[freenet-dev] Cannot edit sourceforge wiki
On Monday 04 January 2010 22:48:35 Ximin Luo wrote: > In the meantime, I've given "editor" to the following: > * Droden (Created on 4 January 2010 at 21:41) > I assume all of those are people from here; the accounts were all created > after I sent around the first email. Yes, that one is me, thanks. David -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20100104/5969629c/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-dev] Cannot edit sourceforge wiki
Shoey Fighter wrote: > Is there a way to let public and/or sourceforge members access by > default? (I see that there is a group "editor" to allow people to > edit, but that seems to be a PITA) toad is going to look into that; it involves editing the PHP config file directly, which only he has access to. In the meantime, I've given "editor" to the following: * Caco patane (Created on 4 January 2010 at 14:41) * Carlroth (Created on 4 January 2010 at 17:39) * Dieppe (Created on 4 January 2010 at 17:42) * Droden (Created on 4 January 2010 at 21:41) * Sdiz (Created on 4 January 2010 at 15:47) * Shoeyfighter (Created on 4 January 2010 at 19:16) * Tribeca23 (Created on 4 January 2010 at 15:45) I assume all of those are people from here; the accounts were all created after I sent around the first email. X
[freenet-dev] Problem generating the website on archlinux
Hi, I switched from gentoo to arch, but then I wanted to translate the website into french, but couldn't generate it anymore. I don't understand why, since I do have php-cgi installed. Is there any other prerequisites ? Regards, Dieppe
[freenet-dev] Moving the french wiki to sourceforge?
2010/1/4 Cl?ment Vollet > Since the official english wiki is being moved to sourceforge, can we also > put > the french wiki there too? > It's already on mediawiki, so it should be pretty straightforward (?). > You may want to wait a bit, as its possible we'll be migrating elsewhere, perhaps to emu (our own server). If so, you'll be welcome to migrate the french version there too. Ian. -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: ian at sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20100104/8511f18b/attachment.html>
[freenet-dev] New wiki
Ian Clarke skrev: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Christian Funder Sommerlund (Zero3) > mailto:lists at zero3.dk>> wrote: > > Ian Clarke skrev: > > Well, the obvious thing would be to host it on Emu, I was under the > > vague impression that this was the plan but I must confess that I > wasn't > > paying close attention to that discussion. > > FYI: One of the main reason we are switching is that we are trying to > get rid of Emu to save the cost and maintenance. > > > Right, but realistically I don't think that is going to happen any time > soon, given how long we've been talking about it and how little progress > has been made. It certainly won't happen until we move things like the wiki and bugtracker off Emu, no ;). (My two eurocents are that Mediawiki and SF are not the optimal solutions, but a far better one than doing nothing and holding back our overall hosting roadmap. So if this is the choice made, I will support it and do my part in getting the best out of it.) - Zero3
[freenet-dev] New wiki
We again exchanged 11 mails about a finished task :) And you took the opportunity to flame against sf.net because Ximin accidentally provided the https link, which was surely not intended by the sf.net guys. But hey, I should not have written this now, its the 12th mail ;) On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 18:29, Ian Clarke wrote: > Right, but realistically I don't think that is going to happen any time > soon, given how long we've been talking about it and how little progress has > been made. -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __
[freenet-dev] New wiki
>> how long we've been talking about it > not the optimal solutions something a friend linked me a while ago. i think it expresses the theme quite well. :p http://upload.cetafurs.com/scaling.png X P.S. if you like the pic, save it - apparently "The server owner clears that stuff out from time to time"
[freenet-dev] New wiki
Ian Clarke skrev: > Well, the obvious thing would be to host it on Emu, I was under the > vague impression that this was the plan but I must confess that I wasn't > paying close attention to that discussion. FYI: One of the main reason we are switching is that we are trying to get rid of Emu to save the cost and maintenance. - Zero3
[freenet-dev] Yet more Windows install failures
Matthew Toseland skrev: > One theory for this is that icacls.exe is 64-bit on win64 and therefore isn't > a valid win32 app when called from 32-bit wrapper or AHK code. However, why > do we need to call icacls.exe at all in the new installer, given that we > don't create a user? And even if it fails, so what, why should that break > anything else? Yes, that is most likely the reason. IIRC NetworkService (the user account we now use) doesn't by default have read-write access to our files. Can someone verify on XP/Vista/Win7? If icacls fails, the installer will continue anyway. However, since the node didn't work, chances are that we did indeed need to apply the permissions. > Another theory is that there is difficulty in detecting the JVM on win64. One > solution is to let it pick it up from the registry, see my other mail - it > will only pick up the 32-bit version, but that is okay, the 64-bit version > isn't autoupdated and may not be terribly reliable... However, in the below > log, it was attempted to hard-code the path to the 64-bit java exe (which > works for other people). I'm not so sure: [22:46:01] It only has one line: STATUS | wrapper | 2010/01/03 15:03:54 | Freenet background service installed. This means that the service installation succeeded (or at least the wrapper thinks so), but it was never attempted started. This means that the Windows start.exe fails, which the mentioned "didn't respond to signal" errors confirm. This means that Service_Start() in src_freenethelpers/FreenetStart.ahk fails to start the service before the 120 second timeout kicks in and throws that error. It would be interesting to know if the service actually has been created, as the wrapper claims. If it has, I need to look into why Service_Start() fails. Of course this could be caused by the lack of proper permissions because icacls failed... We should figure that out first. > Thoughts? This is a blocker: Freenet must install reliably on 80% of win64 > systems before releasing 0.8.0! We need a 64-bit tester then... It's kind of hard to develop something for a system you neither own nor has access to in one way or another. > Also, Freenet must install reliably on Windows 7 before releasing 0.8.0. > Right now the installer doesn't support it. It's true that it's not officially supported, but I've seen both successful and failed Win7 installs. Again, I need a tester before I can start tracking down bugs. - Zero3
[freenet-dev] New wiki
