Re: [freenet-dev] Website Redesign Pre-pre-alpha
Hey Everyone, I'll be posting the website for feedback tomorrow. I seem to constantly find new things to fix, but I could probably nit-pick forever, I need everyone's help catching the big things I haven't noticed. There are two things that are near-show-stoppers I intend to fix tomorrow afternoon. I'd like to also create and/or link to a google plus freenet page. I found this: https://plus.google.com/communities/107006765679470608749 I think it's worth having something. I'll be removing the pinterest and instagram social media links unless somebody thinks we should have a presence there too. The difference from twitter, google+ and facebook are that we incidentally generate content to put on those sites (news items can be copied and pasted and/or linked to), the more image-oriented social media would take extra effort (that I don't believe would be worth while). Thanks, Dan On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Ian Clarke wrote: > Thanks for the update and your hard work on this! > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 9:42 PM Dan Roberts wrote: > >> Just a quick update. I ran into an issue that cost me a lot of time. >> Frustratingly it was something I removed when I first uploaded to github. >> I've found that trivial issues cause difficult to trace errors in pelican. >> >> I'm still moving forward, but I did have this setback. I have a three day >> weekend so I'll be pushing very hard through Monday to get everything in >> order. Ideally I'll seek feedback Saturday and/or Sunday and prepare for >> release Monday, this last 20% has been rough but the end is in sight. >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >> On Feb 9, 2017 6:15 PM, "Dan Roberts" wrote: >> >> Hey Ian, >> I didn't have a whole lot of time last weekend but I've been >> squeezing in time during the week as my week permitted... I'm planning to >> set aside most of this weekend to work on it though, I should be able to >> address all of the known issues during that time, so we're getting very >> close. >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Ian Clarke wrote: >> >> Hey Dan, >> >> How are things going with the new website? Are we close to going live >> with it? >> >> Ian. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 1:19 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide arne_...@web.de >> wrote: >> >> >> Ian Clarke writes: >> >> >> > On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 5:34 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide arne_...@web.de >> wrote:A >> >> >> More importantly: However they are shown: We are lacking screenshots. >> >> > We should only include screenshots if they don't detract from the clean >> design. >> >> >> Do people install programs nowadays when they don’t get a screenshot? (a >> >> few years ago, missing screenshots were the easiest way to loose most >> >> visitors). >> >> >> >> Leap over censorship >> >> >> Escape total surveillance >> >> > I was never a big fan of this tagline, it's a somewhat tortured pun. >> When did >> >> > we get rid of the Mike Godwin quote? >> >> >> I don’t know why we did that, but I always disagreed with removing it. >> >> >> My point is: We need a strong tagline. >> >> >> > > “After running the Tor services for years it was a big relief to just >> >> > > shut down the services for good and say ’fuck it’. I never again >> >> > > had to worry no more about security. With Freenet I am Free, it >> >> > > suites the name pretty well if you ask me.” >> >> > > — Unkwon >> >> > >> >> > I don't think we should have swear-words on the site, definitely not on >> the >> >> > front page. It would look immature. >> >> >> Steve said that, too, and I agree with you both. We can simply remove >> >> that part of the quote. >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Arne >> >> -- >> >> Unpolitisch sein >> >> heißt politisch sein >> >> ohne es zu merken >> >> ___ >> >> Devl mailing list >> >> Devl@freenetproject.org >> >> https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl >> >> >> >> Ian Clarke >> Stacks - Our AI will save your money >> http://trystacks.com/ >> >> >> >> -- > Stacks > http://trystacks.com/ - Our AI will save you money > ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
Florent Daigniere writes: > @devl is the smallest list we still operate. > > freenetproject:/var/backups/mailman# wc -l *members|sort -rg > 4441 total > 2581 announce.members > 452 support.members > 354 devl.members > 309 tech.members > 293 chat.members > 248 darknet-tools.members > 64 freemail.members > 53 cvs.members > 20 wot.members > 18 pyfreenet.members > 16 thaw.members > 12 rubyfreenet.members > 11 iansblog.members > 10 cppfcplib.members > 0 revver-dev.members > 0 mailman.members > > We are looking at replacing mailman, not just re-hosting @devl here. So the actual cost is re-connecting all those subscribers? Which means, we need a solution which works for all of them? Best wishes, Arne signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
[freenet-dev] DDG Donation Roadblocks
