[digitalradio] Re: Something New - Ham Radio Email delivery time - Use what we have.

2008-08-08 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, WD8ARZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

As usual Rick you take comments and twist them to take off on a 
tangent and make personal put downs. 

I didn't recall anything like this in Rick's recent posts, so I 
went back and reviewed them -- and didn't find any. 


Worse yet you make associations that were not made and not intended.

What could possibly be wrong with proposing new ideas?


snip


As one of the testers of Scamp, its amazing you are still pushing in 
directions that are not being continued by the originators.

What could possibly be wrong with pushing in directions not being 
continued by SCAMP's originators?

73,

Dave, AA6YQ



Re: [digitalradio] Re: Something New - Ham Radio Email delivery time - Use what we have.

2008-08-08 Thread WD8ARZ
Dave, enjoy your software and respect that effort very much. Really 
surprised to find your comments that continue the mis-direction from the 
original email.

It is obvious in my original message that no twists or personal comments 
were directed at anyone, that there is no intent to counter new ideas, or 
that there were limits to directions anyone could take with software. It is 
obvious that the intent of my email was to not forget we can use what we 
have, use it as circumstances and time allow, and it was clear that there 
are issues that will remain with us for some time to come. There were no 
efforts to cover all contingencies, represent all modes of training, fit in 
with all view points or provide the right or wrong way of things should or 
shouldnt be done. These are short emails that dont have to be manuals that 
measure up to peer reviewing hobbyists that cant get off their obsessive 
critique compulsions.

It is clear that some responses were done in a personal way, went out side 
the topic intent, and have distracted the thread into a direction no one 
enjoys and is counter productive. Which seems to be a trend some do with 
regularity. It isnt always what is said or done that is important, but how 
it is said or done that can make a difference in how folks are motivated or 
feel encouraged to participate.

To keep putting others on the defensive seems to be a rather awkward way to 
garner support for ones view points and my email was not about point of 
views. It was about using what we have, that there are a lot of options, and 
there are bandwidth and time issues. No modes were selected, be it digital, 
analog, voice, cw, satellite, cable, internet, landline, laser, etc etc etc 
etc  ...

There was intentionally room to go in any direction one wants to use what 
currently exists, but it is obvious that one needs to be prepared to use 
what is here today, as best possible with the inherent limitations.

My response here is not just a defensive reaction to criticism. It is a 
response to try and prevent others from mis-representing the intent of my 
original email. Silence sometimes is used to avoid contenuation of being a 
target, and I was tempted to do that (and now will), but I had  to make it 
clear that I by no means approve of the habitual twisted spins some throw 
out in their verbal spars that do nothing to the betterment of others or the 
topic.

My apologies to others. Moderators, please feel free to block this thread 
from further negative progression.

Regards, WD8ARZ ..
 



RE: [digitalradio] Re: Something New - Ham Radio Email delivery time - Use what we have.

2008-08-08 Thread Dave AA6YQ
As I said, Bill, I reviewed the thread and saw no signs of enmity, twisted
spins, misdirection, or anything else remotely nefarious. Rick was simply
pointing out that there's a pretty big hole, and that SCAMP demonstrated
years ago that this hole could be filled.

With respect to your point that some responses ... went outside the topic
intent, and have distracted the thread into a direction no one enjoys and is
counter productive, I would remind you that you speak only for yourself.
Discussions like these frequently go off in unexpected directions. Some are
immediately productive, some go nowhere, and some pop up again later in
useful ways. Attempting to control this would in my opinion prevent this
group from serving as an effective meeting place for discussion.

 73,

   Dave, AA6YQ

-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of WD8ARZ
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:50 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Something New - Ham Radio Email delivery
time - Use what we have.


Dave, enjoy your software and respect that effort very much. Really
surprised to find your comments that continue the mis-direction from the
original email.

It is obvious in my original message that no twists or personal comments
were directed at anyone, that there is no intent to counter new ideas, or
that there were limits to directions anyone could take with software. It is
obvious that the intent of my email was to not forget we can use what we
have, use it as circumstances and time allow, and it was clear that there
are issues that will remain with us for some time to come. There were no
efforts to cover all contingencies, represent all modes of training, fit in
with all view points or provide the right or wrong way of things should or
shouldnt be done. These are short emails that dont have to be manuals that
measure up to peer reviewing hobbyists that cant get off their obsessive
critique compulsions.

It is clear that some responses were done in a personal way, went out side
the topic intent, and have distracted the thread into a direction no one
enjoys and is counter productive. Which seems to be a trend some do with
regularity. It isnt always what is said or done that is important, but how
it is said or done that can make a difference in how folks are motivated or
feel encouraged to participate.

To keep putting others on the defensive seems to be a rather awkward way to
garner support for ones view points and my email was not about point of
views. It was about using what we have, that there are a lot of options, and
there are bandwidth and time issues. No modes were selected, be it digital,
analog, voice, cw, satellite, cable, internet, landline, laser, etc etc etc
etc ...

There was intentionally room to go in any direction one wants to use what
currently exists, but it is obvious that one needs to be prepared to use
what is here today, as best possible with the inherent limitations.

My response here is not just a defensive reaction to criticism. It is a
response to try and prevent others from mis-representing the intent of my
original email. Silence sometimes is used to avoid contenuation of being a
target, and I was tempted to do that (and now will), but I had to make it
clear that I by no means approve of the habitual twisted spins some throw
out in their verbal spars that do nothing to the betterment of others or the
topic.

My apologies to others. Moderators, please feel free to block this thread
from further negative progression.

Regards, WD8ARZ ..