionality are not known well enough by people, which causes QDoc errors. 5. There is no real review process for documentation contributions. There are other tasks that seems to be missing. - What is documentation? Are we talking only about the API docs or also about code examples, tutorials, demo videos? - Who are the contributors working specifically in the deliverables described above, and who is the overall responsible? Now it feels that a lot of responsibilities fall between the cracks. That was ok-ish for the pre-alpha phase but now we need more organization. - What are the deliverables for the beta release? Documentation wasn't a showstopper for an alpha release but certain documentation criteria need to be met for the beta. What are those criteria? -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Towards a Qt 5 beta
On 04/11/2012 05:49 AM, ext lars.kn...@nokia.com wrote: To help with this I would like to nominate Casper Vandonderen as the maintainer for our documentation. Great! Jason has been leading Qt (and Qtopia) releases a couple of times in the past within both Trolltech and Nokia. He will be helping us to get the release out with a focus esp. on quality. Super! I would like to coordinate better with both of you in order to have a great beta release. I have already asked in the Documentation thread about the deliverables expected for the beta. Getting a quality assessment on the release materials themselves would be useful too. The initial idea on the beta release notes is to branch http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5-Alpha , improve the current text and highlight the novelties between alpha and beta in the first paragraphs and a promoted What's New section. I also think that most of the brain and flesh put in Lars' blog should go the release materials themselves, becoming the center point and reference URL for everybody. In the alpha there was a lot of overlap between Lars' post and the release notes, and actually Lars' blog had more details. The problem is, a blog post fades over time. A side problem was that such blog post was hosted at labs.qt.nokia.com got us many reviews starting with Nokia's Qt Labs has released Qt 5.0 Alpha... -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Summit 2012 Registration is now open!
On 04/11/2012 02:23 PM, ext André Pönitz wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:01:13AM -0700, Quim Gil wrote: Just to be clear: Nokia employees follow the same registration process, like anybody else. Organizers too. Lars too. Me too. Everybody. If you say so... http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012/wiki There will be at least one person who is not even remotely amused about the prospect to have to enter personal data into some random document hosted at some third party site. Interesting. Can I ask what is your concern? Every time someone registers to some third party event s/he uses some third party site. This is no exception. Last year a 3rd party service was used as well afair. The alternative would have been to use something within http://qt-project.org - but what? We didn't want to bring more work to Marius co installing services and we actually are reusing as much as Qt DevNet as possible, The personal data requested is mostly public anyway? Also, if you send it to me via email guess what I will do: store it in the same online spreadsheet since that is the space used by the organizers and all badges are printed from there. And the random document has been defined from scratch and reviewed extensively at the Qt Project [Marketing] mailing list. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] qt summit 2012 schedule structure
On 04/11/2012 11:14 AM, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote: Thoughts, suggestions corrections (this is mostly my 2c from last year's experience, the track names are solely for demonstration) ? One aspect to consider: we will have video recording in the main room but not in the rest of the rooms. Perhaps we want to have curated sessions there, and leave all the rest for unconference setup. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Summit 2012 Registration is now open!
Just to be clear: Nokia employees follow the same registration process, like anybody else. Organizers too. Lars too. Me too. Everybody. http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012/wiki REQUEST AN INVITATION [docs.google.com] Direct link with a free ad ;) http://tinyurl.ms/50kb -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Have you been DECLINED at Qt Contributors Summit?
Sorry for the extra emails on Qt Contributors Summit registration. The correct way to register is through the REQUEST AN INVITATION link at http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2012/wiki Those clicking directly on Join group are being declined, BUT THIS DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE DECLINED AT Qt CS! It's only that you are trying to get through the wrong door. We haven't declined any request so far. Most have been accepted and some are waiting while we decide on travel sponsorship or invitations from maintainers. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Summit 2012 Registration is now open!