What is stopping the funding from DuckDuckGo (received over a year ago) from being disbursed? Can we put a deadline on any further request for comments or debate, because this is getting rather unprofessional, and no further organizations or individuals will be planning to donate to us. When can we expect a proper solution to this? I propose March 15th that the money is spent, to the best of the current results of the poll and all discussion surrounding it. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 4:19 AM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: Or we could just migrate to slack (like Ian suggested ages ago). It's not like there has been any meaningful, productive, development-related discussion on this mailing list in the last few years. While I'm more familiar with Slack, https://gitter.im/ is an alternative we should consider that's used by a few open source projects. Slack may have more of a barrier to entry for users, for example the Kotlin open source project appears to require an external invite mechanism before users can access Slack - http://slack.kotlinlang.org/ However, Gitter seems to require a Github account, which might be a problem for non-developers. As for complaints about proprietary services, nothing in the goals of our project mandates that we only ever use open source tools. Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
Florent Daigniere writes: > On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:18 +0100, Florent Daigniere wrote: >> Are you seriously suggesting that "having a working fred, working FMS" >> is an acceptable requirement for accessing what will be our future >> support mailing list? > > Oh, and I forgot the obvious: it can do emails too: > https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/206819278-Send-emails-to-Slack > > If "open-source" is a requirement, it boils down to finding a reliable > hoster for one of the many clones... > > https://about.mattermost.com/pricing/ If it’s free software and we can access it as email, I don’t mind for devl. If it’s free software and we can access it as IRC, I don’t mind for #freenet (though I don’t see that as urgent, since that is not bound to our infrastructure). Best wishes, Arne -- Unpolitisch sein heißt politisch sein ohne es zu merken signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 17:44 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Florent Daigniere writes: > > > On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:02 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > You are in lalaland if you think that we can do what currently do > > with > > our mailing lists over Freenet. Almost two decades in the making, > > we've > > failed at building an ecosystem of tools people can use. > > I’m using FMS, as do many other freenet users. People can use this. > > > Are you seriously suggesting that "having a working fred, working > > FMS" > > is an acceptable requirement for accessing what will be our future > > support mailing list? > > I’m talking about our devl-list. > > @devl is the smallest list we still operate. freenetproject:/var/backups/mailman# wc -l *members|sort -rg 4441 total 2581 announce.members 452 support.members 354 devl.members 309 tech.members 293 chat.members 248 darknet-tools.members 64 freemail.members 53 cvs.members 20 wot.members 18 pyfreenet.members 16 thaw.members 12 rubyfreenet.members 11 iansblog.members 10 cppfcplib.members 0 revver-dev.members 0 mailman.members We are looking at replacing mailman, not just re-hosting @devl here. Florent signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
Florent Daigniere writes: > On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:02 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > You are in lalaland if you think that we can do what currently do with > our mailing lists over Freenet. Almost two decades in the making, we've > failed at building an ecosystem of tools people can use. I’m using FMS, as do many other freenet users. People can use this. > Are you seriously suggesting that "having a working fred, working FMS" > is an acceptable requirement for accessing what will be our future > support mailing list? I’m talking about our devl-list. Best wishes, Arne -- Unpolitisch sein heißt politisch sein ohne es zu merken signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
+1 to move the support mailing list to mattersmost, with instructions on our website how to connect via IRC, Email, XMPP, and anonymously (Tor or Freenet) +1 to move devl mailing list to FMS. Florent Daigniere: > On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:18 +0100, Florent Daigniere wrote: >> On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:02 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: >>> Florent Daigniere writes: >>> > We could also move more of our discussions to FMS. It’s code has > nowadays been checked by at least two established users, and > most > interactive development already happens over IRC. Or we could just migrate to slack (like Ian suggested ages ago). It's not like there has been any meaningful, productive, development- related discussion on this mailing list in the last few years. >>> >>> How is moving our actively used, freenode-provided IRC to >>> centralized, >> >> >> Freenode is centralized too; Slack has IRC and XMPP gateways >> https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connect-to-Slack-ov >> er-IRC-and-XMPP >> if the goal is to increase accessibility, Slack is better than IRC. >> >>> proprietary Slack comparable to moving our little used, self- >>> maintained mailing list >> >> >> We can't afford to run it anymore, that's