Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
"Timon Gehr" wrote in message
news:it0cp6$2fdt$1...@digitalmars.com...
>
> T shirt;
> struct T{
>T lousy(T)(T arg){return arg;}
>T submitArticle(Article){
>return this.lousy!T(shirt);
>}
> }
> struct Article{};
>
I like that :)
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 11/06/2011 19:35, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 6/11/11 1:39 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
On 11/06/2011 14:28, Alix Pexton wrote:
On 11/06/2011 14:00, Mafi wrote:
Am 11.06.2011 14:33, schrieb Alix Pexton:
It is by no means a final design, but perhaps a starting point, so
suggestions welcome.
What about:
/++ I wrote an article about D and all I got was ++/
this.Lousy!T shirt;
//d-programming-language.org
I thought about that, I wasn't sure it would parse as valid D code><
[snip.]
This would: (with minimal context)
T shirt;
struct T{
T lousy(T)(T arg){return arg;}
T submitArticle(Article){
return this.lousy!T(shirt);
}
}
struct Article{};
Timon
We don't have (g|m)onads if we don't make it a range.
Andrei
I think it is possible to take the d-ification too far ><
A...
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 6/11/11 1:39 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
On 11/06/2011 14:28, Alix Pexton wrote:
On 11/06/2011 14:00, Mafi wrote:
Am 11.06.2011 14:33, schrieb Alix Pexton:
It is by no means a final design, but perhaps a starting point, so
suggestions welcome.
What about:
/++ I wrote an article about D and all I got was ++/
this.Lousy!T shirt;
//d-programming-language.org
I thought about that, I wasn't sure it would parse as valid D code><
[snip.]
This would: (with minimal context)
T shirt;
struct T{
T lousy(T)(T arg){return arg;}
T submitArticle(Article){
return this.lousy!T(shirt);
}
}
struct Article{};
Timon
We don't have (g|m)onads if we don't make it a range.
Andrei
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 11/06/2011 14:28, Alix Pexton wrote:
> On 11/06/2011 14:00, Mafi wrote:
>> Am 11.06.2011 14:33, schrieb Alix Pexton:
>>>
>>> It is by no means a final design, but perhaps a starting point, so
>>> suggestions welcome.
>>
>> What about:
>> /++ I wrote an article about D and all I got was ++/
>> this.Lousy!T shirt;
>>
>> //d-programming-language.org
>
> I thought about that, I wasn't sure it would parse as valid D code ><
> [snip.]
This would: (with minimal context)
T shirt;
struct T{
T lousy(T)(T arg){return arg;}
T submitArticle(Article){
return this.lousy!T(shirt);
}
}
struct Article{};
Timon
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 11/06/2011 14:28, Alix Pexton wrote:
On 11/06/2011 14:00, Mafi wrote:
Am 11.06.2011 14:33, schrieb Alix Pexton:
It is by no means a final design, but perhaps a starting point, so
suggestions welcome.
What about:
/++ I wrote an article about D and all I got was ++/
this.Lousy!T shirt;
//d-programming-language.org
I thought about that, I wasn't sure it would parse as valid D code ><
also, the difference in the line lengths/breaks is less aesthetically
pleasing (imho)...
I also considered...
/++ I wrote an article about D
and all I got was ++/
this(){
Lousy!T shirt;
}
which I know is valid, albeit, pointless D, but it also has a less
appealing shape (imho)...
A...
I prefer the initial one. I'd happily acquire such a shirt if one was
available.
--
Robert
http://octarineparrot.com/
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 11/06/2011 06:50, Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Robert Clipsham" wrote in message news:issvrr$qn3$2...@digitalmars.com... You seem to be using cafe press for your other merchandise, there's a tool on there for custom t-shirts. http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/makeadesign2.aspx?clear=true&no=321&color=6#designer It's probably easier to do it through there. If not, I could probably make an image. Also, hate to be a grammar nazi, but that should probably be "I wrote this article /about/ D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt". Not to be a bikeshed painter, but I'd suggest "I wrote /an/ article..." Having "this" in both predicates sounds repetitive. Plus, "this" suggests that the article is nearby. Muphry's law that I missed that :< (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law before you complain about my spelling) (Where the hell did that last paragraph I wrote come from? I *know* I didn't pay *that* much attention in English class!) I've also noticed that my ability to write correct English has improved dramatically since I stopped learning it formally. -- Robert http://octarineparrot.com/
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 11/06/2011 14:00, Mafi wrote:
Am 11.06.2011 14:33, schrieb Alix Pexton:
It is by no means a final design, but perhaps a starting point, so
suggestions welcome.
What about:
/++ I wrote an article about D and all I got was ++/
this.Lousy!T shirt;
//d-programming-language.org
I thought about that, I wasn't sure it would parse as valid D code ><
also, the difference in the line lengths/breaks is less aesthetically
pleasing (imho)...
I also considered...
/++ I wrote an article about D
and all I got was ++/
this(){
Lousy!T shirt;
}
which I know is valid, albeit, pointless D, but it also has a less
appealing shape (imho)...
