Re: @noreturn property
> > Thoughts? I really, really like the idea.
Re: What can the community do to help D?
On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 16:09:37 +0100, Peter Alexander wrote: > Should people work on other D compilers (gdc and ldc in particular)? Is > this even possible without a formal language specification? God, I hope so, because I've already sunk enough time into SDC. I'd like to have a usable compiler at the end! xD
Re: why a part of D community do not want go to D2 ?
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:26:52 -0500, Sean Kelly wrote: > Also, I do still feel > that the druntime SVN shouldn't have to be the repository used for every > compiler runtime or garbage collector implementation. I am attempting to write a compiler in D2 (github.com/bhelyer/SDC), and I can't help but feel that rewriting druntime, or picking out the relatively benign parts would be a difficult, bug filled task. I don't see a realistic alternative to druntime compatibility. I also feel that having all implementations share the GC implementation means that improvements there will improve everywhere else. If I weren't to use druntime's GC, then I would use the Boehm collector, but I feel using druntime is more beneficial than not.
Re: D1 -> D2
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:58:42 +, %u wrote:
> == Quote from Denis Koroskin (2kor...@gmail.com)'s article
>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:19:12 +0300, Walter Bright
>> wrote:
>> > Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
>> >> My recommendation -- when you are ready, switch wholly to D2. Don't
>> >> bother with compatibility, it's just not possible.
>> >
>> > From what you wrote, it appears that most of the difficulties were
>> > in
>> > dealing with strings.
>> No, it's not. From my experience, a bigger issue is that version (D2) {
>> /* some D2 only code involving const etc */
>> }
>> simply won't compile in D1, because even if it's D2-only the code needs
>> to be correct D1 code as well.
>
> Wow, that sucks!!
> Can't this simply be mended with special D_DMD1 and D_DMD2 (D_DMD3 :)
> version identifiers?
> If the compiler version isn't the same then it won't look at the code.
No. The contents of a version block is still parsed. If the D2 code
doesn't _parse_ as valid D1, then the D1 compiler will reject it, even if
the version block will not be processed further than that.
Re: Please vote on std.datetime
I vote yes. Why? Because Phobos has needed a solid module for working with dates and time for a long time, and neither std.date or std.gregorian filled that need -- std.date is buggy beyond repair, and std.gregorian's API doesn't make my normal tasks easy. std.datetime's API is fairly intuitive, and what I would expect out of a fairly modern date/time library. There are some bugs over here the need attending to, but I believe that the API itself is solid, and well designed, and that it can be a solid, good quality module in Phobos.
Re: Please vote on std.datetime
On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:54:14 -0800, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> In any case, you've found bugs, please point them out. I can't fix it if
> I don't know that it's broken.
The localtime it retrieves is incorrect, over here. It is always one and
a half hours slow. I am retrieving it using Clock.currTime, and the
result is the same if I force the TZ ("Pacific/Auckland").
(Linux 64, NZST, BIOS set to local time not UTC as I dual boot with
Windows).
assert(object) fails to adhere to the principle of least surprise
If I do
if (object) {
...
}
What happens is fairly obvious, and is equivalent to
if (object !is null) {
}
However, if I do
auto object = new Object();
assert(object);
What I expect to happen is
assert(object !is null);
Just as in the above example. What happens however is the program seg
faults. Why? Because it turns out what DMD turns it (silently) into is
object.checkInvariants(); // Whatever it's called.
This is bad enough, however it gets pants-on-head stupid as *object is
not checked for null*. I think the silent rewrite is bad design, but not
checking for null is so stupid, so obvious to anyone who actually uses
the language, I can't believe it's existed for so long. The fact that
assert(object);
and
import std.exception;
enforce(object);
do different things boggles my mind. One must write
assert(object !is null);
or
assert(!!object);
and every day it's like a giant stabbing pain. A stupid wrong headed
design that makes my experience with D _worse_. Just expose a method for
checking the invariant explicitly, and don't do this silent rewrite
bullshit. Any chance of getting a change of behaviour?
FWIW, GDC doesn't do the rewrite, and SDC (the compiler I'm working on
github.com/bhelyer/sdc) won't either.
Re: assert(object) fails to adhere to the principle of least surprise
A few corrections. On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:02:57 +, Bernard Helyer wrote: > auto object = new Object(); > assert(object); This segfaults if object is null, which is obviously impossible in this example. > > FWIW, GDC doesn't do the rewrite, On structs, it does the rewrite on class instances (boo!).
Re: assert(object) fails to adhere to the principle of least surprise
Further correction. On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:09:41 +, Bernard Helyer wrote: >> FWIW, GDC doesn't do the rewrite, > > On structs, it does the rewrite on class instances (boo!). It checks for null then checks the invariant. I think that's a good compromise, given that an object without an invariant passes the assert.
Re: Suggestion: New D front page
I like it. D's web presence needs work all-round.
Re: On 80 columns should (not) be enough for everyone
Here's SDC, just for kicks:
[SDC]$ find src/sdc -name "*.d" -print0 | xargs --null wc -l | sort -rn |
head -n 1
12545 total
[SDC]$ find src/sdc -name "*.d" -print0 | xargs --null grep '.\{81,\}' |
cut -f1 -d:| uniq -c | sort -nr
81 src/sdc/gen/value.d
44 src/sdc/gen/expression.d
35 src/sdc/lexer.d
26 src/sdc/gen/base.d
24 src/sdc/parser/declaration.d
24 src/sdc/gen/declaration.d
19 src/sdc/gen/sdctemplate.d
16 src/sdc/gen/statement.d
13 src/sdc/global.d
12 src/sdc/gen/sdcfunction.d
11 src/sdc/sdc.d
9 src/sdc/gen/sdcpragma.d
8 src/sdc/parser/expression.d
8 src/sdc/parser/base.d
8 src/sdc/gen/sdcmodule.d
7 src/sdc/parser/conditional.d
7 src/sdc/gen/attribute.d
6 src/sdc/parser/sdcimport.d
6 src/sdc/parser/attribute.d
6 src/sdc/extract/base.d
4 src/sdc/parser/sdctemplate.d
4 src/sdc/parser/enumeration.d
4 src/sdc/gen/sdcimport.d
4 src/sdc/gen/enumeration.d
3 src/sdc/sdc4de.d
2 src/sdc/token.d
2 src/sdc/gen/type.d
2 src/sdc/gen/cfg.d
2 src/sdc/gen/aggregate.d
1 src/sdc/tokenstream.d
1 src/sdc/terminal.d
1 src/sdc/source.d
1 src/sdc/parser/statement.d
1 src/sdc/parser/sdcpragma.d
1 src/sdc/parser/sdcclass.d
1 src/sdc/parser/aggregate.d
1 src/sdc/ast/statement.d
1 src/sdc/ast/expression.d
Re: std.xml should just go
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:33:42 -0600, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > > Should we nuke it? >From orbit; it's the only way to be sure. Remove it with utter prejudice, before someone else makes the mistake of trying to use it.