With a grade in computer science, I know that you don't just expected to enter some openid and get entrance. Of course you already checked the openid trouble page (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/OpenID) and checked if your openid is supported. If you did all of this, then you found a bug in the system. You could open a bug report to support them to fix this for the future. We all hope that the freenet users do the same when they find a bug, rather than to delete freenet. ^^ Regards, bback. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 15:32, Ian Clarke wrote: > I'm glad to see that despite the new "web 2.0" look and feel, SourceForge's > website is still as unusable as it always was. > Case in point, the link below takes me to a login page, where I'm asked for > an OpenID account, which I obediently provide, but no-matter what I do, > nothing I try seems to take me to the wiki. > But then, I only have a degree in computer science and a quarter of a > century of experience with computers, why should I expect to be able to use > their website? :-/ > Ian. > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Ximin Luo wrote: >> >> I noticed that this hasn't been posted on the mailing list yet, but we >> have a >> new wiki: >> >> https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/ >> >> This may or may not be the "final" setup but it'll do for now - mediawiki >> is >> common so can be backed-up and migrated to a different installation if >> necessary. SF hosting is a bit slow. >> >> If anyone has time, please help to migrate the content from the old wiki >> over >> to this new one. You need a SF account. Also at the moment there's some >> issues >> with default users being unable to edit. toad, evanbd, and I have admin >> privs >> on it, so just give a shout (IRC probably quickest) and we'll give you >> access. >> >> X >> ___ >> Devl mailing list >> Devl at freenetproject.org >> http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > > > > -- > Ian Clarke > CEO, SenseArray > Email: ian at sensearray.com > Ph: +1 512 422 3588 > > ___ > Devl mailing list > Devl at freenetproject.org > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __
[freenet-dev] New wiki
Ian Clarke wrote: > Case in point, the link below takes me to a login page, where I'm asked for > an OpenID account, which I obediently provide, but no-matter what I do, > nothing I try seems to take me to the wiki. Whoops, you can access the wiki without having to log on by using http:// instead of https:// http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/ X
[freenet-dev] Detect Java location from registry rather than path
Matthew Toseland skrev: > We can improve the wrapper's reliability on Windows (especially 64-bit) by > finding Java from the registry rather than the path: > > wrapper.java.command=java > = Use system path > wrapper.java.command= > = (ON WINDOWS ONLY) Use registry and put into WRAPPER_JAVA_HOME. > > http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.org/doc/english/prop-java-command.html I agree. https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=3766 - Zero3
[freenet-dev] Yet more Windows install failures
it is? [22:48:53] Yes [22:51:38] qwebirc20693: uh i have no idea, sorry [22:51:50] normally when something goes wrong it should say so in wrapper.log :/ [22:52:41] what does the "wrapper.logfile.loglevel=" line say in wrapper.conf? [22:53:44] wrapper.logfile.loglevel=INFO [22:55:53] yeah, mine too [22:58:34] qwebirc20693: does icacls exist on the command line? [22:58:42] just type in "icacls" and see what happens [22:58:56] What command line? (I'm such an idiot) [22:59:18] the thing you used to run "java -version" earlier [23:00:43] I didn't do that. [23:01:07] oh right, there was someone here earlier [23:01:10] i thought that was you [23:01:18] (20:23:13) saces: start->run program->cmd should open a command prompt [23:01:23] then type "icacls" into it [23:04:05] qwebirc20693: oh wait, you're not the one that had the "icacls" problem? [23:04:08] A black box with white text popped up then disappeared [23:04:12] Yes, I was the one [23:04:40] I have vista so I don't see run program when i click start [23:05:03] oh right [23:05:10] but i found it [23:05:14] it might be in "accessories" [23:05:17] ah kk [23:05:29] i hit windows and r [23:05:31] so when you typed in "icacls" do you mean another black box popped up then disappeared? [23:05:45] yes [23:05:53] too fast to read [23:06:05] that should mean your system does have icacls, then :/ [23:06:16] gah [23:06:31] uh you could try uninstalling then re-installing freenet i guess [23:06:45] you might want to keep a copy of wrapper.conf because you'll have to re-do those changes [23:07:22] okay [23:12:26] same icacls problem. :( [23:17:50] qwebirc20693: sigh, sorry i can't help any more with it. i don't run windows here... if you stick around, someone might have an answer though [23:19:53] That's okay. Thanks for working with me so much! I appreciate it! -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20100104/d084412c/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-dev] Yet more Windows install failures
One theory for this is that icacls.exe is 64-bit on win64 and therefore isn't a valid win32 app when called from 32-bit wrapper or AHK code. However, why do we need to call icacls.exe at all in the new installer, given that we don't create a user? And even if it fails, so what, why should that break anything else? Another theory is that there is difficulty in detecting the JVM on win64. One solution is to let it pick it up from the registry, see my other mail - it will only pick up the 32-bit version, but that is okay, the 64-bit version isn't autoupdated and may not be terribly reliable... However, in the below log, it was attempted to hard-code the path to the 64-bit java exe (which works for other people). Thoughts? This is a blocker: Freenet must install reliably on 80% of win64 systems before releasing 0.8.0! Also, Freenet must install reliably on Windows 7 before releasing 0.8.0. Right now the installer doesn't support it. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20100104/0be35b5b/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-dev] Detect Java location from registry rather than path
We can improve the wrapper's reliability on Windows (especially 64-bit) by finding Java from the registry rather than the path: wrapper.java.command=java = Use system path wrapper.java.command= = (ON WINDOWS ONLY) Use registry and put into WRAPPER_JAVA_HOME. http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.org/doc/english/prop-java-command.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20100104/4e394a41/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-dev] New wiki
I noticed that this hasn't been posted on the mailing list yet, but we have a new wiki: https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/ This may or may not be the "final" setup but it'll do for now - mediawiki is common so can be backed-up and migrated to a different installation if necessary. SF hosting is a bit slow. If anyone has time, please help to migrate the content from the old wiki over to this new one. You need a SF account. Also at the moment there's some issues with default users being unable to edit. toad, evanbd, and I have admin privs on it, so just give a shout (IRC probably quickest) and we'll give you access. X
[freenet-dev] Cannot edit sourceforge wiki
Hello. It seems that I cannot edit the new sourceforge wiki... Is there a way to let public and/or sourceforge members access by default? (I see that there is a group "editor" to allow people to edit, but that seems to be a PITA) Thanks.