the point... >> Slack can be archived (and indexed by search engines) just like our >> mailing lists >> http://slackarchive.io/ >> >>> to decentralized, pseudonymous, free licensed, >>> freenet-hosted FMS, which is where our active users already are? >>> >> >> >> You are in lalaland if you think that we can do what currently do with >> our mailing lists over Freenet. Almost two decades in the making, >> we've >> failed at building an ecosystem of tools people can use. >> >> Are you seriously suggesting that "having a working fred, working FMS" >> is an acceptable requirement for accessing what will be our future >> support mailing list? >> > > > Oh, and I forgot the obvious: it can do emails too: > https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/206819278-Send-emails-to-Slack > > If "open-source" is a requirement, it boils down to finding a reliable > hoster for one of the many clones... > > https://about.mattermost.com/pricing/ > > Florent > > > > ___ > Devl mailing list > Devl@freenetproject.org > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:18 +0100, Florent Daigniere wrote: > On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:02 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > Florent Daigniere writes: > > > > > > We could also move more of our discussions to FMS. It’s code has > > > > nowadays been checked by at least two established users, and > > > > most > > > > interactive development already happens over IRC. > > > > > > Or we could just migrate to slack (like Ian suggested ages ago). > > > It's > > > not like there has been any meaningful, productive, development- > > > related > > > discussion on this mailing list in the last few years. > > > > How is moving our actively used, freenode-provided IRC to > > centralized, > > > Freenode is centralized too; Slack has IRC and XMPP gateways > https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connect-to-Slack-ov > er-IRC-and-XMPP > if the goal is to increase accessibility, Slack is better than IRC. > > > proprietary Slack comparable to moving our little used, self- > > maintained mailing list > > > We can't afford to run it anymore, that's the point... > Slack can be archived (and indexed by search engines) just like our > mailing lists > http://slackarchive.io/ > > > to decentralized, pseudonymous, free licensed, > > freenet-hosted FMS, which is where our active users already are? > > > > > You are in lalaland if you think that we can do what currently do with > our mailing lists over Freenet. Almost two decades in the making, > we've > failed at building an ecosystem of tools people can use. > > Are you seriously suggesting that "having a working fred, working FMS" > is an acceptable requirement for accessing what will be our future > support mailing list? > Oh, and I forgot the obvious: it can do emails too: https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/206819278-Send-emails-to-Slack If "open-source" is a requirement, it boils down to finding a reliable hoster for one of the many clones... https://about.mattermost.com/pricing/ Florent signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:02 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Florent Daigniere writes: > > > > We could also move more of our discussions to FMS. It’s code has > > > nowadays been checked by at least two established users, and most > > > interactive development already happens over IRC. > > Or we could just migrate to slack (like Ian suggested ages ago). > > It's > > not like there has been any meaningful, productive, development- > > related > > discussion on this mailing list in the last few years. > > How is moving our actively used, freenode-provided IRC to centralized, Freenode is centralized too; Slack has IRC and XMPP gateways https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connect-to-Slack-over-IRC-and-XMPP if the goal is to increase accessibility, Slack is better than IRC. > proprietary Slack comparable to moving our little used, self- > maintained mailing list We can't afford to run it anymore, that's the point... Slack can be archived (and indexed by search engines) just like our mailing lists http://slackarchive.io/ > to decentralized, pseudonymous, free licensed, > freenet-hosted FMS, which is where our active users already are? > You are in lalaland if you think that we can do what currently do with our mailing lists over Freenet. Almost two decades in the making, we've failed at building an ecosystem of tools people can use. Are you seriously suggesting that "having a working fred, working FMS" is an acceptable requirement for accessing what will be our future support mailing list? Florent signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
