Re: [OT] Alternative to Thunderbird (was: Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?)
On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 04:58:43PM -0700, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 03:50:02PM -0700, Ali Çehreli via Digitalmars-d wrote: > [...] > > Perhaps I should get used to reading news and email with Emacs > > already. :/ > [...] > > I've been using Mutt for years, and quite happy with it. +1 for Mutt. davmail (for exchange)+offlineimap make for a terrific combination (though it takes a day to work through configuration and setup)
Re: [OT] Alternative to Thunderbird (was: Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?)
Sylpheed?
Re: [OT] Alternative to Thunderbird (was: Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?)
On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 03:50:02PM -0700, Ali Çehreli via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...] > Perhaps I should get used to reading news and email with Emacs > already. :/ [...] I've been using Mutt for years, and quite happy with it. There's a version/patch floating around somewhere that has built-in NNTP support, but IME it's a little klunky with high-traffic newsgroups. I just use the mailing list interface to the D forums, and things work perfectly. The best part of using Mutt is that it has full threading support, so if a particular topic doesn't interest you, you can delete the entire (sub)thread with a single keystroke. Indispensible for handling busy forums like this one. T -- Freedom of speech: the whole world has no right *not* to hear my spouting off!
[OT] Alternative to Thunderbird (was: Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?)
On 08/01/2017 09:58 AM, Mike Wey wrote: The errors seem to be getting more frequent lately. But i nog also get these errors on the GtkD newsgroup (vibenews) so it might be a Thunderbird issue. Is anybody getting the errors with a different client? Is there a better (lightweight, more stable, etc.) Thunderbird? A couple of weeks ago it could not open my Yahoo Inbox any more, so I had to add my account again. Perhaps I should get used to reading news and email with Emacs already. :/ Ali
Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?
On 21-04-17 19:03, Mike Wey wrote: On 04/21/2017 10:27 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Thursday, 20 April 2017 at 23:37:25 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: *Looks* like a server/network issue but behaves like a screwy local issue. Started happening more in recent weeks. I don't select automatic checking for messages. I just click on a newsgroup and it fails at differing rates. (Pretty good in the last couple of days.) When it fails, for me the cure is to click on another D newsgroup to make a successful connection and then come back to the failed one; then it always succeeds. It would be helpful if someone could record a packet capture log (e.g. with Wireshark) of the problem. The information therein could be the first step towards diagnosing the problem. Ok, here is an Wireshark export of the error and a few successful packets beforehand. Hopefully this gives some insight in whats going on. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6DxRRR3v-n9QzhtZmNEbUQzWmM The errors seem to be getting more frequent lately. But i nog also get these errors on the GtkD newsgroup (vibenews) so it might be a Thunderbird issue. Is anybody getting the errors with a different client? -- Mike Wey
Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?
On 04/21/2017 10:27 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Thursday, 20 April 2017 at 23:37:25 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: *Looks* like a server/network issue but behaves like a screwy local issue. Started happening more in recent weeks. I don't select automatic checking for messages. I just click on a newsgroup and it fails at differing rates. (Pretty good in the last couple of days.) When it fails, for me the cure is to click on another D newsgroup to make a successful connection and then come back to the failed one; then it always succeeds. It would be helpful if someone could record a packet capture log (e.g. with Wireshark) of the problem. The information therein could be the first step towards diagnosing the problem. Ok, here is an Wireshark export of the error and a few successful packets beforehand. Hopefully this gives some insight in whats going on. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6DxRRR3v-n9QzhtZmNEbUQzWmM -- Mike Wey
Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?
tried the 'check for new messages every 2 minutes' hotfix suggestion (was set to 10), but it does not help in my case. correction: this seems to help quite a bit, got only one connection refused since.
Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?
On Thursday, 20 April 2017 at 23:37:25 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: *Looks* like a server/network issue but behaves like a screwy local issue. Started happening more in recent weeks. I don't select automatic checking for messages. I just click on a newsgroup and it fails at differing rates. (Pretty good in the last couple of days.) When it fails, for me the cure is to click on another D newsgroup to make a successful connection and then come back to the failed one; then it always succeeds. It would be helpful if someone could record a packet capture log (e.g. with Wireshark) of the problem. The information therein could be the first step towards diagnosing the problem.
Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?