A...
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
Am 11.06.2011 14:33, schrieb Alix Pexton: It is by no means a final design, but perhaps a starting point, so suggestions welcome. What about: /++ I wrote an article about D and all I got was ++/ this.Lousy!T shirt; //d-programming-language.org
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 10/06/2011 09:56, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/9/2011 5:10 PM, Robert Clipsham wrote: On 10/06/2011 00:40, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: [snip] "I wrote this article on D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt" -Steve I would happily accept this as my runners up prize. If someone wants to edit up an image for a lousy!T shirt, I can see about getting it produced. I think I made the attached the right size for printing on the "pocket" area of a t-shirt from cafepress. I think it may alternatively work well printed across the shoulders, which would be a little larger. I've made the changes to the wording that have been suggested by some others in this thread, and applied minimal "d-ification". K.I.S. etc... It is by no means a final design, but perhaps a starting point, so suggestions welcome. A... P.S. consider it Public Domain :) <>
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
Am 11.06.2011 07:50, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
> "Robert Clipsham" wrote in message
> news:issvrr$qn3$2...@digitalmars.com...
>>
>> You seem to be using cafe press for your other merchandise, there's a tool
>> on there for custom t-shirts.
>>
>> http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/makeadesign2.aspx?clear=true&no=321&color=6#designer
>>
>> It's probably easier to do it through there. If not, I could probably make
>> an image.
>>
>> Also, hate to be a grammar nazi, but that should probably be "I wrote this
>> article /about/ D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt".
>>
>
> Not to be a bikeshed painter, but I'd suggest "I wrote /an/ article..."
> Having "this" in both predicates sounds repetitive. Plus, "this" suggests
> that the article is nearby.
>
> (Where the hell did that last paragraph I wrote come from? I *know* I didn't
> pay *that* much attention in English class!)
>
>
>
I'd suggest D instead of English.
Something like
writeArticle("D", "");
shirts ~= lousy!T(shirt);
or something smarter ;)
Cheers,
- Daniel
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
"Steven Schveighoffer" wrote in message news:op.vwu617s0eav7ka@localhost.localdomain... > On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:31:53 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer > wrote: > >> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 07:36:10 -0400, Robert Clipsham >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Also, hate to be a grammar nazi, but that should probably be "I wrote >>> this article /about/ D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt". >>> >> >> Considering this was a *writing* contest, it should probably be >> grammatically correct :) > > That reminds me, at my former company, we had a release of a BSD-based > appliance. The marketing department thought it would be clever to give us > all mugs that said \dev\mug. > > I had to change it to forward slashes with a sharpie, I just couldn't look > at it without that :) > Heh :) I think good advice in general is "If you're going to do something, mind the details."
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
"Robert Clipsham" wrote in message news:issvrr$qn3$2...@digitalmars.com... > > You seem to be using cafe press for your other merchandise, there's a tool > on there for custom t-shirts. > > http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/makeadesign2.aspx?clear=true&no=321&color=6#designer > > It's probably easier to do it through there. If not, I could probably make > an image. > > Also, hate to be a grammar nazi, but that should probably be "I wrote this > article /about/ D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt". > Not to be a bikeshed painter, but I'd suggest "I wrote /an/ article..." Having "this" in both predicates sounds repetitive. Plus, "this" suggests that the article is nearby. (Where the hell did that last paragraph I wrote come from? I *know* I didn't pay *that* much attention in English class!)
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:31:53 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 07:36:10 -0400, Robert Clipsham wrote: Also, hate to be a grammar nazi, but that should probably be "I wrote this article /about/ D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt". Considering this was a *writing* contest, it should probably be grammatically correct :) That reminds me, at my former company, we had a release of a BSD-based appliance. The marketing department thought it would be clever to give us all mugs that said \dev\mug. I had to change it to forward slashes with a sharpie, I just couldn't look at it without that :) -Steve
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 07:36:10 -0400, Robert Clipsham wrote: Also, hate to be a grammar nazi, but that should probably be "I wrote this article /about/ D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt". Considering this was a *writing* contest, it should probably be grammatically correct :) -Steve
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 09/06/2011 02:57, Brad Roberts wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Moritz Warning wrote: Congratulations to both winners! Pfft, if I have had time to vote, I might have robbed one of his prize (sorry Brad). :) I hadn't brought it up yet, but the fact that there were only 25 votes is, really, fairly sad. I too didn't vote. I know this community is _far_ larger than 25 people. Heck, even the number of posters to this forum is larger. Why? Later, Brad In my case, I haven't read the articles, didn't have the time yet. It's not just the articles though, other more in-depth stuff I haven't yet had the time to go look into it (for example, TDPL itself). So that's why I didn't vote... -- Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 10/06/2011 09:56, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/9/2011 5:10 PM, Robert Clipsham wrote:
On 10/06/2011 00:40, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:35:41 -0400, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 6/9/2011 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense,
when
the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
I thought a t-shirt as a prize would be awfully lame!
"I wrote this article on D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt"
-Steve
I would happily accept this as my runners up prize.
If someone wants to edit up an image for a lousy!T shirt, I can see
about getting it produced.
You seem to be using cafe press for your other merchandise, there's a
tool on there for custom t-shirts.
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/makeadesign2.aspx?clear=true&no=321&color=6#designer
It's probably easier to do it through there. If not, I could probably
make an image.
Also, hate to be a grammar nazi, but that should probably be "I wrote
this article /about/ D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt".
--
Robert
http://octarineparrot.com/
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
Am 10.06.2011 13:33, schrieb Robert Clipsham:
> On 10/06/2011 01:15, Daniel Gibson wrote:
>> Am 10.06.2011 02:06, schrieb Robert Clipsham:
>>> On 10/06/2011 00:56, Daniel Gibson wrote:
Am 10.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Walter Bright:
> On 6/9/2011 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
>> ("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense,
>> when
>> the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
>> kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
>
> I thought a t-shirt as a prize would be awfully lame!
Hmm D t-shirts would actually be kind of cool (maybe not as first price
in an article contest but in general).
Ever thought about selling D merchandise (t-shirts, mugs, stuff like
that)?
>>>
>>> Not hugely complete, but: http://digitalmars.com/gift/index.html
>>>
>>
>> Cool - where is the link to that page hidden?
>
> http://digitalmars.com/sitemap.html - in the bar at the top there's a
> treasure chest. The sitemap is linked from the DM homepage.
>
hmm the only thing that's missing is a treasure map leading to that chest ;)
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 10/06/2011 01:15, Daniel Gibson wrote:
Am 10.06.2011 02:06, schrieb Robert Clipsham:
On 10/06/2011 00:56, Daniel Gibson wrote:
Am 10.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Walter Bright:
On 6/9/2011 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense,
when
the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
I thought a t-shirt as a prize would be awfully lame!
Hmm D t-shirts would actually be kind of cool (maybe not as first price
in an article contest but in general).
Ever thought about selling D merchandise (t-shirts, mugs, stuff like
that)?
Not hugely complete, but: http://digitalmars.com/gift/index.html
Cool - where is the link to that page hidden?
http://digitalmars.com/sitemap.html - in the bar at the top there's a
treasure chest. The sitemap is linked from the DM homepage.
Couldn't find it in the digitalmars main page, the site map or the D page.
Also black t-shirts and/or shirts with the D logo (
http://d-programming-language.org/images/dlogo.png ) would be nice :)
(Funny fact: the german cafepress page translates Digital Mars to
"Digital März" and "Mars Mousepad" to "März Mousepad" - "März" is german
for the month "March")
Cheers,
- Daniel
--
Robert
http://octarineparrot.com/
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 6/9/2011 5:10 PM, Robert Clipsham wrote:
On 10/06/2011 00:40, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:35:41 -0400, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 6/9/2011 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense, when
the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
I thought a t-shirt as a prize would be awfully lame!
"I wrote this article on D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt"
-Steve
I would happily accept this as my runners up prize.
If someone wants to edit up an image for a lousy!T shirt, I can see about
getting it produced.
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
> Am 09.06.2011 21:02, schrieb Walter Bright:
> > On 6/9/2011 11:03 AM, Robert Clipsham wrote:
> >> So there is going to be a next one?
> >
> > Yes, maybe in 6 months or so. I'm very happy with how this one turned
> out.
> >
> > But next time we need to devise a tie-breaking rule. Any suggestions? A
> > runoff?
> >
> > BTW, there's nothing in the rules preventing an author from tooting his
> > own horn and doing a bit of marketing of their article(s) for votes!
>
> "If I win I'll implement $great_feature_everyone_wants" ;-)
>
> ("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense, when
> the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
> kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
>
I would vote for you :D
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
"Daniel Gibson" wrote in message news:iss0p0$10ia$3...@digitalmars.com... > Am 10.06.2011 04:30, schrieb bearophile: >> Nick Sabalausky: >> >>> The problem though is how do vote for the voting system without a voting >>> system having already won the vote? Curse that stupid chicken and her >>> damn >>> egg! >> >> As C compilers get bootstrapped on a new architecture? :-) >> >> Bye, >> bearophile > > So we have to let another community that already has a working voting > system cross-vote for us? ;) > Perfect! Now let's vote for which comminity to use... Shit!
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
Am 10.06.2011 04:30, schrieb bearophile: > Nick Sabalausky: > >> The problem though is how do vote for the voting system without a voting >> system having already won the vote? Curse that stupid chicken and her damn >> egg! > > As C compilers get bootstrapped on a new architecture? :-) > > Bye, > bearophile So we have to let another community that already has a working voting system cross-vote for us? ;) Cheers, - Daniel
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
Nick Sabalausky: > The problem though is how do vote for the voting system without a voting > system having already won the vote? Curse that stupid chicken and her damn > egg! As C compilers get bootstrapped on a new architecture? :-) Bye, bearophile
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
"Walter Bright" wrote in message news:isrlhg$1dle$1...@digitalmars.com... > On 6/9/2011 12:21 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: >> We're developers, not politicians :) If you allow this, then we'll have >> to start >> creating youtube ads showing the other articles' past records of >> infidelity and >> such, and it just turns ugly. > > I only ask that the sexting stay off this n.g.! > If this were a women's modeling agency, I'd strongly disagree. But programmers...ugh, no...
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
"Steven Schveighoffer" wrote in message news:op.vwtvot14eav7ka@localhost.localdomain... > On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:27:14 -0400, Brad Anderson wrote: > >> A lot of technical groups that do voting use the Schulze method < >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method>. Similar to IRV but >> technically better. I'm not sure how easy it is to do in practice. > > That looks cool, but we need a proven piece of software to do it :) > > I'd vote for that method. > The problem though is how do vote for the voting system without a voting system having already won the vote? Curse that stupid chicken and her damn egg!
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
Am 10.06.2011 02:06, schrieb Robert Clipsham:
> On 10/06/2011 00:56, Daniel Gibson wrote:
>> Am 10.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Walter Bright:
>>> On 6/9/2011 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense,
when
the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
>>>
>>> I thought a t-shirt as a prize would be awfully lame!
>>
>> Hmm D t-shirts would actually be kind of cool (maybe not as first price
>> in an article contest but in general).
>> Ever thought about selling D merchandise (t-shirts, mugs, stuff like
>> that)?
>
> Not hugely complete, but: http://digitalmars.com/gift/index.html
>
Cool - where is the link to that page hidden?
Couldn't find it in the digitalmars main page, the site map or the D page.
Also black t-shirts and/or shirts with the D logo (
http://d-programming-language.org/images/dlogo.png ) would be nice :)
(Funny fact: the german cafepress page translates Digital Mars to
"Digital März" and "Mars Mousepad" to "März Mousepad" - "März" is german
for the month "March")
Cheers,
- Daniel
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 10/06/2011 00:40, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:35:41 -0400, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 6/9/2011 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense, when
the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
I thought a t-shirt as a prize would be awfully lame!
"I wrote this article on D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt"
-Steve
I would happily accept this as my runners up prize.
--
Robert
http://octarineparrot.com/
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 10/06/2011 00:56, Daniel Gibson wrote:
Am 10.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Walter Bright:
On 6/9/2011 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense, when
the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
I thought a t-shirt as a prize would be awfully lame!
Hmm D t-shirts would actually be kind of cool (maybe not as first price
in an article contest but in general).
Ever thought about selling D merchandise (t-shirts, mugs, stuff like that)?
Not hugely complete, but: http://digitalmars.com/gift/index.html
--
Robert
http://octarineparrot.com/
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
Am 10.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Walter Bright:
> On 6/9/2011 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
>> ("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense, when
>> the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
>> kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
>
> I thought a t-shirt as a prize would be awfully lame!
Hmm D t-shirts would actually be kind of cool (maybe not as first price
in an article contest but in general).
Ever thought about selling D merchandise (t-shirts, mugs, stuff like that)?
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 2011-06-09 16:40, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:35:41 -0400, Walter Bright
>
> wrote:
> > On 6/9/2011 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
> >> ("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense, when
> >> the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
> >> kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
> >
> > I thought a t-shirt as a prize would be awfully lame!
>
> "I wrote this article on D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt"
LOL. Good one. Now I want that t-shirt...
- Jonathan M Davis
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 6/9/11 6:40 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:35:41 -0400, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 6/9/2011 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense, when
the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
I thought a t-shirt as a prize would be awfully lame!
"I wrote this article on D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt"
-Steve
Post o' the month.
Andrei
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:35:41 -0400, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 6/9/2011 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense, when
the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
I thought a t-shirt as a prize would be awfully lame!
"I wrote this article on D, and all I got was this lousy!T shirt"
-Steve
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 10/06/2011 00:36, Iain Buclaw wrote: == Quote from Steven Schveighoffer (schvei...@yahoo.com)'s article On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:27:14 -0400, Brad Anderson wrote: A lot of technical groups that do voting use the Schulze method< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method>. Similar to IRV but technically better. I'm not sure how easy it is to do in practice. That looks cool, but we need a proven piece of software to do it :) I'd vote for that method. -Steve Looks similar very similar to AV, which doesn't need a piece of software to count (though obviously it helps ;). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Vote AV, also known as IRV (see above) :D -- Robert http://octarineparrot.com/
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 6/10/11 1:36 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote: == Quote from Steven Schveighoffer (schvei...@yahoo.com)'s article On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:27:14 -0400, Brad Anderson wrote: A lot of technical groups that do voting use the Schulze method< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method>. Similar to IRV but technically better. I'm not sure how easy it is to do in practice. That looks cool, but we need a proven piece of software to do it :) I'd vote for that method. -Steve Looks similar very similar to AV, which doesn't need a piece of software to count (though obviously it helps ;). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Vote This might also be a nice starting point for further exploring the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-winner_voting_system#Comparison_of_single-winner_election_methods David
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 6/9/2011 12:57 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense, when
the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
I thought a t-shirt as a prize would be awfully lame!
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
== Quote from Steven Schveighoffer (schvei...@yahoo.com)'s article > On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:27:14 -0400, Brad Anderson wrote: > > A lot of technical groups that do voting use the Schulze method < > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method>. Similar to IRV but > > technically better. I'm not sure how easy it is to do in practice. > That looks cool, but we need a proven piece of software to do it :) > I'd vote for that method. > -Steve Looks similar very similar to AV, which doesn't need a piece of software to count (though obviously it helps ;). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Vote
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On 6/9/2011 12:21 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: We're developers, not politicians :) If you allow this, then we'll have to start creating youtube ads showing the other articles' past records of infidelity and such, and it just turns ugly. I only ask that the sexting stay off this n.g.!
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:27:14 -0400, Brad Anderson wrote: A lot of technical groups that do voting use the Schulze method < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method>. Similar to IRV but technically better. I'm not sure how easy it is to do in practice. That looks cool, but we need a proven piece of software to do it :) I'd vote for that method. -Steve
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
A lot of technical groups that do voting use the Schulze method < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method>. Similar to IRV but technically better. I'm not sure how easy it is to do in practice. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Kai Meyer wrote: > On 06/09/2011 01:21 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: > >> On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:02:08 -0400, Walter Bright >> wrote: >> >> On 6/9/2011 11:03 AM, Robert Clipsham wrote: >>> So there is going to be a next one? >>> >>> Yes, maybe in 6 months or so. I'm very happy with how this one turned >>> out. >>> >>> But next time we need to devise a tie-breaking rule. Any suggestions? >>> A runoff? >>> >> >> We're all developers here, I think people might be open to an instant >> runoff: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting >> >> Essentially, you rank the articles 1 to x, and then the algorithm >> figures out the winner. It's still possible to have a tie, but unlikely. >> >> I think for the next time, someone should write a newsgroup-to-vote >> program that automatically counts the votes (must be in D of course!) >> >> BTW, there's nothing in the rules preventing an author from tooting >>> his own horn and doing a bit of marketing of their article(s) for votes! >>> >> >> We're developers, not politicians :) If you allow this, then we'll have >> to start creating youtube ads showing the other articles' past records >> of infidelity and such, and it just turns ugly. >> >> -Steve >> > > I second the vote for IRV. >
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On 06/09/2011 01:21 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:02:08 -0400, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/9/2011 11:03 AM, Robert Clipsham wrote: So there is going to be a next one? Yes, maybe in 6 months or so. I'm very happy with how this one turned out. But next time we need to devise a tie-breaking rule. Any suggestions? A runoff? We're all developers here, I think people might be open to an instant runoff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting Essentially, you rank the articles 1 to x, and then the algorithm figures out the winner. It's still possible to have a tie, but unlikely. I think for the next time, someone should write a newsgroup-to-vote program that automatically counts the votes (must be in D of course!) BTW, there's nothing in the rules preventing an author from tooting his own horn and doing a bit of marketing of their article(s) for votes! We're developers, not politicians :) If you allow this, then we'll have to start creating youtube ads showing the other articles' past records of infidelity and such, and it just turns ugly. -Steve I second the vote for IRV.
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On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:35:44 -0400, Robert Clipsham wrote: On 09/06/2011 20:21, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:02:08 -0400, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/9/2011 11:03 AM, Robert Clipsham wrote: So there is going to be a next one? Yes, maybe in 6 months or so. I'm very happy with how this one turned out. But next time we need to devise a tie-breaking rule. Any suggestions? A runoff? We're all developers here, I think people might be open to an instant runoff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting Essentially, you rank the articles 1 to x, and then the algorithm figures out the winner. It's still possible to have a tie, but unlikely. I thought about mentioning this, but decided against it. I believe FPTP is the best way to vote for this kind of competition. I wonder if there's some form of instant runoff that only breaks ties. That is, a runoff only occurs between ties, with the people who did not vote for the tied candidates getting their secondary votes counted. I suppose most voting systems are for votes that count in the hundreds of thousands to millions, so there is very little chance of a tie. So this might be unexplored territory... I just am not keen on the idea that someone can vote for candidate A, then when A ties with B, vote for candidate B in the runoff. Instant runoff appeals to me because you have to write down your preferences up front. I think for the next time, someone should write a newsgroup-to-vote program that automatically counts the votes (must be in D of course!) Of course, then that one person who doesn't format their vote quite right loses out... Well, we can make it simple: Mark your preference in this box (1-5): | v [ ] article 1 [ ] article 2 ... Another (really good) option is to use a web-based voting system, which makes things verifiable. You still need something to verify the user has posted to the NG in the past. BTW, there's nothing in the rules preventing an author from tooting his own horn and doing a bit of marketing of their article(s) for votes! We're developers, not politicians :) If you allow this, then we'll have to start creating youtube ads showing the other articles' past records of infidelity and such, and it just turns ugly. Given the rule that voters must have used their handle here before, that's not going to happen. I won't comment further to avoid ranting. I hope you didn't think I was serious, though I don't see how it could be seen that way. If I offended, I'm sorry. -Steve
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Am 09.06.2011 21:02, schrieb Walter Bright:
> On 6/9/2011 11:03 AM, Robert Clipsham wrote:
>> So there is going to be a next one?
>
> Yes, maybe in 6 months or so. I'm very happy with how this one turned out.
>
> But next time we need to devise a tie-breaking rule. Any suggestions? A
> runoff?
>
> BTW, there's nothing in the rules preventing an author from tooting his
> own horn and doing a bit of marketing of their article(s) for votes!
"If I win I'll implement $great_feature_everyone_wants" ;-)
("If I win I port a D compiler to ARM/iOS" would really make sense, when
the price is an iPad - it's kind of ironic anyway that the price is a
kind of computer that isn't supported by D)
Cheers,
- Daniel
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Am 09.06.2011 21:18, schrieb Jonathan M Davis: > On 2011-06-09 11:58, Walter Bright wrote: >> On 6/9/2011 11:26 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: >>> At least yours got some votes! Mine got none. ;) >> >> I wouldn't worry about that. Consider the Olympics, where the difference >> between the winners and the rest is, frankly, microscopic. The contest is >> devised to exaggerate the tiniest of differences. >> >> I think all the articles were great! > > Oh, I don't really mind. It doesn't mean that my article was bad, just that > no > one who voted didn't think that it was the best. It doesn't even mean that > mine would win the "worst article" vote if we were to be mean enough to have > such a vote. It just means that no one thought that my article was the best. > > I didn't really write my article for the contest anyway, so it's not a big > deal. I wrote the article because it clearly needed to be written, and > getting > it in the contest was just a nice bonus. > > - Jonathan M Davis It is a great article, pretty informative and certainly a big help for anyone wanting to mess with time-related stuff in D. But I guess the topic is just not as sexy as parallelism or efficiency (slices are also efficiency-related, besides providing nice syntax-sugar for array operations). As you said, that article needed to be written and it's a valuable addition to std.datetime's documentation. Cheers, - Daniel
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On 09/06/2011 20:21, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:02:08 -0400, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/9/2011 11:03 AM, Robert Clipsham wrote: So there is going to be a next one? Yes, maybe in 6 months or so. I'm very happy with how this one turned out. But next time we need to devise a tie-breaking rule. Any suggestions? A runoff? We're all developers here, I think people might be open to an instant runoff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting Essentially, you rank the articles 1 to x, and then the algorithm figures out the winner. It's still possible to have a tie, but unlikely. I thought about mentioning this, but decided against it. I believe FPTP is the best way to vote for this kind of competition. I think for the next time, someone should write a newsgroup-to-vote program that automatically counts the votes (must be in D of course!) Of course, then that one person who doesn't format their vote quite right loses out... BTW, there's nothing in the rules preventing an author from tooting his own horn and doing a bit of marketing of their article(s) for votes! We're developers, not politicians :) If you allow this, then we'll have to start creating youtube ads showing the other articles' past records of infidelity and such, and it just turns ugly. Given the rule that voters must have used their handle here before, that's not going to happen. I won't comment further to avoid ranting. -Steve -- Robert http://octarineparrot.com/
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On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:02:08 -0400, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/9/2011 11:03 AM, Robert Clipsham wrote: So there is going to be a next one? Yes, maybe in 6 months or so. I'm very happy with how this one turned out. But next time we need to devise a tie-breaking rule. Any suggestions? A runoff? We're all developers here, I think people might be open to an instant runoff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting Essentially, you rank the articles 1 to x, and then the algorithm figures out the winner. It's still possible to have a tie, but unlikely. I think for the next time, someone should write a newsgroup-to-vote program that automatically counts the votes (must be in D of course!) BTW, there's nothing in the rules preventing an author from tooting his own horn and doing a bit of marketing of their article(s) for votes! We're developers, not politicians :) If you allow this, then we'll have to start creating youtube ads showing the other articles' past records of infidelity and such, and it just turns ugly. -Steve
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On 09/06/2011 19:26, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On 2011-06-09 11:03, Robert Clipsham wrote: On 09/06/2011 15:13, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Now you can vote in the next one :) So there is going to be a next one? Maybe next time I won't pull the short straw! :< Short straw? At least yours got some votes! Mine got none. ;) Maybe it wasn't the shortest straw then. Your article was great, I guess it didn't apply to a lot of people though. Congratulations anyway, to Dave as well, your articles were both great! Yes. All of the articles are definitely solid contributions to the D community. I even learned from Steve's article, when I would have thought that I would have known everything in the topic he covered. Indeed - I'll be giving it another read through at some point to check I got it all! - Jonathan M Davis -- Robert http://octarineparrot.com/
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On 09/06/2011 20:02, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/9/2011 11:03 AM, Robert Clipsham wrote: So there is going to be a next one? Yes, maybe in 6 months or so. I'm very happy with how this one turned out. Excellent! I really enjoyed writing my article, 'twas great fun. I plan on writing more, the major set backs for me are lack of ideas and lack of time (though if I find something interesting time seems to manifest itself anyway). But next time we need to devise a tie-breaking rule. Any suggestions? A runoff? This could be difficult - if I'd had one more vote we'd have had a three way tie, and I doubt another round of voting would have made a difference. My suggestion would be something more imaginative to tie break. We can't do rock paper scissors over the internet or use a random number generator without people complaining about it being fixed, but how about a puzzle of some sort? Obviously it should be accessible to all (we could get a fantastic article from someone who's not from an academic background that would struggle with say, an Euler problem). Perhaps who can do X in the coolest possible way using D. Then that could be voted on. Alternatively, there could be another round of articles (probably too time consuming) or opening voting up to other programming communities. I had some other ideas, but I've forgotten them. BTW, there's nothing in the rules preventing an author from tooting his own horn and doing a bit of marketing of their article(s) for votes! Who says we didn't do that? :D The D community is far too moral though, when it's the last 30 minutes of the competition everyone claims they don't have enough time to read the articles, they refuse to vote blindly. Not that I'd know of course! -- Robert http://octarineparrot.com/
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On 2011-06-09 11:58, Walter Bright wrote: > On 6/9/2011 11:26 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: > > At least yours got some votes! Mine got none. ;) > > I wouldn't worry about that. Consider the Olympics, where the difference > between the winners and the rest is, frankly, microscopic. The contest is > devised to exaggerate the tiniest of differences. > > I think all the articles were great! Oh, I don't really mind. It doesn't mean that my article was bad, just that no one who voted didn't think that it was the best. It doesn't even mean that mine would win the "worst article" vote if we were to be mean enough to have such a vote. It just means that no one thought that my article was the best. I didn't really write my article for the contest anyway, so it's not a big deal. I wrote the article because it clearly needed to be written, and getting it in the contest was just a nice bonus. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 6/9/2011 11:03 AM, Robert Clipsham wrote: So there is going to be a next one? Yes, maybe in 6 months or so. I'm very happy with how this one turned out. But next time we need to devise a tie-breaking rule. Any suggestions? A runoff? BTW, there's nothing in the rules preventing an author from tooting his own horn and doing a bit of marketing of their article(s) for votes!
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 6/9/2011 11:26 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: At least yours got some votes! Mine got none. ;) I wouldn't worry about that. Consider the Olympics, where the difference between the winners and the rest is, frankly, microscopic. The contest is devised to exaggerate the tiniest of differences. I think all the articles were great!
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On 2011-06-09 11:03, Robert Clipsham wrote: > On 09/06/2011 15:13, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: > > Now you can vote in the next one :) > > So there is going to be a next one? Maybe next time I won't pull the > short straw! :< Short straw? At least yours got some votes! Mine got none. ;) > Congratulations anyway, to Dave as well, your articles were both great! Yes. All of the articles are definitely solid contributions to the D community. I even learned from Steve's article, when I would have thought that I would have known everything in the topic he covered. - Jonathan M Davis
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On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:03:14 -0400, Robert Clipsham wrote: On 09/06/2011 15:13, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Now you can vote in the next one :) So there is going to be a next one? Maybe next time I won't pull the short straw! :< Congratulations anyway, to Dave as well, your articles were both great! Thanks! To be one vote away is not too bad either! I think all the articles were very good. I told myself on tuesday, no matter what happened, I would be glad that I pushed myself to write an article that helped people. I definitely learned from everyone's articles. It actually makes me want to write more articles... BTW, I debated heavily whether to vote for yours or David's, it really was tough. One vote for you instead of him and the fortunes change dramatically! I'm sure there were some other people who had trouble deciding between my article and someone else's also. It's crazy how close it was. -Steve
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 09/06/2011 15:13, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: Now you can vote in the next one :) So there is going to be a next one? Maybe next time I won't pull the short straw! :< Congratulations anyway, to Dave as well, your articles were both great! -- Robert http://octarineparrot.com/
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On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 06:31:50 -0400, Johannes Totz wrote: On 09/06/2011 02:57, Brad Roberts wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Moritz Warning wrote: Congratulations to both winners! Pfft, if I have had time to vote, I might have robbed one of his prize (sorry Brad). :) I hadn't brought it up yet, but the fact that there were only 25 votes is, really, fairly sad. I too didn't vote. I know this community is _far_ larger than 25 people. Heck, even the number of posters to this forum is larger. Why? Not allowed to. I'm reading the D groups for a few months now but never posted before. Now you can vote in the next one :) -Steve
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On 09/06/2011 02:57, Brad Roberts wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Moritz Warning wrote: > >> Congratulations to both winners! >> Pfft, if I have had time to vote, I might have >> robbed one of his prize (sorry Brad). :) > > I hadn't brought it up yet, but the fact that there were only 25 votes > is, really, fairly sad. I too didn't vote. I know this community is > _far_ larger than 25 people. Heck, even the number of posters to this > forum is larger. > > Why? Not allowed to. I'm reading the D groups for a few months now but never posted before.
