Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 12:35:35 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
Whoa, this must be pretty new. Though subkey used seems to be 
almost 1 year old now.


sub   rsa4096/12BB1939 2015-02-27


Why should I renew the subkey w/o cause?
Then everybody would need to redownload my public keys.
In any case I'd be in favor if more people sign my key, though we 
could do that next time we meet in person ;).

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Saturday, 28 November 2015 at 04:27:51 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 12:35:35 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
Whoa, this must be pretty new. Though subkey used seems to be 
almost 1 year old now.


sub   rsa4096/12BB1939 2015-02-27


Why should I renew the subkey w/o cause?
Then everybody would need to redownload my public keys.
In any case I'd be in favor if more people sign my key, though 
we could do that next time we meet in person ;).


You shouldn't, sorry for confusion - it was simply line of 
thought "haven't noticed before, must be new - but key is 
relatively old, must be blind" :)

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 2015-11-22 22:45, Brad Anderson wrote:


Apple isn't as important because I don't believe it does the Untrusted
Developer warning for opening .dmg files nor does it do it for running
command line applications.


It does for installers.

--
/Jacob Carlborg

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 04:37:18 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
And how about GPG signing of releases which comes free and 
actually helps? :P


When you hover over any of the download links on 
http://dlang.org/download.html, a corresponding .sig link will 
appear. Is this not what you're referring to?

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Sunday, 22 November 2015 at 21:45:06 UTC, Brad Anderson wrote:
1. SSL certificate for dlang.org (optionally getting an EV 
certificate would be a good way to advertise the Foundation in 
the address bar).


With https://letsencrypt.org/ launching very soon, it might not 
be necessary to pay for a SSL certificate.


BTW, Certum also offers very cheap (~$20 last I checked) personal 
Windows code-signing certificates for open source projects. The 
publisher will say "FirstName LastName, Open Source Developer", 
so probably not applicable to D.

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 08:33:10 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev 
wrote:

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 04:37:18 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
And how about GPG signing of releases which comes free and 
actually helps? :P


When you hover over any of the download links on 
http://dlang.org/download.html, a corresponding .sig link will 
appear. Is this not what you're referring to?


Whoa, this must be pretty new. Though subkey used seems to be 
almost 1 year old now.


sub   rsa4096/12BB1939 2015-02-27

That is very cool, though decision to put the mention of .sig 
into hover hint is weird :) I'll sign the key in that case, 
should start building some trust web.

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Rikki Cattermole via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 23/11/15 10:45 AM, Brad Anderson wrote:

On Thursday, 19 November 2015 at 12:31:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

On 11/17/2015 04:01 PM, cym13 wrote:

On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the
Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation
has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up
of my last royalty check.

The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we
can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more
months. I'll keep everybody posted.


Andrei


What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support
projects?


DConf is our largest annual spender. Also we plan a few small monthly
expenses. I'll keep everyone posted. -- Andrei


I have a recommendation for fairly small expense which would be a
perfect job for the newly formed Foundation. Get some certificates for
D. Walter was interested in the past with getting one for Digital Mars
to use but I think the idea got lost somewhere along the way. There are
three different certificates that would be good to have:

1. SSL certificate for dlang.org (optionally getting an EV certificate
would be a good way to advertise the Foundation in the address bar).
2. Code signing certificate for Windows from a Certificate Authority.
3. OS X code signing certificate from Apple.

The first two can be done pretty inexpensively through StartSSL (there
are plenty of other options though).

Apple isn't as important because I don't believe it does the Untrusted
Developer warning for opening .dmg files nor does it do it for running
command line applications. It's good for tamper security though. To
register with Apple you'll need a DUNS number for the Foundation which
you can create through Dun & Bradshaw (not sure if it's free).

