Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)
On 06/10/2010 22:47, Juanjo Alvarez wrote: On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:55:40 +0100, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: Reading newsgroups on phone would suck. I already get a bit uncomfortable reading them on my laptop (without a peripheral monitor or mouse). Not worse than reading email on a phone,trough the experience is course worse than on a computer. Oh, it is indeed worse that reading email on a phone, unless you also use your email to have huge threaded discussions. Doesn't matter for me in any case, as I also don't read email on a phone. -- Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)
Bruno Medeiros Wrote: On 06/10/2010 22:47, Juanjo Alvarez wrote: On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:55:40 +0100, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: Reading newsgroups on phone would suck. I already get a bit uncomfortable reading them on my laptop (without a peripheral monitor or mouse). Not worse than reading email on a phone,trough the experience is course worse than on a computer. Oh, it is indeed worse that reading email on a phone, unless you also use your email to have huge threaded discussions. Doesn't matter for me in any case, as I also don't read email on a phone. On my app you see the threaded messages in a screen and then when you tap or select a message its opened in another view, fullscreen. Go back and you are again in the threaded listing (which the read messages greyed), or tap Next and you go to the next message in the tree without existing the message view. As I said, not the same level of conveniente than on a computer (you can't see the thread and the message at the same time), but still not so bad.
Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)
On 05/10/2010 16:58, Denis Koroskin wrote: On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:30:59 +0400, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: On 27/08/2010 03:01, Gareth Charnock wrote: On 26/08/10 07:57, Don wrote: Walter Bright wrote: bearophile wrote: This is why I don't like a lot the current work done for the 64 bit implementation. A lot of groups cannot consider D unless it supports 64 bit compilation. D2 has some design problems (I don't call them 'enhancement requests') that if you want to fix may require to break backward compatibility (they are things that can't just be added to the D2 language), few months ago I have listed about ten of them here (and I think Walter did just ignore them), 71 bugzilla issues were resolved just in the last update. I don't think it's quite fair to characterize the ongoing development as ignoring the community. You list several things *per day*. I doubt any organization could keep up with the sheer volume of your output g. I'm not suggesting that you stop doing it, quite the contrary. I just hope you can be realistic about how much can be done about them in the short term. Since February, 30% of bugzilla entries are from bearophile! It's really impressive. I kind of started thinking of Bearophile as the conscience of the newsgroup a while back ;-) Always sitting on your shoulder pointing out how things should be better or could be fixed. He really is a tireless user advocate! As for the current directly, I think the most critical matter is bugfixes, bugfixes, bugfixes, which is why I was pleased to see that last changelog. It's disheartening to run headlong into a language bug every time I code something in D2. I don't know about the rest of people here in the NG, but actually I would hope bearophile would post much less often, especially when its him creating a new thread. And that's simply because he posts way too often, with lots of detail, and it takes a lot of time to read up on all that content, and to think about it with some depth. My default behavior with threads created by bearophile is just to skim or skip them over altogether. And it has nothing to do with quality of what bearophile says, because actually I think he often makes good points and brings good insights... but there are just *way* too many of them :P (not to mention the huge stream of links to articles on other sites that often accompany bearophile's posts) So yeah, bearophile, that's my plea. :-o Some of us like to sleep the recommended number of hours... No way! Just don't read his posts if you are not interested. Like I said, I already do that, not so because of lack of interest, but lack of time. If all one cares is learning, discussion, and intellectual discovery, then its not a problem, but please understand that most people here want to do productive work (ie, coding), and only dedicate a small portion of their time to reading posts and articles. Otherwise you'll get little done. You may not care if that's my case, but do realize that Walter is in a very similar position. (and likely Andrei as well, to a lesser extent) I won't speak in their name, I don't know if they read all of bearophile's posts in detail and with thoughtful consideration or not, or if they would prefer more or less posts of that nature (or not care at all). I can only speak for me, but (even though I admit my time-management skills are less than average) I would suspect their stance is not too different. -- Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)
On 05/10/2010 20:53, Juanjo Alvarez wrote: On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:30:59 +0100, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: I don't know about the rest of people here in the NG, but actually I would hope bearophile would post much less often, especially when its I like to read his posts. If you used a NNTP reader on a smartphone (like, SPAM, the one I wrote for Android) you could reserve these posts for some moments like waiting in a queue or the tea to start boiling ;) Reading newsgroups on phone would suck. I already get a bit uncomfortable reading them on my laptop (without a peripheral monitor or mouse). In any case I already try to use that sort of dead-time (mostly waiting for public transport or appointments) in other ways. Often its using the phone to read pdfs or articles. -- Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:55:40 +0100, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: Reading newsgroups on phone would suck. I already get a bit uncomfortable reading them on my laptop (without a peripheral monitor or mouse). Not worse than reading email on a phone,trough the experience is course worse than on a computer.
Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)
On 27/08/2010 03:01, Gareth Charnock wrote: On 26/08/10 07:57, Don wrote: Walter Bright wrote: bearophile wrote: This is why I don't like a lot the current work done for the 64 bit implementation. A lot of groups cannot consider D unless it supports 64 bit compilation. D2 has some design problems (I don't call them 'enhancement requests') that if you want to fix may require to break backward compatibility (they are things that can't just be added to the D2 language), few months ago I have listed about ten of them here (and I think Walter did just ignore them), 71 bugzilla issues were resolved just in the last update. I don't think it's quite fair to characterize the ongoing development as ignoring the community. You list several things *per day*. I doubt any organization could keep up with the sheer volume of your output g. I'm not suggesting that you stop doing it, quite the contrary. I just hope you can be realistic about how much can be done about them in the short term. Since February, 30% of bugzilla entries are from bearophile! It's really impressive. I kind of started thinking of Bearophile as the conscience of the newsgroup a while back ;-) Always sitting on your shoulder pointing out how things should be better or could be fixed. He really is a tireless user advocate! As for the current directly, I think the most critical matter is bugfixes, bugfixes, bugfixes, which is why I was pleased to see that last changelog. It's disheartening to run headlong into a language bug every time I code something in D2. I don't know about the rest of people here in the NG, but actually I would hope bearophile would post much less often, especially when its him creating a new thread. And that's simply because he posts way too often, with lots of detail, and it takes a lot of time to read up on all that content, and to think about it with some depth. My default behavior with threads created by bearophile is just to skim or skip them over altogether. And it has nothing to do with quality of what bearophile says, because actually I think he often makes good points and brings good insights... but there are just *way* too many of them :P (not to mention the huge stream of links to articles on other sites that often accompany bearophile's posts) So yeah, bearophile, that's my plea. :-o Some of us like to sleep the recommended number of hours... -- Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)
On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:30:59 +0400, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: On 27/08/2010 03:01, Gareth Charnock wrote: On 26/08/10 07:57, Don wrote: Walter Bright wrote: bearophile wrote: This is why I don't like a lot the current work done for the 64 bit implementation. A lot of groups cannot consider D unless it supports 64 bit compilation. D2 has some design problems (I don't call them 'enhancement requests') that if you want to fix may require to break backward compatibility (they are things that can't just be added to the D2 language), few months ago I have listed about ten of them here (and I think Walter did just ignore them), 71 bugzilla issues were resolved just in the last update. I don't think it's quite fair to characterize the ongoing development as ignoring the community. You list several things *per day*. I doubt any organization could keep up with the sheer volume of your output g. I'm not suggesting that you stop doing it, quite the contrary. I just hope you can be realistic about how much can be done about them in the short term. Since February, 30% of bugzilla entries are from bearophile! It's really impressive. I kind of started thinking of Bearophile as the conscience of the newsgroup a while back ;-) Always sitting on your shoulder pointing out how things should be better or could be fixed. He really is a tireless user advocate! As for the current directly, I think the most critical matter is bugfixes, bugfixes, bugfixes, which is why I was pleased to see that last changelog. It's disheartening to run headlong into a language bug every time I code something in D2. I don't know about the rest of people here in the NG, but actually I would hope bearophile would post much less often, especially when its him creating a new thread. And that's simply because he posts way too often, with lots of detail, and it takes a lot of time to read up on all that content, and to think about it with some depth. My default behavior with threads created by bearophile is just to skim or skip them over altogether. And it has nothing to do with quality of what bearophile says, because actually I think he often makes good points and brings good insights... but there are just *way* too many of them :P (not to mention the huge stream of links to articles on other sites that often accompany bearophile's posts) So yeah, bearophile, that's my plea. :-o Some of us like to sleep the recommended number of hours... No way! Just don't read his posts if you are not interested.
Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)
Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: I don't know about the rest of people here in the NG, but actually I would hope bearophile would post much less often, especially when its him creating a new thread. And that's simply because he posts way too often, with lots of detail, and it takes a lot of time to read up on all that content, and to think about it with some depth. My default behavior with threads created by bearophile is just to skim or skip them over altogether. And it has nothing to do with quality of what bearophile says, because actually I think he often makes good points and brings good insights... but there are just *way* too many of them :P (not to mention the huge stream of links to articles on other sites that often accompany bearophile's posts) Understandable, but bearophile's threads are often among the most interesting ones I feel, and well worth staying up late for. So yeah, bearophile, that's my plea. :-o Some of us like to sleep the recommended number of hours... That I've given up on a long time ago. -- Simen
Re: About Andrei's interview, part 3 (on bearophile)
On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:30:59 +0100, Bruno Medeiros brunodomedeiros+s...@com.gmail wrote: I don't know about the rest of people here in the NG, but actually I would hope bearophile would post much less often, especially when its I like to read his posts. If you used a NNTP reader on a smartphone (like, SPAM, the one I wrote for Android) you could reserve these posts for some moments like waiting in a queue or the tea to start boiling ;)
