[DDN] feature bloat in hp's printer driver software

2005-09-14 Thread Phil Shapiro
hi everyone -

this evening i went to help a first year college student friend who
has a donated imac with 96 megs of memory and mac os 9.2.  i helped
him download the printer driver software for an hp deskjet 5120
printer.

 when we went to install the software, we got a message saying that
this printer driver software requires 128 megs of memory.

 it's been a while since i've done computer programming, but i can't
think of any good reason why printer driver software requires 128
megabytes of memory.

  perhaps there is feature bloat in this software? whatever the
reason, this college student now cannot print his homework at home.
he needs to send his homework to himself as a file attachment and
then print it at his college -- which charges him for each page he
prints.

   hp is otherwise a decent company and i'm usually a big fan of their
products. they need to do better in supporting lower memory
computers.  under mac os 9.2, 96 megs is by no means low memory.

i wonder if there are any hp employees here on the DDN or CTCNet
email lists. is there a way to get the word to the right people
about this kind of issue? thanks in advance to anyone who is able
to relay this feedback.

  - phil


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[DDN] Re: DIGITALDIVIDE -- Katrina Web crawler

2005-09-14 Thread Maurreen Skowran
Hi, Will.
   About the Katrina Web crawler -- Great move. Does it make the Katrina People 
Finder project totally redundant?
   (http://katrinahelp.info/wiki/index.php/Katrina_PeopleFinder_Project)
- Maurreen Skowran
Raleigh, N.C.

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Rebecca and DDN friends, 

With the help of volunteers from Yahoo, we worked together to create a
web crawler that have used quite successfully here in Houston.  Go to
http://news.yahoo.com/katrinahelp and put a name in the box on the top
right of the page. Click enter and it will web crawl all of the
various databases. Since all the sites are crawled we have chosen a
very simple site for evacuees to list themselves as survivors or to list
loved ones they are looking for. On the list of sites we have aggregated
is Family Messages which allows individuals to write extended comments
and provide other information in the comments section.  We have also
aggregated many other tools on the site.

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RE: [DDN] feature bloat in hp's printer driver software

2005-09-14 Thread Rob Davidson
Phil,

 

It may not be the answer you were looking for but depending on the type of 
memory, there may be readily available and very cheap upgrade options. Some 
imacs take generic desktop RAM and some take laptop RAM. If it takes the older 
type desktop RAM, there should be some available for a very small price. 

 

I recently ran into the same problem with an older imac and a Cannon printer. 
After some internet digging I found that by turning off a few of the printer 
extensions it was able to work, with less than the required amount of memory. 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rob Davidson

Program/Technology Director

Institute for the Study of Digital Inclusion




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hi everyone -

this evening i went to help a first year college student friend who
has a donated imac with 96 megs of memory and mac os 9.2.  i helped
him download the printer driver software for an hp deskjet 5120
printer.

 when we went to install the software, we got a message saying that
this printer driver software requires 128 megs of memory.

 it's been a while since i've done computer programming, but i can't
think of any good reason why printer driver software requires 128
megabytes of memory.

  perhaps there is feature bloat in this software? whatever the
reason, this college student now cannot print his homework at home.
he needs to send his homework to himself as a file attachment and
then print it at his college -- which charges him for each page he
prints.

   hp is otherwise a decent company and i'm usually a big fan of their
products. they need to do better in supporting lower memory
computers.  under mac os 9.2, 96 megs is by no means low memory.

i wonder if there are any hp employees here on the DDN or CTCNet
email lists. is there a way to get the word to the right people
about this kind of issue? thanks in advance to anyone who is able
to relay this feedback.

  - phil


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[DDN] Capaciteria Update: Serving up peer-rated nonprofit capacity resources 24/7

2005-09-14 Thread Deborah Elizabeth Finn
Dear DDN Colleagues,

Jonathan Peizer, chief technology officer of the Open Society
Institute and creator of Capaciteria.Org, has posted an update on the
latter to my blog.  You can find it here:

http://blog.deborah.elizabeth.finn.com/blog/_archives/2005/9/14/1227135.html

Best regards from Deborah

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[DDN] Re: What can we do to prepare for a DISASTER?