On 04/06/2012 06:01 AM, Hausmann Simon (Nokia-MP/Oslo) wrote: I think it would be great if we could extend the invitations to WebKit committers that are contributors to the Qt port. Quim, what do you think? Sure, this is what I meant when I wrote Qt WebKit counts just like any other Qt module. In case of doubt get an indication or invitation from the module maintainers. The doubt is not about QtWebKit contributors in general but about a specific guy interested. Just like any other module. The only concern (in general) is that maintainers and core approvers just leave registration for tomorrow - and tomorrow (or are not really aware that this is happening) and then the 225 seats are taken by others. I hope the Qt Project meritocracy does an effective work top-down making sure that whoever needs to be in Berlin registers soon. Note also that all this discussion about invitations is orthogonal to sponsoring travel and accommodation for participants. If the person requesting the invitation is also requesting e.g. 1.500€ valued travel sponsorship then this is a separate discussion that is purely related with the event budget. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] *Any* URL for QPA info / docs?
QPA (should be Qt Platform Abstraction?) is one of the big items in Qt 5 yet I can't a single URL to point to from http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5-Alpha Do people working with QPA transmit the knowledge from elders to apprentices in secret gatherings or...? Even a README in gitorious would do. Anything. Thank you. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Documentation snapshots available on doc-snapshot.qt-project.org
On 03/16/2012 03:04 AM, ext casper.vandonde...@nokia.com wrote: Hello, Documentation snapshots will now be published at http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org Oook - I will update all the URLs at http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-Essentials-Modules http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-Add-ons-Modules These URLs can be considered stable now, right? Thank you and congratulations from another move to the Qt Project infrastructure! -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Documentation snapshots available on doc-snapshot.qt-project.org
On 03/16/2012 03:04 AM, ext casper.vandonde...@nokia.com wrote: Hello, Documentation snapshots will now be published at http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/5.0/qt3support.html shouldn't be there anymore? I asked on IRC about http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/5.0/qtopengl.html http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/5.0/qtopenvg.html and Marius said they should be purged as well? PS: Looking forward to see the Qt Quick / Qt Declarative (however it's called) docs there, as well as Qt WebKit's, now pointing to the void recursive http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/5.0/tutorials.html#qtwebkit -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Share your Qt 5 binaries
http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5-unofficial-builds Please share in this page whatever unofficial binaries or build instructions you have targeting specific platforms. The idea is to make life easier for those willing to try and test Qt 5. This page is linked from http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt-5-Alpha#7cd8fb6e31cc946c078d2740c76a9899 and will get attention the day Qt 5 Alpha is released. Thank you! -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Demos, examples, docs etc for Alpha release
I have been gathering more info reality checks for the alpha announcement and release notes, and I hope to have a first draft by the end of tomorrow PST. We have three big themes: - Graphics performance: Qt Quick 2 (GL based scene graph, particle system, shader effects), Qt Quick 3D, QtOpenGL, graphics effects, video effects, MediaHub... - Web technologies: QtWebKit2, V8, JsonDB, what else? I reached to the QtWebKit mailing list for help. - Portability: QPA for real. Since the alpha release itself won't be available in many targets I'd welcome blog posts, testimonials video proof points etc of teams playing with Qt 5 QPA on different targets. For instance, it would be great to see MediaHub or any of the QtDeclarative examples running on different targets. Also, a basic question: where can someone find the actual list of Essential and Add-on modules that will be included in the Alpha? A Work-in-progress list is fine, now the only reference I have is a slide from last October-November. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Demos, examples, docs etc for Alpha release (was Re: [Marketing] Qt 5 alpha approaching)
