Re: [freenet-dev] freenetproject.org traffic: Pretty good

2016-03-15 Thread Matthew Toseland 
On 15/03/16 12:22, charles wrote:
> On 3/14/16 1:04 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
>> On 14/03/16 09:48, Florent Daigniere wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2016-03-13 at 22:44 -0400, Steve Dougherty wrote:
 On 03/12/2016 12:40 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> hyazin...@emailn.de writes:
>
>> Have a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/freenetpr
>> oject.org
>> Looks pretty good. It's new that China is in the TOP 5 of
>> visitors splitted by origins...
> 200k visitors per month is pretty good, but we’re still stuck at
> 10k
> users. These are things we can fix, though it’s not easy to really
> get
> right.
 Actually this number is off by an order of magnitude from what our
 piwik
 [0] server log analysis lists. (Run on the server, not third party.)
 That lists closer to 30k per month, and I'm not even sure it's able
 to
 exclude bots properly because we don't log IPs.

>>> visitors != potential users != users who will successfully install !=
>>> users who might consider staying != users who will stay
>>>
>>> How many of these are running windows?
>>>
>>> We setup a 32bit JVM that will be "upgraded" to 64bit, breaking freenet
>>> in the process... This has been going on for a few months now. Fixing
>>> it is non-trivial and definitely requires a release... it won't happen
>>> until the build after the next one.
>>>
>>> Florent
>> So Oracle are properly supporting the 64-bit JVM now? Clearly this will
>> need a wrapper upgrade, and we'll have to build it ourselves...
>>
> Oracle is auto updating 32bit windows installs to 64bit. I've tried
> building the version of wrapper in freenet-ext v29 on windows 7, but
> kept running into problems since it was designed to build on win XP. I
> have successfully built a new version of wrapper on it's own in win 7,
> but have not gotten a chance to try building with the latest version of
> freenet-ext. I also haven't gotten a chance to think about how to best
> integrate the win64 build file into freenet-ext v50. We could just move
> wrapper from "upstream source" to "mirrored source" as per the Readme,
> but not sure if that is the best option.
>
> -Charles

There shouldn't be a problem with freenet-ext.jar, we can and do ship
more up to date binaries with it?

As for the rest... good luck... :|



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Re: [freenet-dev] freenetproject.org traffic: Pretty good

2016-03-15 Thread charles 
On 3/14/16 1:04 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On 14/03/16 09:48, Florent Daigniere wrote:
>> On Sun, 2016-03-13 at 22:44 -0400, Steve Dougherty wrote:
>>> On 03/12/2016 12:40 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
 hyazin...@emailn.de writes:

> Have a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/freenetpr
> oject.org
> Looks pretty good. It's new that China is in the TOP 5 of
> visitors splitted by origins...
 200k visitors per month is pretty good, but we’re still stuck at
 10k
 users. These are things we can fix, though it’s not easy to really
 get
 right.
>>> Actually this number is off by an order of magnitude from what our
>>> piwik
>>> [0] server log analysis lists. (Run on the server, not third party.)
>>> That lists closer to 30k per month, and I'm not even sure it's able
>>> to
>>> exclude bots properly because we don't log IPs.
>>>
>> visitors != potential users != users who will successfully install !=
>> users who might consider staying != users who will stay
>>
>> How many of these are running windows?
>>
>> We setup a 32bit JVM that will be "upgraded" to 64bit, breaking freenet
>> in the process... This has been going on for a few months now. Fixing
>> it is non-trivial and definitely requires a release... it won't happen
>> until the build after the next one.
>>
>> Florent
> So Oracle are properly supporting the 64-bit JVM now? Clearly this will
> need a wrapper upgrade, and we'll have to build it ourselves...
>
Oracle is auto updating 32bit windows installs to 64bit. I've tried
building the version of wrapper in freenet-ext v29 on windows 7, but
kept running into problems since it was designed to build on win XP. I
have successfully built a new version of wrapper on it's own in win 7,
but have not gotten a chance to try building with the latest version of
freenet-ext. I also haven't gotten a chance to think about how to best
integrate the win64 build file into freenet-ext v50. We could just move
wrapper from "upstream source" to "mirrored source" as per the Readme,
but not sure if that is the best option.

-Charles



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Re: [freenet-dev] freenetproject.org traffic: Pretty good

2016-03-14 Thread Matthew Toseland 
On 14/03/16 09:48, Florent Daigniere wrote:
> On Sun, 2016-03-13 at 22:44 -0400, Steve Dougherty wrote:
>> On 03/12/2016 12:40 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
>>> hyazin...@emailn.de writes:
>>>
 Have a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/freenetpr
 oject.org
 Looks pretty good. It's new that China is in the TOP 5 of
 visitors splitted by origins...
>>> 200k visitors per month is pretty good, but we’re still stuck at
>>> 10k
>>> users. These are things we can fix, though it’s not easy to really
>>> get
>>> right.
>> Actually this number is off by an order of magnitude from what our
>> piwik
>> [0] server log analysis lists. (Run on the server, not third party.)
>> That lists closer to 30k per month, and I'm not even sure it's able
>> to
>> exclude bots properly because we don't log IPs.
>>
> visitors != potential users != users who will successfully install !=
> users who might consider staying != users who will stay
>
> How many of these are running windows?
>
> We setup a 32bit JVM that will be "upgraded" to 64bit, breaking freenet
> in the process... This has been going on for a few months now. Fixing
> it is non-trivial and definitely requires a release... it won't happen
> until the build after the next one.
>
> Florent

So Oracle are properly supporting the 64-bit JVM now? Clearly this will
need a wrapper upgrade, and we'll have to build it ourselves...