2005-09-14 Thread Ronda Evans
 
Hi Deborah,In answer to your question about a trained group of volunteers that 
can help post missing persons during a disaster, I think this is exactly what 
happened.  As soon as the people were out of New Orleans and in other places 
they were immediately helped with all the volunteers to use technology to find 
their loves one. This was done while waiting for the government to decide what 
to do.   The more major concern at this time is keeping track of the refugees, 
where they went, what they need, which is what the new database by VisionLink 
is providing.  This on-line database has taken years to develop and covers 
every area of persons life and is flexible to accommodate the homeless and the 
disaster victims.  RECA Foundation and 4People are beginning to use this for 
our Homeless in eastern Washington, and almost any techie could easily walk 
around and get the information needed for this case management system. The 
important thing about the database is that Red Cross, FEMA!
 , 
Salvation Army, United Way and others have all AGREED to use this one, so it 
goes beyond posting, but providing services to the victims.   My more immediate 
concern would be to make sure that New Orleans has Wi-Fi and computer centers 
in non-profits, hospitals, schools, senior centers, DSHS, HUD buildings so that 
everyone can learn to use the Internet to help themselves.  My other concern is 
that the RED Cross, FEMA and all involved with disaster preparedness need to 
update their Disaster Preparedness Kits to include communications equipment.  
How about a solar powered battery recharger, or a hand held recharger. We need 
to proceed with making most computers wireless and showing people how to use 
these.  We need to get the legislature and city officials to make deals with 
the ISP's to provide wireless access for FREE during a disaster.   This is a 
great example to show non-profits how much they truly need to use the Internet. 
 We still have a number of holdouts in our 
community even thought we have been pushing them for over 13 years. Know that 
the Tech Community was there!Ronda EvansRECA Foundationtcfn.org - 
connecting people to technology4people.tcfn.org - connecting people to 
resourcescalendars.tcfn.org connecting people to activities  Re: What can we do 
to prepare for a DISASTER?Dear Colleagues,I just want to mention a vision that 
a few of us in the KatrinaPeopleFinder Project group have been discussing.What 
if we got together with the national CityCares / Hands On Networkand the 
CommunityTechnology Center Network ? What if the HandsOn Network recruited 
volunteers (to be trained by the KatrinaPeopleFinder Project) who would be 
willing to go to local CTCs in theevent of an emergency, in order to process 
data about missing persons,or to help distraught loved ones who are searching 
for evacuees toenter queries into the PeopleFinder database?If we had a network 
of previously-trained national or internationalvolunteers - and sites to 
which they could report - in advance ofemergencies - then the folks who were in 
unaffected regions would havean immediate way to help those in need.What do you 
think?Best regards from DeborahDeborah Elizabeth FinnBoston, Massachusetts, 
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[DDN] admin: off to Scotland tomorrow

2005-09-14 Thread Andy Carvin

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to let you know that I'm off to Scotland tomorrow evening 
for 10 days. I'll be speaking next week at the Scottish Learning 
Festival in Glasgow; the rest of the time I'll be wandering around 
Edinburgh and Argyle with Susanne for a brief holiday. During my 
absence, Charlie Meisch has been kind enough to step in as guest 
moderator. If you have any pressing questions for me, please contact me 
before mid-day tomorrow; otherwise, I'll be back online September 26.


thanks,
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[DDN] Re: What can we do to prepare for a DISASTER?

2005-09-14 Thread John Hibbs
Remember the discussion about those cyber vans? Wouldn't it be nice 
if FEMA would have had about 50 of them? Or even a 100? They could 
have located in places where they could be used for disaster (and 
other) training; but in an emergency, they would be rounded up and 
trucked and ready-to-use in a few days at the disaster site(s).


With all that money that is coming forward, one would think someone 
on the DD list would have the connections to get an order - for, 
say?, 50? They would not be all that hard to build. Not with all the 
talent that is available from this wonderful group.


At 5:16 PM -0400 9/14/05, Ronda Evans wrote:


Hi Deborah,In answer to your question about a trained group of 
volunteers that can help post missing persons during a disaster, I 
think this is exactly what happened.  As soon as the people were out 
of New Orleans and in other places they were immediately helped with 
all the volunteers to use technology to find their loves one. This 
was done while waiting for the government to decide what to do. 
The more major concern at this time is keeping track of the 
refugees, where they went, what they need, which is what the new 
database by VisionLink is providing.  This on-line database has 
taken years to develop and covers every area of persons life and is 
flexible to accommodate the homeless and the disaster victims.  RECA 
Foundation and 4People are beginning to use this for our Homeless in 
eastern Washington, and almost any techie could easily walk around 
and get the information needed for this case management system. The 
important thing about the database is that Red Cross, FEMA!

