Re: [digitalradio] re: 25-02 crashes

2007-02-25 Thread KV9U
Steve,

I got the impression that MARS was moving toward Winlink 2000 and 
handling traffic primarily through the internet.

How do you set up different methods of traffic handling to include the 
different systems?  Or do some members work one kind of mode and others 
another kind of mode?

As a former Navy MARS member back in the early 1960's and later in the 
80's with AF MARS, we were mostly sending traffic with voice with some 
feeds (often garbled) from RTTY.

73,

Rick, KV9U

Steve Hajducek wrote:


 Hi Patrick,

 Bad news as soon as MultiPSK 25-02 receives an ARQ FAE linking call 
 the following happens, I have tested this between two stations on a 
 few PC's in my test bed. I have reverted back to 19-02

 I have 20 or my 50 core MARS-ALE testers working with 19-02 within a 
 few hundred miles of each other testing robustness WRT multipath, its 
 working great. I have almost 400 beta testers working with MARS-ALE 
 that communicate via a single e-mail forum. There are over 2,600 Army 
 MARS members alone ( not sure how many Air Force and Navy MARS 
 members) waiting for a production release of MARS-ALE to debut.

 /s/ Steve

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[digitalradio] Re: 25-02 crashes

2007-02-25 Thread Bill McLaughlin
Steve,

I noticed the same behaviour here using test versions 24_02_20 and 
25_02_20; reverted back to 19_02_20.

73

Bill N9DSJ

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hajducek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 Hi Patrick,
 
 Bad news as soon as MultiPSK 25-02 receives an ARQ FAE linking call 
 the following happens, I have tested this between two stations on a 
 few PC's in my test bed. I have reverted back to 19-02
 
 I have 20 or my 50 core MARS-ALE testers working with 19-02 within 
a 
 few hundred miles of each other testing robustness WRT multipath, 
its 
 working great. I have almost 400 beta testers working with MARS-ALE 
 that communicate via a single e-mail forum. There are over 2,600 
Army 
 MARS members alone ( not sure how many Air Force and Navy MARS 
 members) waiting for a production release of MARS-ALE to debut.
 
 /s/ Steve
 
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REPLY - MARS digital ops - Re: [digitalradio] re: 25-02 crashes

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Hajducek

Hi Rick,

RTTY is dead in MARS in my opinion as to being useful, but still 
allowed in all three MARS programs as far as I know, CW was 
vanquished some years ago now, prior to my return to MARS. There are 
3 MARS as you know and to date, there are different approaches in all 
three and many commonalities regarding HF digital communications. I 
was NMCM in the 80's until '91 and I have been Army MARS since 2003, 
I had to bow out for a number years as career and TDY travel got in 
the way. Almost since returning to MARS, I have been involved with 
the more to ALE within MARS.

In NMCM these days its mostly MT-63 and PACTOR I, where FEC is used a 
lot as programs such as MultiPSK and MixW support a connection 
between the TNC user and the PC Sound Device Modem user. This is also 
true for Army MARS. In NMCM the BBS system is MDS on DOS and is 
PACTOR I. For both Army and Air Force MARS, WL2K PBMO's with AirMail 
as the client is being used and 95%+ of the users are PACTOR I based, 
Army MARS has shutdown their older MSYS and Winlink Classic BBS 
systems just this month and currently has all their eggs in the WL2K 
basket. Air Force MARS retains its MSYS and Winlink Classic for 
radio-to-radio BBS capability as does NMCM with MDS, and NMCM does 
not allow the use of WL2K. As to Air Force MARS attended digital 
communications, I am not sure just what the story is outside of my 
direct activities, I know MT-63 is also getting heavy use, along with 
PACTOR. Basically MARS makes use of all digital modes that are 
commonly used by both Amateur Radio, Commercial and the U.S. Military 
to some extent, but PACTOR I and MT-63 currently rule, my opinion 
obviously, others in MARS may disagree.

In my direct activities, members of all three MARS programs are 
working jointly in the use of ALE where a Tri-Service ALE network 
operates 24/7 where MARS-ALE is the ALE tool set for most users and 
is the ALE LQA front end for the existing and developing MARS Traffic 
System. At present we have MARS-ALE via Telnet communicating with 
back end servers, one is for network activity reporting automation 
and the other is the BBSlink server.

Any MARS-ALE based station can use the report automation tool for 
feed the view from their station perspective (its the MARS-ALE/BBS 
24/7 perspective that will always be fed) when on-the-air, on a 
selected period of all channel acty via Internet e-mail to one or 
more end points for display, analysis and reporting in near-real 
time, there is an SQLdbase being developed and host of reporting 
tools, at present one such feed is to a closed Yahoo forum such as 
this one ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MARS-ALE-SITREP/ ) where all 
that data exposes all the network acty as to Soundings, linking 
calls, what stations were linked one on one or one on many etc., and 
network diagrams and other reporting can be derived, our reporting 
tools are not all in place yet and manual processing has really 
become difficult as the acty has increased.

The BBSlink sever at present supports WINLINK.ORG and MARSALE.ORG ( a 
new development that uses standard SMTP/POP3 client and webmail when 
not on HF) on the back end where only Air Force and Army MARS can use 
WL2K. This is a very new development that has only just entered wider 
testing. Any supported MARS-ALE ARQ protocol, including the use of 
Tactical AMD messages can be used to send and receive e-mail ( AMD is 
painful on incoming e-mails if more than one line !)  and not just 
PACTOR x, MARS-ALE supports a number of ARQ protocols on the PCSDM 
and provides external TNC/Modem support. The next addition to the 
BBSlink server with be WA8DED emulation so that MDS, MSYS and Winlink 
Classic will see MARS-ALE as just a TNC on another port, at that time 
NMCM and Air Force MARS will have a full radio-to-radio and Internet 
HF e-mail solution as BBSlink will at one site all combinations. My 
MARS-ALE/BBS which is running at the moment has accepted traffic 
today from stations where test message were send by the Remote ALE 
user during the connection using both WINLINK.ORG and MARSALE.ORG 
agents in separate messages sent, its just a matter of the addressing 
to tell BBSlink which agent to use, the same will be true of 
MDS/MSYS/Winlink Classic support when added, thus if Internet is 
completely down that BBS has a radio-to-radio path, the user still 
has a path to send their out going traffic. Our interface for all 
these BBS systems supports the Remote ALE user to list ( if desired) 
any incoming messages and chose which to read as during an ECOM event 
in the field, one does not want to reading waiting for a ton of 
incoming traffic if the order of business is just to send their 
outbound traffic, but one may be looking for a specific message or 
two inbound, this is not an option when using the normal WL2K PBMO interfaces.

With MARS-ALE the use of AMD, DTM and DBM modes are automatically 
detected and if ARQ responded to in same, this is also true of