Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, George Roberts wrote: I cannot see the reason for a wiki as a focus for DDN discussion. Maybe that was not the intention. Wikis are for collaborative development of documents. Email is a much more accessible channel for discussion than web-based services. I whole-heartedly agree with this viewpoint. I often lose contact with groups when they migrate to a wiki or blog. Both are cumbersome when compared to simple email. We do not need graphics and razzle-dazzle to engage in discussion. Keep it simple. Continue to use the listserv format that goes directly to email. alexandra babione ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
An excellent suggestion, Barbara. A Ning Network Creator of an online community myself, I've found it to be a highly user-friendly and successful means of collaboration and community building. Members can participate via blogs, discussion forums, chat, and groups. Additionally they can upload videos, pictures, documents and other files. Network messages can be broadcast to the entire community, etc. Harmony Harmony Kieding Webmaster for American Homeless Land Model: A Book to Congress: A Speech to Mankind http://www.homelesslandmodel.com/index.html Group Leader/Creator of Homeless Civil Rights and Civil Liberties http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/Homelessness Network Creator of SpiritWeb http://spiritweb.ning.com/ Ovre Lang. 51 3110, Tonsberg Norway +47-333-55-700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Barbara COMBES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Barbara COMBES [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 5:40 AM Rather than use a wiki which can be clumsy, why not ry a ning - separate communities and multiple duscussions can occur - can also be invite only. www.ning.com :) BC Vice President, Advocacy Promotion, IASL: www.iasl-online.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.chs.ecu.edu.au/portals/LIS/index.php Transforming Information and Learning Conference http://conferences.scis.ecu.edu.au/TILC2007/ Barbara Combes, Lecturer School of Computer and Information Science Edith Cowan University, Perth Western Australia Ph: (08) 9370 6072 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever the cost of our libraries, the price is cheap compared to that of an ignorant nation. Walter Cronkite This email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify me immediately by return email or telephone and destroy the original message. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Claude Almansi Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2008 5:44 PM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN Hi All, I am answering on the mailing-list (with Bcc to Adam Clare and Taran Rampersad) rather than on the wiki because today I have a problem with logging in at the wiki (1). About: ...To make the site easier to manage we propose the removal of the communities functionality and discussion boards of DDN and replacing the categorization system with tagging. DDN's strength lies in the active mailing list and TIG realizes that the mailing list isn't perfect. In an ideal setup the mailing list will also be accessed online and have greater stability. Online communities encourage discussions between users in more than one place, right now that discussion happens on the mailing list for DDN and less so on the website. To encourage more discussions we would like to implement commenting on most DDN content. ... (in http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN) - Removal ot the communities and discussion boards: I agree; at first, each community had its own discussion board, but this stopped (around 2005?), which meant that there could be no diaogue within the communities. Anyway, even with that first set-up, there was little dialogue in community discussion boards and in discussion boards in general. - Mailing list: the archive is actually accessible online, but I'm not sure it's really necessary to be able to post to it from the web. However, until August 2006, the mailing-list archive had an RSS feed through which the last messages were automatically shown bottom right of the site in the Featured RSS feeds (2). That was a useful feature: would it be possible to have it again? For instance by using a yahoo or a google discussion list that have RSS feeds? - Making content taggable and discussable: great idea but in this case, would it not be simpler and cheaper to move rather than revamp? I'm thinking of Ning.com, where Steve Hargadon set up http://www.classroom20.com. And then he convinced the Ning administrators to make a special, ad-less, free offer for educators and provide a network for them, http://education.ning.com/ . One problem might be back-ups, though. Re Taran Rampersad's addition to http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN : The Membership level is certainly worthwhile and is one that shows promise, since DDN membership probably would be tax deductible, though that needs to be clarified. While that is sufficient given enough buy-in from the community, I'd also suggest continued monetization of content
Re: [DDN] Digital divide in emergent countries