[freenet-dev] New wiki
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Christian Funder Sommerlund (Zero3) < lists at zero3.dk> wrote: > Ian Clarke skrev: > > Well, the obvious thing would be to host it on Emu, I was under the > > vague impression that this was the plan but I must confess that I wasn't > > paying close attention to that discussion. > > FYI: One of the main reason we are switching is that we are trying to > get rid of Emu to save the cost and maintenance. > Right, but realistically I don't think that is going to happen any time soon, given how long we've been talking about it and how little progress has been made. Ian. -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: ian at sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20100104/67ede411/attachment.html>
[freenet-dev] Development blocked
On Sunday 03 January 2010 17:03:40 p01air3 p01air3 wrote: > On its freesite, Toad says he cannot make the 1240 release before long. > Someone can make 1240 to allow the development of the freetalk project? > (This plugin will appear in the list of official plugins and it will be on > the freenet network, fetchable anonymously and up to date.) It's important > to increase the number of users. > ___ > Devl mailing list > Devl at freenetproject.org > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl I'm the lead developer of Freetalk and I will tell toad when it's ready for deployment on the plugins page, which it is not right now. He will take care about 1240 then. I'm working on it though. So no need to hurry. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20100104/89e263d2/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20100104/89e263d2/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-dev] New wiki
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Evan Daniel wrote: >> >> You know, you could have brought this up when we were discussing >> moving the wiki. > > No I couldn't, because at the time I didn't know that their wiki hosting was > so badly designed because I hadn't personally tried it. You could have tried it at the time. SF allows users (not just projects) to set up copies of any of their hosted apps. It's quite easy; it literally took longer for me to find my old login and password info than to set up a copy of MediaWiki. > >> >> ?Or you could suggest an alternative Mediawiki host; > > I could, except I'm not familiar with Mediawiki nor the hosting options for > it - I took people's word for it that it would be an improvement on what we > have now. >From a usability standpoint, it's a *vast* improvement. The big features it adds, for me, are viable spam management, categories, templates, and markup that most of our potential authors already know. > >> >> you shouldn't have much trouble moving the wiki, since SF provides >> convenient backups / exports. ?I don't think anyone is particularly >> committed to SF, we were just tired of standing around bitching >> instead of actually working on it. ?If you want to wait around for the >> perfect solution to the wiki hosting problem to appear, don't let >> those of us working on writing stuff for it get in your way. > > Can't we discuss the fact that the proposed new wiki appears to be unusable, > without you getting mad at me? ?Its not my fault that SF's usability sucks. Sure. For starters, it does not appear unusable to me. It's a little slow, and there are some odd default permissions that I'm not yet sure how to correct, but I still find it to be an improvement. There are two independent issues, here: converting to MediaWiki, and hosting the wiki. I got tired of waiting on the latter to start on the former. I'm serious about moving the wiki: it should be easy, and I would have no objections. > >> >> You don't particularly sound like you want help solving this problem, >> but I might as well ask: did you actually succeed at logging in to the >> SF site? > > I'm not really concerned about myself, I'm more concerned about that fact > that the new wiki appears unviewable (since I assume I'm not the only person > having problems with it). > As it stands, an unviewable wiki is far worse than what we already have at > wiki.freenetproject.org. > Tell me I'm wrong, but don't get mad at me simply for making an observation. I'm not telling you you're wrong; I'm sure you really did have trouble logging in. A simple observation would have been something along the lines of "My OpenID login doesn't work; this makes the wiki unviewable for me, which is obviously bad." Your post was not that. And so far, this is the first I've heard about your problem. Can you log in to SF at all, or is it just a wiki problem? Have you followed the steps bback suggested? What I got mad about was that you were complaining about a solution to a problem (the current wiki being badly organized, spammed, and basically unmaintained), without offering anything that could remotely be construed as a constructive suggestion. IMHO the wiki migration is not the first case where Freenet work has stalled waiting for a consensus that will not appear about some decision. Attacking proposed solutions, especially ones people are already working on, is a way to make that happen more often, not less. Frequently, an imperfect decision is better than no decision, and in many cases (including this one), fixing that decision later is easy enough and doesn't even waste the interim work. I view the wiki migration process in the context of WP:BOLD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold ); rather than spending a lot of time figuring out how to best solve the problem, infinity0 and I simply started solving it. Evan Daniel
[freenet-dev] New wiki
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Evan Daniel wrote: > There are two independent issues, here: converting to MediaWiki, and > hosting the wiki. I got tired of waiting on the latter to start on > the former. I'm serious about moving the wiki: it should be easy, and > I would have no objections. > Well, the obvious thing would be to host it on Emu, I was under the vague impression that this was the plan but I must confess that I wasn't paying close attention to that discussion. > I'm not telling you you're wrong; I'm sure you really did have trouble > logging in. A simple observation would have been something along the > lines of "My OpenID login doesn't work; this makes the wiki unviewable > for me, which is obviously bad." Your post was not that. And so far, > this is the first I've heard about your problem. Can you log in to SF > at all, or is it just a wiki problem? Have you followed the steps > bback suggested? > It seems that the problem was caused by the 'https' URL, rather than 'http'. It still demonstrates poor website design on the part of sourceforge though. > What I got mad about was that you were complaining about a solution to > a problem (the current wiki being badly organized, spammed, and > basically unmaintained), without offering anything that could remotely > be construed as a constructive suggestion. It is entirely legitimate to report a problem without necessarily having the solution. Would you prefer that people only report the bugs that they themselves know how to fix? You'll find that few projects operate that way, and with good reason. Pointing out a problem is a useful act, even if its not accompanied by a solution to the problem. > IMHO the wiki migration is > not the first case where Freenet work has stalled waiting for a > consensus that will not appear about some decision. I agree, it is far better just to go and do it, if you wait for permission from everyone it will never happen. > Attacking > proposed solutions, especially ones people are already working on, is > a way to make that happen more often, not less. I'm not attacking anything or anyone, I was pointing out a problem. Reporting bugs is helpful, its not attacking anything. This is why we ask users to report bugs, not yell at them for it. > Frequently, an > imperfect decision is better than no decision I agree, but its not "attacking" to point out those imperfections so that they can be corrected. > rather than spending > a lot of time figuring out how to best solve the problem, infinity0 > and I simply started solving it. > And I'm glad you did, I really think you are overreacting here - all I did was report a problem (while expressing some frustration with sourceforge who really should have learned how to build a usable website by now, they've been around long enough). Perhaps you felt that my frustration was directed at you rather than sourceforge, this was not my intention. Ian. -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: ian at sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20100104/e996f6fa/attachment.html>
