Re: Open source dmd on Reddit!

2009-03-13 Thread Simen Kjaeraas

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:57:12 +0100, Derek Parnell  wrote:


On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:59:08 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:



If you work with kids teaching them to read phonetically (rather than
look-say), you'll discover that by and large, the phonetic rules work
very well. They'll pronounce about 80% of the unfamiliar words
reasonably correctly.


I wound the bandage around the wound.

Wind up the window to stop the wind coming in.

And of course there's "ghoti" ;-)


Ghoti is nothing. In norwegian, we write 'hund' and pronounce it 'bikkje'. :p


Re: Open source dmd on Reddit!

2009-03-13 Thread Christopher Wright

Nick Sabalausky wrote:
"Walter Bright"  wrote in message 
news:gpc2ik$2t8...@digitalmars.com...

Nick Sabalausky wrote:
That's one thing that's kind of nice about Japanese. Native words and 
loanwords are written in different alphabets (sort of like uppercase vs 
lowercase), so unlike English, you generally know if a word is a 
properly-pronounced native word or a potentially-differently-pronounced 
loanword. (Not that this is necessarily the original reason for the 
separate native/foreign alphabets, but it's at least a nice benefit.)
I don't see having 3 alphabets as having some sort of compelling advantage 
that remotely compares with the cost of learning 3 alphabets and 3 
spellings for everything.


Native Japanese words never use the Katakana alphabet, and loanwords never 
use the Hiragana alphabet (those are the two phonetic alphabets).


There are situations in Japanese where you use katakana natively. 
Onomatopoeia, for instance, and company names.


I know that, when introducing someone's name in writing, an author will 
sometimes follow the kanji version of the name with a phonological 
representation of the name. Does this typically use hiragana, or would 
you use katakana for that as well?


Re: Open source dmd on Reddit!

2009-03-13 Thread Daniel Keep


Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:57:12 +0100, Derek Parnell  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:59:08 -0700, Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If you work with kids teaching them to read phonetically (rather than
>>> look-say), you'll discover that by and large, the phonetic rules work
>>> very well. They'll pronounce about 80% of the unfamiliar words
>>> reasonably correctly.
>>
>> I wound the bandage around the wound.
>>
>> Wind up the window to stop the wind coming in.
>>
>> And of course there's "ghoti" ;-)
> 
> Ghoti is nothing. In norwegian, we write 'hund' and pronounce it
> 'bikkje'. :p

Perhaps, but you guys make the best sandwich cheese in the world.
Seriously.  I <3 jarlsberg.  Plus it's fun to say.

"Yullsburg, yullsburg.  But in Latin, 'jarlsberg' begins with an 'i'..."

:D

  -- Daniel


Re: Open source dmd on Reddit!

2009-03-13 Thread Sean Kelly

Nick Sabalausky wrote:
"Walter Bright"  wrote in message 
news:gpbpib$2ee...@digitalmars.com...

Ary Borenszweig wrote:

What do you mean with pseudo-phonetic?

How do you pronounce the first letter of "I"? And the first letter of 
"Incredible"? That doesn't seem to have any logic! :-P


Yea, that's exactly what I mean. English pretends to be phonetic but really 
isn't (at least not anymore). But I never truly saw just how non-phonetic it 
was until I learned the Japanese -kana alphabets. Those alphabets really 
make English's claim of being phonetic look ridiculous.


To be fair, English stems from Germanic, and pronunciation has changed 
tremendously over the years.  Chaucer is nearly incomprehensible to most 
people, and it's just in Middle English.


D release > v1.030 is not stable ???

2009-03-13 Thread The Anh Tran

Download page says so:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/download.html

I've never noticed this until i make proposal for my friends.
Thanks.


Re: D release > v1.030 is not stable ???

2009-03-13 Thread Steven Schveighoffer

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:12:47 -0400, The Anh Tran wrote:


Download page says so:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/download.html

I've never noticed this until i make proposal for my friends.
Thanks.



The whole 1.0 branch is supposed to be stable (meaning, no new features  
only bug fixes).  There have been releases that were unusable due to  
obscure introduced bugs, but there are definitely more recent versions  
than 1.030 that were usable.  I use 1.038 at the moment.


I have no idea why 1.030 is annointed the stable version.

-Steve


Re: D release > v1.030 is not stable ???

2009-03-13 Thread Jarrett Billingsley
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Steven Schveighoffer
 wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:12:47 -0400, The Anh Tran wrote:
>
> The whole 1.0 branch is supposed to be stable (meaning, no new features only
> bug fixes).  There have been releases that were unusable due to obscure
> introduced bugs, but there are definitely more recent versions than 1.030
> that were usable.  I use 1.038 at the moment.

I don't know why there's a 'stable' version either.  The newer
versions are usually more stable (fewer bugs).

> I have no idea why 1.030 is annointed the stable version.

Worse, which version is "stable" is inconsistent.  On the D1
changelog, it has a link to download the latest stable compiler,
marked as 1.020.