Re: std.xml should just go
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 16:28:27 -0800, Brad Roberts wrote: > I haven't used it nor am likely to, > but I also have trouble ruling out the potential that there's users for > which it works and they just aren't talking about it here. I do not believe that it's possible that anyone has used std.xml successfully for something substantial. :D
Re: GDC Explorer - an online disassembler for D
On Friday, 21 September 2012 at 10:04:00 UTC, Jens Mueller wrote: Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I've met Matt Goldbolt, the author of the GCC Explorer at http://gcc.godbolt.org - a very handy online disassembler for GCC. This is not a disassembler. It just stops compilation before the assembler (gcc -S). A dissembler would create the assembler code given only the machine code. You are both correct and incredibly pedantic. :P
Should this be flagged as a warning?
I just found a bug in my code that showed up in this fragment: match(ts, TokenType.OpenParen); ie.type == parseType(ts); Obviously I meant ie.type = parseType(ts); but wrote == because I'm an idiot. If parseType wasn't a function with side effects, -w would have flagged it as an expression with no effect. But the comparison still has no side effects. Thoughts? -Bernard. p.s. as a side note, I think this is the first time I've had a bug from writing == where I meant = instead of the other way around!
Should this be flagged as a warning?
I tried to post this last night, but the NG wasn't having any of it. I found myself writing a bug that looked like this match(ts, TokenType.Is); match(ts, TokenType.OpenParen); isExp.type == parseType(ts); The bug being of course, that a type is parsed and ts is modified, so the expression has side effects so it's not flagged as a useless expression. But the comparison still has no effect, so should this be flagged by DMD? -Bernard.
Re: Should this be flagged as a warning?
On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 at 19:29:26 UTC, Bernard Helyer wrote: I tried to post this last night, but the NG wasn't having any of it. I found myself writing a bug that looked like this match(ts, TokenType.Is); match(ts, TokenType.OpenParen); isExp.type == parseType(ts); The bug being of course, that a type is parsed and ts is modified, so the expression has side effects so it's not flagged as a useless expression. Err, the bug is that I wrote '==' instead of '='. That's what I get for posting first thing in the morning, I guess.
Re: Should this be flagged as a warning?
On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 at 21:15:24 UTC, bearophile wrote: The top level operation is the ==, that is a pure expression, so maybe dmd should warn on this. Yeah, I thought so but I'm not sure. Hence me asking.
Re: Dangling if
On Friday, 28 September 2012 at 02:12:20 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: This is a very specific situation that could be handled unless it is too complex to mess with the lexer. If there's an if statement which isn't followed by a block but is followed by a blank line emit a warning. Sounds simple enough to me. By the time the compiler even has a concept of an 'if statement' or a 'block' the whitespace is long gone. Not to say you couldn't change the lexing model to detect such things, but it's not a simple as you make it sound.
Re: I have a feature request: "Named enum scope inference"
On Saturday, 29 September 2012 at 05:08:12 UTC, Tommi wrote: then that's completely an unacceptable argument. The question of how much work it is to implement, has nothing to do with whether it's a good feature to have or not. And that's what we're discussing. Except a theoretical feature doesn't exist, so someone has to write the code. So no, it's not an 'unacceptable argument'.
Re: I have a feature request: "Named enum scope inference"
Yeah, to respond to the larger topic, the with statement is more than enough here. I'm not convinced that complicating lookup rules further is worth it.
Re: [OT] Gibberish webpages
On Monday, 1 October 2012 at 12:54:45 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: I have a Google alert on "D programming language" and it sometimes yields pages like this: http://swpp.co.uk/lovegovee.php?lib=1612 It looks like random sentences either scraped from other sites or generated using a language model. What would be the purpose of all this? Thanks, Andrei To hit random search results and make some delicious ad money.
Re: A study on immutability usage
Our results from 14 Java applications Only 14? So it's a useless statistic. Good to know. The rest seemed interesting.
Re: D3 suggestion: rename "range" to "sequence"
On Thursday, 4 October 2012 at 03:10:56 UTC, Alex Rønne Petersen wrote: Look, not to sound dismissive, but D3 is not a thing and likely will never be. Well _I'll_ be dismissive. This idea, even if we were doing the D3 thing, is completely pointless. D != maths. I don't know why I have to point that out, but here we are! :P
Re: Proposal: clean up semantics of array literals vs string literals
On Tuesday, 2 October 2012 at 15:14:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: First, I think zero-terminated strings shouldn't be needed frequently enough in D code to make this necessary. My experience has been much different. Interfacing with C occurs in nearly every D program I write, and I usually end up passing a string literal. Anecdotes!
Re: Proposal: clean up semantics of array literals vs string literals
On Tuesday, 2 October 2012 at 14:03:36 UTC, monarch_dodra wrote: If you want 0 termination, then make it explicit, that's my opinion. That ship has long since sailed. You'll break code in an incredibly dangerous way if you were to change it now.
Re: A simple question
On Friday, 16 November 2012 at 01:00:58 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 11/15/2012 4:11 PM, Stugol wrote: am I likely to be told to fuck off again? I haven't seen Bernard lately, so probably not. I'm still about. Bernard was certainly out of line with that remark Absolutely. I let the NG get under my skin too much. I'm trying to be a reformed man!
Re: Seeking research papers on D
On Sunday, 18 November 2012 at 08:35:51 UTC, Philippe Sigaud wrote: I remember reading an article on graphs using D a few years ago. Ah, there it is: http://www.massey.ac.nz/~kahawick/cstn/043/cstn-043.pdf Hey, that guy was my lecturer! He turned me onto D in the first place. Neat. :D
Re: moving away from changelog.dd?