On 04/20/2017 12:45 PM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: Using Thunderbird to access this NG, but as of about a couple months ago (IIRC), this problem started happening. Anybody else having this problem?: When I try to select a new unread message to read, I've got roughly a 10% or so chance that it'll fail with a "The connection was refused when attempting to contact news.digitalmars.com:119." But here's the weird thing: Once that error DOES occur, then ALL further attempts to download/view a new post fail with the same error...until I hit "Get Messages" or switch to a different sub-forum and then back, which consistently fixes the issue (until it happens again a few messages later). *Looks* like a server/network issue but behaves like a screwy local issue. Started happening more in recent weeks. I don't select automatic checking for messages. I just click on a newsgroup and it fails at differing rates. (Pretty good in the last couple of days.) When it fails, for me the cure is to click on another D newsgroup to make a successful connection and then come back to the failed one; then it always succeeds. Ali
Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?
When I try to select a new unread message to read, I've got roughly a 10% or so chance that it'll fail with a "The connection was refused when attempting to contact news.digitalmars.com:119." same here, started several weeks ago, very annoying. i have used the same local config/settings for years w/o probs, also, have NOT upgraded thunderbird, so the issue must be on the server side. tried the 'check for new messages every 2 minutes' hotfix suggestion (was set to 10), but it does not help in my case. /det
Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?
On Thursday, 20 April 2017 at 21:16:38 UTC, David Gileadi wrote: On 4/20/17 2:05 PM, lawrence wrote: On 04/20/2017 02:09 PM, Timon Gehr wrote: On 20.04.2017 21:45, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: [snip] It's not just you. I have the same issues. I used to have this same problem, until I sent the server settings to check for updates every 2 minutes. I don't have this problem, but my server settings check every 2 minutes as well. the browser access is very fast as an alternative.
Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?
On 4/20/17 2:05 PM, lawrence wrote: On 04/20/2017 02:09 PM, Timon Gehr wrote: On 20.04.2017 21:45, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: [snip] It's not just you. I have the same issues. I used to have this same problem, until I sent the server settings to check for updates every 2 minutes. I don't have this problem, but my server settings check every 2 minutes as well.
Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?
20.04.2017 22:45, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) пишет: Using Thunderbird to access this NG, but as of about a couple months ago (IIRC), this problem started happening. Anybody else having this problem?: Affirmative
Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?
On 04/20/2017 02:09 PM, Timon Gehr wrote: On 20.04.2017 21:45, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: Using Thunderbird to access this NG, but as of about a couple months ago (IIRC), this problem started happening. Anybody else having this problem?: When I try to select a new unread message to read, I've got roughly a 10% or so chance that it'll fail with a "The connection was refused when attempting to contact news.digitalmars.com:119." But here's the weird thing: Once that error DOES occur, then ALL further attempts to download/view a new post fail with the same error...until I hit "Get Messages" or switch to a different sub-forum and then back, which consistently fixes the issue (until it happens again a few messages later). *Looks* like a server/network issue but behaves like a screwy local issue. It's not just you. I have the same issues. I used to have this same problem, until I sent the server settings to check for updates every 2 minutes.
Re: NG technical issues: Is it just me?
On 20.04.2017 21:45, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: Using Thunderbird to access this NG, but as of about a couple months ago (IIRC), this problem started happening. Anybody else having this problem?: When I try to select a new unread message to read, I've got roughly a 10% or so chance that it'll fail with a "The connection was refused when attempting to contact news.digitalmars.com:119." But here's the weird thing: Once that error DOES occur, then ALL further attempts to download/view a new post fail with the same error...until I hit "Get Messages" or switch to a different sub-forum and then back, which consistently fixes the issue (until it happens again a few messages later). *Looks* like a server/network issue but behaves like a screwy local issue. It's not just you. I have the same issues.
NG technical issues: Is it just me?
Using Thunderbird to access this NG, but as of about a couple months ago (IIRC), this problem started happening. Anybody else having this problem?: When I try to select a new unread message to read, I've got roughly a 10% or so chance that it'll fail with a "The connection was refused when attempting to contact news.digitalmars.com:119." But here's the weird thing: Once that error DOES occur, then ALL further attempts to download/view a new post fail with the same error...until I hit "Get Messages" or switch to a different sub-forum and then back, which consistently fixes the issue (until it happens again a few messages later). *Looks* like a server/network issue but behaves like a screwy local issue.