 ,
Salvation Army, United Way and others have all AGREED to use this 
one, so it goes beyond posting, but providing services to the 
victims.   My more immediate concern would be to make sure that New 
Orleans has Wi-Fi and computer centers in non-profits, hospitals, 
schools, senior centers, DSHS, HUD buildings so that everyone can 
learn to use the Internet to help themselves.  My other concern is 
that the RED Cross, FEMA and all involved with disaster preparedness 
need to update their Disaster Preparedness Kits to include 
communications equipment.  How about a solar powered battery 
recharger, or a hand held recharger. We need to proceed with making 
most computers wireless and showing people how to use these.  We 
need to get the legislature and city officials to make deals with 
the ISP's to provide wireless access for FREE during a disaster. 
This is a great example to show non-profits how much they truly need 
to use the Internet.  We still have a number of holdouts in our
community even thought we have been pushing them for over 13 years. 
Know that the Tech Community was there!Ronda EvansRECA 
Foundationtcfn.org - connecting people to technology4people.tcfn.org 
- connecting people to resourcescalendars.tcfn.org connecting people 
to activities  Re: What can we do to prepare for a DISASTER?Dear 
Colleagues,I just want to mention a vision that a few of us in the 
KatrinaPeopleFinder Project group have been discussing.What if we 
got together with the national CityCares / Hands On Networkand the 
CommunityTechnology Center Network ? What if the HandsOn Network 
recruited volunteers (to be trained by the KatrinaPeopleFinder 
Project) who would be willing to go to local CTCs in theevent of an 
emergency, in order to process data about missing persons,or to help 
distraught loved ones who are searching for evacuees toenter queries 
into the PeopleFinder database?If we had a network of 
previously-trained national or internationalvolunteers - and sites to
which they could report - in advance ofemergencies - then the folks 
who were in unaffected regions would havean immediate way to help 
those in need.What do you think?Best regards from DeborahDeborah 
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RE: [DDN] Re: DIGITALDIVIDE -- Katrina Web crawler

2005-09-14 Thread Will Reed
Maureen, 
I can reply in more detail offline, but with the current 54+ online
databases to help located loved ones, the web crawler has been extremely
successful for our work in Houston.

Will 

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Hi, Will.
   About the Katrina Web crawler -- Great move. Does it make the Katrina
People Finder project totally redundant?
   (http://katrinahelp.info/wiki/index.php/Katrina_PeopleFinder_Project)
- Maurreen Skowran
Raleigh, N.C.

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Rebecca and DDN friends, 

With the help of volunteers from Yahoo, we worked together to create a
web crawler that have used quite successfully here in Houston.  Go to
http://news.yahoo.com/katrinahelp and put a name in the box on the top
right of the page. Click enter and it will web crawl all of the
various databases. Since all the sites are crawled we have chosen a
very simple site for evacuees to list themselves as survivors or to list
loved ones they are looking for. On the list of sites we have aggregated
is Family Messages which allows individuals to write extended comments
and provide other information in the comments section.  We have also
aggregated many other tools on the site.

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[DDN] Basic Technologies

2005-09-14 Thread Chris
I am interested to know if anyone recommends any good 
websites/articles/organizations regarding the provision of basic 
technologies of development (like wells and electricity). 

I feel frustrated that, because of my web development background perhaps, I 
am surrounded with ideas about wikis and photoblogs, etc., but I know 
nothings about what it takes to, say, get some solar panels or a water 
purifier up and running.

Any help?

Thanks, 

Chris Blow
http://www.PICTR.org
http://www.nonprofitdesign.org
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Re: [DDN] Basic Technologies

2005-09-14 Thread Dave Pentecost
Hi Chris

I'll look back into some of my files and links, but you might want to
look into micro hydro power (tiny generators in streams or rivers,
linked to batteries). I researched it a bit when I was looking for
alternatives to a huge dam that was planned for the Usumacinta River,
between Mexico and Guatemala. Due to local and international protest,
that dam plan has been shelved - for now.