On Monday, 24 December 2012 at 03:48:47 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Some other way may as well be introduce entries in bugzilla. Is adding things that don't belong in bugzilla to bugzilla really a great idea?
Re: DMD build
On Saturday, 29 December 2012 at 02:11:03 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: I would expect rebasing to fix it trivially so long as git mv was used rather than renaming the file with the OS' commands, but I don't know for sure. - Jonathan M Davis IIRC, Git can figure out if a raw renamed file (a new file from git's perspective) is a rename of an old file if the contents are the same as a recently removed file above a certain threshold (70 percentish). Considering the contents of the files shouldn't change at all, I _think_ git should be able to figure out what's happened. No idea what'll happen to the pull requests, though.
Re: Vote on std.regex (FReD)
Yes.
Re: assert(obj) is an atrocity
Agreed on all points. It's pathetic that this is still a problem. Check the object for null. To not do so is a _bug_, even if Walter disagrees. SDC will not replicate DMD's behaviour in this regard. -Bernard.
Re: assert(obj) is an atrocity
Because it's a design issue, not a learning issue?
Re: CTFE is getting there
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:28:54 +0100, Martin Nowak wrote: > D_InlineAsm_X86 is just a normal version tag and does not imply asm > code, so it has to. D_InlineAsm_X86 is intended to be defined when an implementation supports inline asm for x86. The compiler, when running CTFE, does not, so it should not be defined.
Re: Translation of C struct to D
kbuild is almost certainly not linking in phobos.
Re: Curl wrapper review
I'll just post my thoughts here while they're fresh. It looks good. The
documentation is what I'd expect from a Phobos module, as is the naming
convention.
auto _basicFtp(T)(const(char)[] url, const(void)[] sendData, Ftp client)
If you don't want people using it, shouldn't it be marked private instead
of using the underscore for obscurity?
private struct Pool(DATA)
{
private:
You've marked private things as 'private foo;' everywhere else in the
module, what's with the switch in styles for this struct? Also, as the
whole struct is module private I'm not sure of the utility of marking
members private. I guess it's a form of documentation.
But really, I'm grasping at straws. Even if the above were to remain, I
would love to see this in Phobos yesterday. :)
-Bernard.
Re: newsgroup web viewer
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:48:55 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: > russian porn spam WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED? I mean, terrible stuff. :o
Re: newsgroup web viewer
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:04:39 +1300, Bernard Helyer wrote: On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:48:55 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: russian porn spam WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED? I mean, terrible stuff. :o Forgive me, but I'm just trying out Opera's NG reader.
Re: In my whole life
Don't give the mouth breather the pleasure of a reply, please.
Re: Doom3 (id tech 4) port/binding in D ?
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:38:56 +1300, Trass3r wrote: Also,, in any case, you will want to wait until the community gains some direction and organization. Eventually something like iodoom3 should take over control and aggregate the useful patches floating around in space. Currently there are over 200 forks at github and the code doesn't even work on Linux x64 at all yet. Well, scons NOCURL=1 lets you build a working x86 binary, but yeah, no 64 bit build.
Re: D Parser in D
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 07:58:19 +1300, NMS wrote: Is there a D parser written in D? - C strings kill me. Thanks, NMS SDC[1] has one, but it's being lazy loaded in -- that is, it's not complete. [1]:http://github.com/bhelyer/SDC
If I use an extern (C) interface, can I use shared objects in Linux from DMD?
I don't need to share GC memory across instances or anything, but I would be interested in using a C interface if possible. If not, what's blocking it. If yes, how would one initialise the runtime? I know there's a Windows DLL article on the website, but I'm interested in Linux. I know GDC can do it for sure, but I'm interested in DMD's capabilities. Thanks, -Bernard.
Re: Chinese characters printing issue under windows
This is very useful information, so thank you for posting it, but this looks like something that Phobos should pick up automatically. I would note that the program works perfectly in Linux without the need for setting the locale, so I'd imagine its some encoding issue? Not really my area of expertise.
Re: SDC & ddmd
Hi, primary author of SDC here. Existing compilers (DMD, LDC, GDC, DDMD) all descend directly from the DMDFE. The DMDFE is thus the only real source of true semantics of the language, except where directly contradicted by Walter, Andrei, or TDPL. For the ecosystem to not become inbred, a new front-end is needed. Furthermore, like others, I have become frustrated at the various bugs of the frontend. These bugs are passed on to all other compilers because of the afore-mentioned ubiquity of the front-end. Lastly, I work on whatever interests me personally, not what other people believe to be where my resources would be placed. I do not need to defend myself to you.
Re: SDC & ddmd
We intend to be compatible with DMD to a point. Where we are not, will be through omission. Off the top of my head: *delete will not be implemented. *scope classes will not be implemented. *complex numbers will not be implemented. *version/debug levels will not be implemented, as their semantics are poorly documented, and I've never seen them used in any code anywhere. *C style function pointers will not be supported. *The D calling convention will not be matched, at least not in 1.0 (extern (D) is currently fastcall) *D's forward reference and module order bugs will not be supported. And others I've probably forgotten. In terms of release date, I can't really say, sorry. Currently working on the D interpreter for CTFE and constant expressions, if you're interested. :D -Bernard.
Re: SDC & ddmd
On Saturday, 10 December 2011 at 09:47:14 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote: On 12/10/2011 10:40 AM, Bernard Helyer wrote: We intend to be compatible with DMD to a point. Where we are not, will be through omission. Off the top of my head: [...] *D's forward reference and module order bugs will not be supported. [snip.] How is that an 'omission'? Just my lame attempt at humour. :P
Re: SDC & ddmd
On Saturday, 10 December 2011 at 09:51:08 UTC, Somedude wrote: Le 10/12/2011 08:54, Piotr Szturmaj a écrit : And it would be *far* more frustrating for the users, who would observe different behaviors and different bugs on different compilers. Hence that would mean that writing portable code necessits to test it with all compilers. Just like Javascript, HTML, C, C++, Ada, Perl, Fortran, Cobol, and any language in existence that's even remotely widely used?
