[digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A
As of 22:30 UTC both stations are beaconing every 2 minutes using ALE400FAE. Both stations are transmitting callsign and locator VE5GPM 7110.5 USB (unlicensed version) VE5MU 3584.5 USB Try a connect , or at least listen for these stations on these frequencies. They will operate until 0400Z John VE5MU From: multi...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:multi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Lindecker Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:04 PM To: multi...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A Hello John, RR for all. I don't know if you use the ARQ FAE beacon mode but I think it would be really simpler from everyone to locate your transmission and if, moreover, you add a RS ID, it will be even really easier to tune exactly to your frequency and to leave you a message. A beacon message every 2 minutes for example would be sufficient. 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: John Bradley mailto:jbrad...@sasktel.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com ; multi...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:40 AM Subject: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A In answer to your questions... . did not have any luck with a connect from anyone other than local hams on both 141A and ALE400 , but the bands were in particularly bad shape over the weekend . Am in the process of installing a 800watt solid state amp at VE5GPM, so will try that later this week , probably running 300 W on both ALE400 and 141A.. will let you know where/when. GPM is located at an EOC and I have remote control abilities on that station. Very interested in seeing how this works for text messaging up to 3K in size. . Have given up on the PCALE and HFlink bunch, since there seems to be no interest in doing anything other than sending 1 line messages to each other , or simply sounding. The MARS version of PCALE might work, but the author is not allowing use of this software outside of the MARS side. why is anyone's guess. As far as I can see no progress has been made to get some sort of practical message handling system in place, using ALE to establish contacts. . Have not talked to Dmitri for some time so have no idea where he is at with RFSM8000 . It is a great piece of software, requires fairly strong signal to operate at any speed. Still play with it from time to time. . From our point of view have thrown in the towel and will likely go with SCS Modems using Pactor 3 for some of the longer haul stuff we do, and our served agencies seem ready to purchase the necessary gear. Still interested in a sound card messaging mode which could link to the internet when required. . Am going to send Patrick a separate email about doing a striped down version of multipsk for emergency comms, something that would do PSK,MFSK,Olivia and the ALE modes, and nothing else...AND with a message gateway... that's all I want for next Christmas , hee hee. . Am anxious to get a few folks experimenting with modes suitable for emergency comms, up and using them somewhere John VE5MU Hi John, Did you have any luck with either station getting a connect? I tried both frequencies last night but no luck. The 141A mode is not very sensitive compared to the more modern modes developed in the past decade. Have you considered the FAE400 mode for this purpose? I am not sure if it has the capability to do what you want in terms of networking, but it works very much deeper into the noise. Can the FAE modes do what the 141A type of mode can do? I have only used FAE400 for ARQ chatting, which I really liked, but almost no one else did:( I can hear some 141A transmissions on 14.109 this morning but not able to decode them. Tried calling QRZ but no luck either. Based on their signal strength, they would decode very well with most of the sound card modes. Can you update us on how things are going with the RFSM8000 product? My wife and I have been testing digital modes, particularly the ARQ messaging modes, and if nothing else, the RFSM2400 software seems to be the easiest messaging software available. Even though we can not use this on MF/HF (except maybe for image, but who knows, as the FCC won't even respond to requests for clarification here in the U.S.), it is certainly legal to use on 6 meters and up and might be a workable solution for some public service oriented hams. Isn't it ironic that after all these years we still do not have any HF sound card messaging system that can even approach what we had with packet BBS systems? There is at least one HF packet group in my state which appears to be a casual group with similar interests, however the baud rate makes it difficult to get messages through and when I have monitored, there are mostly retry after retry. If they went to say, the 110 baud speed, it would work a lot better. But then again, the hardware probably makes that impossible.