[freenet-dev] New wiki
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Ximin Luo wrote: > Ian Clarke wrote: > > Case in point, the link below takes me to a login page, where I'm asked > for > > an OpenID account, which I obediently provide, but no-matter what I do, > > nothing I try seems to take me to the wiki. > > Whoops, you can access the wiki without having to log on by using http:// > instead of https:// > > http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/ Ok, this worked - thanks. Ian. -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: ian at sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20100104/96f67b18/attachment.html>
[freenet-dev] New wiki
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Ian Clarke wrote: > I'm glad to see that despite the new "web 2.0" look and feel, SourceForge's > website is still as unusable as it always was. > Case in point, the link below takes me to a login page, where I'm asked for > an OpenID account, which I obediently provide, but no-matter what I do, > nothing I try seems to take me to the wiki. > But then, I only have a degree in computer science and a quarter of a > century of experience with computers, why should I expect to be able to use > their website? :-/ > Ian. You know, you could have brought this up when we were discussing moving the wiki. Or you could suggest an alternative Mediawiki host; you shouldn't have much trouble moving the wiki, since SF provides convenient backups / exports. I don't think anyone is particularly committed to SF, we were just tired of standing around bitching instead of actually working on it. If you want to wait around for the perfect solution to the wiki hosting problem to appear, don't let those of us working on writing stuff for it get in your way. You don't particularly sound like you want help solving this problem, but I might as well ask: did you actually succeed at logging in to the SF site? Evan Daniel > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Ximin Luo wrote: >> >> I noticed that this hasn't been posted on the mailing list yet, but we >> have a >> new wiki: >> >> https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/ >> >> This may or may not be the "final" setup but it'll do for now - mediawiki >> is >> common so can be backed-up and migrated to a different installation if >> necessary. SF hosting is a bit slow. >> >> If anyone has time, please help to migrate the content from the old wiki >> over >> to this new one. You need a SF account. Also at the moment there's some >> issues >> with default users being unable to edit. toad, evanbd, and I have admin >> privs >> on it, so just give a shout (IRC probably quickest) and we'll give you >> access. >> >> X >> ___ >> Devl mailing list >> Devl at freenetproject.org >> http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > > > > -- > Ian Clarke > CEO, SenseArray > Email: ian at sensearray.com > Ph: +1 512 422 3588 > > ___ > Devl mailing list > Devl at freenetproject.org > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl >
[freenet-dev] New wiki
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Evan Daniel wrote: > You know, you could have brought this up when we were discussing > moving the wiki. No I couldn't, because at the time I didn't know that their wiki hosting was so badly designed because I hadn't personally tried it. > Or you could suggest an alternative Mediawiki host; > I could, except I'm not familiar with Mediawiki nor the hosting options for it - I took people's word for it that it would be an improvement on what we have now. > you shouldn't have much trouble moving the wiki, since SF provides > convenient backups / exports. I don't think anyone is particularly > committed to SF, we were just tired of standing around bitching > instead of actually working on it. If you want to wait around for the > perfect solution to the wiki hosting problem to appear, don't let > those of us working on writing stuff for it get in your way. > Can't we discuss the fact that the proposed new wiki appears to be unusable, without you getting mad at me? Its not my fault that SF's usability sucks. > You don't particularly sound like you want help solving this problem, > but I might as well ask: did you actually succeed at logging in to the > SF site? I'm not really concerned about myself, I'm more concerned about that fact that the new wiki appears unviewable (since I assume I'm not the only person having problems with it). As it stands, an unviewable wiki is far worse than what we already have at wiki.freenetproject.org. Tell me I'm wrong, but don't get mad at me simply for making an observation. Ian. -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: ian at sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20100104/61ae7d0e/attachment.html>
[freenet-dev] New wiki
I'm glad to see that despite the new "web 2.0" look and feel, SourceForge's website is still as unusable as it always was. Case in point, the link below takes me to a login page, where I'm asked for an OpenID account, which I obediently provide, but no-matter what I do, nothing I try seems to take me to the wiki. But then, I only have a degree in computer science and a quarter of a century of experience with computers, why should I expect to be able to use their website? :-/ Ian. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Ximin Luo wrote: > I noticed that this hasn't been posted on the mailing list yet, but we have > a > new wiki: > > https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/ > > This may or may not be the "final" setup but it'll do for now - mediawiki > is > common so can be backed-up and migrated to a different installation if > necessary. SF hosting is a bit slow. > > If anyone has time, please help to migrate the content from the old wiki > over > to this new one. You need a SF account. Also at the moment there's some > issues > with default users being unable to edit. toad, evanbd, and I have admin > privs > on it, so just give a shout (IRC probably quickest) and we'll give you > access. > > X > ___ > Devl mailing list > Devl at freenetproject.org > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: ian at sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20100104/9bc66297/attachment.html>
Re: [freenet-dev] Development blocked
On Sunday 03 January 2010 17:03:40 p01air3 p01air3 wrote: On its freesite, Toad says he cannot make the 1240 release before long. Someone can make 1240 to allow the development of the freetalk project? (This plugin will appear in the list of official plugins and it will be on the freenet network, fetchable anonymously and up to date.) It's important to increase the number of users. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl I'm the lead developer of Freetalk and I will tell toad when it's ready for deployment on the plugins page, which it is not right now. He will take care about 1240 then. I'm working on it though. So no need to hurry. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