Re: Why D const is annoying
On Saturday, 10 December 2011 at 11:11:44 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 12/10/2011 3:04 AM, Mehrdad wrote:
On 12/10/2011 3:01 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 12/10/2011 2:34 AM, Mehrdad wrote:
... and another...
struct Matrix(T, size_t N = 1)
{ public auto mul(Matrix!(T, N) other) const { return this;
} }
In general, to refer to the current template being expanded
from inside of it,
just give its name, as in:
Matrix!(T,N) => Matrix
That's not the issue.
If you say 'int' instead of size_t, it works fine.
That's because
Matrix!(int, cast(int)1)
is considered a different template instantiation (and hence a
different type) from
Matrix!(int, cast(uint)1)
Madness. I can't believe you think this is sane behaviour.
Re: SDC & ddmd
On Saturday, 10 December 2011 at 11:17:19 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote: On 12/10/2011 10:54 AM, Bernard Helyer wrote: On Saturday, 10 December 2011 at 09:47:14 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote: How is that an 'omission'? Just my lame attempt at humour. :P Should have thought of that. =) Do you already have a working design? I think what Don suggested (process static if and mixins in sequence... Nothing so elegant, I'm afraid. Each module has all top level declarations added to a list, SDC then iterates over the list trying to resolve them appropriately. If it can, it marks it as done and moves to the next. If it can't it increments the "can't resolve" counter and keeps going. If on a given loop the can't resolve counter is zero, then a source of top level declarations (static if, import statements, version blocks, etc) is added to the list. This keeps going until the entire list is handled, or we've hit an impossible situation. Rather simplistic, but we haven't had any trouble with it yet.
Re: SDC & ddmd
On Monday, 19 December 2011 at 22:59:37 UTC, Trass3r wrote: Are you building SDC in the same fashion as clang by chance where the pieces are modular and usable else ware? (such as the parser being able to be used in an ide?) It isn't as well-conceived. Hence the name, it started out as a toy project and didn't have Clang-like goals in mind. For example last time I looked there was no proper interface between the parser and "consumers". Instead an AST is always built. Errors were processed by simply throwing exceptions etc. and the code was sparsely documented. You'd think making the first letter stand for 'stupid' would tip people off. :P
Re: CURL Wrapper: Vote Thread
Yes.
Re: Compiler for multiple languages, including D
On Thursday, 5 January 2012 at 23:08:14 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Thursday, 5 January 2012 at 22:53:10 UTC, Stewart Gordon wrote: Or is it really not an online compiler, but rather an online interface to a collection of compilers that the author has on his computer? Um... yes. What did you expect? o_O The mednafen or MAME of compilers, obviously.
Re: [OT] Programming language WATs
On Friday, 20 January 2012 at 15:40:44 UTC, Robert Clipsham wrote:
Just came across this amusing 4 minute video:
https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
Anyone have any other WATs you can do in other languages? Bonus
points for WATs you can do in D.
void main()
{
import std.stdio;
auto a = cast(int[]) [cast(ushort)1, cast(ushort) 2];
writeln(a);
auto b = [cast(ushort) 1, cast(ushort) 2];
auto c = cast(int[]) b;
writeln(c);
}
Can gc_stats be exposed through core.memory?
With a big fat "subject to change use at own risk" warning attached?
Re: Do we need Win95/98/Me support?
On Monday, 23 January 2012 at 11:15:02 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: [1] I don't even know what the fuck to call any of them anymore. "Window manager", "Desktop Environment", "Shell", "Compositor", and if I'm not mistaken there's even some damn hybrids or some such, and some can be used together, some can't, bleh. A window manager handles window bar controls, positions of new windows, and the like. A shell is merely a term for something that allows input to the OS. A compositor takes the pixels pushed by other parts of the stack and applies GL magic to them. A Desktop Environment takes several of the above and packs them together in a single environment to create something (hopefully) cohesive. They're all the same damn things as far as I can tell :/ That's because you don't know what you're talking about. :P
Re: A modest proposal
On Tuesday, 24 January 2012 at 02:17:09 UTC, Trass3r wrote: Adapt the bot or configure your client to ignore the bot. Plain simple. You know who else configured their client to ignore bots? Bin Laden. You thought I was going to say Hitler, didn't you? Well that's silly, Hitler was long dead before the invention of ARPANET, let alone the IRC protocol. I don't know how I can take technical advice from someone so confused about the timeline of history.
Re: Can't the dmd source files finally get a proper C++ file extension?
On Tuesday, 24 January 2012 at 02:35:43 UTC, Trass3r wrote: It's really annoying. clang++ gives a lot of warnings and IDEs are confused as well. Queue Walter saying that it's needed for some ancient platform D has never and will never exist/ed on in three... two...
Re: A modest proposal
On Tuesday, 24 January 2012 at 03:01:25 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Monday, January 23, 2012 19:52:27 Brad Anderson wrote: Jonathan, Swiftly closing them is causing real pain for some of us. Certainly he could fix them and keep a log of the ones he fixed then actually close, say, 3 a day on bugzilla so it wouldn't be so noisy. Considering that what's doing is primarily focused on commenting and potentially closing bugs, not necessarily fixing them, it wouldn't make any sense to keep track of it himself and then go back later to actually comment on them and potentially close them. It would be the same as slowing down what he's doing over a much longer period. And 3 a day would be insanely slow in comparison to what he's actually doing. I'm sure that it's much more effective for him to just do it all now and move on. I'm sorry, but you're just going to have to deal with it. It won't last long, and it needs to be done. - Jonathan M Davis FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GOOGLE A MODERATE PROPOSAL I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE WHY ARE YOU ALL GERMAN OR SOMETHING OH GOD
Re: A modest proposal
On Tuesday, 24 January 2012 at 03:52:25 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Bernard Helyer" wrote in message news:zqqqybjeqepidctwz...@dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net... On Tuesday, 24 January 2012 at 03:01:25 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Monday, January 23, 2012 19:52:27 Brad Anderson wrote: Jonathan, Swiftly closing them is causing real pain for some of us. Certainly he could fix them and keep a log of the ones he fixed then actually close, say, 3 a day on bugzilla so it wouldn't be so noisy. Considering that what's doing is primarily focused on commenting and potentially closing bugs, not necessarily fixing them, it wouldn't make any sense to keep track of it himself and then go back later to actually comment on them and potentially close them. It would be the same as slowing down what he's doing over a much longer period. And 3 a day would be insanely slow in comparison to what he's actually doing. I'm sure that it's much more effective for him to just do it all now and move on. I'm sorry, but you're just going to have to deal with it. It won't last long, and it needs to be done. - Jonathan M Davis FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GOOGLE A MODERATE PROPOSAL I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE WHY ARE YOU ALL GERMAN OR SOMETHING OH GOD Walter already made reference to baby-eating. I was referring to Jonathan's seeming inability to get the joke. :P
Re: A modest proposal
On Tuesday, 24 January 2012 at 05:25:59 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Monday, January 23, 2012 21:58:18 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Wait, Brad was being funny. No? Well, if he was, it went completely over my head. - Jonathan M Davis Jonathan, Swiftly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathon_Swift *bernard slams his head against his desk a few times then passes out*
Re: C/C++ backend for DMD?