Hi Sade, The best way to get all of Brazil data on Digital Divide is www.idbrasil.gov.br Good Luck Joe EDUCAÇÃO BÁSICA DE QUALIDADE PARA TODOSEU POSSO. VOCÊ PODE. NÓS PODEMOScontribuir para garantir uma educação básica de qualidade para todos.http://telecentrotrajetoria.spaces.live.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:54:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [DDN] Digital divide in emergent countries Hi Sade, I can help you about Brasil. I am speck and wrote english very bad, but I am happing in help you. Cleide On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:48:33 -0700 (PDT), wright sade wrote Hello, I am doing a research on the above named topic and I am required to do a case study between Nigeria and Brazil. I will like to ask if anyone has any kind of data, statistics or any information that may be of a huge help on the topic. I have searched the Internet, but I am not satisfied with the things I found. Can anyone be of help please? Thanks. Sade. Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide- [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. Cleide Cavalcante NETBandaLarga (http://www.netbandalarga.com.br) ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. _ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vistamkt=en-USform=QBRE ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] Digital divide in emergent countries
Hi Sade, The best way to get all of Brazil data on Digital Divide is www.idbrasil.gov.br Good Luck Joe EDUCAÇÃO BÁSICA DE QUALIDADE PARA TODOSEU POSSO. VOCÊ PODE. NÓS PODEMOScontribuir para garantir uma educação básica de qualidade para todos.http://telecentrotrajetoria.spaces.live.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:54:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [DDN] Digital divide in emergent countries Hi Sade, I can help you about Brasil. I am speck and wrote english very bad, but I am happing in help you. Cleide On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:48:33 -0700 (PDT), wright sade wrote Hello, I am doing a research on the above named topic and I am required to do a case study between Nigeria and Brazil. I will like to ask if anyone has any kind of data, statistics or any information that may be of a huge help on the topic. I have searched the Internet, but I am not satisfied with the things I found. Can anyone be of help please? Thanks. Sade. Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide- [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. Cleide Cavalcante NETBandaLarga (http://www.netbandalarga.com.br) ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-ussource=wlmailtagline ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] Digital divide in emergent countries
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Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
DDN should use the open source GroupServer platform to host an integrated e-mail/web forum/feeds experience! We use it here: http://forums.e-democracy.org More info: http://groupserver.org In terms of crossing divides, we paid for a feature that allows for super simple photo sharing that automatically resizes photos and places them on the site. Attach photo to e-mail. Send. That's it. Also, we will be paying for enhancements in the member directory function. Steven Clift E-Democracy.Org ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] PhD research on OLPC
Hi Taran what educational institutions preK-gray have to offer is certification. Some of the skills to obtain that certification can be provided through the certifying institutions and people choose to acquire both that information/knowledge and the certification as a package. But given the rise of the Internet, the package can/has/is being deconstructed as political, physical and social boundaries are becoming transparent and the walls of the ivory tower have been breached. We know full well that some institutions provide better information (which includes many tangible and intangible assets) and others provide more credible certification. One just weighs the balance like choosing a shirt or where one buys a house or which clubs to join or who is in your social network thoughts? tom tom abeles Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:05:46 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Subject: Re: [DDN] PhD research on OLPC Sorry for the late reply. My ISP lost control of it's bodily functions - and it was about as disgusting as that sounds... Responding inline. Catherine Arden wrote: Hi Tom I agree that the sage on the stage in the brick space structure is an outdated model of education that perhaps has more to do with maintaining power and control than teaching and learningHowever, there are nonetheless real challenges working within our new paradigm. For instance, how do we value knowledge? Value. Knowledge. Loaded words, these. Present administration does more to equate value to costs and potential revenue than anything else, it seems, which seems fair considering that metrics of value are not clear and, perhaps, never will be. Maybe they could be if one were to consider value as a form of potential energy (Physics). Consider that a book could be seen as having a high amount of 'potential energy', and that tapping that energy is really the key. And the same applies to knowledge itself, really... But then, I believe that I am thinking well outside of established boxes... How do we teach 'instrumental' skills such as literacy and numeracy effectively and how do we know they are learned? Well, we never truly know... I favor fuzzy logic (the concept) in this - if something is learned, it is learned to a degree of truth. Fuzzy Logic incorporates truth values to establish how true something is. Unfortunately, bayesian probability is more liked in the United States and other parts of the world due to it's simplicity in being integrated in software - but I really believe that Fuzzy Logic excels in questions like this. It isn't a true/false question - it is a matter of how true we believe something is based on information available. How do we