[freenet-dev] New wiki
I noticed that this hasn't been posted on the mailing list yet, but we have a new wiki: https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/ This may or may not be the final setup but it'll do for now - mediawiki is common so can be backed-up and migrated to a different installation if necessary. SF hosting is a bit slow. If anyone has time, please help to migrate the content from the old wiki over to this new one. You need a SF account. Also at the moment there's some issues with default users being unable to edit. toad, evanbd, and I have admin privs on it, so just give a shout (IRC probably quickest) and we'll give you access. X ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
[freenet-dev] Detect Java location from registry rather than path
We can improve the wrapper's reliability on Windows (especially 64-bit) by finding Java from the registry rather than the path: wrapper.java.command=java = Use system path wrapper.java.command= = (ON WINDOWS ONLY) Use registry and put into WRAPPER_JAVA_HOME. http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.org/doc/english/prop-java-command.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
I'm glad to see that despite the new web 2.0 look and feel, SourceForge's website is still as unusable as it always was. Case in point, the link below takes me to a login page, where I'm asked for an OpenID account, which I obediently provide, but no-matter what I do, nothing I try seems to take me to the wiki. But then, I only have a degree in computer science and a quarter of a century of experience with computers, why should I expect to be able to use their website? :-/ Ian. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Ximin Luo xl...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I noticed that this hasn't been posted on the mailing list yet, but we have a new wiki: https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/ This may or may not be the final setup but it'll do for now - mediawiki is common so can be backed-up and migrated to a different installation if necessary. SF hosting is a bit slow. If anyone has time, please help to migrate the content from the old wiki over to this new one. You need a SF account. Also at the moment there's some issues with default users being unable to edit. toad, evanbd, and I have admin privs on it, so just give a shout (IRC probably quickest) and we'll give you access. X ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: i...@sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Yet more Windows install failures
On Monday 04 January 2010 14:34:20 Matthew Toseland wrote: One theory for this is that icacls.exe is 64-bit on win64 and therefore isn't a valid win32 app when called from 32-bit wrapper or AHK code. However, why do we need to call icacls.exe at all in the new installer, given that we don't create a user? And even if it fails, so what, why should that break anything else? Another theory is that there is difficulty in detecting the JVM on win64. One solution is to let it pick it up from the registry, see my other mail - it will only pick up the 32-bit version, but that is okay, the 64-bit version isn't autoupdated and may not be terribly reliable... However, in the below log, it was attempted to hard-code the path to the 64-bit java exe (which works for other people). Thoughts? This is a blocker: Freenet must install reliably on 80% of win64 systems before releasing 0.8.0! Also, Freenet must install reliably on Windows 7 before releasing 0.8.0. Right now the installer doesn't support it. The actual conversation would be a good idea: [05:57:19] qwebirc24579 Hi! [05:57:38] qwebirc24579 Anybody out there willing to help a girl out? [05:58:12] evanbd Ask away :) [05:59:08] qwebirc24579 I'm trying to install Freenet, but during installation, I keep getting a message saying that something is not a valid win 32 application [05:59:46] qwebirc24579 Then it finishes installing and tells me that it is unable to connect and to reinstall [06:00:08] qwebirc24579 I'm using Vista [06:00:11] evanbd Oh, great, win installer issues :/ [06:00:17] evanbd Not exactly me specialty. [06:00:21] evanbd Post the exact error message? [06:01:10] qwebirc24579 icacls.exe is not a valid win 32 application [06:01:26] TheSeeker is that the bit that's trying to create a new user? [06:01:36] TheSeeker old winstaller? [06:01:56] qwebirc24579 I'm not sure... [06:07:54] evanbd qwebirc24579: Where / when did you download the installer? [06:08:29] qwebirc24579 freenetproject.org [06:09:09] evanbd Recently, I assume? [06:09:13] qwebirc24579 Then I tried a different one on source forge [06:09:19] qwebirc24579 yes, just a few minutes ago [06:09:36] qwebirc24579 i installed then uninstalled and installed again [06:09:47] evanbd :/ [06:09:52] evanbd I have no clue, then. [06:10:02] qwebirc24579 aw [06:10:04] qwebirc24579 oh well [06:10:13] qwebirc24579 thanks anyway! [06:10:17] evanbd You might try during UK/US daytime hours. Or ask on the support list. [06:10:43] qwebirc24579 i will! :) [06:10:47] qwebirc24579 thanks [19:57:42] qwebirc50770 Hello? [19:57:51] DuClare Hi? [19:58:10] qwebirc50770 I'm having installation issues with freenet and was wondering if someone could help [19:59:00] infinity0 go on [19:59:39] qwebirc50770 When I install, I get a message saying icacls.exe not a valid win32 application [19:59:55] qwebirc50770 Then when I try to run it, it tells me service did not respond to signal [20:00:06] qwebirc50770 I uninstalled and reinstalled [20:00:45] qwebirc50770 I'm using Vista and am trying to use the one on freenetproject.org [20:02:43] infinity0 lol [20:02:53] infinity0 you need some extra service thingy [20:03:06] infinity0 hang on [20:03:26] infinity0 qwebirc50770: well, i dunno about the stuff after icacls [20:03:46] infinity0 but icacls is some windows admin program that modifies file access properties [20:04:12] infinity0 i'm surprised the installer needs it, though :/ [20:04:47] qwebirc50770 :( [20:05:53] infinity0 hmm, google suggests it should be part of a standard windows vista install... [20:06:01] infinity0 qwebirc50770: what edition of vista do you have? [20:07:46] qwebirc50770 Home Premium [20:07:59] qwebirc50770 (Sorry - I had to check) [20:10:29] digger3 infinity0: maybe a non-default installation folder that is causing it? [20:10:37] saces qwebirc50770: 32 or 64 bit? [20:10:45] infinity0 qwebirc50770: hm, i basically have no idea, sorry. if you don't have icacls, searhc microsoft [20:10:52] infinity0 maybe you can download it from them [20:11:22] DuClare If that doesn't work, try reinstalling the OS, or try installing another version [20:12:51] qwebirc50770 another version of freenet? [20:13:06] DuClare Of Windows [20:13:15] digger3 DuClare: hardly a solution IMHO [20:13:39] qwebirc50770 Ah well. [20:13:57] digger3 qwebirc50770: 21:10 @saces qwebirc50770: 32 or 64 bit? [20:14:15] qwebirc50770 I'm not sure... [20:14:51] digger3 qwebirc50770: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-Windows-frequently-asked-questions (2nd option) [20:15:10] qwebirc50770 64 [20:16:38] saces qwebirc50770: now check the java version for 32/64 bit [20:17:05] qwebirc50770 java version? [20:17:24] saces 'java -version' on a command line tells it ;) [20:20:03] qwebirc50770 I'm sorry - I'm not sure how to do that. :( [20:20:57] saces start-run program-cmd should open a command prompt [20:21:47] * saces have never seen a vista or later desktop [20:22:57] saces the
Re: [freenet-dev] Detect Java location from registry rather than path
