Re: Not with the scene…
On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 14:56 +0200, Sönke Ludwig wrote: […] Regarding the dub music genre, it has to be said that although it is the root for dubstep and in turn ... brostep, it's usually not really comparable result-wise and I have a strong desire to avoid putting the word step somewhere in proximity of DUB ;) Perhaps this is the last word on the dubstep issue :-) http://www.mazbox.com/synths/dubstep/ -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: sip:russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Roadm: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Not with the scene…
On Sep 13, 2013 9:53 AM, Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 14:56 +0200, Sönke Ludwig wrote: […] Regarding the dub music genre, it has to be said that although it is the root for dubstep and in turn ... brostep, it's usually not really comparable result-wise and I have a strong desire to avoid putting the word step somewhere in proximity of DUB ;) Perhaps this is the last word on the dubstep issue :-) http://www.mazbox.com/synths/dubstep/ Someone should port to D. In fact that's one thing I'd definitely would like to start a case for - using D in audio processing (eg: effects, synths :-) Regards -- Iain Buclaw *(p e ? p++ : p) = (c 0x0f) + '0';
Re: Not with the scene…
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:50:52 +0100 Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 14:56 +0200, Sönke Ludwig wrote: […] Regarding the dub music genre, it has to be said that although it is the root for dubstep and in turn ... brostep, it's usually not really comparable result-wise and I have a strong desire to avoid putting the word step somewhere in proximity of DUB ;) Perhaps this is the last word on the dubstep issue :-) http://www.mazbox.com/synths/dubstep/ I always knew one day I'd see DSP done in JS, and there it is! I'm torn - on one had it's an affront to good software engineering, but OTOH, it's so damn cool in a high-precision PI in DOS batch sort of way :)
Re: Not with the scene…
On Friday, 13 September 2013 at 16:27:11 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: On Sep 13, 2013 9:53 AM, Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 14:56 +0200, Sönke Ludwig wrote: […] Regarding the dub music genre, it has to be said that although it is the root for dubstep and in turn ... brostep, it's usually not really comparable result-wise and I have a strong desire to avoid putting the word step somewhere in proximity of DUB ;) Perhaps this is the last word on the dubstep issue :-) http://www.mazbox.com/synths/dubstep/ Someone should port to D. In fact that's one thing I'd definitely would like to start a case for - using D in audio processing (eg: effects, synths :-) Regards Me too. Unfortunately the whole pro-audio plugin industry is completely wrapped around steinbergs little finger, doing everything as VSTs in c++.
Re: Not with the scene…
On 13 September 2013 22:18, John Colvin john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, 13 September 2013 at 16:27:11 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: On Sep 13, 2013 9:53 AM, Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 14:56 +0200, Sönke Ludwig wrote: […] Regarding the dub music genre, it has to be said that although it is the root for dubstep and in turn ... brostep, it's usually not really comparable result-wise and I have a strong desire to avoid putting the word step somewhere in proximity of DUB ;) Perhaps this is the last word on the dubstep issue :-) http://www.mazbox.com/synths/dubstep/ Someone should port to D. In fact that's one thing I'd definitely would like to start a case for - using D in audio processing (eg: effects, synths :-) Regards Me too. Unfortunately the whole pro-audio plugin industry is completely wrapped around steinbergs little finger, doing everything as VSTs in c++. Perhaps you haven't heard of LV2? http://lv2plug.in/ -- Iain Buclaw *(p e ? p++ : p) = (c 0x0f) + '0';
Re: Not with the scene…
On Friday, 13 September 2013 at 23:03:16 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: On 13 September 2013 22:18, John Colvin john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, 13 September 2013 at 16:27:11 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: On Sep 13, 2013 9:53 AM, Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 14:56 +0200, Sönke Ludwig wrote: […] Regarding the dub music genre, it has to be said that although it is the root for dubstep and in turn ... brostep, it's usually not really comparable result-wise and I have a strong desire to avoid putting the word step somewhere in proximity of DUB ;) Perhaps this is the last word on the dubstep issue :-) http://www.mazbox.com/synths/dubstep/ Someone should port to D. In fact that's one thing I'd definitely would like to start a case for - using D in audio processing (eg: effects, synths :-) Regards Me too. Unfortunately the whole pro-audio plugin industry is completely wrapped around steinbergs little finger, doing everything as VSTs in c++. Perhaps you haven't heard of LV2? http://lv2plug.in/ It looks OK, but VST has an almost complete stranglehold (with the exception of AU on OS-X I suppose). Linux and open source have really failed to make much of an impact in the world of audio. Almost all the pros are on OSX/Windows with £500+ DAWs* and thousands of pounds of closed source VST plugins. A large proportion of free VSTs aren't even open source. *The notable exception being Reaper, which is very affordable and quite widely used these days.