But when I posted information on micro hydro on my blog, it got more
comments and requests for more info than almost anything else I've
posted.

http://www.gomaya.com/glyph/archives/86.html

One of the links in that post was to a (surprisingly?) good source of
papers on sustainable development - the World Bank. Politics aside,
there are good resources there.

http://www-wds.worldbank.org/

Here for instance is a list of 171 items returned in a search for solar:

http://www-wds.worldbank.org/servlet/WDS_IBank_Servlet?stype=AllWordsall=solarx=9y=8ptype=sSrchpcont=resultssortby=Dsortcat=D

For news and reports on sustainable technologies of all kinds, in a
format irresistible to webheads like us, you can't beat WorldChanging:

http://www.worldchanging.com/

I'll see what else I can find.

Best
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On 9/14/05, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am interested to know if anyone recommends any good
 websites/articles/organizations regarding the provision of basic
 technologies of development (like wells and electricity).
 
 I feel frustrated that, because of my web development background perhaps, I
 am surrounded with ideas about wikis and photoblogs, etc., but I know
 nothings about what it takes to, say, get some solar panels or a water
 purifier up and running.
 
 Any help?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chris Blow
 http://www.PICTR.org
 http://www.nonprofitdesign.org
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[DDN] Re: What can we do to prepare for a DISASTER?

2005-09-14 Thread Ronda Evans
 
cyber vans?   WSU got a large grant to put together a bus with 12 computer 
stations to take out to the Migrant Workers.  These days the bus is parked and 
no one can afford the $500.00 a day to run the bus.   We at RECA always do 
things on a shoestring,  we have a 7 laptop, all wireless, with rooter, 
portable lab, that  can be loaded into a car and taken to anywhere to conduct 
classes.In the future I would invision that volunteers would just bring 
their own laptops - like they do on plains - hook up to a wireless feed - and 
wa la they can help anyone they run into. Ronda EvansRECA FoundationRECA 
Foundationtcfn.org - connecting people to technology4people.tcfn.org - 
connecting people to resourcescalendars.tcfn.org connecting people to 
activities--- On Wed 09/14, John Hibbs lt; [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; wrote:From: 
John Hibbs [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 
15:44:40 -0700Subject: [DDN] Re: What can we do to prepare for a 
DISASTER?Remember the discussion about those cyber vans? Wouldn't it be nice if 
FEMA would have had about 50 of them? Or even a 100? They could have located in 
places where they could be used for disaster (and other) training; but in an 
emergency, they would be rounded up and trucked and ready-to-use in a few days 
at the disaster site(s).With all that money that is coming forward, one would 
think someone on the DD list would have the connections to get an order - for, 
say?, 50? They would not be all that hard to build. Not with all the talent 
that is available from this wonderful group.At 5:16 PM -0400 9/14/05, Ronda 
Evans wrote:gt;gt;Hi Deborah,In answer to your question about a trained group 
of gt;volunteers that can help post missing persons during a disaster, I 
gt;think this is exactly what happened. As soon as the people were out gt;of 
New Orleans and in other places they were immediately helped with gt;all the 
volunteers to use technology to find their loves one. 
This gt;was done while waiting for the government to decide what to do. 
gt;The more major concern at this time is keeping track of the gt;refugees, 
where they went, what they need, which is what the new gt;database by 
VisionLink is providing. This on-line database has gt;taken years to develop 
and covers every area of persons life and is gt;flexible to accommodate the 
homeless and the disaster victims. RECA gt;Foundation and 4People are 
beginning to use this for our Homeless in gt;eastern Washington, and almost 
any techie could easily walk around gt;and get the information needed for this 
case management system. The gt;important thing about the database is that Red 
Cross, FEMA!gt; ,gt;Salvation Army, United Way and others have all AGREED to 
use this gt;one, so it goes beyond posting, but providing services to the 
gt;victims. My more immediate concern would be to make sure that New 
gt;Orleans has Wi-Fi and computer centers in non-profits, hospitals, 
gt;schools!
 , 
senior centers, DSHS, HUD buildings so that everyone can gt;learn to use the 
Internet to help themselves. My other concern is gt;that the RED Cross, FEMA 
and all involved with disaster preparedness gt;need to update their Disaster 
Preparedness Kits to include gt;communications equipment. How about a solar 
powered battery gt;recharger, or a hand held recharger. We need to proceed 
with making gt;most computers wireless and showing people how to use these. We 
gt;need to get the legislature and city officials to make deals with gt;the 
ISP's to provide wireless access for FREE during a disaster. gt;This is a 
great example to show non-profits how much they truly need gt;to use the 
Internet. We still have a number of holdouts in ourgt;community even thought 
we have been pushing them for over 13 years. gt;Know that the Tech Community 
was there! Ronda EvansRECA gt;Foundationtcfn.org - connecting people to 
technology4people.tcfn.org gt;- connecting people to 
resourcescalendars.tcfn.org connecting people gt;to activities Re: What can we 
do to prepare for a DISASTER?Dear gt;Colleagues,I just want to mention a 
vision that a few of us in the gt;KatrinaPeopleFinder Project group have been 
discussing.What if we gt;got together with the national CityCares / Hands On 
Networkand the gt;CommunityTechnology Center Network ? What if the HandsOn 
Network gt;recruited volunteers (to be trained by the KatrinaPeopleFinder 
gt;Project) who would be willing to go to local CTCs in theevent of an 
gt;emergency, in order to process data about missing persons,or to help 
gt;distraught loved ones who are searching for evacuees toenter queries 
gt;into the PeopleFinder database?If we had a network of 
gt;previously-trained national or internationalvolunteers - and sites 
togt;which they could report - in advance ofemergencies - then the folks 
gt;who were in unaffected regions would havean immediate way to help gt;those 
in need.What do you 
think?Best regards from DeborahDeborah gt;Elizabeth FinnBoston, 