On Wednesday, 25 January 2012 at 12:03:15 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: wrote in message news:op.v8mxx6s9xa30qa@marton-pc... Hi, I have been thinking . Would not C and C++ backend would make DMD more versatile? D language could be used in many platforms easily. D language could be used in .net and elsewhere. It could be compiled with other language that are also translated into C/C++. I think LDC can do that...At least in theory anyway, since LLVM has a C backend. It does, but they tell you not to use it. Make of that what you will.
Why not allow people to submit name:url associations for dman?
I've found myself using dman more than I thought I would, but it is a little annoying when it fails to find a page and I navigate to it manually -- I wouldn't mind if I could improve dman for the next release. Perhaps a text file on GitHub we could submit pull requests to? Thanks, -Bernard.
Re: Opinion of February 2012
On Saturday, 4 February 2012 at 20:58:23 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 2/3/2012 4:11 PM, bearophile wrote: Aren't less than 10 minutes enough to fix this simple problem? I don't know why Walter likes to use ".c" as suffix for those files, I don't remember his answers on this topic, I have never appreciated this naming decision. Back in the day, when most of this was started and the African continent was still attached to South America, the following extensions were in wide use for C++ files: .cpp .c++ .cxx .C (that's capital C; obviously that never worked on Windows) .c (and corresponding .h suffixes). None of them achieved any dominance. I myself used .cpp/.hpp for a while, and simply grew tired of it. The compiler sources were originally in C, and when they were converted to C++ it was easier to just keep the same file names (and yes, .c was also in wide use for C++). All the C++ compilers accepted .c files, distinguishing by using a switch (dmc -cpp) or by name (gcc/g++). It just was never any problem. For me, I find worrying about it about as productive as arguing whether tabs should be set to 4 or 8. Except it consistently confuses people and tools. .cpp or .cc is all I see nowadays, and DMD should modernise. Things may have been different in the (eighteen) eighties, but get with the times!
[OT] I ported Empire to D2 and made it cross platform.
I've tried multiple times to contact Walter through his websites, but apparently _that's_ a dead end so... http://i.imgur.com/DzrN6.png Look at it! The selection pulses! Empire's never looked so good! There are some rough edges; the save games fail to load, demo isn't working, the text log isn't cleared correctly. But other than that you can happily play a game right through. I can't put the code anywhere because distribution is prohibited, so this is my last ditch effort to contact Walter. -Bernard.
Re: libphobos.so libdruntime.so
On Sunday, 5 February 2012 at 03:58:03 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Static linking has its advantages too, but as far as phobos and druntime are concerned, dynamic linking would be way way better. Bollocks. In the general case (which is silly to talk about, I'll admit) I'd take static linking every time. Sure, it increases the size of the executable, but if I'm distributing my app, I'm almost certainly distributing libphobos.so with it, so that's moot. As has been said, Phobos/druntime changes often enough that relying on it being present on the users system is ridiculous. This isn't to say being able to dynamically link Phobos and druntime is undesirable, it isn't. But even if it were an option, I would still statically link them to my apps.
Re: [OT] I ported Empire to D2 and made it cross platform.
On Monday, 6 February 2012 at 04:33:56 UTC, Caligo wrote: On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Bernard Helyer wrote: I've tried multiple times to contact Walter through his websites, but apparently _that's_ a dead end so... http://i.imgur.com/DzrN6.png Look at it! The selection pulses! Empire's never looked so good! There are some rough edges; the save games fail to load, demo isn't working, the text log isn't cleared correctly. But other than that you can happily play a game right through. I can't put the code anywhere because distribution is prohibited, so this is my last ditch effort to contact Walter. -Bernard. So I presume that you modified the source code slightly to make it work? Or is it a complete rewrite? Yeah, it's a port of the D1 code with various things replaced as needed.
Re: [OT] I ported Empire to D2 and made it cross platform.
On Monday, 6 February 2012 at 12:42:31 UTC, Stewart Gordon wrote: On 06/02/2012 02:44, Bernard Helyer wrote: I've tried multiple times to contact Walter through his websites, but apparently _that's_ a dead end so... http://i.imgur.com/DzrN6.png Look at it! The selection pulses! Empire's never looked so good! And it has a retro look to it. But why is the first option just an "A" by itself? It pulses. It's just nearly transparent. :P There are some rough edges; the save games fail to load, demo isn't working, the text log isn't cleared correctly. BTW which version did you start from? In my version I completely rewrote the text display as what we had was geared towards a character-cell display, which was no good with it using a proportional font. I think I found that some existing saved games wouldn't load, but there's no problem loading games that were saved with that same version. I started with Walter's original 2.01 D release. The font I'm using is proportional, so I've not a problem there. Your version was also in D1, was it not? I think something subtle may have borked. I'm sure it's fixable if I sit down and fix it, but seeing as it's forbidden to languishing on my hard-drive, I'm not sure I give enough fucks to do that. But other than that you can happily play a game right through. I can't put the code anywhere because distribution is prohibited, so this is my last ditch effort to contact Walter. The version I've contributed I emailed to Walter and he eventually put it up on the website. Is there any reason the same can't be done in this instance? Up to Walter, obviously.
Re: [OT] I ported Empire to D2 and made it cross platform.
On Monday, 6 February 2012 at 10:55:22 UTC, Mattbeui wrote: The source code is open or you did reverse engineering? On classicempire.com there's a version for windows written in an old version of D (old enough that it wouldn't even compile with a modern copy of DMD1). I took that code and ported it to D2 and a cross platform engine at the same time. The source is _available_, however, not open. I can look at it and do the above, but I may not give anyone else my version.