Matthew Toseland skrev: We can improve the wrapper's reliability on Windows (especially 64-bit) by finding Java from the registry rather than the path: wrapper.java.command=java = Use system path wrapper.java.command= = (ON WINDOWS ONLY) Use registry and put into WRAPPER_JAVA_HOME. http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.org/doc/english/prop-java-command.html I agree. https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=3766 - Zero3 ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
With a grade in computer science, I know that you don't just expected to enter some openid and get entrance. Of course you already checked the openid trouble page (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/OpenID) and checked if your openid is supported. If you did all of this, then you found a bug in the system. You could open a bug report to support them to fix this for the future. We all hope that the freenet users do the same when they find a bug, rather than to delete freenet. ^^ Regards, bback. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 15:32, Ian Clarke i...@locut.us wrote: I'm glad to see that despite the new web 2.0 look and feel, SourceForge's website is still as unusable as it always was. Case in point, the link below takes me to a login page, where I'm asked for an OpenID account, which I obediently provide, but no-matter what I do, nothing I try seems to take me to the wiki. But then, I only have a degree in computer science and a quarter of a century of experience with computers, why should I expect to be able to use their website? :-/ Ian. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Ximin Luo xl...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I noticed that this hasn't been posted on the mailing list yet, but we have a new wiki: https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/ This may or may not be the final setup but it'll do for now - mediawiki is common so can be backed-up and migrated to a different installation if necessary. SF hosting is a bit slow. If anyone has time, please help to migrate the content from the old wiki over to this new one. You need a SF account. Also at the moment there's some issues with default users being unable to edit. toad, evanbd, and I have admin privs on it, so just give a shout (IRC probably quickest) and we'll give you access. X ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: i...@sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Ian Clarke i...@locut.us wrote: I'm glad to see that despite the new web 2.0 look and feel, SourceForge's website is still as unusable as it always was. Case in point, the link below takes me to a login page, where I'm asked for an OpenID account, which I obediently provide, but no-matter what I do, nothing I try seems to take me to the wiki. But then, I only have a degree in computer science and a quarter of a century of experience with computers, why should I expect to be able to use their website? :-/ Ian. You know, you could have brought this up when we were discussing moving the wiki. Or you could suggest an alternative Mediawiki host; you shouldn't have much trouble moving the wiki, since SF provides convenient backups / exports. I don't think anyone is particularly committed to SF, we were just tired of standing around bitching instead of actually working on it. If you want to wait around for the perfect solution to the wiki hosting problem to appear, don't let those of us working on writing stuff for it get in your way. You don't particularly sound like you want help solving this problem, but I might as well ask: did you actually succeed at logging in to the SF site? Evan Daniel On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Ximin Luo xl...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I noticed that this hasn't been posted on the mailing list yet, but we have a new wiki: https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/ This may or may not be the final setup but it'll do for now - mediawiki is common so can be backed-up and migrated to a different installation if necessary. SF hosting is a bit slow. If anyone has time, please help to migrate the content from the old wiki over to this new one. You need a SF account. Also at the moment there's some issues with default users being unable to edit. toad, evanbd, and I have admin privs on it, so just give a shout (IRC probably quickest) and we'll give you access. X ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: i...@sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote: You know, you could have brought this up when we were discussing moving the wiki. No I couldn't, because at the time I didn't know that their wiki hosting was so badly designed because I hadn't personally tried it. Or you could suggest an alternative Mediawiki host; I could, except I'm not familiar with Mediawiki nor the hosting options for it - I took people's word for it that it would be an improvement on what we have now. you shouldn't have much trouble moving the wiki, since SF provides convenient backups / exports. I don't think anyone is particularly committed to SF, we were just tired of standing around bitching instead of actually working on it. If you want to wait around for the perfect solution to the wiki hosting problem to appear, don't let those of us working on writing stuff for it get in your way. Can't we discuss the fact that the proposed new wiki appears to be unusable, without you getting mad at me? Its not my fault that SF's usability sucks. You don't particularly sound like you want help solving this problem, but I might as well ask: did you actually succeed at logging in to the SF site? I'm not really concerned about myself, I'm more concerned about that fact that the new wiki appears unviewable (since I assume I'm not the only person having problems with it). As it stands, an unviewable wiki is far worse than what we already have at wiki.freenetproject.org. Tell me I'm wrong, but don't get mad at me simply for making an observation. Ian. -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: i...@sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Yet more Windows install failures
Matthew Toseland skrev: One theory for this is that icacls.exe is 64-bit on win64 and therefore isn't a valid win32 app when called from 32-bit wrapper or AHK code. However, why do we need to call icacls.exe at all in the new installer, given that we don't create a user? And even if it fails, so what, why should that break anything else? Yes, that is most likely the reason. IIRC NetworkService (the user account we now use) doesn't by default have read-write access to our files. Can someone verify on XP/Vista/Win7? If icacls fails, the installer will continue anyway. However, since the node didn't work, chances are that we did indeed need to apply the permissions. Another theory is that there is difficulty in detecting the JVM on win64. One solution is to let it pick it up from the registry, see my other mail - it will only pick up the 32-bit version, but that is okay, the 64-bit version isn't autoupdated and may not be terribly reliable... However, in the below log, it was attempted to hard-code the path to the 64-bit java exe (which works for other people). I'm not so sure: [22:46:01] qwebirc20693 It only has one line: STATUS | wrapper | 2010/01/03 15:03:54 | Freenet background service installed. This means that the service installation succeeded (or at least the wrapper thinks so), but it was never attempted started. This means that the Windows start.exe fails, which the mentioned didn't respond to signal errors confirm. This means that Service_Start() in src_freenethelpers/FreenetStart.ahk fails to start the service before the 120 second timeout kicks in and throws that error. It would be interesting to know if the service actually has been created, as the wrapper claims. If it has, I need to look into why Service_Start() fails. Of course this could be caused by the lack of proper permissions because icacls failed... We should figure that out first. Thoughts? This is a blocker: Freenet must install reliably on 80% of win64 systems before releasing 0.8.0! We need a 64-bit tester then... It's kind of hard to develop something for a system you neither own nor has access to in one way or another. Also, Freenet must install reliably on Windows 7 before releasing 0.8.0. Right now the installer doesn't support it. It's true that it's not officially supported, but I've seen both successful and failed Win7 installs. Again, I need a tester before I can start tracking down bugs. - Zero3 ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
