Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
Great Dan! Could you get it up somewhere to get feedback, and perhaps a Google Doc or something similar for people to report any issues? On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 9:38 AM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: The front page is working, with a small number of known issues that I think have solutions for. The content pages (about, download) need a bit more work. I'll try to get the current state into github during the week, I expect at least one more revision after that. Thanks,Dan On Jan 3, 2017 8:45 PM, "Dan Roberts" wrote: Hey Ian, I didn't end up with as much time as I'd hoped/expected, but one of my experiments is promising. I'm working on turning it into a first (pelican) iteration of the site. I'd like to have it ready Saturday to polish over this coming weekend. Thanks,Dan On Jan 2, 2017 8:19 AM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: Thanks Dan, were you able to make the progressed you had hoped for? Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 4:34 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately I didn't find much time between work and three different sets of family, but I believe I can carve out time this weekend. I expect a very low key new years. I have a prospective solution to my biggest pelican concern that I'm very happy with, I'll try to update again this weekend. Thanks,Dan On Dec 25, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers. Thanks,Dan On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died. Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed? Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a > requirement. I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!); I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project. This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it. "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL. Of course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so it is findable. The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. My inclination is to get the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be much easier with a simplified website). I think with a website that looks really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to improve it. From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site. Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
The front page is working, with a small number of known issues that I think have solutions for. The content pages (about, download) need a bit more work. I'll try to get the current state into github during the week, I expect at least one more revision after that. Thanks, Dan On Jan 3, 2017 8:45 PM, "Dan Roberts" wrote: > Hey Ian, > I didn't end up with as much time as I'd hoped/expected, but one of my > experiments is promising. I'm working on turning it into a first (pelican) > iteration of the site. I'd like to have it ready Saturday to polish over > this coming weekend. > > Thanks, > Dan > > On Jan 2, 2017 8:19 AM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: > >> Thanks Dan, were you able to make the progressed you had hoped for? >> >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 4:34 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Unfortunately I didn't find much time between work and three different >>> sets of family, but I believe I can carve out time this weekend. I expect a >>> very low key new years. I have a prospective solution to my biggest pelican >>> concern that I'm very happy with, I'll try to update again this weekend. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dan >>> >>> On Dec 25, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas. >>> >>> Ian Clarke >>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we >>> need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my >>> initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dan >>> >>> On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: >>> >>> Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died. >>> >>> Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed? >>> >>> Ian. >>> >>> Ian Clarke >>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere >>> nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: >>> >>> > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a >>> >>> > requirement. >>> >>> >>> I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!); >>> >>> >>> I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified >>> dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those >>> interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project. >>> This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software >>> (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it. >>> >>> "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be >>> migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an >>> interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL. Of >>> course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so >>> it is findable. >>> >>> The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. My inclination is to >>> get the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will >>> be much easier with a simplified website). I think with a website that >>> looks really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute >>> to improve it. >>> >>> From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a >>> limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not >>> so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master >>> results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site. >>> >>> Ian. >>> >>> Ian Clarke >>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >>> >>> >>> >>> Ian Clarke >>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >>> >>> >>> >>> Ian Clarke >>> Founder, The Freenet Project >>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >>> >>> >> >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >> > ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