Re: Not with the scene…
On 14 September 2013 00:34, John Colvin john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, 13 September 2013 at 23:03:16 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: On 13 September 2013 22:18, John Colvin john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, 13 September 2013 at 16:27:11 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: On Sep 13, 2013 9:53 AM, Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 14:56 +0200, Sönke Ludwig wrote: […] Regarding the dub music genre, it has to be said that although it is the root for dubstep and in turn ... brostep, it's usually not really comparable result-wise and I have a strong desire to avoid putting the word step somewhere in proximity of DUB ;) Perhaps this is the last word on the dubstep issue :-) http://www.mazbox.com/synths/dubstep/ Someone should port to D. In fact that's one thing I'd definitely would like to start a case for - using D in audio processing (eg: effects, synths :-) Regards Me too. Unfortunately the whole pro-audio plugin industry is completely wrapped around steinbergs little finger, doing everything as VSTs in c++. Perhaps you haven't heard of LV2? http://lv2plug.in/ It looks OK, but VST has an almost complete stranglehold (with the exception of AU on OS-X I suppose). Linux and open source have really failed to make much of an impact in the world of audio. Almost all the pros are on OSX/Windows with £500+ DAWs* and thousands of pounds of closed source VST plugins. A large proportion of free VSTs aren't even open source. *The notable exception being Reaper, which is very affordable and quite widely used these days. I've been considering getting energyXT in recent days... http://www.energy-xt.com/index.php?id=0101 -- Iain Buclaw *(p e ? p++ : p) = (c 0x0f) + '0';
Re: Not with the scene…
Am 14.09.2013 01:03, schrieb Iain Buclaw: On 13 September 2013 22:18, John Colvin john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, 13 September 2013 at 16:27:11 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: On Sep 13, 2013 9:53 AM, Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: On Wed, 2013-09-11 at 14:56 +0200, Sönke Ludwig wrote: […] Regarding the dub music genre, it has to be said that although it is the root for dubstep and in turn ... brostep, it's usually not really comparable result-wise and I have a strong desire to avoid putting the word step somewhere in proximity of DUB ;) Perhaps this is the last word on the dubstep issue :-) http://www.mazbox.com/synths/dubstep/ Someone should port to D. In fact that's one thing I'd definitely would like to start a case for - using D in audio processing (eg: effects, synths :-) Regards Me too. Unfortunately the whole pro-audio plugin industry is completely wrapped around steinbergs little finger, doing everything as VSTs in c++. Perhaps you haven't heard of LV2? http://lv2plug.in/ Or Overtone http://overtone.github.io/
Re: Not with the scene…
On Wednesday, 11 September 2013 at 12:00:19 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: There's a relatively recent derivative of the dub music genre called dubstep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep. More recently, dubstep begat a derived genre of...random noises...called brostep. The quintessential brostep recording person is probably Skrillex. This is what Skrillex sounds like, along with the reaction it typically gets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Mti91l2Sc That's probably one of his *better* tracks, actually. Basically, take the random noises that radio stations like to stick between songs and extend it to fill a CD. If you accidentally stumble upon the beginnings of a beat or melody, cease immediately. That's basically it. Apparently he won a Grammy for that. Still, at least it's not Taylor Swift. Dubstep is old news. *Monkstep* is where it's at. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgHclJGCOPY
Re: Not with the scene…
On Wednesday, 11 September 2013 at 12:00:19 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: There's a relatively recent derivative of the dub music genre called dubstep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep. More recently, dubstep begat a derived genre of...random noises...called brostep. The quintessential brostep recording person is probably Skrillex. This is what Skrillex sounds like, along with the reaction it typically gets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Mti91l2Sc That's probably one of his *better* tracks, actually. Basically, take the random noises that radio stations like to stick between songs and extend it to fill a CD. If you accidentally stumble upon the beginnings of a beat or melody, cease immediately. That's basically it. Apparently he won a Grammy for that. Still, at least it's not Taylor Swift. Dubstep is old news. *Monkstep* is where it's at. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgHclJGCOPY
Re: Not with the scene…
On 12 September 2013 08:31, Meta jared...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, 11 September 2013 at 12:00:19 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: There's a relatively recent derivative of the dub music genre called dubstep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep. More recently, dubstep begat a derived genre of...random noises...called brostep. The quintessential brostep recording person is probably Skrillex. This is what Skrillex sounds like, along with the reaction it typically gets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Mti91l2Sc That's probably one of his *better* tracks, actually. Basically, take the random noises that radio stations like to stick between songs and extend it to fill a CD. If you accidentally stumble upon the beginnings of a beat or melody, cease immediately. That's basically it. Apparently he won a Grammy for that. Still, at least it's not Taylor Swift. Dubstep is old news. *Monkstep* is where it's at. Monkstep? Pfft... Folkstep is the way forward. ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3fTw_D3l10 -- Iain Buclaw *(p e ? p++ : p) = (c 0x0f) + '0';
Re: Not with the scene…
On 2013-09-10 23:53, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Europe has good taste in music. Example: Almost anytime I watch Top Gear, I notice them using great songs that I recognize from my own collection that you almost never hear played here in the US. Stuff like Prodigy or Crystal Method, for example. And The Allman Brothers Band for the intro music. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: Not with the scene…
On Sep 10, 2013 10:56 PM, Nick Sabalausky seewebsitetocontac...@semitwist.com wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:23:48 +0200 Paulo Pinto pj...@progtools.org wrote: Really?!? It is quite popular in Europe. Europe has good taste in music. Example: Almost anytime I watch Top Gear, I notice them using great songs that I recognize from my own collection that you almost never hear played here in the US. Stuff like Prodigy or Crystal Method, for example. They've even had Mars Volta once (Cassandra Gemini) Regards -- Iain Buclaw *(p e ? p++ : p) = (c 0x0f) + '0';
Re: Not with the scene…
On Wednesday, 11 September 2013 at 08:32:43 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2013-09-10 23:53, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Europe has good taste in music. Example: Almost anytime I watch Top Gear, I notice them using great songs that I recognize from my own collection that you almost never hear played here in the US. Stuff like Prodigy or Crystal Method, for example. And The Allman Brothers Band for the intro music. In Ireland Dub means someone who is from Dublin. If you support Dublin in Hurling or Gaelic Football you'll shout Up the Dubs.
Re: Not with the scene…
On Tuesday, 10 September 2013 at 20:35:00 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:26:48 +0100 Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: Perhaps I am late to the party, but clearly all the meta-data associated with packages managed by Dub are Dub Records. Groan. Heh, took me awhile to release what you were saying here. But don't worry, as long as it isn't Bro Step. KAMOULOX ! Seriously, this thread looks like a juxtaposition of random words to me. Can someone translate ?
Re: Not with the scene…
On Wednesday, 11 September 2013 at 08:46:12 UTC, deadalnix wrote: On Tuesday, 10 September 2013 at 20:35:00 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:26:48 +0100 Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: Perhaps I am late to the party, but clearly all the meta-data associated with packages managed by Dub are Dub Records. Groan. Heh, took me awhile to release what you were saying here. But don't worry, as long as it isn't Bro Step. KAMOULOX ! Seriously, this thread looks like a juxtaposition of random words to me. Can someone translate ? Like DEADALNIX? Only messin' ...