Ian Clarke wrote: Case in point, the link below takes me to a login page, where I'm asked for an OpenID account, which I obediently provide, but no-matter what I do, nothing I try seems to take me to the wiki. Whoops, you can access the wiki without having to log on by using http:// instead of https:// http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/ X ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ian Clarke i...@locut.us wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote: You know, you could have brought this up when we were discussing moving the wiki. No I couldn't, because at the time I didn't know that their wiki hosting was so badly designed because I hadn't personally tried it. You could have tried it at the time. SF allows users (not just projects) to set up copies of any of their hosted apps. It's quite easy; it literally took longer for me to find my old login and password info than to set up a copy of MediaWiki. Or you could suggest an alternative Mediawiki host; I could, except I'm not familiar with Mediawiki nor the hosting options for it - I took people's word for it that it would be an improvement on what we have now. From a usability standpoint, it's a *vast* improvement. The big features it adds, for me, are viable spam management, categories, templates, and markup that most of our potential authors already know. you shouldn't have much trouble moving the wiki, since SF provides convenient backups / exports. I don't think anyone is particularly committed to SF, we were just tired of standing around bitching instead of actually working on it. If you want to wait around for the perfect solution to the wiki hosting problem to appear, don't let those of us working on writing stuff for it get in your way. Can't we discuss the fact that the proposed new wiki appears to be unusable, without you getting mad at me? Its not my fault that SF's usability sucks. Sure. For starters, it does not appear unusable to me. It's a little slow, and there are some odd default permissions that I'm not yet sure how to correct, but I still find it to be an improvement. There are two independent issues, here: converting to MediaWiki, and hosting the wiki. I got tired of waiting on the latter to start on the former. I'm serious about moving the wiki: it should be easy, and I would have no objections. You don't particularly sound like you want help solving this problem, but I might as well ask: did you actually succeed at logging in to the SF site? I'm not really concerned about myself, I'm more concerned about that fact that the new wiki appears unviewable (since I assume I'm not the only person having problems with it). As it stands, an unviewable wiki is far worse than what we already have at wiki.freenetproject.org. Tell me I'm wrong, but don't get mad at me simply for making an observation. I'm not telling you you're wrong; I'm sure you really did have trouble logging in. A simple observation would have been something along the lines of My OpenID login doesn't work; this makes the wiki unviewable for me, which is obviously bad. Your post was not that. And so far, this is the first I've heard about your problem. Can you log in to SF at all, or is it just a wiki problem? Have you followed the steps bback suggested? What I got mad about was that you were complaining about a solution to a problem (the current wiki being badly organized, spammed, and basically unmaintained), without offering anything that could remotely be construed as a constructive suggestion. IMHO the wiki migration is not the first case where Freenet work has stalled waiting for a consensus that will not appear about some decision. Attacking proposed solutions, especially ones people are already working on, is a way to make that happen more often, not less. Frequently, an imperfect decision is better than no decision, and in many cases (including this one), fixing that decision later is easy enough and doesn't even waste the interim work. I view the wiki migration process in the context of WP:BOLD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold ); rather than spending a lot of time figuring out how to best solve the problem, infinity0 and I simply started solving it. Evan Daniel ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Ximin Luo xl...@cam.ac.uk wrote: Ian Clarke wrote: Case in point, the link below takes me to a login page, where I'm asked for an OpenID account, which I obediently provide, but no-matter what I do, nothing I try seems to take me to the wiki. Whoops, you can access the wiki without having to log on by using http:// instead of https:// http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/freenet/ Ok, this worked - thanks. Ian. -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: i...@sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote: There are two independent issues, here: converting to MediaWiki, and hosting the wiki. I got tired of waiting on the latter to start on the former. I'm serious about moving the wiki: it should be easy, and I would have no objections. Well, the obvious thing would be to host it on Emu, I was under the vague impression that this was the plan but I must confess that I wasn't paying close attention to that discussion. I'm not telling you you're wrong; I'm sure you really did have trouble logging in. A simple observation would have been something along the lines of My OpenID login doesn't work; this makes the wiki unviewable for me, which is obviously bad. Your post was not that. And so far, this is the first I've heard about your problem. Can you log in to SF at all, or is it just a wiki problem? Have you followed the steps bback suggested? It seems that the problem was caused by the 'https' URL, rather than 'http'. It still demonstrates poor website design on the part of sourceforge though. What I got mad about was that you were complaining about a solution to a problem (the current wiki being badly organized, spammed, and basically unmaintained), without offering anything that could remotely be construed as a constructive suggestion. It is entirely legitimate to report a problem without necessarily having the solution. Would you prefer that people only report the bugs that they themselves know how to fix? You'll find that few projects operate that way, and with good reason. Pointing out a problem is a useful act, even if its not accompanied by a solution to the problem. IMHO the wiki migration is not the first case where Freenet work has stalled waiting for a consensus that will not appear about some decision. I agree, it is far better just to go and do it, if you wait for permission from everyone it will never happen. Attacking proposed solutions, especially ones people are already working on, is a way to make that happen more often, not less. I'm not attacking anything or anyone, I was pointing out a problem. Reporting bugs is helpful, its not attacking anything. This is why we ask users to report bugs, not yell at them for it. Frequently, an imperfect decision is better than no decision I agree, but its not attacking to point out those imperfections so that they can be corrected. rather than spending a lot of time figuring out how to best solve the problem, infinity0 and I simply started solving it. And I'm glad you did, I really think you are overreacting here - all I did was report a problem (while expressing some frustration with sourceforge who really should have learned how to build a usable website by now, they've been around long enough). Perhaps you felt that my frustration was directed at you rather than sourceforge, this was not my intention. Ian. -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: i...@sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
