Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS operating frequencies on 20m

2010-03-06 Thread Rik van Riel
On 03/04/2010 09:10 PM, pd4u_dares wrote:

 All wouldn't have happened if it was not claimed by some that ROS is illegaal 
 in the US. Since there is no official publication on this by the FCC, ROS is 
 neither legal nor illegal. So the first claim by some users of ROS was in 
 error. Jose's subsequent claiom too.

The FCC statement was quite clear: the responsibility of determining
whether or not ROS is allowed under the rules lies with each amateur
radio operator.

Claims made by Jose or others do not absolve amateur radio operators
of the responsibility of making that determination themselves.

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[digitalradio] Re: ROS operating frequencies on 20m

2010-03-05 Thread pd4u_dares


--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, g4ilo jul...@... wrote:
..
 Well I guess now it's immaterial to you guys anyway. What I don't understand 
 is why anyone still wants to use the mode. The developer has made threats to 
 other amateurs, he has posted false information on his website and risked 
 bringing the hobby into disrepute. Anyone who continues to use it is 
 basically saying none of that matters.
 

PSE don't start this hypocracy again Julian. And if so, state the complete 
context. 

All wouldn't have happened if it was not claimed by some that ROS is illegaal 
in the US. Since there is no official publication on this by the FCC, ROS is 
neither legal nor illegal. So the first claim by some users of ROS was in 
error. Jose's subsequent claiom too.

Threaths of the programmer of ROS to exclude users were as much not in line 
with the ham radio spirit as stopping support by user on their HAM radio chat 
room.

It is clear that you don't want to use ROS anymore. And pse don't reply that 
you do, but are banned. If you want to continue bashing ROS, pse use your own 
website for that purpose, and not this digital radio group. Because this group 
is not intended for this , and bashing is not in line with the HAM radio spirit.

Marc

Marc



Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS operating frequencies on 20m

2010-03-05 Thread Rik van Riel
On 03/04/2010 07:44 AM, g4ilo wrote:
 I thought you were in Region 2. I have the Region 2 band plan in front of me 
 right off the IARU site and it definitely says All Modes in all of the 
 sections right up to 14.350. I don't see any division at 14.150 at all. In 
 any case, I don't think you'd need to go as far even as 14.150 to find a 
 frequency that hasn't been designated for use by some other modes.

The US band plans are a little more restrictive than the
Region 2 plan.

I do not know why that was done, but it does give the
smaller countries some empty frequencies so it seems
to be beneficial overall.  The US probably has more
hams than the other Region 2 countries together.

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[digitalradio] Re: ROS operating frequencies on 20m

2010-03-04 Thread g4ilo
I thought you were in Region 2. I have the Region 2 band plan in front of me 
right off the IARU site and it definitely says All Modes in all of the sections 
right up to 14.350. I don't see any division at 14.150 at all. In any case, I 
don't think you'd need to go as far even as 14.150 to find a frequency that 
hasn't been designated for use by some other modes.

Julian, G4ILO

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh...@... wrote:

 Julian,
 
 In the US, the RTTY/data segment of 20m stops at 14.150.
 




Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS operating frequencies on 20m

2010-03-04 Thread KH6TY
Julian, the problem is that the FCC regulations we live under are often 
more strict than the IARU bandplans. Under those regulations, RTTY/Data 
stops at 14.150.


Furthermore, the IARU band plans are only recommendations for member 
organizations. The FCC regulations are laws we MUST follow.


While this may seem unfair in some cases (often to everyone!) it is 
actually the FCC restriction on unattended operations to certain band 
segments that have kept the unattended stations from covering all the HF 
bands with Pactor-II and Pactor-III, which they would dearly like to do, 
so they would never have interference from one of their own kind. All 
modes, with no other legally-enforceable restrictions, would be a 
disaster for all our HF activities. The problem with recommendations 
is that they are only suggestions, so there are those who do not agree 
with the recommendations and just do what and where they wish. US 
amateurs, since they are governed instead by laws, face license 
revocation or fines if they consistently flaunt the laws.


73 - Skip KH6TY




g4ilo wrote:
 

I thought you were in Region 2. I have the Region 2 band plan in front 
of me right off the IARU site and it definitely says All Modes in all 
of the sections right up to 14.350. I don't see any division at 14.150 
at all. In any case, I don't think you'd need to go as far even as 
14.150 to find a frequency that hasn't been designated for use by some 
other modes.


Julian, G4ILO

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh...@... wrote:


 Julian,

 In the US, the RTTY/data segment of 20m stops at 14.150.





[digitalradio] Re: ROS operating frequencies on 20m

2010-03-04 Thread g4ilo
OK, I understand. That still doesn't make it impossible to use somewhere above 
14.109 though, does it?

Well I guess now it's immaterial to you guys anyway. What I don't understand is 
why anyone still wants to use the mode. The developer has made threats to other 
amateurs, he has posted false information on his website and risked bringing 
the hobby into disrepute. Anyone who continues to use it is basically saying 
none of that matters.

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, KH6TY kh...@... wrote:

 Julian, the problem is that the FCC regulations we live under are often 
 more strict than the IARU bandplans. Under those regulations, RTTY/Data 
 stops at 14.150.
 
 Furthermore, the IARU band plans are only recommendations for member 
 organizations. The FCC regulations are laws we MUST follow.
 
 While this may seem unfair in some cases (often to everyone!) it is 
 actually the FCC restriction on unattended operations to certain band 
 segments that have kept the unattended stations from covering all the HF 
 bands with Pactor-II and Pactor-III, which they would dearly like to do, 
 so they would never have interference from one of their own kind. All 
 modes, with no other legally-enforceable restrictions, would be a 
 disaster for all our HF activities. The problem with recommendations 
 is that they are only suggestions, so there are those who do not agree 
 with the recommendations and just do what and where they wish. US 
 amateurs, since they are governed instead by laws, face license 
 revocation or fines if they consistently flaunt the laws.
 
 73 - Skip KH6TY