Re: Not with the scene…
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:46:11 +0200 deadalnix deadal...@gmail.com wrote: KAMOULOX ! Seriously, this thread looks like a juxtaposition of random words to me. Can someone translate ? Hopefully I can explain without making things more confusing... Perhaps I am late to the party, but clearly all the meta-data associated with packages managed by Dub are Dub Records. Groan. There's the DUB package manager for D: https://github.com/rejectedsoftware/dub And apparently (although I guess I never noticed this) the meta-data for each package is called a record (a common, albeit old, term for a database entry). But, turns out dub record is a pun (whether it's intentional, I don't know). Because dub is a type of music: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_%28music%29 So the dual meaning: dub record (matadata for the dub package manager) and dub record (a vinyl pressing of dub music). Being a pun, it elicited a groan ;) Heh, took me awhile to release what you were saying here. But don't worry, as long as it isn't Bro Step. (Speaking of things that elicit groans...) There's a relatively recent derivative of the dub music genre called dubstep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep. More recently, dubstep begat a derived genre of...random noises...called brostep. The quintessential brostep recording person is probably Skrillex. This is what Skrillex sounds like, along with the reaction it typically gets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Mti91l2Sc That's probably one of his *better* tracks, actually. Basically, take the random noises that radio stations like to stick between songs and extend it to fill a CD. If you accidentally stumble upon the beginnings of a beat or melody, cease immediately. That's basically it. Apparently he won a Grammy for that. Still, at least it's not Taylor Swift.
Re: Not with the scene…
Am 11.09.2013 14:00, schrieb Nick Sabalausky: There's the DUB package manager for D: https://github.com/rejectedsoftware/dub And apparently (although I guess I never noticed this) the meta-data for each package is called a record (a common, albeit old, term for a database entry). Slight disclaimer: It's not actually called like that, but Russel implied that this would make sense. However, the loose resemblance of an audio cassette in case of the DUB logo and a 7 record in case of the vibe.d logo does fall in the same category I guess. ;) But seriously, it's a pity that record is not an adequate name for a DUB package -- calling it package always makes for confusion wrt. D packages/modules. So if anyone has a better term that would be awesome... Regarding the dub music genre, it has to be said that although it is the root for dubstep and in turn ... brostep, it's usually not really comparable result-wise and I have a strong desire to avoid putting the word step somewhere in proximity of DUB ;)
Re: Not with the scene…
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:56:42 +0200 Sönke Ludwig slud...@outerproduct.org wrote: Regarding the dub music genre, it has to be said that although it is the root for dubstep and in turn ... brostep, it's usually not really comparable result-wise Oh right, and I certainly agree. A music genere (or subgenre), even if originally derived from another one, is it's own unique thing, separate from its original influences. Rock is considered to have derived, at least in part, from blues and folk, and yet none of those are likely to be confused with each other. Musique concrete was pretty much *deliberately* random/arbitrary sounds, and not something I personally like, but it gave rise to industrial, and in turn, industrial rock, industrial metal, industrial dance which are some of my favorites. Of course, there's sooo damn many different subgenres and cross genres, etc these days, it can be hard to have any idea what's what. and I have a strong desire to avoid putting the word step somewhere in proximity of DUB ;) Heh :) Shucks, and here I was hoping for a NeXT port!
Re: Not with the scene…
On 2013-09-11 14:00, Nick Sabalausky wrote: There's a relatively recent derivative of the dub music genre called dubstep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep. So if I add DStep as a package in dub we get: dubstep :) -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: Not with the scene…
Am 11.09.2013 15:25, schrieb Jacob Carlborg: On 2013-09-11 14:00, Nick Sabalausky wrote: There's a relatively recent derivative of the dub music genre called dubstep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep. So if I add DStep as a package in dub we get: dubstep :) Oh noes! There it happened ;) If that's the case I can as well start on the NeXTStep port...