Code signing the installers and executables means the Windows
SmartScreen protection systems won't kick in and give big, scary
warnings with non-obvious workarounds about the D downloads. It also
means the Admin Privilege request dialog would display the Foundation's
name which looks way more professional and trustworthy than an unsigned
executable. I think doing this eventually is important if you want D to
look professional and ready for primetime.


Given Apple's approach of disallowing any programs not signed to run by 
default, we REALLY need to get all programs for OSX signed.
IMO its more important then all the others, since it actively requires 
system change to make things work.

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Brad Anderson via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 04:37:18 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
And how about GPG signing of releases which comes free and 
actually helps? :P


On linux, sure. That'd be a good idea. That doesn't help with the 
usage problems on the other platforms though and GPG is kind of 
useless without the website certificate to serve the files and 
public keys.

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce]

And how about GPG signing of releases which comes free and 
actually helps? :P

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Bill Baxter via Digitalmars-d-announce]

It doesn't require a system change to run unsigned stuff on the Mac, it
just requires knowing the trick: open by ctrl-clicking on the icon and
choosing "Open" from the pop-up menu.  If you open it that way then it will
ask you if you really really want to open it, and there you can say yes.
If you, do it won't ask you again.

--bb

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Rikki Cattermole via
Digitalmars-d-announce  wrote:

> On 23/11/15 10:45 AM, Brad Anderson wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, 19 November 2015 at 12:31:01 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/17/2015 04:01 PM, cym13 wrote:
>>>
 On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

> Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the
> Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation
> has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up
> of my last royalty check.
>
> The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we
> can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more
> months. I'll keep everybody posted.
>
>
> Andrei
>

 What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support
 projects?

>>>
>>> DConf is our largest annual spender. Also we plan a few small monthly
>>> expenses. I'll keep everyone posted. -- Andrei
>>>
>>
>> I have a recommendation for fairly small expense which would be a
>> perfect job for the newly formed Foundation. Get some certificates for
>> D. Walter was interested in the past with getting one for Digital Mars
>> to use but I think the idea got lost somewhere along the way. There are
>> three different certificates that would be good to have:
>>
>> 1. SSL certificate for dlang.org (optionally getting an EV certificate
>> would be a good way to advertise the Foundation in the address bar).
>> 2. Code signing certificate for Windows from a Certificate Authority.
>> 3. OS X code signing certificate from Apple.
>>
>> The first two can be done pretty inexpensively through StartSSL (there
>> are plenty of other options though).
>>
>> Apple isn't as important because I don't believe it does the Untrusted
>> Developer warning for opening .dmg files nor does it do it for running
>> command line applications. It's good for tamper security though. To
>> register with Apple you'll need a DUNS number for the Foundation which
>> you can create through Dun & Bradshaw (not sure if it's free).
>>
>> Code signing the installers and executables means the Windows
>> SmartScreen protection systems won't kick in and give big, scary
>> warnings with non-obvious workarounds about the D downloads. It also
>> means the Admin Privilege request dialog would display the Foundation's
>> name which looks way more professional and trustworthy than an unsigned
>> executable. I think doing this eventually is important if you want D to
>> look professional and ready for primetime.
>>
>
> Given Apple's approach of disallowing any programs not signed to run by
> default, we REALLY need to get all programs for OSX signed.
> IMO its more important then all the others, since it actively requires
> system change to make things work.
>

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Rikki Cattermole via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 23/11/15 4:55 PM, Bill Baxter via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:

It doesn't require a system change to run unsigned stuff on the Mac, it
just requires knowing the trick: open by ctrl-clicking on the icon and
choosing "Open" from the pop-up menu.  If you open it that way then it
will ask you if you really really want to open it, and there you can say
yes.  If you, do it won't ask you again.

--bb


That is one more hurdle then on every other platform.
And I don't like the idea of us propagating that this trick most likely 
is needed. It makes us look bad.