Re: [OT] I ported Empire to D2 and made it cross platform.
On Monday, 6 February 2012 at 18:04:24 UTC, Stewart Gordon wrote: On 06/02/2012 13:48, Bernard Helyer wrote: I started with Walter's original 2.01 D release. The font I'm using is proportional, so I've not a problem there. You mean "The font I'm using is fixed"? You'd have to for it to make any sense. Derp. Yeah. But do look at the StatusPanel class in my version if you haven't already. (You'll notice that it's a bit of a hack that works because the code treats strings passed into it as immutable, although immutable doesn't exist with it being D1. Of course, when porting to D2, they would be declared as such. BTW I've attached my list of bugs I found and changes I made. Use it as a checklist if you like (and you find the inclination to carry on working on it). Thanks! Stewart.
Re: [OT] I ported Empire to D2 and made it cross platform.
On Tuesday, 7 February 2012 at 06:18:24 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 2/6/2012 4:42 AM, Stewart Gordon wrote: The version I've contributed I emailed to Walter and he eventually put it up on the website. Is there any reason the same can't be done in this instance? Nope. Send it to me. Awesome. Will do once I'm done.
Re: Why I don't want D to expand
I understand you have daddy issues that come out when you drink, but can't you start a diary or something?
Re: Why I don't want D to expand
On Wednesday, 8 February 2012 at 08:19:28 UTC, Bee wrote: Bernard Helyer wrote: I understand you have daddy issues that come out when you drink, but can't you start a diary or something? You are saying what, you lil prick? I'm saying you get drunk and post random shit because your daddy didn't give you enough hugs. :P
Re: D-
On Saturday, 11 February 2012 at 02:13:19 UTC, Tim Krimm wrote: If you make a subset of D, it would most likely be named Mini-D. But at that point you've got an enhanced C without going C++. Yes and that probably would be better than what I have now. Going back and forth programming in C/C++ today, and then switching back to D tomorrow. Let me see if I remember again, classes and structures are almost the same in C++ but different in D. Well I did the assignment A=B, if I change A will it also change B, or is B a copy of A. Is A a class or a structure that is an important distinction in D. Today, Oh crap I forgot the #include Tomorrow, Oh crap I forgot the import Oh crap what was that syntax for initializing the class variables again. "I'm incompetent so I want to fork the language"
Re: Why I don't want D to expand
On Sunday, 12 February 2012 at 06:38:25 UTC, Adam wrote: Bernard Helyer wrote: On Wednesday, 8 February 2012 at 08:19:28 UTC, Bee wrote: Bernard Helyer wrote: I understand you have daddy issues that come out when you drink, but can't you start a diary or something? You are saying what, you lil prick? I'm saying you get drunk and post random shit because your daddy didn't give you enough hugs. :P I get it now: you are "spilling". I can't help you with your dad crap. One must wonder about some president forcing his cum to become everyones topic of discussion. I don't think he is "the president", I think he is crime. You can call it "politician", but isn't that akin to "get out of jail free"? Next "president" puh leeze. If there is a war, and there is a president, shouldn't he and his ... be the first ones dead? I don't think anyone wants a war. I think a lot of people capitalize on the concept of "war", and they are bad in doing that, and I hate them. Don't stop hating those that wrong you. Do hate those who do. Else you give the proverbial blank check to evil. You dance so well. Keep dancing.
Re: Why I don't want D to expand
On Sunday, 12 February 2012 at 14:31:44 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Bernard Helyer" wrote in message news:gtnbsoxlyvmpbptup...@dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net... On Sunday, 12 February 2012 at 06:38:25 UTC, Adam wrote: Bernard Helyer wrote: On Wednesday, 8 February 2012 at 08:19:28 UTC, Bee wrote: Bernard Helyer wrote: I understand you have daddy issues that come out when you drink, but can't you start a diary or something? You are saying what, you lil prick? I'm saying you get drunk and post random shit because your daddy didn't give you enough hugs. :P I get it now: you are "spilling". I can't help you with your dad crap. One must wonder about some president forcing his cum to become everyones topic of discussion. I don't think he is "the president", I think he is crime. You can call it "politician", but isn't that akin to "get out of jail free"? Next "president" puh leeze. If there is a war, and there is a president, shouldn't he and his ... be the first ones dead? I don't think anyone wants a war. I think a lot of people capitalize on the concept of "war", and they are bad in doing that, and I hate them. Don't stop hating those that wrong you. Do hate those who do. Else you give the proverbial blank check to evil. You dance so well. Keep dancing. --- | | | Please| | don't feed | | the trolls | | | --- | | | | // But this one is such fun!
Re: newbie -- how to build module?
On Monday, 13 February 2012 at 19:27:39 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 2/13/2012 6:15 AM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote: Are there group charters? Not much beyond the descriptions here: http://digitalmars.com/NewsGroup.html We're pretty informal. I read that last word as 'normal' and was about to make an objection. :P
Re: VisualD Console WIndow Disappears
On Wednesday, 15 February 2012 at 07:27:56 UTC, RedShift wrote: So, I'm just starting to get into D, using the extension for VS called Visual D. Is there any way to stop the console from disappearing like in C++? Like C + F5 (which doesn't seem to work). Or like a getline? Just pop a stdin.readln call at the bottom of your program?
Re: The Right Approach to Exceptions
On Sunday, 19 February 2012 at 02:27:07 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 2/18/12 6:28 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Saturday, February 18, 2012 17:53:52 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 2/18/12 5:47 PM, Jakob Ovrum wrote: you are basically arguing against exceptions here I must have argued my question and point very poorly. You definitely seem to be arguing for a single Exception type No. Yes. Bernard (This game is fun!)
Re: empty arrays and cast(bool): WAT
On Sunday, 19 February 2012 at 03:33:14 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote: That would potentially break code. It would also potentially fix code. Well that's the stupidest thing I've read today. Can you point to people using it in the way that you expect? Besides which, that's just about the worst way to fix bugs in code is to change the language's behaviour.
Re: empty arrays and cast(bool): WAT
On Sunday, 19 February 2012 at 04:01:45 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote: On 02/19/2012 04:56 AM, Bernard Helyer wrote: On Sunday, 19 February 2012 at 03:33:14 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote: That would potentially break code. It would also potentially fix code. Well that's the stupidest thing I've read today. Can you point to people using it in the way that you expect? Besides which, that's just about the worst way to fix bugs in code is to change the language's behaviour. I was not being entirely serious here... Do you have any opinion about the topic? I think it's too late to change the behaviour, and it's not too terrible, even if un-ideal.
Re: std.collection lets rename it into std,ridiculous.
Maybe when you learn to type like an adult people will listen to you?
Re: std.collection lets rename it into std,ridiculous.
On Monday, 20 February 2012 at 00:29:20 UTC, bls wrote: On 02/19/2012 04:05 PM, Bernard Helyer wrote: Maybe when you learn to type like an adult people will listen to you? Facts, that's what I am are talking about. If you don't like my speak ...sorry. My point is that D2 needs asap a working container/collection lib (and I think the "How to allocate/de-allocate" question becomes more and more ridiculous. That Stuff is meanwhile library based.. Typedef f.i.) So why not plug- in an allocator. ? When you use words on the internet people judge you based on your words. There's more to proposals than technical merits, and if you don't understand that that's fine, but don't be surprised when people dismiss you quickly. People filter information because they have to -- they'll take any excuse to ignore you. Don't make it _easy_ for them.
Re: Safe navigation operator
On Monday, 20 February 2012 at 00:55:15 UTC, Alex Rønne Petersen wrote: Hi, http://groovy.codehaus.org/Operators#Operators-SafeNavigationOperator What do you folks think about this? Would it be useful to have in D? It would make navigating large object graphs with possible null values much easier. The traditional counter point to this is that it encourages bad/lazy design. I don't really agree, but I don't ache for it either.
Re: Questions about windows support
Nick replied to something about globbing Having programs doing the globbing sounds great until you run into someone who doesn't play ball. *cough* every single digital mars utility *cough*. I think Windows and unix both get it wrong, but unix gets it less wrong (as it could theoretically be annoying, but in practice I just escape it and move on, but working around a non-globbing program is just annoying). Wot I think should happen: the runtime (say libc) should handle globbing of arguments, and it should be enabled by default. So if someone wants an app that handles wildcards specially, they can do that, but for most apps it'll just work™. I don't think this really meshes with the traditional main signature of just passing the strings as arguments. Perhaps just a non_globbed_args function or something. Bt things are pretty much set in stone at this point.
dmd -c behaviour doesn't take account of packages.
A discussion on the Mono-D IRC channel just made me realise something. dmd -c foo/a.d bar/a.d The second module overwrites the first. This makes using 'pass everything at once' with Mono-D (IDE plugin) difficult/impossible. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a bug that's never come up. The solution is trivial, of course. Prepend package names so you get foo_a.o and bar_a.o. Either that or allow specific output paths to be specified per-object. Or just produce one object file. Anything _but_ the current behaviour, in fact.
Re: dmd -c behaviour doesn't take account of packages.
On Wednesday, 22 February 2012 at 22:05:51 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Then what happens when you have dmc -c foo/a.d foo_a.d Good point. Regardless, I really wouldn't like the idea of screwing with the object file names to try and avoid collisions. Well, the thing is in this case everything is being passed to the compiler. It knows the names of everything. But yeah, I think complaining is fine _if_ dmd allows individual modules to be named explicitly. Otherwise, all in one is good. But really, even prefixing it would be better than what we have now. What about 'module.foo_a.o' if foo_a isn't in a package?
Re: dmd -c behaviour doesn't take account of packages.
On Wednesday, 22 February 2012 at 22:44:15 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Wednesday, February 22, 2012 23:33:57 Bernard Helyer wrote: On Wednesday, 22 February 2012 at 22:05:51 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: > Then what happens when you have > > dmc -c foo/a.d foo_a.d Good point. > Regardless, I really wouldn't like the idea of screwing with > the object file > names to try and avoid collisions. Well, the thing is in this case everything is being passed to the compiler. It knows the names of everything. But yeah, I think complaining is fine _if_ dmd allows individual modules to be named explicitly. Otherwise, all in one is good. But really, even prefixing it would be better than what we have now. What about 'module.foo_a.o' if foo_a isn't in a package? I really think that it should either put it in a single object file or complain and disallow it. Really, the correct way to build such modules is to put each object file in a directory hierarchy which matches the modules. Anything else is a mess. But that's the job a build tool, not the compiler. Except DMD is faster by a factor of 10 when passing it all at once.
Re: dmd -c behaviour doesn't take account of packages.
On Thursday, 23 February 2012 at 21:28:17 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 01:42:44PM +0100, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2012-02-23 00:03, Jonathan M Davis wrote: >On Wednesday, February 22, 2012 23:50:53 Bernard Helyer wrote: >>Except DMD is faster by a factor of 10 when passing it all >>at once. > >Then maybe there _should_ be a flag to tell it to >use/generate the >appropriate directory structure. You already typically give >it an >output directory. It wouldn't be all that hard for it to then >generate and use the correct directories in that directory. >That >still bugs me a little, because that's more of a build tool's >job, >but it wouldn't be hard to do, would fix the file conflicts >across >modules, and would let you keep that extra speed. > >- Jonathan M Davis I don't see a point in putting the object files in different directories when the compiler can output the object files with fully qualified module names. [...] Because ambiguity can arise. Like my/module/A.d -> my_module_A.o my_module_A.d -> my_module_A.o (conflict) my_module/A.d -> my_module_A.o (conflict) my/module_A.d -> my_module_A.o (conflict) Granted, this is a really contrived example, but unexpected coincidences like that do happen. T Did you not read what Jacob posted? my.module.A.o my_module_A.o my_module.A.o my.module_A.o No conflicts.
Re: dmd -c behaviour doesn't take account of packages.
On Thursday, 23 February 2012 at 23:06:56 UTC, Bernard Helyer wrote: Did you not read what Jacob posted? my.module.A.o my_module_A.o my_module.A.o my.module_A.o No conflicts. Also, you can't have a package called module.
Can someone decipher this moon speak for me? (abi - calling conventions)
http://dlang.org/abi.html "The extern (C) and extern (D) calling convention matches the C calling convention used by the supported C compiler on the host system. Except that the extern (D) calling convention for Windows x86 is described here." Was this written by someone slamming their face onto the keyboard repeatedly? Is the calling convention just C on non-windows platforms? What about AMD64? Why should I, as someone writing a D implementation, burn cycles on trying to decypher this madness? Didn't this section _used_ to make sense? To summarise: fucking what?