recognise scholarly achievement? I think that the large mass of people on the planet rarely recognize scholarly achievement other than little pieces of paper that are hung on walls - and sometimes to their own detriment (they pose a risk when they fall, and are typically not OSHA compliant). How do we 'transmit' cultural values? And how do we 'receive' cultural values? ;-) Are these questions really still about hegemony and fear of losing control or do we need to have some way of controlling education if we are to further our human development and not find ourselves wallowing in a sea of pseudo? There has to be some control in a learning environment, but control does not have to wear latex and wield a bullwhip. While videos along those lines are inexplicably popular on the internet, I do not believe that there is a need for dominance/submission in education. Frankly, most of the things that I have learned that I am most happy I have learned have not come from a curriculum or a reading list provided by educational professionals - no offense to anyone. I believe in discussion, and discussion requires mutual respect. Where mutual respect lacks, discussion is impossible (which probably explains 93.6% of the Internet. I love making up statistics.). Where does mutual respect come from? Can we teach that? And can we get educational institutions to evaluate discussions, are have they become too much of businesses to use metrics that are less than tangible? I do not know. Some people require structure in their educations, others do not need the structure. Therefore comparing results boils down to comparing people's learning styles against educational institution knowledge transfer methodologies. And since no two humans are alike... -- Taran Rampersad [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.knowprose.com http://www.your2ndplace.com http://www.opendepth.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/knowprose/ Criticize by Creating - Michelangelo The present is theirs; the future, for which I really worked, is mine. - Nikola Tesla ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list
Re: [DDN] Digital divide in emergent countries
Cleide Your English can be improved. You can try our free English lessons designed for pre school, primary and secondary schools. We are giving them out for free to all schools in the world for a greener world. Regards Alan www.paperlesshomework.com An elearning solution for rural areas where online/CDs cannot reach. Get the latest happenings through paperlesshomework tool bar www.paperlesshomework.communitytoolbars.com --- On Wed, 10/22/08, cleide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: cleide [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DDN] Digital divide in emergent countries To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 9:54 PM Hi Sade, I can help you about Brasil. I am speck and wrote english very bad, but I am happing in help you. Cleide On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:48:33 -0700 (PDT), wright sade wrote Hello, I am doing a research on the above named topic and I am required to do a case study between Nigeria and Brazil. I will like to ask if anyone has any kind of data, statistics or any information that may be of a huge help on the topic. I have searched the Internet, but I am not satisfied with the things I found. Can anyone be of help please? Thanks. Sade. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide- [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. Cleide Cavalcante NETBandaLarga (http://www.netbandalarga.com.br) ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] PhD research on OLPC
Satish Jha You described children's experience using Internet. I believe in India such children are usually the haves and the better off. What is/are your experience with regard to rural India where the digital divide is all about? How are they faring in India. What are their challenges. Why ICT fails to reach them? Have any study been made on what is wrong? It would be interesting to hear from someone over there. The next country after China (have got someone to do it here), I would be going would be India to help to close the digital divides among the have nots there. Any idea? Regards Alan www.paperlesshomework.com An elearning solution for rural areas where online/CDs cannot reach. Get the latest happenings through paperlesshomework tool bar www.paperlesshomework.communitytoolbars.com --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Satish Jha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Satish Jha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DDN] PhD research on OLPC To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 5:41 PM Its a very interesting discussion that may find a definitive answer rather elusive.. Going by some more recent experience, at least having forgotten the warts of my own schooling the way they may have seemed then, I am glad to share the experience of my more recent encounters with early schooling, call it primary, secondary etc..or whatever works.. The students who are able to use the net, particularly wikipedia, find that their teachers are living in another era in terms of expression, what they reward and the guidelines they follow.. that creates a conflict between the two worlds children live in and feel helpless at the hands of their teacher who they perceive more as a tormentor.. This is more true of over-achievers than the rest.. but the feeling seems more generalized.. The over-achieving students while doing well still find the method of teaching a huge pain, a burden rather than an aide.. They can learn a lot better with more flexible