Re: D Language Foundation Monthly Meeting Summary (September 24, 2021)
On Friday, 1 October 2021 at 12:32:20 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: [...] new slogan [...] want to generate controversial heat? Do it in D (DIID) (careful with there being a trademark for DiiD though)
Re: Beta 2.098.0
On Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 17:36:28 UTC, ag0aep6g wrote: On 05.10.21 11:28, Imperatorn wrote: On Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 07:55:11 UTC, FeepingCreature wrote: On Monday, 4 October 2021 at 22:40:19 UTC, Temtaime wrote: [...] This is just uncalled for. I'm sure you can express what you mean without pointlessly and wrongly insulting the *reason we have this language,* a person who put more than twenty years of their life into this project. Agreed. It's totally OK to criticize, but one should do it in a constructive way Temtaime said that Walter is setting the wrong priorities. Saying that he is doing "nothing useful" is a bit polemic, of course, but that probably stems from frustration. In context, it's hardly an "insult". It's absolutely true that many reported issues don't get fixed for *years*. And that very much includes serious bugs. As far as I can tell, it's also true that Walter prioritizes new features instead (ImportC is the latest fad). I sympathize with Temtaime. Their criticism wasn't sugar-coated, but it is constructive and it is valid in my opinion. Idk, maybe it's just poorly worded. I can also sympathize, but saying someone is doing nothing useful is over the limit in my book. We all have stuff to deal with and making the right choices can be challenging. Just saying...
Re: D Language Foundation Monthly Meeting Summary (September 24, 2021)
On 10/3/21 2:24 PM, James Blachly wrote: > Cons: Potential association with silicon valley phrase "move fast and > break things". I am going off-topic but I feel I have to make a correction there. As a person who worked and lived in Silicon Valley since 1996 (since 1994 in the greater Bay Area), I can safely claim that that phrase has never been a Silicon Valley phrase. It was used by Facebook in their less enlightened days (a business that may arguably be associated with Silicon Valley by their postal address). Ali
Re: Beta 2.098.0
On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 07:36:28PM +0200, ag0aep6g via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: [...] > > > On Monday, 4 October 2021 at 22:40:19 UTC, Temtaime wrote: > > > > What is really discourages me that persons like Walter instead > > > > of making D great just do nothing helpful. [...] > It's absolutely true that many reported issues don't get fixed for > *years*. And that very much includes serious bugs. As far as I can > tell, it's also true that Walter prioritizes new features instead > (ImportC is the latest fad). > > I sympathize with Temtaime. Their criticism wasn't sugar-coated, but > it is constructive and it is valid in my opinion. I don't agree with the tone of the criticism, but I do sympathize with the sentiment. The sad reality is that it's much more fun to write new code than to debug old code. Especially when you just had a cool idea that feels like it would revolutionize everything. And it very well might do just that; but in the meantime, "boring" stuff like fixing bugs in the current (probably hairy, messy, unclean) code gets neglected. This is a particularly pronounced problem in groups consisting mostly of experts or highly-experienced people. Everybody wants to do the cool, innovative stuff, nobody feels like doing the boring grunt work. Worse yet, in high-expertise areas like debugging the D compiler even those who are willing to do the grunt work may not actually feel qualified enough to do it. But grunt work is just as necessary as the innovative, ground-breaking stuff. *Somebody* has to step up and be willing to do it. It's a thankless, unrewarding job, but a very necessary one. T -- Don't modify spaghetti code unless you can eat the consequences.
Re: Beta 2.098.0
On 05.10.21 11:28, Imperatorn wrote: On Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 07:55:11 UTC, FeepingCreature wrote: On Monday, 4 October 2021 at 22:40:19 UTC, Temtaime wrote: What is really discourages me that persons like Walter instead of making D great just do nothing helpful. This is just uncalled for. I'm sure you can express what you mean without pointlessly and wrongly insulting the *reason we have this language,* a person who put more than twenty years of their life into this project. Agreed. It's totally OK to criticize, but one should do it in a constructive way Temtaime said that Walter is setting the wrong priorities. Saying that he is doing "nothing useful" is a bit polemic, of course, but that probably stems from frustration. In context, it's hardly an "insult". It's absolutely true that many reported issues don't get fixed for *years*. And that very much includes serious bugs. As far as I can tell, it's also true that Walter prioritizes new features instead (ImportC is the latest fad). I sympathize with Temtaime. Their criticism wasn't sugar-coated, but it is constructive and it is valid in my opinion.
Re: Beta 2.098.0
On 10/4/21 6:40 PM, Temtaime wrote: What is really discourages me that persons like Walter instead of making D great just do nothing helpful. https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22115 was created for no reason and fixed same day. Aside from the tasteless (and incorrect) attack here, creating an issue, even for a small change, puts something into the changelog automatically. So there is a reason to open an issue for a PR you are just about to merge. In fact, sometimes it's noted as a prerequisite for a PR to reference a given issue. -Steve
Re: Beta 2.098.0
On Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 07:55:11 UTC, FeepingCreature wrote: On Monday, 4 October 2021 at 22:40:19 UTC, Temtaime wrote: What is really discourages me that persons like Walter instead of making D great just do nothing helpful. This is just uncalled for. I'm sure you can express what you mean without pointlessly and wrongly insulting the *reason we have this language,* a person who put more than twenty years of their life into this project. Agreed. It's totally OK to criticize, but one should do it in a constructive way
Re: Beta 2.098.0
On Monday, 4 October 2021 at 22:40:19 UTC, Temtaime wrote: What is really discourages me that persons like Walter instead of making D great just do nothing helpful. This is just uncalled for. I'm sure you can express what you mean without pointlessly and wrongly insulting the *reason we have this language,* a person who put more than twenty years of their life into this project.