(CCing Sami Lehtonen Andrew Baldwin just in case they are not following this thread about http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5 alpha release) Hi Gareth, On 03/08/2012 02:26 AM, ext gareth.stockw...@accenture.com wrote: I recently published a post on Qt Labs Blog about using shader effects to transform video / viewfinder content in QML. http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2012/02/29/pimp-my-video-shader-effects-and-multimedia/ This is ultracool, yes. We'll find the way to link to that blog post and specifically to the Qt 5 desktop video. Any takers for building binaries of https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtmultimedia/trees/master/examples/video/qmlvideofx for QtonPi or Harmattan + Qt 5? (or any other Qt 5 target out there) All the better if we have more videos but the one on desktop is already illustrative. The same goes for Sami Lehtonen's Qt Graphical Effects showcased in an impressive manner at http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2012/02/02/qt-graphical-effects-in-qt-labs/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=MsfioYYyrUg I wonder whether Daniel Pope or someone familiar with Qt Quick 3D could have a refreshed demo by March 20 showing what Qt 5 is up to these days. The only stuff I could find is http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=dbqdSAJFPSo (which is impressive already). ... and then we have the psychedelic demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-vBbqamNBU from Andrew Baldwin (or should I say Andy Warhol?). Anything else we should look at this point to bring a face to Qt 5? It doesn't need to be an Essential module, we'll find the way to complement the release notes with whatever looks great coming from add-ons or other projects - as long as it runs on top of Qt 5. What about Qt MediaHub, QtonPi, Qt Quick Components for desktop, PySide.. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Feature freeze and Alpha
Hi, can we have please a Qt 5 landing page where all this information cam be found or linked? It looks like the closest now is http://wiki.qt-project.org/5.0_Feature_Targets On 02/05/2012 06:12 AM, ext lars.kn...@nokia.com wrote: We're now starting with our feature freeze ... We will soon have to start preparing the Alpha of Qt5. The purpose of the Alpha release is to validate the APIs, as well as to get some first general feedback on Qt5 as a product. ... The beta will then expose this to a wider audience and the focus there is mostly to find the remaining bugs and showstoppers, not to work on the API anymore. We should use these steps to fasten also our Qt 5 marketing deliveries. See http://wiki.qt-project.org/Marketing/Qt_5_release - The feature freeze offers the bulk of novelties that Qt 5 contains. - By the alpha release we should have defined the core story and top items to push. Also the deliveries we expect beyond code. - By the beta release we should have the rough content in place, good enough to be useful to the beta release itself. Core text and images / diagrams should be there. - Between beta and final we should focus on the production of more complex deliveries e.g. Qt 5 intro video. If we have planned any kind of launch activities then that will be the time of last minute rush. :) We will need the help of the maintainers extracting the best juice out of Qt 5. I hope Lars has time to follow and review, just as if this would be a component more of the release. Some months back I asked who would coordinate the Qt release marketing this time, only to find eyes looking back at me. :O Until now Qt releases marketing has been pushed by a team inside Trolltech / Nokia. I hope we will move to an open and distributed effort, just like the rest of the Qt Project. Anybody interested in joining please come to the [Marketing] list. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] What's the story for Qt5 on Harmattan?
On 02/02/2012 06:48 AM, ext Lauro Moura wrote: http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/BuildingQt5OnHarmattan#Qt5packagesforHarmattan https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-qt/2012-February/002402.html This is great! I understand why that wiki page is at *.webkit.org but since this is about running Qt 5 in Harmattan, wouldn't it be more useful to maintain it at http://wiki.qt-project.org ? It will be easier to get there the contributions from non-WebKit devs installing and running Qt 5 in their devices. The idea came when I was about to Tweet and G+ that URl and then I thought that I could get questions and confusion from the crowd following Qt 5 news with a N9 / N950 in their pockets. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Qt Contributors Summit CONFIRMED
Pin the dates in your calendar: Qt Contributors Summit June 21-23 Kalkscheune - Berlin http://wiki.qt-project.org/Events/Qt_Contributors_Summit The organization of this event is coordinated at the [Marketing] mailing list: http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing Daniel Molkentin and me welcome volunteers! -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt's Gerrit changes
On 01/23/2012 04:27 PM, ext Jonas Gastal wrote: P.S. Sorry if this is kinda of OT. No problem but it is better that you use the mailing list created precisely for topics like this: http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/geg There you can also get help from other Gerrit contributors. Thank you! -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