style, curriculum etc if they need to go for learning learning, even more so in the context of using OLPC, with rather suggestive monitoring rather than imposition and knowledge being thrust upon them.. Technologies have made it possible for students to learn 100% of what they need to rather than depending on a selective knowledge to be certified having graduated.. We do not seem to have begun using them.. On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Catherine Arden [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Tom -- Satish Jha President CEO OLPC India One Cambridge Center Cambridge, MA 02142 T: 301 841 7422 F:301560 4909 www.laptop.org __ http://www.linkedin.com/myprofile?trk=tab_pro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satish_Jha ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] Digital divide in emergent countries
Hi Sade there is an excellent book about media technologies in Nigeria, Signal and Noice by Brian Larkin. I am doing research on Nigerian Video Film Cultures and would very much like to learn more about your research, and results concerning Nigeria :) Kind regards Melita Zajc ... Melita Zajc Ph.D. Assistant Professor Institute for Media Communication University of Maribor Slovenia Smetanova 17 2000 Maribor +386 2 220 7294 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Wed, 10/22/08, cleide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: cleide [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DDN] Digital divide in emergent countries To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 3:54 PM Hi Sade, I can help you about Brasil. I am speck and wrote english very bad, but I am happing in help you. Cleide On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:48:33 -0700 (PDT), wright sade wrote Hello, I am doing a research on the above named topic and I am required to do a case study between Nigeria and Brazil. I will like to ask if anyone has any kind of data, statistics or any information that may be of a huge help on the topic. I have searched the Internet, but I am not satisfied with the things I found. Can anyone be of help please? Thanks. Sade. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to digitaldivide- [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. Cleide Cavalcante NETBandaLarga (http://www.netbandalarga.com.br) ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] [SPAM] Re: PhD research on OLPC
Teacher Smeacher real elearning comes from using Desktop Search. I have been using search since the mid 80's and the Dec VAX computers. Search is so important that I created my own. It does video, music, pictures text and a lot more. Open Source too. Simple fast and the only program I need. Archive all your personal info simply, safely and easily. Get your copy at: http://www.topshareware.com/Spectate-Swamp-Search-download-42932.htm check out the source code at: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/stonedan/source.txt Doug Pederson AKA Spectate Swamp - Original Message - From: Barbara COMBES [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: [SPAM] Re: [DDN] PhD research on OLPC Hi All, A major aspect missing in the elearning environment that cannot be simulated is the teacher-learner dynamic. For some subjects especially highly technical ones such as computer programming - this is a real issue - Yuwanuch Gulatee's DIT research is on this topic. What needs to be a major component of this discussion is the recognition that elearning is a completely new paradigm, not the same as face-to-face and not an alternative. When this happens we will be able to move forward and introduce new learning frameworks and structures that cater for students in the different environment. Currently, we are trying to re-invent the old model. This about-face also means new ways of assessing learning, different learning resource formats and delivery modes. It also means some research into Human Computer Interaction, the types of skills required to interrogate learning materials on the screen and an individual's emotional response to learning in what is a very isolating environment - largely unexplored in any great detail. An observation from my own PhD research in this area - students use the cursor as a line of sight guide to read text on screen and everyone is still printing. Are we there yet? No - I don't think so. :) BC Vice President, Advocacy Promotion, IASL: www.iasl-online.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.chs.ecu.edu.au/portals/LIS/index.php Transforming Information and Learning Conference http://conferences.scis.ecu.edu.au/TILC2007/ Barbara Combes, Lecturer School of Computer and Information Science Edith Cowan University, Perth Western Australia Ph: (08) 9370 6072 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever the cost of our libraries, the price is cheap compared to that of an ignorant nation. Walter Cronkite This email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify me immediately by return email or telephone and destroy the original message. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Arden Sent: Monday, 6 October 2008 7:07 AM To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group Subject: Re: [DDN] PhD research on OLPC Hi Tom I agree that the sage on the stage in the brick space structure is an outdated model of education that perhaps has more to do with maintaining power and control than teaching and learningHowever, there are nonetheless real challenges working within our new paradigm. For instance, how do we value knowledge? How do we teach 'instrumental' skills such as literacy and numeracy effectively and how do we know they are learned? How do we recognise scholarly achievement? How do we 'transmit' cultural values? Are these questions really still about hegemony and fear of losing control or do we need to have some way of controlling education if we are to further our human development and not find ourselves wallowing in a sea of pseudo? Catherine Arden - Original Message - From: tom abeles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [DDN] PhD research on OLPC this conversation in several variances is being considered currently elsewhere on the net, particularly around the issue of virtual worlds Steve's example is right on target. academics hold the center stage because they control the grades/certification which provide for student advancement. That is the one unique product that universities, in click or brick space have to offer. And it is the one reason in the dominant US model that get's student attention for the sage on the stage What business has found out, as have many others, is that social networks (those articles that Steve cites as examples) allow knowledge to be gained in entirely different and collaborative fashion, a fashion that academics might call cheating or disrespectful of the sage. While,
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
Thanks Adam - this is all very interesting. I think the biggest problem I am seeing is that emails get stacked up for approval - this really limits any real discussion that might take place here on this list. I'd propose either opening it up or recruiting some volunteers to help manage the approval queue on a daily if not more regular basis. The ning idea is a good one, especially since it's a free (advertising driven) platform. I believe educators can get advertising-free spaces. Another platform well suited for email-empowered online communities is golightly, used at http://groups.nten.org If you are really concerned about costs for DDN into the future, then rolling your own site might not be a great idea. Cheers, Tobias On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the responses to our idea of what to do with DDN :) To clear somethings up: -Tobias asked if the donation for membership is voluntary or not. We have no intention of charging people to access DDN. What we do want to do is identify people who are financial supporters of DDN. We don't have a donation system set up yet because we wanted to make sure that it was a good idea first. -The wiki issue is being looked into. The system should be able to handle your existing DDN login information so you don't have to create two accounts and login to both all the time. -Taran's idea of GoogleAds is interesting and we'll have our tech team see how easy it is to implement. Which should be very easy. The hard part will be finding a space for them as we don't want GoogleAds on the front page of DDN has it may make the site look less credible. Any thoughts on that note? -Many people have suggested moving DDN to a new system. This is just as hard (or even harder) than keeping our current system running. We've though about this at TIG and were moving ahead with our system because it is the easiest for our developers to work on. Adam Clare ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. -- Tobias Eigen Senior Steward - IT Global Action Networks-Net (GAN-Net) http://www.gan-net.net Executive Director Kabissa - Space for Change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
[DDN] Master research for edugames
Dear All, I am doing a research on educational games. Anybody have an information can share with me? because it is worth for me for my literature review. particularly on interface design Thank you Muhammad Ali Reza Bin Ahmad Faculty of Information Science Technology Kolej Universiti Islam Antarabangsa Selangor Bandar Seri Putra, 43600, Bangi, Selangor Darul Ehsan Tel:+603-8925 4251/3211 Fax:+603-8925 4473 http://www.kuis.edu.my/ftsi Alamat E-mel baru yang tersedia pada Yahoo! Dapatkan nama E-mel yang telah lama anda kehendaki pada @ymail dan @rocketmail yang baru. Cepat sebelum orang lain mendapatkannya! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/my/ ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
Good evening, Somehow gmail delivered just now the e-mails after Taran Rampersad's. Thanks for clarifying about payment. And thanks for the explanation of why keep the present system for the site. Just wondering: at first, the last posts of the mailing list used to appear bottom-right of the template, through their RSS feeds. Would it be very complicated to do this again? True, the archive at http://digitaldivide.net/pipermail/digitaldivide/ does not have an RSS feed, but isn't there a work-around for that (1)? Re not having google ads on the home page - personally, I wouldn't mind. But if I read the site correctly, there are separate templates for the various parts of the site: what changes is the column on the right. So would it not be possible to have the google ads on all templates except on the one for the home page if you don't want them there? Best Claude (1) I mean a software work-around - not adding an XML sausage by hand for each new message in the file of the feed ... On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the responses to our idea of what to do with DDN :) To clear somethings up: -Tobias asked if the donation for membership is voluntary or not. We have no intention of charging people to access DDN. What we do want to do is identify people who are financial supporters of DDN. We don't have a donation system set up yet because we wanted to make sure that it was a good idea first. -The wiki issue is being looked into. The system should be able to handle your