Re: [digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A
Hello to all, The way to work (RX and TX) an ARQ FAE beacon is presented in this file: The ARQ FAE beacon easy with Multipsk Here is the WEB address to fetch this Word file: http://f6cte.free.fr/The_ARQ_FAE_beacon_easy_with_Multipsk.doc 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: John Bradley To: multi...@yahoogroups.com ; digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A As of 22:30 UTC both stations are beaconing every 2 minutes using ALE400FAE. Both stations are transmitting callsign and locator VE5GPM 7110.5 USB (unlicensed version) VE5MU 3584.5 USB Try a connect , or at least listen for these stations on these frequencies. They will operate until 0400Z John VE5MU From: multi...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:multi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Lindecker Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:04 PM To: multi...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A Hello John, RR for all. I don't know if you use the ARQ FAE beacon mode but I think it would be really simpler from everyone to locate your transmission and if, moreover, you add a RS ID, it will be even really easier to tune exactly to your frequency and to leave you a message. A beacon message every 2 minutes for example would be sufficient. 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: John Bradley To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com ; multi...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:40 AM Subject: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A In answer to your questions... · did not have any luck with a connect from anyone other than local hams on both 141A and ALE400 , but the bands were in particularly bad shape over the weekend . Am in the process of installing a 800watt solid state amp at VE5GPM, so will try that later this week , probably running 300 W on both ALE400 and 141A.. will let you know where/when. GPM is located at an EOC and I have remote control abilities on that station. Very interested in seeing how this works for text messaging up to 3K in size. · Have given up on the PCALE and HFlink bunch, since there seems to be no interest in doing anything other than sending 1 line messages to each other , or simply sounding. The MARS version of PCALE might work, but the author is not allowing use of this software outside of the MARS side. why is anyone's guess. As far as I can see no progress has been made to get some sort of practical message handling system in place, using ALE to establish contacts. · Have not talked to Dmitri for some time so have no idea where he is at with RFSM8000 . It is a great piece of software, requires fairly strong signal to operate at any speed. Still play with it from time to time. · From our point of view have thrown in the towel and will likely go with SCS Modems using Pactor 3 for some of the longer haul stuff we do, and our served agencies seem ready to purchase the necessary gear. Still interested in a sound card messaging mode which could link to the internet when required. · Am going to send Patrick a separate email about doing a striped down version of multipsk for emergency comms, something that would do PSK,MFSK,Olivia and the ALE modes, and nothing else...AND with a message gateway... that's all I want for next Christmas , hee hee. · Am anxious to get a few folks experimenting with modes suitable for emergency comms, up and using them somewhere John VE5MU Hi John, Did you have any luck with either station getting a connect? I tried both frequencies last night but no luck. The 141A mode is not very sensitive compared to the more modern modes developed in the past decade. Have you considered the FAE400 mode for this purpose? I am not sure if it has the capability to do what you want in terms of networking, but it works very much deeper into the noise. Can the FAE modes do what the 141A type of mode can do? I have only used FAE400 for ARQ chatting, which I really liked, but almost no one else did:( I can hear some 141A transmissions on 14.109 this morning but not able to decode them. Tried calling QRZ but no luck either. Based on their signal strength, they would decode very well with most of the sound card modes. Can you update us on how things are going with the RFSM8000 product? My wife and I have been testing digital modes, particularly the ARQ messaging modes, and if nothing else, the RFSM2400 software seems to be the easiest messaging software available. Even though we can not use this on MF/HF (except maybe for image, but who knows, as the FCC won't
Re: [digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A
