Re: [digitalradio] Shoutcast of PSK31 - 14.070
On Thursday 27 March 2008 05:15:16 pm Bill Vodall WA7NWP wrote: Has anybody set up a Shoutcast or similar Internet radio feed of a psk radio channel like 14.070? I wonder how the latency and jitter on an TCP/IP audio feed would be tolerated. I just went through the process of setting up an Icecast of a 2 meter repeater here in town. While can't do this to 14.070, I don't mind sharing the setups that it took to get that going on Linux with someone who is interested. -- In order to ensure a safe police state; the right of the people to keep and bear arms must be infringed.
RE: [digitalradio] Shoutcast of PSK31 - 14.070
I use TeamSpeak to stream repeaters and HF to the internet. It allows me to monitor while at work. It had the lowest latency of all the programs I tired. Skype, Ventrilo, Window Media Encoder... etc. TeamSpeak was the only one that would allow me to use HRD to tune the radio while using TeamSpeak to stream the audio. With the others I could not tune in a CW signal because by the time I heard the audio I had actually already tuned past the signal I was trying to copy. 73 - Bill KA8VIT To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:55:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Shoutcast of PSK31 - 14.070 On Thursday 27 March 2008 05:15:16 pm Bill Vodall WA7NWP wrote: Has anybody set up a Shoutcast or similar Internet radio feed of a psk radio channel like 14.070? I wonder how the latency and jitter on an TCP/IP audio feed would be tolerated. I just went through the process of setting up an Icecast of a 2 meter repeater here in town. While can't do this to 14.070, I don't mind sharing the setups that it took to get that going on Linux with someone who is interested. _ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-USocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3
[digitalradio] Re:Vista
What a stupid question If Icom comes out with a new radio why let HRO sell the older models. Of course you can get XP still. The idea is you have a choise. Some people like there new Pro3 and others still like thier Kenwood 820. Yes Vista has some bugs, Its new and they need feedback from people to fix them. If Ford comes out with a new truck they have recalls. In computers it called updates. Radios call it firmware updates. I also have a Computer business and I recemmend Vista as it is the newest OS and it is here to stay. People that are running XP dont need to update but if getting new they should have the newest OS on the market. Lane N7ZXP --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Traveler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just am just voicing my opinion on what I have read. If you want to run Vista go ahead and run it. But if Vista is so much of an upgrade from XP why did MS allow vendors to go back and offer XP as an option, or why are the vendors themselves offering XP along with Vista. I have a good friend who runs a computer business and he does not recommend Vista, but will install it if the customer wants it. I still standby my view, that Vista has too many bugs in it still for me to change to it from XP Kurt K8YZK __ __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[digitalradio] hi all
new to group but not digi modes,been a ham since 2005 and been very keen on psk ect.im on qrz.com and have a little website www.freewebs.com/2e0ikh .any way hi all, *asta**la**vist* :0 :) de- 2e0ikh 73s
[digitalradio] Vista
I have been sitting here reading all this things about Vista. Now lets go back to when XP was new. Everyone said and wrote all this stuff about XP. Before that it was Win98 and so on. I am heavy into the computer industry and a programmer. Most all of the people that write all this neg about Vista have no idea about what they are talking about. Vista is a good program and is superior to XP. If people take the time to update drivers and software that is normaly free they would have no problems. But they would rather grip. I run MANY Ham related programs and have updated and no problems. The one's that are not updated yet are being worked on by the software makers. The amount of work involved in a new OS is behond the comprihention of most all people. If you think this is wrong sit down right now and write a program that will play a simple card game. Now imagine what goes into a program as complex as Vista or XP. As far as he goverment goes they are happy with Vista as they are he one's who requested to have all the security features in the Vista. Do you really think Bill Gates makes a new OS and does not talk to them as for as what they want. Think people... No matter who makes a new program knows it will have bugs. They turn it lose on the public becouse instead of having just the Microsoft crew give reports they have the world. When people give reports on the OS they mke changes. Thats what a update is. If they did not do it this way we would all be using DOS. Would that not be fun. My suggestion for those that cant come of age is to devise and write the code for a program that is just for Ham programs. That will keep you busy for the next 5 years and that is if you can write code. So stop gripping and learn the program becouse XP will be gone in a few years and then a new OS will out and this will all start again. Lane, N7ZXP
[digitalradio] R-S-T vs R-S-Q
what do you lot think? rst reports? or qst reports? i use the latter one my self Readability-Single-Quality read this link guys:-http://www.rsq-info.net/IARU/RSQ-improved-signal- reporting-for-PSK.pdf tony de 2e0ikh