existing DDN login information so you don't have to create two accounts and login to both all the time. -Taran's idea of GoogleAds is interesting and we'll have our tech team see how easy it is to implement. Which should be very easy. The hard part will be finding a space for them as we don't want GoogleAds on the front page of DDN has it may make the site look less credible. Any thoughts on that note? -Many people have suggested moving DDN to a new system. This is just as hard (or even harder) than keeping our current system running. We've though about this at TIG and were moving ahead with our system because it is the easiest for our developers to work on. Adam Clare ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list DIGITALDIVIDE@digitaldivide.net http://digitaldivide.net/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] The future of DDN
Hi Cindy First, on charging a ¨fee¨. Tax Deductable? As my farmer brother-in-law says ¨deductable against what? Second, given networking in the web 2.0 world with U-Tube, Twitter, Linkedin, Wiki´s and so many other social networks, what do we get for a fee that this list and other tagged, networked, distributed and . . . systems don´t give for free. Fees are the equivalent of the Great Wall that walls information out and not in. It creates filters that are normally made by those on the net who choose how to access and limit access to the one non-leveragable commodity, TIME. And that is the individual´s responsibility. thoughts? tom tom abeles Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:18:12 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN Wiki is a good idea ... but I still think mailing list is a lot more VISIBLE. I have clean forgotten about THE Future of DDN until this mail. Yes. I agree DDN should look into methods of payment. Perhaps some thoughts on the following two items? 1) there should be perhaps free memberships for students for example. 2) As some of us at DDN have mentioned again and again during the debate on $100 for a One-child-per-laptop etc. etc. ... perhaps we might want to look at what is $100 to some in certain part of the world? Cindy = [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Sat, 11/10/08, Claude Almansi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Claude Almansi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DDN] The future of DDN To: The Digital Divide Network discussion group digitaldivide@digitaldivide.net Date: Saturday, 11 October, 2008, 11:43 AM Hi All, I am answering on the mailing-list (with Bcc to Adam Clare and Taran Rampersad) rather than on the wiki because today I have a problem with logging in at the wiki (1). About: ...To make the site easier to manage we propose the removal of the communities functionality and discussion boards of DDN and replacing the categorization system with tagging. DDN's strength lies in the active mailing list and TIG realizes that the mailing list isn't perfect. In an ideal setup the mailing list will also be accessed online and have greater stability. Online communities encourage discussions between users in more than one place, right now that discussion happens on the mailing list for DDN and less so on the website. To encourage more discussions we would like to implement commenting on most DDN content. ... (in http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN) - Removal ot the communities and discussion boards: I agree; at first, each community had its own discussion board, but this stopped (around 2005?), which meant that there could be no diaogue within the communities. Anyway, even with that first set-up, there was little dialogue in community discussion boards and in discussion boards in general. - Mailing list: the archive is actually accessible online, but I'm not sure it's really necessary to be able to post to it from the web. However, until August 2006, the mailing-list archive had an RSS feed through which the last messages were automatically shown bottom right of the site in the Featured RSS feeds (2). That was a useful feature: would it be possible to have it again? For instance by using a yahoo or a google discussion list that have RSS feeds? - Making content taggable and discussable: great idea but in this case, would it not be simpler and cheaper to move rather than revamp? I'm thinking of Ning.com, where Steve Hargadon set up http://www.classroom20.com. And then he convinced the Ning administrators to make a special, ad-less, free offer for educators and provide a network for them, http://education.ning.com/ . One problem might be back-ups, though. Re Taran Rampersad's addition to http://wiki.digitaldivide.net/index.php?title=The_future_of_DDN : The Membership level is certainly worthwhile and is one that shows promise, since DDN membership probably would be tax deductible, though that needs to be clarified. While that is sufficient given enough buy-in from the community, I'd also suggest continued monetization of content through Google Ads (such as those found on email list archives) and Amazon advertising. Further comments for funding would probably require a prerequisite of what TIG has already tried to do such that we can avoid repeating things I agree. Moreover, how could the payments be made? Some members may not have a credit card. Best Claude Almansi (1) Yesterday evening I was automatically logged in at the http://wiki.digitaldivide.net wiki, presumably because I was logged in at the www.digitaldivide.net main site, and even able to add some things on the resource page of the wiki. Today I am logged in at the main site, but not at the wiki. The URL of the log-in link at the top right of the wiki pages is