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Re: [freenet-dev] freenetproject.org traffic: Pretty good

2016-03-14 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide 

Steve Dougherty writes:

> On 03/12/2016 12:40 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
>> 
>> hyazin...@emailn.de writes:
>> 
>>> Have a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/freenetproject.org
>>> Looks pretty good. It's new that China is in the TOP 5 of visitors splitted 
>>> by origins...
>> 
>> 200k visitors per month is pretty good, but we’re still stuck at 10k
>> users. These are things we can fix, though it’s not easy to really get
>> right.
>
> Actually this number is off by an order of magnitude from what our piwik
> [0] server log analysis lists. (Run on the server, not third party.)
> That lists closer to 30k per month, and I'm not even sure it's able to
> exclude bots properly because we don't log IPs.

hm, ok. Direct log-file analysis should be pretty accurate (SSL should
exclude proxy-servers).

30k still sounds good, though.

Best wishes,
Arne
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Re: [freenet-dev] freenetproject.org traffic: Pretty good

2016-03-14 Thread Florent Daigniere 
On Sun, 2016-03-13 at 22:44 -0400, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> On 03/12/2016 12:40 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> > 
> > hyazin...@emailn.de writes:
> > 
> > > Have a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/freenetpr
> > > oject.org
> > > Looks pretty good. It's new that China is in the TOP 5 of
> > > visitors splitted by origins...
> > 
> > 200k visitors per month is pretty good, but we’re still stuck at
> > 10k
> > users. These are things we can fix, though it’s not easy to really
> > get
> > right.
> 
> Actually this number is off by an order of magnitude from what our
> piwik
> [0] server log analysis lists. (Run on the server, not third party.)
> That lists closer to 30k per month, and I'm not even sure it's able
> to
> exclude bots properly because we don't log IPs.
> 

visitors != potential users != users who will successfully install !=
users who might consider staying != users who will stay

How many of these are running windows?

We setup a 32bit JVM that will be "upgraded" to 64bit, breaking freenet
in the process... This has been going on for a few months now. Fixing
it is non-trivial and definitely requires a release... it won't happen
until the build after the next one.

Florent

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Re: [freenet-dev] freenetproject.org traffic: Pretty good

2016-03-13 Thread Steve Dougherty 
On 03/12/2016 12:40 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> 
> hyazin...@emailn.de writes:
> 
>> Have a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/freenetproject.org
>> Looks pretty good. It's new that China is in the TOP 5 of visitors splitted 
>> by origins...
> 
> 200k visitors per month is pretty good, but we’re still stuck at 10k
> users. These are things we can fix, though it’s not easy to really get
> right.

Actually this number is off by an order of magnitude from what our piwik
[0] server log analysis lists. (Run on the server, not third party.)
That lists closer to 30k per month, and I'm not even sure it's able to
exclude bots properly because we don't log IPs.

> Obviously the problem of Freenet is not visibility. The problem is
> conversion rate from website visitor to longterm user.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Arne

[0] https://piwik.org/



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Re: [freenet-dev] freenetproject.org traffic: Pretty good

2016-03-12 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide 

hyazin...@emailn.de writes:

> Have a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/freenetproject.org
> Looks pretty good. It's new that China is in the TOP 5 of visitors splitted 
> by origins...

200k visitors per month is pretty good, but we’re still stuck at 10k
users. These are things we can fix, though it’s not easy to really get
right.

Obviously the problem of Freenet is not visibility. The problem is
conversion rate from website visitor to longterm user.

Best wishes,
Arne
-- 
Unpolitisch sein
heißt politisch sein
ohne es zu merken


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Re: [freenet-dev] freenetproject.org traffic: Pretty good

2016-03-10 Thread Michael Grube 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimilarWeb

"In June 2013, SimilarWeb released SimilarWeb PRO, an advanced version of
the free and general purpose SimilarWeb.[16]
 In addition,
SimilarWeb provides its data in form of API
.[17]
 SimilarWeb uses
data extracted from four main sources: 1) A panel of web surfers made of
millions of anonymous users equipped with a portfolio of apps, browser
plugins, desktop extensions and software; 2) Global and Local ISPs; 3) Web
traffic directly measured from a learning set of selected websites and
intended for specialized estimation algorithms; 4) A colony of web crawlers
that scan the entire Web."

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Matthew Toseland  wrote:

> On 10/03/16 20:40, hyazin...@emailn.de wrote:
> > Have a look at this:
> https://www.similarweb.com/website/freenetproject.org
> > Looks pretty good. It's new that China is in the TOP 5 of visitors
> splitted by origins...
>
> How is that possible? We've been blocked for over a decade - both the
> website and the protocol (at least 0.5). And the current Chinese
> government is moving in the direction of more censorship rather than less.
>
> Also how does this work, I thought we got rid of third party analytics?
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] freenetproject.org traffic: Pretty good

2016-03-10 Thread Matthew Toseland 
On 10/03/16 20:40, hyazin...@emailn.de wrote:
> Have a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/freenetproject.org
> Looks pretty good. It's new that China is in the TOP 5 of visitors splitted 
> by origins...

How is that possible? We've been blocked for over a decade - both the
website and the protocol (at least 0.5). And the current Chinese
government is moving in the direction of more censorship rather than less.

Also how does this work, I thought we got rid of third party analytics?



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[freenet-dev] freenetproject.org traffic: Pretty good

2016-03-10 Thread hyazinthe 
Have a look at this: https://www.similarweb.com/website/freenetproject.org
Looks pretty good. It's new that China is in the TOP 5 of visitors splitted by 
origins...
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