Hey Ian, I didn't end up with as much time as I'd hoped/expected, but one of my experiments is promising. I'm working on turning it into a first (pelican) iteration of the site. I'd like to have it ready Saturday to polish over this coming weekend. Thanks, Dan On Jan 2, 2017 8:19 AM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: > Thanks Dan, were you able to make the progressed you had hoped for? > > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenetproject.org > > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 4:34 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Unfortunately I didn't find much time between work and three different >> sets of family, but I believe I can carve out time this weekend. I expect a >> very low key new years. I have a prospective solution to my biggest pelican >> concern that I'm very happy with, I'll try to update again this weekend. >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >> On Dec 25, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: >> >> Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas. >> >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we >> need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my >> initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers. >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >> On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: >> >> Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died. >> >> Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed? >> >> Ian. >> >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote: >> >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere >> nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: >> >> On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: >> >> > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a >> >> > requirement. >> >> >> I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!); >> >> >> I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified >> dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those >> interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project. >> This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software >> (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it. >> >> "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be >> migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an >> interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL. Of >> course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so >> it is findable. >> >> The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. My inclination is to get >> the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be >> much easier with a simplified website). I think with a website that looks >> really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to >> improve it. >> >> From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a >> limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not >> so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master >> results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site. >> >> Ian. >> >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >> >> >> >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >> >> >> >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >> >> > > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenetproject.org > ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
Thanks Dan, were you able to make the progressed you had hoped for? Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 4:34 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately I didn't find much time between work and three different sets of family, but I believe I can carve out time this weekend. I expect a very low key new years. I have a prospective solution to my biggest pelican concern that I'm very happy with, I'll try to update again this weekend. Thanks,Dan On Dec 25, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers. Thanks,Dan On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died. Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed? Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a > requirement. I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!); I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project. This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it. "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL. Of course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so it is findable. The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. My inclination is to get the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be much easier with a simplified website). I think with a website that looks really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to improve it. From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site. Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
Thanks for the update! On Fri, Dec 30, 2016, 5:34 PM Dan Roberts wrote: > Unfortunately I didn't find much time between work and three different sets > of family, but I believe I can carve out time this weekend. I expect a very > low key new years. I have a prospective solution to my biggest pelican > concern that I'm very happy with, I'll try to update again this weekend. > > Thanks, > Dan > > On Dec 25, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: > > > Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas. > > > > Ian Clarke > > Founder, The Freenet Project > > Email: i...@freenetproject.org > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >> I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we > >> need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in > my > >> initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Dan > >> > >> On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: > >> > >> Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died. > >> > >> Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed? > >> > >> Ian. > >> > >> Ian Clarke > >> Founder, The Freenet Project > >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere > >> nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: > >> > >> > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a > >> > >> > requirement. > >> > >> > >> I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!); > >> > >> > >> I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified > >> dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of > those > >> interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the > project. > >> This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source > software > >> (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it. > >> > >> "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be > >> migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an > >> interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL. Of > >> course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site > so > >> it is findable. > >> > >> The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. My inclination is to > get > >> the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be > >> much easier with a simplified website). I think with a website that > looks > >> really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to > >> improve it. > >> > >> From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a > >> limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but > not > >> so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to > master > >> results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site. > >> > >> Ian. > >> > >> Ian Clarke > >> Founder, The Freenet Project > >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org > >> > >> > >> > >> Ian Clarke > >> Founder, The Freenet Project > >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org > >> > >> > > > > Ian Clarke > > Founder, The Freenet Project > > Email: i...@freenetproject.org > > > ___ > Devl mailing list > Devl@freenetproject.org > https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