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
Well let's see, Vista does duplex sound, as a matter of fact I use it every day the games I play online in the games voip capability. Also it depends on if your sound card or hardware supports it. For the last year I have not had any issues with using any software on Vista Ultimate which is what i'm using as long as it's 32 bit. Some people are still stuck in the DOS days. I've seen people claim that Vista can't do this can't do that and all they are doing is repeating word of mouth. Heck i've seen most of the people who claim bad experiences with it, never even tried the OS. I still have a version of Pacterm 1.5 that runs stable as can be on Vista. So people unless you actually tried the operating system to see if it handled everything ok, because you will all get a different answer from every person you talk to especially those with biases about certain software from the get go. R Collins
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
The only real issue I see frequently is for users of MMTTY and PsKcore that want to use other than the default sound card. In Vista they cannot. Other than that I see no problems. Gil, W0MN http://webpages.charter.net/gbaron N 44.082147 W 92.513085 1050' Hierro Candente, Batir de repente _ From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronald Collins Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:21 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista Well let's see, Vista does duplex sound, as a matter of fact I use it every day the games I play online in the games voip capability. Also it depends on if your sound card or hardware supports it. For the last year I have not had any issues with using any software on Vista Ultimate which is what i'm using as long as it's 32 bit. Some people are still stuck in the DOS days. I've seen people claim that Vista can't do this can't do that and all they are doing is repeating word of mouth. Heck i've seen most of the people who claim bad experiences with it, never even tried the OS. I still have a version of Pacterm 1.5 that runs stable as can be on Vista. So people unless you actually tried the operating system to see if it handled everything ok, because you will all get a different answer from every person you talk to especially those with biases about certain software from the get go. R Collins
RE: [digitalradio] Vista
The real problem is not the main part of Vista. The problem is that they did not make it backward compatible, especially for the sound interface. Everything else works fairly well. I am glad they came out with the Virtualization that allows programs that were not written to rules that were always there still work. Now as for the sound interface. I think that it is an abomination. It was a cave in to the RIAA and MPAA that brought us this. How many other devices have been broken up and virtualized to look like more than one? This is what is causes the biggest problem for programs that need both an input and an output. MMTTY, PsKCore, and I don't know how many others. I agree with you that we have to live with it and that XP will one day be gone. I am using and liking Vista for the most part but it is a real pain that the sound interface (In this case the API) was changed with no way to go back. I think that stinks. IBM would never get away with that. I worked there 25 years in OS and we never stuck a user with a new interface that did not preserve backward compatibility. OTOH people should realize some nice things they are getting. Number one is that Networking is a non issue for most with Vista. How much easier can it be than Start / Connect To USB is improved and works more reliably. The user interface is beautiful and faster. And on and on But until the sound issue is reslved by coders fixing their code or new coders writng replacements, it is going to be an issue for amateur radio digitsl prgrams. Gil, W0MN http://webpages.charter.net/gbaron N 44.082147 W 92.513085 1050' Hierro Candente, Batir de repente -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n7zxp Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:39 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Vista I have been sitting here reading all this things about Vista. Now lets go back to when XP was new. Everyone said and wrote all this stuff about XP. Before that it was Win98 and so on. I am heavy into the computer industry and a programmer. Most all of the people that write all this neg about Vista have no idea about what they are talking about. Vista is a good program and is superior to XP. If people take the time to update drivers and software that is normaly free they would have no problems. But they would rather grip. I run MANY Ham related programs and have updated and no problems. The one's that are not updated yet are being worked on by the software makers. The amount of work involved in a new OS is behond the comprihention of most all people. If you think this is wrong sit down right now and write a program that will play a simple card game. Now imagine what goes into a program as complex as Vista or XP. As far as he goverment goes they are happy with Vista as they are he one's who requested to have all the security features in the Vista. Do you really think Bill Gates makes a new OS and does not talk to them as for as what they want. Think people... No