Re: glad OpenGL loader generator
On Tuesday, 13 August 2013 at 10:41:49 UTC, David wrote: Am 13.08.2013 05:51, schrieb evilrat: On Monday, 12 August 2013 at 13:45:46 UTC, David wrote: Did you confuse gles2 (GL ES 2.0) with gl3n? Or did you speak of glamour, which has indeed gl3n interaction, which can be turned on with -version=gl3n: make DCFLAGS+=-version=gl3n. But I recommend you to include gl3n and glamour as submodule or if you don't use git, simply the sources. This makes your code independent of a systemwide installation and it's only a few files. glad is a replacement for Derelicts GL bindings. Soon it will also provide a EGL support (which should already work), WGL and GLX. no no, i don't want use other opengl bindings right now, derelict just fine, but i need some good(public available) math lib to put in my examples, and the problem is that gl3n compiles as 32 bit(-m32) on OS X(i use it because i don't have PC and i don't know when i would have it) by default and there seems no way to remove this misbehavior :( This shouldn't happen and doesn't happen for me. Easiest way to use gl3n (and also what I recommend) is to use it as git submodule or simply copy the sources into your project and integrate it into your buildsystem. Works well with dub. Dead simple too.
Re: D reaches 1000 questions on stackoverflow
On Wednesday, 14 August 2013 at 19:52:13 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote: On Tuesday, 6 August 2013 at 16:02:57 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: On Tuesday, 6 August 2013 at 01:22:29 UTC, Andre Artus wrote: Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/d Andrei Perhaps we can get it to 1000 answers? I'm looking through it now to see if I can find something I can answer. I think the lack of answers is due to most D aficionados posting questions on http://forum.dlang.org/group/digitalmars.D.learn instead of stackoverflow. The last time I asked a question I did it on both assuming I'd get better answers here than there. I was right and had to answer my own question on SO (with the answer I got on the forum from a helpful D programmer) so that others might benefit. I'm not entirely sure this relative insularity is good for D (which is why I bothered to ask my question on SO to begin with). Atila There is really nothing wrong about answering/asking questions here instead of the StackOverflow. As with many things it depends on what you want to achieve. Answering on SO is as much about establishing awareness as it is about answering the question. For a newcomer to D StackOverflow may be their first port of call, if questions go unanswered, or are answered after long delays, then the likelihood of the person persisting with D is diminished. A relatively small number of people are attracted to tools and languages that don't have broad exposure. These people are marked by dogged determinism and a high tolerance for [mental] pain. Your average Joe or Jane is not like that, they have something they want to achieve and if they perceive the language/tools are working against them they will try something else. It could be argued that D (broadly) isn't ready for Joe and Jane yet, but if it isn't yet, it must plan to be ready soon.
Re: D reaches 1000 questions on stackoverflow
On Wednesday, 14 August 2013 at 21:03:37 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Wednesday, 14 August 2013 at 20:56:33 UTC, Andre Artus wrote: if questions go unanswered, or are answered after long delays, then the likelihood of the person persisting with D is diminished. Is this a big problem with D? I don't do stack overflow often, but I try to check in every few days to check the D tag, and I usually see answers there by the time I click it. I don't think it is a big problem, 28 unanswered questions out of just over a thousand isn't a terrible stat, but most of those unanswered questions seem to have been there for months. About 1/2 of them have an answer, but are not marked as such. Often the question isn't clear, or the answer is given as a comment. I'm not saying that the D community is unresponsive, quite the opposite is true, my main point was that one cannot dismiss the value of discoverability.