Unfortunately I didn't find much time between work and three different sets of family, but I believe I can carve out time this weekend. I expect a very low key new years. I have a prospective solution to my biggest pelican concern that I'm very happy with, I'll try to update again this weekend. Thanks, Dan On Dec 25, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: > Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas. > > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenetproject.org > > > > On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we >> need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my >> initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers. >> >> Thanks, >> Dan >> >> On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: >> >> Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died. >> >> Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed? >> >> Ian. >> >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote: >> >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere >> nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: >> >> On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: >> >> > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a >> >> > requirement. >> >> >> I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!); >> >> >> I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified >> dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those >> interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project. >> This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software >> (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it. >> >> "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be >> migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an >> interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL. Of >> course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so >> it is findable. >> >> The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. My inclination is to get >> the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be >> much easier with a simplified website). I think with a website that looks >> really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to >> improve it. >> >> From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a >> limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not >> so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master >> results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site. >> >> Ian. >> >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >> >> >> >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >> >> > > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenetproject.org > ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers. Thanks,Dan On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died. Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed? Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a > requirement. I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!); I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project. This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it. "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL. Of course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so it is findable. The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. My inclination is to get the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be much easier with a simplified website). I think with a website that looks really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to improve it. From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site. Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers. Thanks, Dan On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke" wrote: > Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died. > > Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed? > > Ian. > > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenetproject.org > > > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere >> nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: >> >> On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: >> >> > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a >> >> > requirement. >> >> >> I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!); >> >> >> I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified >> dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those >> interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project. >> This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software >> (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it. >> >> "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be >> migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an >> interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL. Of >> course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so >> it is findable. >> >> The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. My inclination is to get >> the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be >> much easier with a simplified website). I think with a website that looks >> really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to >> improve it. >> >> From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a >> limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not >> so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master >> results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site. >> >> Ian. >> >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >> > > > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenetproject.org > ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died. Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed? Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a > requirement. I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!); I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project. This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it. "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL. Of course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so it is findable. The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. My inclination is to get the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be much easier with a simplified website). I think with a website that looks really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to improve it. From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site. Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a > requirement. I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!); I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project. This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it. "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL. Of course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so it is findable. The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. My inclination is to get the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be much easier with a simplified website). I think with a website that looks really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to improve it. From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site. Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a > requirement. I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!); and even if it was, I think that you are going the wrong way about it. Transifex supports plenty of file-format and has an API https://docs.transifex.com/formats/introduction We currently use the gettext integration... but we don't have to. Florent signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 10:36 AM, Florent Daigniere > nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: > >> On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 16:11 +, Ian Clarke wrote: >> >> > Weren't we going to host on AWS? >> >> >> I don't know, that's why I am asking... >> > > Dan? I think your input is required here. > > I have suggested either hugo or pelican with AWS lambda (for a > > completely serverless, trendy infrastructure) > > OR > > using github-pages (with jekyll) and putting some CDN in front > > (cloudflare, cloudfront, whatever) > > > I have not offered to help maintain something ruby based. > > > For clarity, you're saying you would not help to set up a CDN in front of > github-pages because it is Ruby based? I assume that would be ok since > Github is administering Jekyll, not us. > Well unfortunately Jekyll on github-pages doesn't facilitate any usable gettext support that I have seen. It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a requirement. > I wish it was that simple. AWS lambda doesn't support ruby as runtime... > > so you have to ship/maintain your own... and write the glue code in any > > of the languages that are supported (java, c#, node, python). You get > > billed when your code runs... so the naive approach of doing what you've > > described above can turn out to be bloody expensive (network round-trip > > to debian mirrors, then to gem, then to bundler, ...) > > That assumes we're using AWS lambda. > > > At the end of the day, I don't care... I've said it in the past; we are > > picking the worst and most convoluted solution possible. I've been > > ignored and can live with it; just don't count on me to make it happen. > > > Well, if you're opposed to it then that's what we'll do! :) > > I don't have an axe to grind here, I'm just trying to have a discussion > the outcome of which will hopefully be a good approach. > > If Dan has built his work on Jekyll then I'm worried it might be a lot of > additional work to switch to something else like Hugo or Pelican, but > perhaps I'm wrong about that. > > Ideally I'd love to outsource our hosting to Github completely to reduce > or eliminate our devops workload, but it seems we can't do that without > compromising on i18n. > > Perhaps the best solution is to switch to Hugh or Pelican and then use AWS > lambda, assuming that can handle i18n, and assuming it won't be an > excessive amount of work to migrate from Jekyll. > > Either way, Dan's input is needed here. > I think we can probably switch to another generator with reasonable effort, but I'm not particularly qualified nor motivated to go out and evaluate a bunch of alternatives. What I was wanted to get across before is that I know exactly what must be done with Jekyll and don't really want to be the one selecting an alternative. *As best as I can tell*, Hugo has no gettext support, Pelican *may* have usable support through an existing i18n plugin, but I have not evaluated it yet. It was not my intention to reject all alternatives to Jekyll, I'm not attached to it, but I haven't wanted to (and still don't want to) lead a search for an alternative, and then redo the existing work. I never viewed automatic generation of the website to be an important requirement, and I offered to be the one to periodically run `jekyll build`, so I still consider Jekyll to be a viable way forward. However, if it really is an important requirement, based on what I've seen so far I'm willing to evaluate Pelican to see if its i18n plugin can suit our needs with reasonable effort. Ian. > > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenetproject.org > Cheers, Dan > ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 10:36 AM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 16:11 +, Ian Clarke wrote: > Weren't we going to host on AWS? I don't know, that's why I am asking... Dan? I think your input is required here. I have suggested either hugo or pelican with AWS lambda (for a completely serverless, trendy infrastructure) OR using github-pages (with jekyll) and putting some CDN in front (cloudflare, cloudfront, whatever) I have not offered to help maintain something ruby based. For clarity, you're saying you would not help to set up a CDN in front of github-pages because it is Ruby based? I assume that would be ok since Github is administering Jekyll, not us. I wish it was that simple. AWS lambda doesn't support ruby as runtime... so you have to ship/maintain your own... and write the glue code in any of the languages that are supported (java, c#, node, python). You get billed when your code runs... so the naive approach of doing what you've described above can turn out to be bloody expensive (network round-trip to debian mirrors, then to gem, then to bundler, ...) That assumes we're using AWS lambda. At the end of the day, I don't care... I've said it in the past; we are picking the worst and most convoluted solution possible. I've been ignored and can live with it; just don't count on me to make it happen. Well, if you're opposed to it then that's what we'll do! :) I don't have an axe to grind here, I'm just trying to have a discussion the outcome of which will hopefully be a good approach. If Dan has built his work on Jekyll then I'm worried it might be a lot of additional work to switch to something else like Hugo or Pelican, but perhaps I'm wrong about that. Ideally I'd love to outsource our hosting to Github completely to reduce or eliminate our devops workload, but it seems we can't do that without compromising on i18n. Perhaps the best solution is to switch to Hugh or Pelican and then use AWS lambda, assuming that can handle i18n, and assuming it won't be an excessive amount of work to migrate from Jekyll. Either way, Dan's input is needed here. Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 16:11 +, Ian Clarke wrote: > Weren't we going to host on AWS? I don't know, that's why I am asking... I have suggested either hugo or pelican with AWS lambda (for a completely serverless, trendy infrastructure) OR using github-pages (with jekyll) and putting some CDN in front (cloudflare, cloudfront, whatever) I have not offered to help maintain something ruby based. > What is the problem with maintaining a Ruby stack exactly? Isn't it > just a question of installing whatever is required for Jekyll and > perhaps upgrading it once in a blue moon? Isn't it just a question > of: > $ sudo apt get install rubygems$ gem install jekyll bundler > And then periodically upgrading? > I wish it was that simple. AWS lambda doesn't support ruby as runtime... so you have to ship/maintain your own... and write the glue code in any of the languages that are supported (java, c#, node, python). You get billed when your code runs... so the naive approach of doing what you've described above can turn out to be bloody expensive (network round-trip to debian mirrors, then to gem, then to bundler, ...) At the end of the day, I don't care... I've said it in the past; we are picking the worst and most convoluted solution possible. I've been ignored and can live with it; just don't count on me to make it happen. Florent > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:23 AM, Florent Daigniere nextgens@freenetprojec > t.org > wrote: > So what is the plan for hosting if github pages can't do it? > > > > > As I wrote before, expecting release managers to maintain a ruby stack > > (on top of the existing java/python one) is a no-go. > > > > > Florent > > > > > On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 01:27 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Status update. The simple jekyll plugin I wrote works, with a > > couple of known issues. It will allow us to use our existing > > transifex > > translations unmodified (something I don't think we were going to > > get > > out-of-the-box anywhere). It depends on the ruby gettext gem. The > > site > > still needs some massaging to match the transifex strings, but you > > can > > see the translation work for parts of /about.de/ which is > > automatically generated by the plugin. For each locales/${LOCALE}.po > > there will be a ${PAGE}.${LOCALE} file generated. > > > > Tomorrow (saturday 12-17) I'm going to fix the known issues with the > > plugin, and QA the translation tags to ensure our translation keys > > match what is already translated (I may consider automating it using > > the existing site generator, we'll see how obnoxious it gets). I'll > > also be implementing a language selector UI. > > > > The source code is at https://github.com/Ademan-laptop/freenet-websi > > te > > -redesign though beware the history is ugly, I will be cleaning it > > at > > some point, but I wanted to be sure to update before the weekend. > > Obviously with the plugin dependency it is no longer viewable on > > github. > > > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Dan Roberts > > wrote: > > > I gave a few updates on IRC but I apologize for not updating the > > > ML, > > > I didn't foresee how long I would be stalled. I've had some > > > personal > > > issues going on which ate not only my weekends but several work > > > days > > > of both last week and this week. I don't expect to lose any more > > > time from the aforementioned issues but it's not impossible. > > > > > > I intend to finish the Jekyll plugin this afternoon so that we can > > > use existing translations, the proof of concept from the other > > > weekend worked well. After that we can stand it up somewhere for > > > QA. > > > I do need to add a language selector, that is not present in the > > > design we bought so I'll use my best judgement and we'll move it > > > later. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dan > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ian Clarke > > rg > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Florent Daigniere > > > en > > > > etproject.org> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > > > > Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're > > > > > still > > > > > > stuck with the old website. > > > > > > What's the current status of getting the new site up? > > > > > > > > > > I can't make any progress until there is something to > > > > > deploy... > > > > > I > > > > > haven't heard from Dan. > > > > > > > > That's worrying... > > > > > > > > > > If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to > > > > > > make > > > > > this > > > > > > happen (we've already invested in getting the original > > > > > > design > > > > > done, > > > > > > and yet we've received no benefit from it yet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which > > > > > I > > > > > haven't > > > > > seen any plan). > > > > > > > > We start by categorizing our different audiences,
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
Weren't we going to host on AWS? What is the problem with maintaining a Ruby stack exactly? Isn't it just a question of installing whatever is required for Jekyll and perhaps upgrading it once in a blue moon? Isn't it just a question of: $ sudo apt get install rubygems$ gem install jekyll bundler And then periodically upgrading? Ian. On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:23 AM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: So what is the plan for hosting if github pages can't do it? As I wrote before, expecting release managers to maintain a ruby stack (on top of the existing java/python one) is a no-go. Florent On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 01:27 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Status update. The simple jekyll plugin I wrote works, with a > couple of known issues. It will allow us to use our existing transifex > translations unmodified (something I don't think we were going to get > out-of-the-box anywhere). It depends on the ruby gettext gem. The site > still needs some massaging to match the transifex strings, but you can > see the translation work for parts of /about.de/ which is > automatically generated by the plugin. For each locales/${LOCALE}.po > there will be a ${PAGE}.