matter who makes a new program knows it will have bugs. They turn it lose on the public becouse instead of having just the Microsoft crew give reports they have the world. When people give reports on the OS they mke changes. Thats what a update is. If they did not do it this way we would all be using DOS. Would that not be fun. My suggestion for those that cant come of age is to devise and write the code for a program that is just for Ham programs. That will keep you busy for the next 5 years and that is if you can write code. So stop gripping and learn the program becouse XP will be gone in a few years and then a new OS will out and this will all start again. Lane, N7ZXP Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Check our other Yahoo Groups http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dxlist/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contesting http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup Yahoo! Groups Links
[digitalradio] Re: Vista
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, n7zxp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been sitting here reading all this things about Vista. Now lets go back to when XP was new. Everyone said and wrote all this stuff about XP. That's not true, Lane. At birth, Windows XP was broadly praised for its stable kernel (inherited form NT), strong device support, and freedom from the architectural resource exhaustion defect in the Windows 9X family. Before that it was Win98 and so on. I am heavy into the computer industry and a programmer. Most all of the people that write all this neg about Vista have no idea about what they are talking about. I spent days tracking down the runtime defect that results in the Vista File Manager completely corrupting the screen if an application updates its title bar with any frequency (e.g. to present the current UTC time). Fortunately, I'd recently met with the manager responsible for these runtimes and sent him a minimal faulting program; as a result, Microsoft issued a hotfix and (I hope) included the correction in SP1. The fact that his dad was a ham helped a little... The change in the sound APIs that limits the use of PSKCORE and MMTTY is similarly cut-and-dried and indefensible violation of upward compatibility. Vista is a good program and is superior to XP. None of the pillars of Longhorn -- the key sources of end user value -- made it out the door in Vista. All that's left is Aero's eye candy and the immensely intrusive User Account Control (UAC). If Vista offered any significant advantages, enterprise adoption wouldn't be well below 5%, and Microsoft wouldn't be dropping the price a year after launch. If people take the time to update drivers and software that is normaly free they would have no problems. But they would rather grip. I run MANY Ham related programs and have updated and no problems. The one's that are not updated yet are being worked on by the software makers. The technical and financial litmus test for an operating system is not some programs work. Its *all* programs work. The amount of work involved in a new OS is behond the comprihention of most all people. If you think this is wrong sit down right now and write a program that will play a simple card game. Now imagine what goes into a program as complex as Vista or XP. As an operating system, Vista is conceptually trivial; it implements nothing that wasn't well understood 30 years ago. Its complexity arises from the absence of a resilient architecture, long- term accretion without refactoring, and a poor software software development process. All of these were and are avoidable. Microsoft finally appears to be addressing some of this with MinWin (see for example http://www.crn.com/software/202404947 ). As far as he goverment goes they are happy with Vista as they are he one's who requested to have all the security features in the Vista. Everyone wanted Microsoft to produce a more secure implementation of Windows. But UAC is so annoying that most users disable it. That's hardly progress. Do you really think Bill Gates makes a new OS and does not talk to them as for as what they want. Think people... Then how would you explain the extraordinarly low adoption rate of Vista by companies -- around 3% when last I checked. The primary driver for Vista adoption has been PC manufacturers bundling it with new models, much to their user's unhappiness. Microsoft has already extended the XP is no longer available on new PCs date by 6 months, and has dropped the price of Vista to encourage sales. If there were anything of compelling value in Vista, none of that would be necessary -- even with all of Vista's defects. No matter who makes a new program knows it will have bugs. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you're a programmer and you think that way, then your work is practically guaranteed to contain defects. They turn it lose on the public becouse instead of having just the Microsoft crew give reports they have the world. When people give reports on the OS they mke changes. Thats what a update is. If they did not do it this way we would all be using DOS. Would that not be fun. That is not true. Had Microsoft used modern software engineering practice to build Windows, its engineers would be spending a far greater fraction of their time introducing useful new functionality onto a framework designed to accomodate it rather than chasing down thousands of defects after the fact, regression testing their fixes, and issuing patch releases week after week. The cost of poor to the organization that produces and maintains it is enormous. You can't test quality into the kinds of applications we build today; the only way to build quality software at this scale is to establish high-performance teams, create a high-quality architecture, and use modern software engineering practice (risk-driven iterative development,