Re: D reaches 1000 questions on stackoverflow
On 8/14/13 2:59 PM, Andre Artus wrote: On Wednesday, 14 August 2013 at 21:03:37 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Wednesday, 14 August 2013 at 20:56:33 UTC, Andre Artus wrote: if questions go unanswered, or are answered after long delays, then the likelihood of the person persisting with D is diminished. Is this a big problem with D? I don't do stack overflow often, but I try to check in every few days to check the D tag, and I usually see answers there by the time I click it. I don't think it is a big problem, 28 unanswered questions out of just over a thousand isn't a terrible stat, but most of those unanswered questions seem to have been there for months. About 1/2 of them have an answer, but are not marked as such. Often the question isn't clear, or the answer is given as a comment. I'm not saying that the D community is unresponsive, quite the opposite is true, my main point was that one cannot dismiss the value of discoverability. Yes. In a way SO is preferable to this forum because it's much more popular. Andrei
Re: D reaches 1000 questions on stackoverflow
On 8/14/13 2:03 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Wednesday, 14 August 2013 at 20:56:33 UTC, Andre Artus wrote: if questions go unanswered, or are answered after long delays, then the likelihood of the person persisting with D is diminished. Is this a big problem with D? I don't do stack overflow often, but I try to check in every few days to check the D tag, and I usually see answers there by the time I click it. You can define a filter that emails you whenever there are new questions on the D tag. Andrei
Re: D reaches 1000 questions on stackoverflow
On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 22:56:30 Andre Artus wrote: As with many things it depends on what you want to achieve. Answering on SO is as much about establishing awareness as it is about answering the question. For a newcomer to D StackOverflow may be their first port of call, if questions go unanswered, or are answered after long delays, then the likelihood of the person persisting with D is diminished. I answer questions on SO all the time, but I rarely ask anything there, and I never ask anything D-related there. Of course, if my question is D-related, I'm much more likely to _have_ to ask my question here to get a good answer anyway just based on how many people would even know the answer, simply because I know enough that anything I asked would be much more likely to be esoteric and/or require in-depth knowledge. The experts are all here, and only a small portion of them are on SO. In any case, I'd say that in general, asking your question on SO gives it more visibility to those outside of the core D community, but you're more likely to get a good answer here than there, because there are more people here, and this is where the experts are. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: D reaches 1000 questions on stackoverflow
On Thursday, 15 August 2013 at 02:30:42 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 22:56:30 Andre Artus wrote: As with many things it depends on what you want to achieve. Answering on SO is as much about establishing awareness as it is about answering the question. For a newcomer to D StackOverflow may be their first port of call, if questions go unanswered, or are answered after long delays, then the likelihood of the person persisting with D is diminished. I answer questions on SO all the time, but I rarely ask anything there, and I never ask anything D-related there. Of course, if my question is D-related, I'm much more likely to _have_ to ask my question here to get a good answer anyway just based on how many people would even know the answer, simply because I know enough that anything I asked would be much more likely to be esoteric and/or require in-depth knowledge. The experts are all here, and only a small portion of them are on SO. In any case, I'd say that in general, asking your question on SO gives it more visibility to those outside of the core D community, but you're more likely to get a good answer here than there, because there are more people here, and this is where the experts are. - Jonathan M Davis I agree with every point you've made here. If I had a D related question I would not head for SO first. I have found a lot in the D forums without actually having to ask the questions myself. But it does not do much for D's exposure. Evangelizing takes planning and effort. Technical merit is unfortunately insufficient to guarantee success in the marketplace of ideas. I have known about D for quite some time, but did not put too much effort into it until recently. It's when I stumbled across the DConf2013 videos that I realized that there is some serious legs under D. The quality of the presentations (in terms of content over glitz) exceeded that of many similar conferences I've seen. Languages like Ruby, Python, PHP, R, etc. do not have the buzz they do because of inherent technical merit, but perhaps in spite of thereof. Each has some killer framework compelling you to adopt the language in order to benefit from it, and people putting serious effort into evangelizing and lowering the barriers. I see there is a thread going on creating D GUI framework, I think that would be a major step towards lowering the barriers. It needs to be part of a batteries included set-up for D. So you can download D and run your Hello World GUI app in under 10 minutes. Not spend half the day searching for mostly abandoned efforts and then spending the rest of the day compiling the C/C++ dependencies only later to find that you have been sucked into the 7th layer of Dependency Hell. While modern C++ has become a lot less unpleasant it is still unpleasant; someone new to D should never have to run a C/C++ compiler for any reason other than to compare compilation time (with a big fat grin on their dial for choosing D).
Re: D reaches 1000 questions on stackoverflow
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 22:56:30 +0200 Andre Artus andre.ar...@gmail.com wrote: A relatively small number of people are attracted to tools and languages that don't have broad exposure. These people are marked by dogged determinism and a high tolerance for [mental] pain. Your average Joe or Jane is not like that, they have something they want to achieve and if they perceive the language/tools are working against them they will try something else. FWIW, I'm sold on D specifically *because* I have very little patience for tools that feel like they're working against me.
Re: D reaches 1000 questions on stackoverflow
On Thursday, 15 August 2013 at 02:30:42 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 22:56:30 Andre Artus wrote: As with many things it depends on what you want to achieve. Answering on SO is as much about establishing awareness as it is about answering the question. For a newcomer to D StackOverflow may be their first port of call, if questions go unanswered, or are answered after long delays, then the likelihood of the person persisting with D is diminished. I answer questions on SO all the time And I have to thank you for that. You leave some great, in-depth answers on Stack Overflow.