Ian Clarke skrev: Well, the obvious thing would be to host it on Emu, I was under the vague impression that this was the plan but I must confess that I wasn't paying close attention to that discussion. FYI: One of the main reason we are switching is that we are trying to get rid of Emu to save the cost and maintenance. - Zero3 ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Christian Funder Sommerlund (Zero3) li...@zero3.dk wrote: Ian Clarke skrev: Well, the obvious thing would be to host it on Emu, I was under the vague impression that this was the plan but I must confess that I wasn't paying close attention to that discussion. FYI: One of the main reason we are switching is that we are trying to get rid of Emu to save the cost and maintenance. Right, but realistically I don't think that is going to happen any time soon, given how long we've been talking about it and how little progress has been made. Ian. -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: i...@sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
We again exchanged 11 mails about a finished task :) And you took the opportunity to flame against sf.net because Ximin accidentally provided the https link, which was surely not intended by the sf.net guys. But hey, I should not have written this now, its the 12th mail ;) On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 18:29, Ian Clarke i...@locut.us wrote: Right, but realistically I don't think that is going to happen any time soon, given how long we've been talking about it and how little progress has been made. -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
Ian Clarke skrev: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Christian Funder Sommerlund (Zero3) li...@zero3.dk mailto:li...@zero3.dk wrote: Ian Clarke skrev: Well, the obvious thing would be to host it on Emu, I was under the vague impression that this was the plan but I must confess that I wasn't paying close attention to that discussion. FYI: One of the main reason we are switching is that we are trying to get rid of Emu to save the cost and maintenance. Right, but realistically I don't think that is going to happen any time soon, given how long we've been talking about it and how little progress has been made. It certainly won't happen until we move things like the wiki and bugtracker off Emu, no ;). (My two eurocents are that Mediawiki and SF are not the optimal solutions, but a far better one than doing nothing and holding back our overall hosting roadmap. So if this is the choice made, I will support it and do my part in getting the best out of it.) - Zero3 ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] New wiki
how long we've been talking about it not the optimal solutions something a friend linked me a while ago. i think it expresses the theme quite well. :p http://upload.cetafurs.com/scaling.png X P.S. if you like the pic, save it - apparently The server owner clears that stuff out from time to time ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
[freenet-dev] Cannot edit sourceforge wiki
Hello. It seems that I cannot edit the new sourceforge wiki... Is there a way to let public and/or sourceforge members access by default? (I see that there is a group editor to allow people to edit, but that seems to be a PITA) Thanks. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
[freenet-dev] Problem generating the website on archlinux
Hi, I switched from gentoo to arch, but then I wanted to translate the website into french, but couldn't generate it anymore. I don't understand why, since I do have php-cgi installed. Is there any other prerequisites ? Regards, Dieppe ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Cannot edit sourceforge wiki
Shoey Fighter wrote: Is there a way to let public and/or sourceforge members access by default? (I see that there is a group editor to allow people to edit, but that seems to be a PITA) toad is going to look into that; it involves editing the PHP config file directly, which only he has access to. In the meantime, I've given editor to the following: * Caco patane (Created on 4 January 2010 at 14:41) * Carlroth (Created on 4 January 2010 at 17:39) * Dieppe (Created on 4 January 2010 at 17:42) * Droden (Created on 4 January 2010 at 21:41) * Sdiz (Created on 4 January 2010 at 15:47) * Shoeyfighter (Created on 4 January 2010 at 19:16) * Tribeca23 (Created on 4 January 2010 at 15:45) I assume all of those are people from here; the accounts were all created after I sent around the first email. X ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Cannot edit sourceforge wiki
On Monday 04 January 2010 22:48:35 Ximin Luo wrote: In the meantime, I've given editor to the following: * Droden (Created on 4 January 2010 at 21:41) I assume all of those are people from here; the accounts were all created after I sent around the first email. Yes, that one is me, thanks. David signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
[freenet-dev] Moving the french wiki to sourceforge?
Hello, Since the official english wiki is being moved to sourceforge, can we also put the french wiki there too? It's already on mediawiki, so it should be pretty straightforward (?). Regards, Dieppe ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Moving the french wiki to sourceforge?
2010/1/4 Clément Vollet cvol...@gmail.com Since the official english wiki is being moved to sourceforge, can we also put the french wiki there too? It's already on mediawiki, so it should be pretty straightforward (?). You may want to wait a bit, as its possible we'll be migrating elsewhere, perhaps to emu (our own server). If so, you'll be welcome to migrate the french version there too. Ian. -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: i...@sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Moving the french wiki to sourceforge?
Le Mardi 05 Janvier 2010 02:35:19, Ian Clarke a écrit : 2010/1/4 Clément Vollet cvol...@gmail.com Since the official english wiki is being moved to sourceforge, can we also put the french wiki there too? It's already on mediawiki, so it should be pretty straightforward (?). You may want to wait a bit, as its possible we'll be migrating elsewhere, perhaps to emu (our own server). If so, you'll be welcome to migrate the french version there too. AFAIK, it's already on emu (the url is htpp://doc-fr.freenetproject.org). But clearly, if SF is not the definitive solution, there's no point migrating now. Ian. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Problem generating the website on archlinux
Le Lundi 04 Janvier 2010 21:07:00, Clément Vollet a écrit : Hi, I switched from gentoo to arch, but then I wanted to translate the website into french, but couldn't generate it anymore. I don't understand why, since I do have php-cgi installed. Is there any other prerequisites ? Regards, Dieppe Nevermind, I found the problem : it needs ?php instead of just ? in make-static-pages.sh. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
[freenet-dev] Old pages in the website directory
Hello, While I was translating some pages into french, I noticed that a lot of pages seem to be unused. Maybe we should move them to another folder? It would help for the translation (which file do we need to translate), and it's also just clearer. Regards, Dieppe ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