Re: Not with the scene…
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:34:47 -0400 Nick Sabalausky seewebsitetocontac...@semitwist.com wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:26:48 +0100 Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: Perhaps I am late to the party, but clearly all the meta-data associated with packages managed by Dub are Dub Records. Groan. Heh, took me awhile to release what you were saying here. s/release/realize --- apparently needs coffee But don't worry, as long as it isn't Bro Step.
Re: Not with the scene…
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:26:48 +0100 Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: Perhaps I am late to the party, but clearly all the meta-data associated with packages managed by Dub are Dub Records. Groan. Heh, took me awhile to release what you were saying here. But don't worry, as long as it isn't Bro Step.
Re: Not with the scene…
On 9/10/13, Nick Sabalausky seewebsitetocontac...@semitwist.com wrote: s/release/realize --- apparently needs coffee Realize the kraken!
Re: Not with the scene…
On Tuesday, 10 September 2013 at 21:11:37 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 16:34:47 Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:26:48 +0100 Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: Perhaps I am late to the party, but clearly all the meta-data associated with packages managed by Dub are Dub Records. Groan. Heh, took me awhile to release what you were saying here. Whereas I have absolutely no idea... :( - Jonathan M Davis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_(music) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LP_record
Re: Not with the scene…
On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 23:14:15 Brad Anderson wrote: On Tuesday, 10 September 2013 at 21:11:37 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 16:34:47 Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:26:48 +0100 Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: Perhaps I am late to the party, but clearly all the meta-data associated with packages managed by Dub are Dub Records. Groan. Heh, took me awhile to release what you were saying here. Whereas I have absolutely no idea... :( - Jonathan M Davis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_(music) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LP_record I know about LPs, but I didn't know that dub was a genre of music. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: Not with the scene…
On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 16:34:47 Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:26:48 +0100 Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: Perhaps I am late to the party, but clearly all the meta-data associated with packages managed by Dub are Dub Records. Groan. Heh, took me awhile to release what you were saying here. Whereas I have absolutely no idea... :( - Jonathan M Davis
Re: Not with the scene…
Am 10.09.2013 23:17, schrieb Jonathan M Davis: On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 23:14:15 Brad Anderson wrote: On Tuesday, 10 September 2013 at 21:11:37 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 16:34:47 Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:26:48 +0100 Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: Perhaps I am late to the party, but clearly all the meta-data associated with packages managed by Dub are Dub Records. Groan. Heh, took me awhile to release what you were saying here. Whereas I have absolutely no idea... :( - Jonathan M Davis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_(music) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LP_record I know about LPs, but I didn't know that dub was a genre of music. - Jonathan M Davis Really?!? It is quite popular in Europe.
Re: Not with the scene…
On Tuesday, 10 September 2013 at 21:17:23 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 23:14:15 Brad Anderson wrote: On Tuesday, 10 September 2013 at 21:11:37 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 16:34:47 Nick Sabalausky wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:26:48 +0100 Russel Winder rus...@winder.org.uk wrote: Perhaps I am late to the party, but clearly all the meta-data associated with packages managed by Dub are Dub Records. Groan. Heh, took me awhile to release what you were saying here. Whereas I have absolutely no idea... :( - Jonathan M Davis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_(music) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LP_record I know about LPs, but I didn't know that dub was a genre of music. - Jonathan M Davis Think slow reggae with loads of echo
Re: Not with the scene…
On Tuesday, 10 September 2013 at 21:05:25 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 9/10/13, Nick Sabalausky seewebsitetocontac...@semitwist.com wrote: s/release/realize --- apparently needs coffee Realize the kraken! Always associated this http://www.krakenrum.com/ for me =)
Re: Not with the scene…
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:23:48 +0200 Paulo Pinto pj...@progtools.org wrote: Really?!? It is quite popular in Europe. Europe has good taste in music. Example: Almost anytime I watch Top Gear, I notice them using great songs that I recognize from my own collection that you almost never hear played here in the US. Stuff like Prodigy or Crystal Method, for example.