${LOCALE} file generated. > > Tomorrow (saturday 12-17) I'm going to fix the known issues with the > plugin, and QA the translation tags to ensure our translation keys > match what is already translated (I may consider automating it using > the existing site generator, we'll see how obnoxious it gets). I'll > also be implementing a language selector UI. > > The source code is at https://github.com/Ademan-laptop/freenet-website > -redesign though beware the history is ugly, I will be cleaning it at > some point, but I wanted to be sure to update before the weekend. > Obviously with the plugin dependency it is no longer viewable on > github. > > Thanks, > Dan > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Dan Roberts > wrote: > > I gave a few updates on IRC but I apologize for not updating the ML, > > I didn't foresee how long I would be stalled. I've had some personal > > issues going on which ate not only my weekends but several work days > > of both last week and this week. I don't expect to lose any more > > time from the aforementioned issues but it's not impossible. > > > > I intend to finish the Jekyll plugin this afternoon so that we can > > use existing translations, the proof of concept from the other > > weekend worked well. After that we can stand it up somewhere for QA. > > I do need to add a language selector, that is not present in the > > design we bought so I'll use my best judgement and we'll move it > > later. > > > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ian Clarke > > wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Florent Daigniere > > etproject.org> wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > > > Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're > > > > still > > > > > stuck with the old website. > > > > > What's the current status of getting the new site up? > > > > > > > > I can't make any progress until there is something to deploy... > > > > I > > > > haven't heard from Dan. > > > > > > That's worrying... > > > > > > > > If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make > > > > this > > > > > happen (we've already invested in getting the original design > > > > done, > > > > > and yet we've received no benefit from it yet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which I > > > > haven't > > > > seen any plan). > > > > > > We start by categorizing our different audiences, I think this has > > > been discussed. Users, donors, and developers are the major > > > categories IIRC. IMHO the website should focus on the first two, > > > and this will probably require a limited amount of content. For > > > developers a companion wiki is probably the best approach. > > > > > > Ian. > > > > > > -- > > > Ian Clarke > > > Founder, The Freenet Project > > > Email: i...@freenetproject.org > > > > > > > > > ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
So what is the plan for hosting if github pages can't do it? As I wrote before, expecting release managers to maintain a ruby stack (on top of the existing java/python one) is a no-go. Florent On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 01:27 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Status update. The simple jekyll plugin I wrote works, with a > couple of known issues. It will allow us to use our existing transifex > translations unmodified (something I don't think we were going to get > out-of-the-box anywhere). It depends on the ruby gettext gem. The site > still needs some massaging to match the transifex strings, but you can > see the translation work for parts of /about.de/ which is > automatically generated by the plugin. For each locales/${LOCALE}.po > there will be a ${PAGE}.${LOCALE} file generated. > > Tomorrow (saturday 12-17) I'm going to fix the known issues with the > plugin, and QA the translation tags to ensure our translation keys > match what is already translated (I may consider automating it using > the existing site generator, we'll see how obnoxious it gets). I'll > also be implementing a language selector UI. > > The source code is at https://github.com/Ademan-laptop/freenet-website > -redesign though beware the history is ugly, I will be cleaning it at > some point, but I wanted to be sure to update before the weekend. > Obviously with the plugin dependency it is no longer viewable on > github. > > Thanks, > Dan > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Dan Roberts > wrote: > > I gave a few updates on IRC but I apologize for not updating the ML, > > I didn't foresee how long I would be stalled. I've had some personal > > issues going on which ate not only my weekends but several work days > > of both last week and this week. I don't expect to lose any more > > time from the aforementioned issues but it's not impossible. > > > > I intend to finish the Jekyll plugin this afternoon so that we can > > use existing translations, the proof of concept from the other > > weekend worked well. After that we can stand it up somewhere for QA. > > I do need to add a language selector, that is not present in the > > design we bought so I'll use my best judgement and we'll move it > > later. > > > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ian Clarke > > wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Florent Daigniere > > etproject.org> wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > > > Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're > > > > still > > > > > stuck with the old website. > > > > > What's the current status of getting the new site up? > > > > > > > > I can't make any progress until there is something to deploy... > > > > I > > > > haven't heard from Dan. > > > > > > That's worrying... > > > > > > > > If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make > > > > this > > > > > happen (we've already invested in getting the original design > > > > done, > > > > > and yet we've received no benefit from it yet). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which I > > > > haven't > > > > seen any plan). > > > > > > We start by categorizing our different audiences, I think this has > > > been discussed. Users, donors, and developers are the major > > > categories IIRC. IMHO the website should focus on the first two, > > > and this will probably require a limited amount of content. For > > > developers a companion wiki is probably the best approach. > > > > > > Ian. > > > > > > -- > > > Ian Clarke > > > Founder, The Freenet Project > > > Email: i...@freenetproject.org > > > > > > > > > signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