On 01/11/2012 08:29 AM, ext Quim Gil wrote: The only days that seem to suit a majority in this semester are during the week of June 18th. We still need to look at the availability of venues in Berlin for those dates. Daniel those of you with _Berliner Fachwissen_ : can you help nailing down the candidates available for an event hosting 200 people in 3 or more rooms between June 21-23 (or earlier that week)? At this point we only need to know availability and quote for the space, usual room equipment and good wlan. All the rest are commodities that won't change from a venue to another. In the meantime I'm putting my time and focus reaching to a critical mass of funding and attendance from the key Qt Project stakeholders. If it's not during these days then we hit the Summer holidays, and after that we start to be close (too?) to Dev Days. An alternative would be to combine both events (also good for optimizing costs). If you don't want to see this happening then your help is welcome solving the equation for the event in June. :) -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
On 01/09/2012 11:42 PM, ext Turunen Tuukka wrote: Hi All, My preference is to definitely have the Contributors Summit before summer in order to focus discussions into what should be in 5.1. So mid-May to mid-June is best, even though 5.0 is still on its way at that time. If we have the event in September, we have very little time until 5.1 (if it is planned to be out before end on 2012). The only days that seem to suit a majority in this semester are during the week of June 18th. We still need to look at the availability of venues in Berlin for those dates. If it's not during these days then we hit the Summer holidays, and after that we start to be close (too?) to Dev Days. An alternative would be to combine both events (also good for optimizing costs). A collateral comment: I see the importance of planning the content of 5.1 and the usefulness of a face to face meeting with that goal. However, a good free software project shouldn't depend of a +200 people event to sort out that efficiently, and an alternative would be to do a much smaller roadmapping-fest limited to e.g. maintainers and special guests. Wider participation could be achieved with the maintainers before the meeting, at a component level. Maintainers should be able to invite extra people at their own criteria if they think they have something to share or push that would benefit the roadmapping meeting. In fact the same model of hackfest can be applied to other hot areas needing face to face sessions. Meetings of about 40 people 2-3 days are *a lot* easier to organize and sponsor than a whole Summit of 200 people. Even teleconferences, hangouts etc can be really productive, easy and inexpensive to setup when it comes to discuss live with the right 10 people (or so). Please let's explore and try out these possibilities. We are doing our best to have a great Qt Contributors Summit at the right time and place, but we can't have the pressure of 'stopping the Qt Project' in our necks. If you know what I mean. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] When is Qt 4.8 in Gerrit? (Was: Qt Commercial 4.8.0 release delta to LGPL version)
Hi Sergio, On 01/09/2012 06:12 AM, ext Sergio Ahumada wrote: Qt 4.x has been in Gerrit since 03/01/2012 https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTQAINFRA-432 Wow, such an awaited event went so unnoticed. The bug report is not that verbose either. Can you or someone write a blog post that we can link to in order to let the world know? It would be really appreciated. Also, is there a Qt Project maintainer for Qt 4 or how does it work? Who are the contacts? Please fill the appropriate information at http://wiki.qt-project.org/Maintainers and/or http://wiki.qt-project.org/Who_does_what . Even a Qt 4.8 wiki page would be useful. Hopefully these steps will contribute to have a better sync between Qt 4.8.1 and Qt Commercial 4.8.1 Thank you for the steps out! -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Qt Contributors Summit: when and where
The Qt Contributors Summit is an event by / for the developers subscribed to this list. Let's have here the discussion about the big items and then we can move to the [marketing] list for the 'implementation details'. It is urgent to book a location! Let's focus the discussion in the points required to get dates a place. After many discussions with many people we seem to agree on the following: - The first edition was a success and it is out of question that we need to keep organizing this event in 2012. - It's good to keep aiming to get about 200 people as long as it's the right people instead of trying to grow just because - losing agility and effectiveness in collaboration and getting things done. - Berlin is a convenient location. There is already a lot of Qt contributors nearby and is easily reachable from other countries. - 3 days seems to be good. - It is good to find a mixture of weekend work days e.g. from Friday to Sunday. Let me know if you are happy with all this. The big items that are still missing: - When? There have been different opinions and the trend seems to be that it is better to do it after Qt 5 is released, otherwise people will be too stuck with bugfixing and pressure to release. But we can't do it in the middle of Summer holidays either. This would send us to late August - September. This is the critical point, all feedback is welcome. - How many rooms, which capacity? No need to get into details but having a rough idea would be useful in order to book the right amount of space. For you this means what type of event do you want: was the event last year good or would you prefer a different distribution? For us booking the venue it has clear implications in the contract and the budget. PS: speaking of budget, we need to discuss also the organization and funding of the event. 