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
That was supposed to be 'The cost of poor quality software to the organization that produces and maintains it is enormous. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Bernstein Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:59 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Vista AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, n7zxp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been sitting here reading all this things about Vista. Now lets go back to when XP was new. Everyone said and wrote all this stuff about XP. That's not true, Lane. At birth, Windows XP was broadly praised for its stable kernel (inherited form NT), strong device support, and freedom from the architectural resource exhaustion defect in the Windows 9X family. Before that it was Win98 and so on. I am heavy into the computer industry and a programmer. Most all of the people that write all this neg about Vista have no idea about what they are talking about. I spent days tracking down the runtime defect that results in the Vista File Manager completely corrupting the screen if an application updates its title bar with any frequency (e.g. to present the current UTC time). Fortunately, I'd recently met with the manager responsible for these runtimes and sent him a minimal faulting program; as a result, Microsoft issued a hotfix and (I hope) included the correction in SP1. The fact that his dad was a ham helped a little... The change in the sound APIs that limits the use of PSKCORE and MMTTY is similarly cut-and-dried and indefensible violation of upward compatibility. Vista is a good program and is superior to XP. None of the pillars of Longhorn -- the key sources of end user value -- made it out the door in Vista. All that's left is Aero's eye candy and the immensely intrusive User Account Control (UAC). If Vista offered any significant advantages, enterprise adoption wouldn't be well below 5%, and Microsoft wouldn't be dropping the price a year after launch. If people take the time to update drivers and software that is normaly free they would have no problems. But they would rather grip. I run MANY Ham related programs and have updated and no problems. The one's that are not updated yet are being worked on by the software makers. The technical and financial litmus test for an operating system is not some programs work. Its *all* programs work. The amount of work involved in a new OS is behond the comprihention of most all people. If you think this is wrong sit down right now and write a program that will play a simple card game. Now imagine what goes into a program as complex as Vista or XP. As an operating system, Vista is conceptually trivial; it implements nothing that wasn't well understood 30 years ago. Its complexity arises from the absence of a resilient architecture, long- term accretion without refactoring, and a poor software software development process. All of these were and are avoidable. Microsoft finally appears to be addressing some of this with MinWin (see for example http://www.crn.com/software/202404947 ). As far as he goverment goes they are happy with Vista as they are he one's who requested to have all the security features in the Vista. Everyone wanted Microsoft to produce a more secure implementation of Windows. But UAC is so annoying that most users disable it. That's hardly progress. Do you really think Bill Gates makes a new OS and does not talk to them as for as what they want. Think people... Then how would you explain the extraordinarly low adoption rate of Vista by companies -- around 3% when last I checked. The primary driver for Vista adoption has been PC manufacturers bundling it with new models, much to their user's unhappiness. Microsoft has already extended the XP is no longer available on new PCs date by 6 months, and has dropped the price of Vista to encourage sales. If there were anything of compelling value in Vista, none of that would be necessary -- even with all of Vista's defects. No matter who makes a new program knows it will have bugs. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you're a programmer and you think that way, then your work is practically guaranteed to contain defects. They turn it lose on the public becouse instead of having just the Microsoft crew give reports they have the world. When people give reports on the OS they mke changes. Thats what a update is. If they did not do it this way we would all be using DOS. Would that not be fun. That is not true. Had Microsoft used modern software engineering practice to build Windows, its engineers would be spending a far greater fraction of their time introducing useful new functionality onto a framework designed to accomodate it rather than chasing down thousands of defects after the fact, regression testing their fixes, and issuing patch releases week after week. The cost of poor to the organization that produces and maintains it is
[digitalradio] RTTY question