[DDN] Re: What can we do to prepare for a DISASTER?

2005-09-14 Thread John Hibbs
First, long ago we tossed the idea of a bus...the van (40 foot 
container) would be towed for placement weeks and months on end. 
(outside of a Walmart)


Next, it seems to me there is some advantage to having a 
self-contained shell where the equipment can be stored, used, and 
shipped - and where people can make their way to it, and work 
shoulder to shoulder.


Just a thought. And you could be right. Maybe a boxes of computers 
which have all the information on their hard drivers, and bookmarks, 
etc. would be sufficient. Load them on an airplane and have the 
people find the outer carton, unpack same and set up shop. Wireless 
has changed a lot, that's for sure.


At 7:26 PM -0400 9/14/05, Ronda Evans wrote:


cyber vans?   WSU got a large grant to put together a bus with 12 
computer stations to take out to the Migrant Workers.  These days 
the bus is parked and no one can afford the $500.00 a day to run the 
bus.   We at RECA always do things on a shoestring,  we have a 7 
laptop, all wireless, with rooter, portable lab, that  can be loaded 
into a car and taken to anywhere to conduct classes.In the 
future I would invision that volunteers would just bring their own 
laptops - like they do on plains - hook up to a wireless feed - and 
wa la they can help anyone they run into. Ronda EvansRECA 
FoundationRECA Foundationtcfn.org - connecting people to 
technology4people.tcfn.org - connecting people to 
resourcescalendars.tcfn.org connecting people to activities--- On 
Wed 09/14, John Hibbs lt; [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; wrote:From: John 
Hibbs [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

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RE: [DDN] Re: What can we do to prepare for a DISASTER?

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Dear Colleagues,

I just want to mention a vision that a few of us in the Katrina
PeopleFinder Project group have been discussing.

What if we got together with the national CityCares / Hands On Network
http://www.handsonnetwork.org/our-network/ and the Community
Technology Center Network http://www.ctcnet.org?  What if the Hands
On Network recruited volunteers (to be trained by the Katrina
PeopleFinder Project) who would be willing to go to local CTCs in the
event of an emergency, in order to process data about missing persons,
or to help distraught loved ones who are searching for evacuees to
enter queries into the PeopleFinder database?

If we had a network of previously-trained national or international
volunteers  - and sites to which they could report - in advance of
emergencies - then the folks who were in unaffected regions would have
an immediate way to help those in need.

What do you think?

Best regards from Deborah

Deborah Elizabeth Finn
Boston, Massachusetts, USA
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