100% by Nokia again or do others want to step in? This is a discussion for the [marketing] list. Event volunteers and potential sponsors: make sure you are subscribed to that list http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] New QtonPi mailing list
On 12/08/2011 02:14 PM, Storm-Olsen Marius (Nokia-MP-Qt/Austin) wrote: Are you sure you want another mailing list for something which simply just another platform? ... and the coordination of at least 400 owners of a Raspberry Pi with Qt 5. See what is growing at https://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi/Device_program/Accepted See also the first emails at http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/qtonpi/2011-December/date.html Most mentors and participants subscribed to the QtonPi mailing probably don't have a specific interest in following the development of Qt itself. I mean, we don't want QtonMac, QtonWindows, QtonLinux, QtonAIX, QtonMeego, QtoniPhone, QtonAndroid, QtonBlah, since it separates general discussions. Sure, there will be some discussions which are platform specific, but most people can filter that, if they are not interested in it. Not sure, depends on each project. When the mailing list is the only and transparent channel of communication for developing the project itself you do generate traffic. Imagine for instance all http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/necessitas-devel/ landing in development@qt-project.org - not really useful. Unless the discussions on QtonPi is purely about the platform and getting that suitable for Qt, and not Qt development discussions in general, I would rather that you use the normal development@qt-project.org list. If it's only for the former, I'll bud out. Everybody agrees that Qt 5 development topics go here. I plan to direct to the DevNet forums any questions related to pure Qt app development. Still, we expect a decent volume of QtonPi project development topics not fitting really anywhere else. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Fwd: Call for Qt on Raspberry Pi mentors
Qt Project maintainers, approvers and contributors are especially encouraged to become mentors of Qt on Raspberry Pi activities in order to bring more / better development, testing, users and attention around Qt 5. More information below. If you have questions please use the interest mailing list of contact Rajiv me directly. Thanks! -- Quim Original Message Subject: Call for Qt on Raspberry Pi mentors Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:42:37 -0800 From: Quim Gil quim@nokia.com To: inter...@qt-project.org inter...@qt-project.org CC: Ranganath Rajiv (Nokia-DXM/SiliconValley) rajiv.rangan...@nokia.com (((Using the interest list while we get the QtonPi mailing list - already requested))) Blog post at http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/12/02/call-for-qt-on-raspberry-pi-mentors/ - pasted here for convenience: We are impressed by the speed, depth and breath of the response to our call for Qt 5 on Raspberry Pi projects [1]. We have more than 400 candidates [2] for the 400 boards we expect to have as soon as the Raspberry Pi Foundation is ready! The list is growing, and if you have an idea in mind we still encourage you to apply. But your question is: am I getting one? When will I know? Rajiv, co-maintainer of this project, has a proposal on how to proceed. It solves not only the problem of deciding who gets one, but also answers other reasonable questions: * How do we bootstrap this project in a sustainable way? * How to minimize the risk of duplicated work, missed shots, people lost? * How to make it more productive and fun for those getting boards and those not getting them yet or from us? * How to promote novices to get involved as well as experts? * (and more worries we have, but this is getting boring) So here is the proposal: articulate the distribution of boards around development areas driven by mentors, and involve those mentors in the selection of fortunate developers. Good examples of mentors can be Qt Project maintainers and approvers, professionals working full time in Qt related projects, open source developers with a community reputation. We expect the areas proposed to fit within these layers for Raspberry Pi: * Qt 5 App development projects: ports of existing apps and creation of new ones. * Qt 5 framework development, testing, optimization – This includes Qt Quick, Qt WebKit and