Why do I find so so many RTTY signals up side down on the ham bands. What ever happen to the old standard? Mark is hi space is low. John, W0JAB
Re: [digitalradio] RTTY question
John Becker, WØJAB wrote: Why do I find so so many RTTY signals up side down on the ham bands. What ever happen to the old standard? Mark is hi space is low. John, W0JAB Hi, John: I think the main reason is pretty much all of the other digital modes use USB regardless of band. 73, Mike N5UKZ
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
Nobody could have said it better Dave. You have put it exactly where it belongs. The change in the sound APIs that limits the use of PSKCORE and MMTTY is similarly cut-and-dried and indefensible violation of upward compatibility. This paragraph of yours really says it all. Gil, W0MN http://webpages.charter.net/gbaron N 44.082147 W 92.513085 1050' Hierro Candente, Batir de repente -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Bernstein Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:59 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Vista AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, n7zxp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIPPED
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
I might draw the attention of of those interested in software written for Vista by looking at KR1ST's multimode text digital program, Airlink Express. He must have worked out any sound issues since he is actually using Mako Mori's MMVari DSP engine. As he puts it in his help file (which works under Vista), it has backward compatibility with XP SP2, support for multiple soundcards, instant replay for up to 60 seconds. It does not have sophisticated rig control such as you find on DX Commander interfaced with Multipsk or Ham Radio Deluxe/Digital Master 780, but overall it seems like a very nice program. More information available at: http://www.airlinkexpress.org/ 73, Rick, KV9U rojomn wrote: The only real issue I see frequently is for users of MMTTY and PsKcore that want to use other than the default sound card. In Vista they cannot. Other than that I see no problems. Gil, W0MN http://webpages.charter.net/gbaron N 44.082147 W 92.513085 1050' Hierro Candente, Batir de repente *From:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ronald Collins *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:21 PM *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista Well let's see, Vista does duplex sound, as a matter of fact I use it every day the games I play online in the games voip capability. Also it depends on if your sound card or hardware supports it. For the last year I have not had any issues with using any software on Vista Ultimate which is what i'm using as long as it's 32 bit. Some people are still stuck in the DOS days. I've seen people claim that Vista can't do this can't do that and all they are doing is repeating word of mouth. Heck i've seen most of the people who claim bad experiences with it, never even tried the OS. I still have a version of Pacterm 1.5 that runs stable as can be on Vista. So people unless you actually tried the operating system to see if it handled everything ok, because you will all get a different answer from every person you talk to especially those with biases about certain software from the get go. R Collins No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1347 - Release Date: 3/27/2008 7:15 PM
[digitalradio] URL change for MEPT-WSPR on-line
I have changed the K3UK MEPT/WSPR page and the new URL is now http://www.electroblog.com/drsked/index.html please add to your bookmarks/favourites. I put the MEPT page on-line very quickly a couple of weeks ago when Joe K1JT released this new application . The use of the page has been tremendous and I expect it to grow. As a result of several creative suggestions from users of the page, Joe N8FQ developed the user database and then created the ability to automatically upload the mept_all.txt file to the database. This has also turned out to be very popular. The new URL will provide the same services as the old, but it will now be hosted by Joe N8FQ. Since Joe will now host both the discussion page AND the database, this will allow him to do some even more creative things. The section on my page that was used for MEPT will revert back to the PADDLES page. I will also continue to provide the general digitalradio on-line Sked page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked/ , this is the original K3UK Sked Page and is the place to go for arranging skeds for experimental digital modes such as ALE 400, DominoEx, Narrow SSTV, NBEMS, Digital Voice, Olivia, Hell, and more. The K3UK SKCC page remains in it's usual place. -- Andy K3UK www.obriensweb.com (QSL via N2RJ)
[digitalradio] Fwd: [UDXF] Help on strange MFSK mode
-- Forwarded message -- From: huelbeag [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:24 AM Subject: [UDXF] Help on strange MFSK mode To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, 3145 KHz USB 2008-03-29 0417. Unid strong MFSK, 5 tones, 10 hertz apart, centered at 1512Hz. My QTH is South Brazil. As the transmission has strong signal, perhaps it comes from nearby (Argentina, Falklands, South Africa). Does any one recognizes this type of signal? Tones are space 10Hz in 1490, 1500, 1510, 1520 and 1530Hz. There are also attenuated tones at 1450,1470,1530,1550 but I assume it's some intermodulation problem at the transmitter. Thank you! Huelbe Garcia Porto Alegre, Brazil. 30S 51W Icom R75, untuned small loop