Hi Folks, Status update. The simple jekyll plugin I wrote works, with a couple of known issues. It will allow us to use our existing transifex translations unmodified (something I don't think we were going to get out-of-the-box anywhere). It depends on the ruby gettext gem. The site still needs some massaging to match the transifex strings, but you can see the translation work for parts of /about.de/ which is automatically generated by the plugin. For each locales/${LOCALE}.po there will be a ${PAGE}.${LOCALE} file generated. Tomorrow (saturday 12-17) I'm going to fix the known issues with the plugin, and QA the translation tags to ensure our translation keys match what is already translated (I may consider automating it using the existing site generator, we'll see how obnoxious it gets). I'll also be implementing a language selector UI. The source code is at https://github.com/Ademan-laptop/freenet-website-redesign though beware the history is ugly, I will be cleaning it at some point, but I wanted to be sure to update before the weekend. Obviously with the plugin dependency it is no longer viewable on github. Thanks, Dan On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Dan Roberts wrote: > I gave a few updates on IRC but I apologize for not updating the ML, I > didn't foresee how long I would be stalled. I've had some personal issues > going on which ate not only my weekends but several work days of both last > week and this week. I don't expect to lose any more time from the > aforementioned issues but it's not impossible. > > I intend to finish the Jekyll plugin this afternoon so that we can use > existing translations, the proof of concept from the other weekend worked > well. After that we can stand it up somewhere for QA. I do need to add a > language selector, that is not present in the design we bought so I'll use > my best judgement and we'll move it later. > > Thanks, > Dan > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ian Clarke > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Florent Daigniere < >> nextg...@freenetproject.org> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote: >>> > Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're still >>> > stuck with the old website. >>> > What's the current status of getting the new site up? >>> >>> I can't make any progress until there is something to deploy... I >>> haven't heard from Dan. >>> >> >> That's worrying... >> >> >>> > If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make this >>> > happen (we've already invested in getting the original design done, >>> > and yet we've received no benefit from it yet). >>> > >>> >>> Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which I haven't >>> seen any plan). >>> >> >> We start by categorizing our different audiences, I think this has been >> discussed. Users, donors, and developers are the major categories IIRC. >> IMHO the website should focus on the first two, and this will probably >> require a limited amount of content. For developers a companion wiki is >> probably the best approach. >> >> Ian. >> >> -- >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org >> > > ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
I gave a few updates on IRC but I apologize for not updating the ML, I didn't foresee how long I would be stalled. I've had some personal issues going on which ate not only my weekends but several work days of both last week and this week. I don't expect to lose any more time from the aforementioned issues but it's not impossible. I intend to finish the Jekyll plugin this afternoon so that we can use existing translations, the proof of concept from the other weekend worked well. After that we can stand it up somewhere for QA. I do need to add a language selector, that is not present in the design we bought so I'll use my best judgement and we'll move it later. Thanks, Dan On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Florent Daigniere < > nextg...@freenetproject.org> wrote: > >> On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote: >> > Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're still >> > stuck with the old website. >> > What's the current status of getting the new site up? >> >> I can't make any progress until there is something to deploy... I >> haven't heard from Dan. >> > > That's worrying... > > >> > If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make this >> > happen (we've already invested in getting the original design done, >> > and yet we've received no benefit from it yet). >> > >> >> Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which I haven't >> seen any plan). >> > > We start by categorizing our different audiences, I think this has been > discussed. Users, donors, and developers are the major categories IIRC. > IMHO the website should focus on the first two, and this will probably > require a limited amount of content. For developers a companion wiki is > probably the best approach. > > Ian. > > -- > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenetproject.org > ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Florent Daigniere < nextg...@freenetproject.org> wrote: > On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote: > > Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're still > > stuck with the old website. > > What's the current status of getting the new site up? > > I can't make any progress until there is something to deploy... I > haven't heard from Dan. > That's worrying... > > If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make this > > happen (we've already invested in getting the original design done, > > and yet we've received no benefit from it yet). > > > > Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which I haven't > seen any plan). > We start by categorizing our different audiences, I think this has been discussed. Users, donors, and developers are the major categories IIRC. IMHO the website should focus on the first two, and this will probably require a limited amount of content. For developers a companion wiki is probably the best approach. Ian. -- Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote: > Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're still > stuck with the old website. > What's the current status of getting the new site up? I can't make any progress until there is something to deploy... I haven't heard from Dan. > If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make this > happen (we've already invested in getting the original design done, > and yet we've received no benefit from it yet). > Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which I haven't seen any plan). Florent signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
[freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?
Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're still stuck with the old website. What's the current status of getting the new site up? If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make this happen (we've already invested in getting the original design done, and yet we've received no benefit from it yet). Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org https://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl