Re: D mentioned and criticized
On Thursday, 19 May 2016 at 13:53:46 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 at 21:45:16 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote: On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 12:02:02 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 12:00:53 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: Nim is much more interesting as a D alternative, in the sense that it is a. I give up, kept pressing ENTER while typing a message. Please finish, I have to know what follows "a" :-) Nim is much more interesting as a D alternative, in the sense that it is a more radical departure from C++. Be it in syntax, meta-programming, and experimental features. It certainly said no to variable-sized integers, while Loci stays with them. It certainly is interesting. The fact that it compiles to C, C++ or Objective-C is also pretty handy. What turns me off is obligatory indentation à la Python :(, and I don't know how the fact that it compiles to C affects the language as a whole.
Re: D mentioned and criticized
On Thursday, 19 May 2016 at 13:53:46 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 at 21:45:16 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote: On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 12:02:02 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 12:00:53 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: Nim is much more interesting as a D alternative, in the sense that it is a. I give up, kept pressing ENTER while typing a message. Please finish, I have to know what follows "a" :-) Nim is much more interesting as a D alternative, in the sense that it is a more radical departure from C++. Be it in syntax, meta-programming, and experimental features. It certainly said no to variable-sized integers, while Loci stays with them. Thanks :-) - interesting.
Re: D mentioned and criticized
On Wednesday, 18 May 2016 at 21:45:16 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote: On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 12:02:02 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 12:00:53 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: Nim is much more interesting as a D alternative, in the sense that it is a. I give up, kept pressing ENTER while typing a message. Please finish, I have to know what follows "a" :-) Nim is much more interesting as a D alternative, in the sense that it is a more radical departure from C++. Be it in syntax, meta-programming, and experimental features. It certainly said no to variable-sized integers, while Loci stays with them.
Re: D mentioned and criticized
On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 12:02:02 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 12:00:53 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: Nim is much more interesting as a D alternative, in the sense that it is a. I give up, kept pressing ENTER while typing a message. Please finish, I have to know what follows "a" :-)
Re: D mentioned and criticized
On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 12:02:02 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 12:00:53 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: Nim is much more interesting as a D alternative, in the sense that it is a. I give up, kept pressing ENTER while typing a message. "... in the sense that it is a" ???
Re: D mentioned and criticized
On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 12:00:53 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: Nim is much more interesting as a D alternative, in the sense that it is a. I give up, kept pressing ENTER while typing a message.
Re: D mentioned and criticized
On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 11:58:57 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 01:29:15 UTC, Xinok wrote: It seems to me that Loci is not a very "inspired" language meaning that it doesn't take inspiration from many other languages. The docs only ever refer to some classic mainstream languages including C++, Obj-C, Java, C#, with a hint of D. There are a few nice aspects such as modules, algebraic types, tuples, and concepts. But then I feel like it takes too much from C++ and mimics Java-esque OOP and concepts. I'm not saying these are bad things but there isn't much that makes Loci stand out as a programming language. Nim is much more interesting as a D alternative, in the sense that it is a.
Re: D mentioned and criticized
On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 01:29:15 UTC, Xinok wrote: On Monday, 16 May 2016 at 18:25:23 UTC, Chris wrote: I had a look at Loci, more specifically the language goals[1]: ... I've been skimming through the docs and found one mention of D: http://loci-lang.org/Exceptions.html#scope-exit-block It seems to me that Loci is not a very "inspired" language meaning that it doesn't take inspiration from many other languages. The docs only ever refer to some classic mainstream languages including C++, Obj-C, Java, C#, with a hint of D. There are a few nice aspects such as modules, algebraic types, tuples, and concepts. But then I feel like it takes too much from C++ and mimics Java-esque OOP and concepts. I'm not saying these are bad things but there isn't much that makes Loci stand out as a programming language. Nim is much more interesting a.
Re: D mentioned and criticized
On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 11:42:45 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 08:29:22 UTC, Chris wrote: Ola first mentioned Loci in a recent thread. I'm always in favor of new PLs and / or ways of thinking. But I don't think it's good style to mention D in this way while not giving at least some reasons for doing so. I think he was more elaborate in an earlier version of the website. IIRC he was a D user, but gave up on the language due to the design/development process that he felt was going nowhere. I think the main feature in Loci compared to C++ is that you can dynamically add interfaces to existing libraries from other languages using structural typing. So you can add polymorphism layers to existing C frameworks just by having pointers. http://loci-lang.org/StructuralTyping.html Using fat pointers, one to the data and one to the interface: http://loci-lang.org/DynamicDispatch.html
Re: D mentioned and criticized
On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 01:20:16 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Monday, May 16, 2016 18:25:23 Chris via Digitalmars-d wrote: Well, it's pretty easy to lump in C++ with D given that out of all of the successors to C++, D is the most similar to it. And while D is definitely simpler than C++, it's still a complicated language. So, I could easily see someone dismissing D as having C++'s problems if they didn't spend much time with it. But I have no idea what the case is with these folks. I'd never heard of Loci before you brought it up here. - Jonathan M Davis Ola first mentioned Loci in a recent thread. I'm always in favor of new PLs and / or ways of thinking. But I don't think it's good style to mention D in this way while not giving at least some reasons for doing so. To talk about C++'s problems instead is misleading. Given Loci's features, the complexity is or will soon be similar to D's. Just look at the templates. D also started out as a simple language, but as features are required and added, complexity increases. That's only natural. I'll keep an eye on it anyway.
Re: D mentioned and criticized
On Monday, 16 May 2016 at 18:25:23 UTC, Chris wrote: I had a look at Loci, more specifically the language goals[1]: ... I've been skimming through the docs and found one mention of D: http://loci-lang.org/Exceptions.html#scope-exit-block It seems to me that Loci is not a very "inspired" language meaning that it doesn't take inspiration from many other languages. The docs only ever refer to some classic mainstream languages including C++, Obj-C, Java, C#, with a hint of D. There are a few nice aspects such as modules, algebraic types, tuples, and concepts. But then I feel like it takes too much from C++ and mimics Java-esque OOP and concepts. I'm not saying these are bad things but there isn't much that makes Loci stand out as a programming language. I'll add this to my list of PL bookmarks. It's a new language with it's first stable build released just two years ago so maybe the best is yet to come.
Re: D mentioned and criticized
On Monday, May 16, 2016 18:25:23 Chris via Digitalmars-d wrote: > The author goes on to talk about C++'s complicated semantics, > which is fair enough. But it gives readers the impression that D > is more or less the same as C++ and thus has the same problems. I > think it's not fair to lump C++ and D together in this way. Well, it's pretty easy to lump in C++ with D given that out of all of the successors to C++, D is the most similar to it. And while D is definitely simpler than C++, it's still a complicated language. So, I could easily see someone dismissing D as having C++'s problems if they didn't spend much time with it. But I have no idea what the case is with these folks. I'd never heard of Loci before you brought it up here. - Jonathan M Davis
D mentioned and criticized
I had a look at Loci, more specifically the language goals[1]: "While technically useful, the C programming language is often perceived as lacking sufficiently powerful abstractions to construct large and complex systems. For this reason, languages such as C++, Objective C and D were invented to provide abstractions on top of the language. Unfortunately, these languages have significant problems. For example, C++ and D place undue attention to compile-time functionality that serves to complicate the source code." I wonder what they mean specifically. Looking at Loci code, I can see more or less the same ideas, and a syntax similar to C++ and D. The author goes on to talk about C++'s complicated semantics, which is fair enough. But it gives readers the impression that D is more or less the same as C++ and thus has the same problems. I think it's not fair to lump C++ and D together in this way. [1] http://loci-lang.org/LanguageGoals.html