documentation. * Enhancing the SDK, which is based on Qt Creator. * Platform development: Linux Kernel, Graphics and Multimedia enablers and other dependencies of Qt 5 and the SDK. * Promotion of the projects through video production and blogging. Apply to become a mentor Just go to https://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi/Device_program#Mentors and tell us in a couple of lines and links who you are, which area you can mentor and some examples of projects proposed that could fit in your area. You need to have time available to facilitate the activity around your area. You shouldn’t be the only one doing the work, but you will be the one setting the initial level and getting new contributors on board. All mentors will be announced by the end of December 7th. These mentors must create a wiki page specific to their area and must select the candidates to be accepted by the end of December 12th. Mentors and participants will receive the instructions to get the boards after being accepted. Please be fast. We want to get these 400 boards to their new owners asap! [1] http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/11/24/qt-5-with-rasberry-pi-a-delicious-mix-with-home-delivery/ [2] http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi/Device_program -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Qt 5 Raspberry Pi device program
Hi, if you are interested in Qt 5 Raspberry Pi: https://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/11/24/qt-5-with-rasberry-pi-a-delicious-mix-with-home-delivery/ http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_RaspberryPi http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_RaspberryPi/Device_program We have about 400 boards to be distributed among those that will make the most of them with Qt 5. We hope it is useful for the Qt Project to speed up Qt 5 testing and development as well as to get the first wave of Qt 5 apps, ported or created. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] New list for Qt Project marketing discussions
Hi, the Qt Project has now a collaboration channel focusing on marketing, events and misc community activities not directly related with software development: - qt-project.org content. - Marketing activities. - Organization and involvement in events. - ... Your participation is welcome! http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
Re: [Development] Qt development topics in Qt Contribution Day
On 11/02/2011 07:36 AM, Quim Gil wrote: If you are planning to have Qt Project specific discussions, including those directly related with development and anything worth taking minutes and publish them, then we will gladly schedule them during that day. Watch http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_Contributors_Day - there are still many spots in the schedule. If you are planning to participate please register yourself at the wiki page. Thanks! -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Mailing list for community / web / marketing / events
Hi, I want to propose the creation of a mailing list focusing on marketing, events and misc community activities not directly related with software development: - qt-project.org content. - Marketing activities. - Organization and involvement in events. ... The problem is that many of the people actually working on these activities (at Nokia, other companies, individuals...) are not really engaged in software development and I don't see them subscribing here only to cherry-pick the non-technical discussions. What it happens in practice is that someone like me must go after them to their mailboxes, blogs, tweets, etc - without a clear record of whatever discussions we might have. I subscribe totally to the principle of less lists with high traffic and the education on e.g. mail filters. I think it works well to prevent the fragmentation of discussions inside a meta-area (e.g. software development) but I don't think it is the solution for everything especially when you are mixing busy people with very different backgrounds. The existence of marketing or community specific mailing lists in big free software projects is quite usual. Probably for a good reason. Please consider. Thank you. -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
[Development] Qt development topics in Qt Contribution Day
Hi, I'm organizing the Qt Contribution Day in San Francisco on Nov 29. The discussion is taking place at the [interest] mailing list, see http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2011-November/58.html If you are planning to have Qt Project specific discussions, including those directly related with development and anything worth taking minutes and publish them, then we will gladly schedule them during that day. Just reply to the [interest] mailing list or to me directly. I will setup a wiki page with the draft agenda this week. PS: if you or someone you know is interested in Qt community / marketing / events topics then the [interest] mailing list is a good place to be. http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest -- Quim ___ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