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[rsw0x via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Monday, 23 November 2015 at 03:59:25 UTC, Rikki Cattermole 
wrote:
On 23/11/15 4:55 PM, Bill Baxter via Digitalmars-d-announce 
wrote:
It doesn't require a system change to run unsigned stuff on 
the Mac, it
just requires knowing the trick: open by ctrl-clicking on the 
icon and
choosing "Open" from the pop-up menu.  If you open it that way 
then it
will ask you if you really really want to open it, and there 
you can say

yes.  If you, do it won't ask you again.

--bb


That is one more hurdle then on every other platform.
And I don't like the idea of us propagating that this trick 
most likely is needed. It makes us look bad.


no other platform requires you to pay money so your users aren't 
inconvenienced

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Brad Anderson via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Thursday, 19 November 2015 at 12:31:01 UTC, Andrei 
Alexandrescu wrote:

On 11/17/2015 04:01 PM, cym13 wrote:
On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei 
Alexandrescu wrote:
Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation 
for the
Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language 
Foundation
has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a 
round-up

of my last royalty check.

The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, 
so we
can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few 
more

months. I'll keep everybody posted.


Andrei


What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? 
Support

projects?


DConf is our largest annual spender. Also we plan a few small 
monthly expenses. I'll keep everyone posted. -- Andrei


I have a recommendation for fairly small expense which would be a 
perfect job for the newly formed Foundation. Get some 
certificates for D. Walter was interested in the past with 
getting one for Digital Mars to use but I think the idea got lost 
somewhere along the way. There are three different certificates 
that would be good to have:


1. SSL certificate for dlang.org (optionally getting an EV 
certificate would be a good way to advertise the Foundation in 
the address bar).
2. Code signing certificate for Windows from a Certificate 
Authority.

3. OS X code signing certificate from Apple.

The first two can be done pretty inexpensively through StartSSL 
(there are plenty of other options though).


Apple isn't as important because I don't believe it does the 
Untrusted Developer warning for opening .dmg files nor does it do 
it for running command line applications. It's good for tamper 
security though. To register with Apple you'll need a DUNS number 
for the Foundation which you can create through Dun & Bradshaw 
(not sure if it's free).


Code signing the installers and executables means the Windows 
SmartScreen protection systems won't kick in and give big, scary 
warnings with non-obvious workarounds about the D downloads. It 
also means the Admin Privilege request dialog would display the 
Foundation's name which looks way more professional and 
trustworthy than an unsigned executable. I think doing this 
eventually is important if you want D to look professional and 
ready for primetime.

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On 11/17/2015 04:01 PM, cym13 wrote:

On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the
Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation
has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up
of my last royalty check.

The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we
can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more
months. I'll keep everybody posted.


Andrei


What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? Support
projects?


DConf is our largest annual spender. Also we plan a few small monthly 
expenses. I'll keep everyone posted. -- Andrei

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[deadalnix via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 21:01:42 UTC, cym13 wrote:
On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei 
Alexandrescu wrote:
Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for 
the Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language 
Foundation has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I 
promised, it's a round-up of my last royalty check.


The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, 
so we can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a 
few more months. I'll keep everybody posted.



Andrei


What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? 
Support projects?


Outspend Julia !

Re: The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[cym13 via Digitalmars-d-announce]

On Tuesday, 17 November 2015 at 20:54:34 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:
Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for 
the Julia language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language 
Foundation has a bank account seeded with $5000 - as I 
promised, it's a round-up of my last royalty check.


The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, 
so we can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a 
few more months. I'll keep everybody posted.



Andrei


What do you plan to do concretely with that money? Advertise? 
Support projects?

The D Language Foundation has $5000 to its name

[Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce]

Quite timely after the announcement of that $600K donation for the Julia 
language, I'm happy to announce that the D Language Foundation has a 
bank account seeded with $5000 - as I promised, it's a round-up of my 
last royalty check.


The D Language Foundation doesn't yet have non-profit status, so we 
can't accept donations in that account; that'll take a few more months. 
I'll keep everybody posted.



Andrei