Re: Can someone decipher this moon speak for me? (abi - calling conventions)
So as near as I can tell, it's trying to say "On non-Windows platforms, both extern (C) and extern (D) match the calling convention of the platforms C compiler. On Windows, the extern (D) calling convention differs, and is documented below:" Is this accurate? If so, there's is no way I am wasting my time with the D calling convention. I'm not wrangling LLVM into producing DM OMF, so binary compatibility isn't going to happen anyway. If not, then I have no idea.
Re: Can someone decipher this moon speak for me? (abi - calling conventions)
On Thursday, 1 March 2012 at 06:07:40 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: For x86-32 dmd uses a fastcall, where EAX can contain a parameter, for Windows AND all other supported OSes. ._.; Well, that's nice to know, thanks. Because we (SDC) use fastcall for D, just (we thought) as a temporary measure. But seriously, I don't think one can gather that information even if they can recognise fastcall from the technical description.
Re: Poll of the week: main OS and compiler
On Friday, 2 March 2012 at 11:53:56 UTC, Manu wrote: Personally, I just want to be able to link like a normal windows developer. My code is C/C++, built with VC, and I want to link my D app against those libs using the VC linker, and debug with Visual Studio. This is the workflow I think the vast majority of Windows devs will expect, and it sounds simple enough. This is the only thing standing between me using D for any major projects, and just experimenting with the language for evaluation, or just academic interest. 64bit is far less important to me personally, VisualC linker compatibility is the big one. I just want to link against my C code without jumping through lots of hoops. No one thinks that's a bad idea. The trouble is the amount of developers that actually understand the backend enough to implement another object format (which is what's needed to support the VisualC linker) is very small. What's needed is someone to take the time to learn it then do it. Someone motivated, and smart. Not unlike yourself! :P
Re: Arbitrary abbreviations in phobos considered ridiculous
On Wednesday, 7 March 2012 at 18:39:41 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Adam D. Ruppe" wrote in message news:sgmfyzmrfygshlmfq...@forum.dlang.org... On Tuesday, 6 March 2012 at 20:20:47 UTC, Derek wrote: Should we use American or English spelling? Color verses Colour, for example? I can go either way. I lean toward English spelling though, simply because America is the exceptional country (in the world and on the newsgroup too) in this regard. British English may be the more "official" English, with American English as a mere variation, but AIUI, the "de facto international language" is American English, not British English, as a result of the US being a long-time major economic superpower (for better or worse). England used to be a major superpower, but that was centuries ago, and from what I can tell, American English seems to be the preferred "de facto standard" English now. But, either option is better than "Clr" or "Col". "clr" is the verb "clear" and "col" is "column" :) In my programs I use British English because that's what I use, and anything else looks 'wrong' to me. If the API is particularly public, I usually provide an alias. Then again, I'm just a colonial hick, so what would I know? :P
Re: Poll of the week: main OS and compiler
On Thursday, 8 March 2012 at 09:25:19 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Thursday, March 08, 2012 09:45:34 David Nadlinger wrote: On Saturday, 3 March 2012 at 11:44:54 UTC, Daniel Murphy wrote: > Walter, how big is it really? Small enough to be done as, > say, > a gsoc > project? Would you be interested in mentoring such a > project? I don't know whether it would really be a problem from a legal (Google) point of view, but having a GSoC student work on non-Open Source software seems strange at least. I though that GSoC had a list of licenses which were acceptable for GSoC projects - all of which are open source license of one variety or another. - Jonathan M Davis That's his point; the backend isn't open source.
Re: [OT] Smoking sections (Was: Arbitrary abbreviations in phobos considered ridiculous)
On Friday, 9 March 2012 at 07:02:47 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Friday, March 09, 2012 01:45:13 Nick Sabalausky wrote: "H. S. Teoh" wrote in message news:mailman.289.1331260526.4860.digitalmar...@puremagic.com... [...] > T That's one great thing about Ohio: A few years back we had a state law passed here (by public vote! I had been convinced it wouldn't pass) prohibiting smoking in workplaces and public buildings/businesses. That includes, of course, restaurants. No more smoking sections! I feel so spoiled now when I travel to a state that still has public indoor smoking. It's like stepping back into the stone age. I'm from California, where it's been illegal to smoke in restaurants for 15+ years now, and it always shocks me to see a smoking section in restaurants in other states. It's not something that I even think about. - Jonathan M Davis I smoke, but smoking inside is weird to me. I'll do it sometimes in my own home, but even then not usually.
Re: Changing the name of the language?
On Friday, 16 March 2012 at 02:17:13 UTC, ixid wrote: Do you think a minor renaming like using Dlang as the name consistently would be damaging? Yes. Changing it now is an incredibly stupid idea.
Re: OpenBSD port of dmd?
On Sunday, 18 March 2012 at 00:53:17 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/17/2012 5:40 PM, Sean Kelly wrote: In truth it would be else version (Posix) Anyway, which isn't the bare else Walter was advising against. And is Posix really predictably compatible across diverse systems? If you restrict yourself to the LCD stuff, yeah mostly. The trouble is you get various nicer ways of doing things that aren't (as) portable.
Re: virtual-by-default rant
On Sunday, 18 March 2012 at 01:23:42 UTC, Manu wrote: My minimum recommendation: D needs an explicit 'virtual' keyword, and to fix that D1 bug, so putting final: at the top of your class works, and everything from there works as it should. Agreed. Final by default is a proposition long gone, but that seems reasonable.
Re: OpenBSD port of dmd?
On Sunday, 18 March 2012 at 04:04:30 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote: On Mar 17, 2012, at 6:00 PM, "Bernard Helyer" wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2012 at 00:53:17 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 3/17/2012 5:40 PM, Sean Kelly wrote: In truth it would be else version (Posix) Anyway, which isn't the bare else Walter was advising against. And is Posix really predictably compatible across diverse systems? If you restrict yourself to the LCD stuff, yeah mostly. The trouble is you get various nicer ways of doing things that aren't (as) portable. For what it's worth, core.sys.posix is based on the OpenGroup spec. I suppose that's the LCD. Yeah, I've not had problems with the OG stuff.
