Re: D User Survey

[Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 12/08/2017 08:00 PM, SomeRandomUser wrote:


Isn't that just culture (music) how popular is American Country music in 
Europe?  I have met one person that liked it.  Trump is hardly an 
ultra-conservative (not to mention the various groups of conservatism 
social, fiscal, neo, etc..).  Alot of the whites u mentioned voted for 
Obama last time around and are just scared of globalism and knew the 
alternative would push further down that path.  Not all D users look at 
forums and while I do agree their are far more users visible in Europe 
that doesn't mean it's not used here as well.


All the details are certainly debatable, and I won't claim to be 
well-versed enough in sociology, politics, etc to get into such details 
(nor would I really want to in a D.announce sub-thread - apologies if 
that sounds like back-peddling), but it's just a certain theme I've 
noticed that, from this insider at least, in my personal observation the 
country doesn't seem to be quite as progressive as it may appear to be 
(or claim to be), or as one might assume it to be (the super bowl nipple 
thing is another example), and my hypothesis is that could account for 
the US vs Europe D-uptake discrepency. But, of course one thing that 
*is* certain is that the US has a lot of both ulta-liberal, 
ultra-conservative, and everythintg in-between (and probably plenty of 
extremes on some other axes as well!). So grain of salt in hand, in any 
case, it's just a thought.

Re: D User Survey

[SomeRandomUser via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Friday, 8 December 2017 at 22:22:14 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
(Abscissa) wrote:

On 12/08/2017 05:53 AM, Chris wrote:

[...]


Speaking as a US citizen, it's long been my observation that 
americans (and I only mean collectively, of course, it's 
difficult to generalize down to individuals since that varies 
greatly) tend to be far more conservative than one would assume 
them to be.


Just as one example: The various genres of electronic music. 
Always succeeded far better in europe than they ever did the 
US. Americans would hear it and just bitch about "soulless", 
"doesn't require musical talent" and other such [nonsence]. But 
turn on (for example) BBC's Top Gear and they had recognizable 
Prodigy, Crystal Method, etc all over the place. And heck, most 
of Fluke's catalog isn't even available in the US. That sort of 
stuff just doesn't sell very well over here. Americans like 
their "three main acoustic cords" and steady simple 4/4 beats.


Even "silicon vally" isn't quite so much "open to new 
technology" as it is driven primarily by buzz and popularity.


And then there's the last presidential election, which, and I 
don't mean this to be snarky, just honest observation: it 
clearly demonstrated there's far more white 
tra...*cough*...umm..."ultra-conservatives" here than anyone 
ever thought.


From what I hear, we're one of the few remaining industrialized 
nations that has capital punishment. Whether that's good/bad is 
completely beside the point here, the point being: Either way, 
it's undeniably conservative.


Despite perhaps tipping my hand a bit, I really don't mean any 
of that as ranting at all, just illustrating that it DOES make 
sense that europe would be more open to D than the US:


Because the US *is* paradoxically much more conservative than 
one would expect from a relatively young country that produces 
as much software and electronics as it does. Whether that 
conservativeness is good/bad/other is open to opinion, but 
either way, it is what it is, and I think D's higher rate of 
success elsewhere can be traced to that.


Isn't that just culture (music) how popular is American Country 
music in Europe?  I have met one person that liked it.  Trump is 
hardly an ultra-conservative (not to mention the various groups 
of conservatism social, fiscal, neo, etc..).  Alot of the whites 
u mentioned voted for Obama last time around and are just scared 
of globalism and knew the alternative would push further down 
that path.  Not all D users look at forums and while I do agree 
their are far more users visible in Europe that doesn't mean it's 
not used here as well.

Re: D User Survey

[Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 12/08/2017 05:53 AM, Chris wrote:


Yep. D seems to be quite popular in Europe. I wonder why that is, given 
that it originated in the USA and people in the States are more open to 
new technologies. What were the technical and social factors at work 
here? Maybe D wasn't fancy enough to be taken seriously in the USA and 
maybe people from outside the USA (not only in Europe) looked at it and 
said "Hold on, that's something interesting...and we can contribute to 
it." D certainly struck a chord with many programmers around the globe, 
but what is it exactly? (Please no jokes about D major or D minor chords 
now ;)


Speaking as a US citizen, it's long been my observation that americans 
(and I only mean collectively, of course, it's difficult to generalize 
down to individuals since that varies greatly) tend to be far more 
conservative than one would assume them to be.


Just as one example: The various genres of electronic music. Always 
succeeded far better in europe than they ever did the US. Americans 
would hear it and just bitch about "soulless", "doesn't require musical 
talent" and other such [nonsence]. But turn on (for example) BBC's Top 
Gear and they had recognizable Prodigy, Crystal Method, etc all over the 
place. And heck, most of Fluke's catalog isn't even available in the US. 
That sort of stuff just doesn't sell very well over here. Americans like 
their "three main acoustic cords" and steady simple 4/4 beats.


Even "silicon vally" isn't quite so much "open to new technology" as it 
is driven primarily by buzz and popularity.


And then there's the last presidential election, which, and I don't mean 
this to be snarky, just honest observation: it clearly demonstrated 
there's far more white tra...*cough*...umm..."ultra-conservatives" here 
than anyone ever thought.


From what I hear, we're one of the few remaining industrialized nations 
that has capital punishment. Whether that's good/bad is completely 
beside the point here, the point being: Either way, it's undeniably 
conservative.


Despite perhaps tipping my hand a bit, I really don't mean any of that 
as ranting at all, just illustrating that it DOES make sense that europe 
would be more open to D than the US:


Because the US *is* paradoxically much more conservative than one would 
expect from a relatively young country that produces as much software 
and electronics as it does. Whether that conservativeness is 
good/bad/other is open to opinion, but either way, it is what it is, and 
I think D's higher rate of success elsewhere can be traced to that.

Re: d-apt update

[Michael via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Friday, 8 December 2017 at 15:53:24 UTC, Jordi Sayol wrote:

d-apt  release dmd v2.077.1

In this release, d-apt splits "dmd-bin" deb package into 
"dmd-compiler" (the command line compiler) and "dmd-tools" 
(includes: dumpobj, obj2asm, rdmd, ddemangle and dustmite).


Best regards,
Jordi.


Yeah this update seemed to break a couple of packages, but was 
fixed just fine.

d-apt update

[Jordi Sayol via Digitalmars-d-announce]

d-apt  release dmd v2.077.1

In this release, d-apt splits "dmd-bin" deb package into "dmd-compiler" (the 
command line compiler) and "dmd-tools" (includes: dumpobj, obj2asm, rdmd, 
ddemangle and dustmite).

Best regards,
Jordi.

Re: D User Survey

[Chris via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Thursday, 7 December 2017 at 18:22:46 UTC, user1234 wrote:



Survey techniques are a science after all. Google provides you 
the tools but without methodology it's peanuts. I suppose that 
this survey just allows you to locate yourself among the 
community, although it was already well known that D is more 
used in Europe and mostly by adults. I mean that the results 
cannot be used to change the development guide lines.




Yep. D seems to be quite popular in Europe. I wonder why that is, 
given that it originated in the USA and people in the States are 
more open to new technologies. What were the technical and social 
factors at work here? Maybe D wasn't fancy enough to be taken 
seriously in the USA and maybe people from outside the USA (not 
only in Europe) looked at it and said "Hold on, that's something 
interesting...and we can contribute to it." D certainly struck a 
chord with many programmers around the globe, but what is it 
exactly? (Please no jokes about D major or D minor chords now ;)