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On Jun 8, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote: > Am 09.06.2011 03:57, schrieb Brad Roberts: >> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Moritz Warning wrote: >> >>> Congratulations to both winners! >>> Pfft, if I have had time to vote, I might have >>> robbed one of his prize (sorry Brad). :) >> >> I hadn't brought it up yet, but the fact that there were only 25 votes >> is, really, fairly sad. I too didn't vote. I know this community is >> _far_ larger than 25 people. Heck, even the number of posters to this >> forum is larger. >> >> Why? >> >> Later, >> Brad >> > > Maybe some people didn't have the time or motivation to read all articles? > Or they couldn't decide which article to vote for (and this indeed was > really hard)? > > So what was your reason not to vote? ;) > > Cheers, > - Daniel Primarily time.
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
Brad Roberts wrote: > I hadn't brought it up yet, but the fact that there were only 25 > votes is, really, fairly sad. [...] Why? I don't like making decisions like this. I don't feel like I'm picking a winner when voting - instead, I feel like I'm picking 4 losers. Yes, I know it's silly, but I'm like that on even trivial decisions like "what's for dinner". Corn is great, but then the peas will feel left out :-(
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Am 09.06.2011 03:57, schrieb Brad Roberts: > On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Moritz Warning wrote: > >> Congratulations to both winners! >> Pfft, if I have had time to vote, I might have >> robbed one of his prize (sorry Brad). :) > > I hadn't brought it up yet, but the fact that there were only 25 votes > is, really, fairly sad. I too didn't vote. I know this community is > _far_ larger than 25 people. Heck, even the number of posters to this > forum is larger. > > Why? > > Later, > Brad > Maybe some people didn't have the time or motivation to read all articles? Or they couldn't decide which article to vote for (and this indeed was really hard)? So what was your reason not to vote? ;) Cheers, - Daniel
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Moritz Warning wrote: > Congratulations to both winners! > Pfft, if I have had time to vote, I might have > robbed one of his prize (sorry Brad). :) I hadn't brought it up yet, but the fact that there were only 25 votes is, really, fairly sad. I too didn't vote. I know this community is _far_ larger than 25 people. Heck, even the number of posters to this forum is larger. Why? Later, Brad
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On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:22:52 -0700, Walter Bright wrote: > On 6/7/2011 9:54 PM, Walter Bright wrote: >> Looks like we have a tie. Darn it. I don't really want to do Solomon's >> solution! > > Brad Roberts has generously stepped in to donate an extra iPad2 > > So congratulations to our two winners of the first D Article contest! > > Dave & Steve, please email me your shipping addresses. > > Certainly, honorable mention goes to Robert for being a very close > third, and for the fine articles as well by Nick and Jonathan. Judging > by the quality of the articles, I call this contest a big success. > > And a big thank you to Brad! Congratulations to both winners! Pfft, if I have had time to vote, I might have robbed one of his prize (sorry Brad). :)
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On 6/8/11 12:27 AM, Brad Roberts wrote: On 6/7/2011 10:29 PM, Bernard Helyer wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:22:52 -0700, Walter Bright wrote: Brad Roberts has generously stepped in to donate an extra iPad2 Whoah. Brad is making it rain. Hrm.. Walter's the one who added all the silly !'s and is donating one of them. He deserves much of the credit. Good work guys. Later, Brad This is very gracious of you, Brad. Andrei
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On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:27:04 -0700, Brad Roberts wrote: > Hrm.. Walter's the one who added all the silly !'s and is donating one > of them. He deserves much of the credit. > > Good work guys. > > Later, > Brad Well sure, but we all know Walter's a pimp.* *Thank you Walter! (Keep that pimp hand strong!)
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On 6/7/2011 10:29 PM, Bernard Helyer wrote: > On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:22:52 -0700, Walter Bright wrote: > >> Brad Roberts has generously stepped in to donate an extra iPad2 > > Whoah. Brad is making it rain. Hrm.. Walter's the one who added all the silly !'s and is donating one of them. He deserves much of the credit. Good work guys. Later, Brad
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On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:22:52 -0700, Walter Bright wrote: > Brad Roberts has generously stepped in to donate an extra iPad2 Whoah. Brad is making it rain.
Re: Best article vote tally - WE HAVE TWO WINNERS!
On 6/7/2011 9:54 PM, Walter Bright wrote: Looks like we have a tie. Darn it. I don't really want to do Solomon's solution! Brad Roberts has generously stepped in to donate an extra iPad2 So congratulations to our two winners of the first D Article contest! Dave & Steve, please email me your shipping addresses. Certainly, honorable mention goes to Robert for being a very close third, and for the fine articles as well by Nick and Jonathan. Judging by the quality of the articles, I call this contest a big success. And a big thank you to Brad!