Florent Daigniere writes: >> We could also move more of our discussions to FMS. It’s code has >> nowadays been checked by at least two established users, and most >> interactive development already happens over IRC. > Or we could just migrate to slack (like Ian suggested ages ago). It's > not like there has been any meaningful, productive, development-related > discussion on this mailing list in the last few years. How is moving our actively used, freenode-provided IRC to centralized, proprietary Slack comparable to moving our little used, self-maintained mailing list to decentralized, pseudonymous, free licensed, freenet-hosted FMS, which is where our active users already are? Best wishes, Arne signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 10:27 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > x...@freenetproject.org writes: > > That is unfortunately something our privacy-focused users will > > certainly not > > accept :| > > We could also move more of our discussions to FMS. It’s code has > nowadays been checked by at least two established users, and most > interactive development already happens over IRC. > > Most of the things we discuss in the ML could easily be discussed in > FMS > instead. > > The mailing lists are important to allow external people to contact us > and to provide announcements. > > The main thing missing is reliable automatic archival. We’d have to > rely > on something like the FMS archive — and that means we’d need several > people running that. Also we could not just host such an archive > publicly (or we’d need to filter it to only include known Freenet > developers). > > Best wishes, > Arne > Or we could just migrate to slack (like Ian suggested ages ago). It's not like there has been any meaningful, productive, development-related discussion on this mailing list in the last few years. Florent signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
[snip.] > > I'd really like us to use AWS for as much as possible re: > > hosting. It has a I'd really like us to use AWS for as much as possible re: hosting. It has a > > lot of benefits, one of which is powerful multi-user support. > > Well I really don't care where we host as long as it provides what we > need :) > > I'd like to evaluate that for AWS, but as said to be able to do so > please tell us which package we'd be using. Thanks! > That's not how it's going to work. I don't need you to make more requirements up on the way (like preserving the wiki's links)... Explain and formalise the requirements and let whoever does the sysadmin (currently yours truely) find the right solution; then you can contribute to the process and point out which of the requirements are not fulfilled by the solution picked. Not the other way around. Alternatively, takeover the sysadmin duties over too. Florent signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] 5 weeks till our SSL certificate expires
On Fri, 2017-02-24 at 18:40 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Dan Roberts writes: > > The website is fully static and should be fine with s3 + cloudflare. > > Do we actually need cloudflare for the hosting? Cloudflare doesn't provide hosting. > Would it be simpler without cloudflare? (according to stackoverflow > S3 should support SSL). > S3 doesn't support SSL with custom domains, for that you need to use cloudfront... Which we will probably do if we pick S3 for hosting. The real question is whether we want: - github-pages + cloudflare (free, not SSL-all-the-way) - S3 + cloudfront (paid for but affordable) It's not just "hosting", it's also "who will take care of the DNS", "who will run the CI", ... I will have a stab at putting a PoC together this week-end. You can already see "cloudflare+github at http://javadoc.freenetproject.org/ " Florent signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] MessageAuthCodeTest fails with the latest version of bcprov-jdk15on
On Fri, 2017-02-24 at 15:56 +0200, Rostislav Krasny wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I made a local Maven fork of the Freenet Fred project.
Good luck with that. The plan is to use gradle going forward (have a
look to what's on the branch called "next").
> One of my maven
> dependencies is:
>
>
> org.bouncycastle
> bcprov-jdk15on
> 1.56
>
>
> With this bcprov-jdk15on version most of the tests in the
> MessageAuthCodeTest class fail because of
> IllegalArgumentException("Invalid format for r portion of Poly1305
> key."). The reason is some bug fix in the bcprov-jdk15on itself,
> related to "compliance with RFC7539". Take a look at their bug fix
> commit:
>
> https://github.com/bcgit/bc-java/commit/9d0edfbede2bc877257fdf704b8373
> 15de2708ec
>
> They changed the Poly1305 key bit numbers they check in the
> Poly1305KeyGenerator class.
>
> If I continue to use the fixed bcprov-jdk15on version will it have any
> negative impact to the Freenet functionality or only to the
> MessageAuthCodeTest tests?
We are currently not using Poly1305 anywhere.
> Will you upgrade your bcprov-jdk15on to the
> latest version?
>
Eventually, yes.
Florent
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Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki
x...@freenetproject.org writes: > That is unfortunately something our privacy-focused users will certainly not > accept :| We could also move more of our discussions to FMS. It’s code has nowadays been checked by at least two established users, and most interactive development already happens over IRC. Most of the things we discuss in the ML could easily be discussed in FMS instead. The mailing lists are important to allow external people to contact us and to provide announcements. The main thing missing is reliable automatic archival. We’d have to rely on something like the FMS archive — and that means we’d need several people running that. Also we could not just host such an archive publicly (or we’d need to filter it to only include known Freenet developers). Best wishes, Arne signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