John, Rick, Copied the following on 3584.5, 1631.1 Hz. It might help to specify the tone frequency next time. Not sure I every copied John on my end. CQ KV9UVE5MU CQ KV9UVE5MU CQ KV9UVE5MU CQ KV9UVE5MU VE5MU DE KV9U H H ad to get me sound card switched back properly to mike in put from auxilary input. This happ to mike in put from auxilary input. This happ ens every time I run my contest logging progra m, n1mm. Very odd. Good to make the connecti on this evening. Running 20 watts at the moment . lly think that this mode is w ay underutilized for public ser ivice and emergency use since it is fairly sensitive and not too wide either. I tried 40 meters first but no thing connected and there is foreign br oadcast stations on or very near the frequenc on the disc. AS DE K(V9U VE5MU DE KV9U Sign Sign als are just at the noise level at the moment . . W ell on second thought, not qui te true, several s units above the noise . I would be surprised if 141A will work but lets try it. Why not connect and try and send message from you to me again? DE KV9U End of QSO VE5MU DE KV9U F or some reason it will someti mes lock up and I can not seem to stop the current status and reset job though had to completely terminat e the program a few times and restart . Maybe I just don't know the correct procedu and it was very close to a cw station that I could not clip off without affecting the lower tone. wish that this mode was in the NBEMS suite , but thus far they feel that this may be beyond their ability to include. I thi I thi nk that Winmor, if it has a peer to peer mode, w ill be VERY popular since once you set it up f or one mode such as e-mail it can adapt to other conditions. And the nice thing is that you can u se the narrow modes down to 200 Hz wide which should make it ham friendly when you don't nee d the speed. The Winlink 2000 group holds it s cards very close to the vest as they are not rea lly looking at what is good for amateur radio, but what is good for Winlink 2000. That is past deeds of not being willing to open even the protocol. But maybe they will even the protocol. But maybe they will ve several specific frequencies I understand. If you have listened to their sample, it is really not a pleasant sounding mode, and is mor e like you get with higher baud rate signals. D E KV9U H FLink tried to go t heir own way, then tried to interoperate with Winlink 2000 which is really not ver y practical and is downright foolish when you Instead they put their system in line with Winli nk's servers, so if Winlink 2000 fails , they are likely to fail as well. They have not been able to give me a reason why they want to use Winlink's system when they really don't h ave to do this. Bonnie had a real shouting match 00 site and the next day, everything was OK an d all FB. Needless to say, she had to get on the phone and agreed to just do whatever they wanted because she knew that she wou ld be frozen out otherwise. DE KV9u ... i , it sure is a nice setu p, but with my situatiuon, I would have no ohter stat ions to communicate with here in Wiscosnsin, since no one else has it to speak of and Pactor itself, the ori ginal pactor is not going t o be competitive with PWinmor. Even P2 will get some competition with Winmor exc really poor condx. I thnk I thnink the signal to noise ratioi is getting a b it better than when we started. Y es, the tremendous advan tage with a stand alone box that uses the computer primarily as a dumb terminal is that it is so much easier to get it to work. We have had the local EC demonstarate the VHF type of Winlink 2000 on two separate times to our group. Both times it failed to work even one mi le to the Telpac!!! pretty bad. Not sure what was causing the problem, but obviously no t a good thing to fail if we had really needed i t. I can type fairly fast, but I can't keep the error rate down wit hout going back quite often and redo stuff. S ometimes I can get a good stream going and then e verything falls apart, HI HI. DE KV9U \ OK John great to chat a bit and try something like file transfers that actually work AR Q. HI. 7 7 3's for now VE5MU DE KV9U and see u later this has bee 3's for now VE5MU DE KV9U CLyou disco\nnect Signals were easily visible on the waterfall, but sometimes there was no decoding. Fast QSB here in South Carolina. Signal from Rick were 2 S-units over the noise level. 73, Skip KH6TY - Original Message - From: John Bradley jbrad...@sasktel.net To: multi...@yahoogroups.com; digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: [digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A As of 22:30 UTC both stations are beaconing every 2 minutes using ALE400FAE. Both stations are transmitting callsign and locator VE5GPM 7110.5 USB (unlicensed version) VE5MU 3584.5 USB Try a connect , or at least listen for these stations on these frequencies. They will operate until 0400Z
Re: [digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A
Hello Skip, Not too bad this ARQ FAE QSO monitoring. In ARQ modes in general (especially in AMTOR ARQ), it is a bit difficult to understand the message (due to retries and lack of decoding). 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: kh6ty kh...@comcast.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RE: [multipsk] ALE400 and 141A John, Rick, Copied the following on 3584.5, 1631.1 Hz. It might help to specify the tone frequency next time. Not sure I every copied John on my end. CQ KV9UVE5MU CQ KV9UVE5MU CQ KV9UVE5MU CQ KV9UVE5MU VE5MU DE KV9U H H ad to get me sound card switched back properly to mike in put from auxilary input. This happ to mike in put from auxilary input. This happ ens every time I run my contest logging progra m, n1mm. Very odd. Good to make the connecti on this evening. Running 20 watts at the moment . lly think that this mode is w ay underutilized for public ser ivice and emergency use since it is fairly sensitive and not too wide either. I tried 40 meters first but no thing connected and there is foreign br oadcast stations on or very near the frequenc on the disc. AS DE K(V9U VE5MU DE KV9U Sign Sign als are just at the noise level at the moment . . W ell on second thought, not qui te true, several s units above the noise . I would be surprised if 141A will work but lets try it. Why not connect and try and send message from you to me again? DE KV9U End of QSO VE5MU DE KV9U F or some reason it will someti mes lock up and I can not seem to stop the current status and reset job though had to completely terminat e the program a few times and restart . Maybe I just don't know the correct procedu and it was very close to a cw station that I could not clip off without affecting the lower tone. wish that this mode was in the NBEMS suite , but thus far they feel that this may be beyond their ability to include. I thi I thi nk that Winmor, if it has a peer to peer mode, w ill be VERY popular since once you set it up f or one mode such as e-mail it can adapt to other conditions. And the nice thing is that you can u se the narrow modes down to 200 Hz wide which should make it ham friendly when you don't nee d the speed. The Winlink 2000 group holds it s cards very close to the vest as they are not rea lly looking at what is good for amateur radio, but what is good for Winlink 2000. That is past deeds of not being willing to open even the protocol. But maybe they will even the protocol. But maybe they will ve several specific frequencies I understand. If you have listened to their sample, it is really not a pleasant sounding mode, and is mor e like you get with higher baud rate signals. D E KV9U H FLink tried to go t heir own way, then tried to interoperate with Winlink 2000 which is really not ver y practical and is downright foolish when you Instead they put their system in line with Winli nk's servers, so if Winlink 2000 fails , they are likely to fail as well. They have not been able to give me a reason why they want to use Winlink's system when they really don't h ave to do this. Bonnie had a real shouting match 00 site and the next day, everything was OK an d all FB. Needless to say, she had to get on the phone and agreed to just do whatever they wanted because she knew that she wou ld be frozen out otherwise. DE KV9u ... i , it sure is a nice setu p, but with my situatiuon, I would have no ohter stat ions to communicate with here in Wiscosnsin, since no one else has it to speak of and Pactor itself, the ori ginal pactor is not going t o be competitive with PWinmor. Even P2 will get some competition with Winmor exc really poor condx. I thnk I thnink the signal to noise ratioi is getting a b it better than when we started. Y es, the tremendous advan tage with a stand alone box that uses the computer primarily as a dumb terminal is that it is so much easier to get it to work. We have had the local EC demonstarate the VHF type of Winlink 2000 on two separate times to our group. Both times it failed to work even one mi le to the Telpac!!! pretty bad. Not sure what was causing the problem, but obviously no t a good thing to fail if we had really needed i t. I can type fairly fast, but I can't keep the error rate down wit hout going back quite often and redo stuff. S ometimes I can get a good stream going and then e verything falls apart, HI HI. DE KV9U \ OK John great to chat a bit and try something like file transfers that actually work AR Q. HI. 7 7 3's for now VE5MU DE KV9U and see u later this has bee 3's for now VE5MU DE KV9U CLyou disco\nnect Signals were easily visible on the waterfall, but sometimes there was no decoding. Fast QSB here in South Carolina. Signal from Rick were 2 S-units over the noise level. 73, Skip KH6TY - Original Message - From: John Bradley jbrad
