RE: [digitalradio] Re: 3rd Generation Digital radio

2010-04-21 Thread Simon HB9DRV
D-Star repeaters provide much better coverage due to the codec (I base this
on one test made which was most impressive). As for technology - this is
part of the Education benefits in Amateur Radio, my interest in radio
resulted in a degree in electronics  mathematics. I listen almost all day
while working on technology.

Anyone can pick up a microphone and talk - so why not go 'down the pub'
instead?

Some believe that Radio Hams should be banned from all emergency situations
in the UK. In countries with a much larger land mass such as the US it's
arguable a different matter but for European countries with a good telecoms
infrastructure?

Simon Brown, HB9DRV
http://sdr-radio.com


 -Original Message-
 From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of g4ilo
 
 Indeed, I don't really see
 that even D-Star enhances the hobby in any way
 
 I'm afraid that technology is starting to take the magic out of radio.
 
 Of course, I have a different perspective coming from the UK where
 amateur radio isn't regarded as primarily an emergency communications
 service. :)
 




Re: [digitalradio] Re: 3rd Generation Digital radio

2010-04-21 Thread J. Moen
Simon, Interesting comment about EmComm in the UK.

I live in an eathquake-prone area.  We assume the telecoms infrastructure will 
be down for days or weeks, depending on severity.  Hurricane Katrina showed 
other weather problems can take out the telecoms and power infrastructure for a 
long time. 

So EmComm experts here build up the ability to get back on the air without 
infrastructure.  The DStar network, in my opinion should not be a primary part 
of the EmComm plan, but local unconnected repeaters running on emergency 
generators could help using DStar apps like DRats for accurate written forms 
over the radio.  Presumably the command center would also have long distance RF 
links on traditional HF. 

Hams involvement in EmComm provides another huge resource -- trained people.  
If public service employees can't get to their work during a disaster, there 
will probably be some nearby, trained Hams available.  The fact that they come 
with their own radios is a bonus.

Responding to Julian G4ILO, I am old enough to remember the AMers complain 
about the terrible squawk from the new-fangled SSB.  But the new technology 
(wasn't actually new, but new to many Hams in the late 50s) brought in new 
Hams, increased excitement, homebrewing, experimentation and fun.

I see much of the same going on in the DStar community.  Now that non-ICOM gear 
is getting on the air, a few Hams are homebrewing hardware and more are 
homebrewing software.  There's a lot of excitement in this space now.  Yes, it 
is a mixture of VOIP with RF technologies, and in normal times a cell phone 
would do the same thing, but that statement is true of traditional HF modes -- 
Hams worldwide could hang up their gear and go to telephones and the internet 
if simple communicating were the goal. 

I personally love to sit out in a field doing PSK31 with my NUE-PSK modem and 
an FT-817ND, both battery-operated, using a portable vertical that goes up in 3 
minutes.  No infrastructure at all, other than how the battery gets recharged 
every other day.  Some portable solar panels would fix that. 

I don't get the same thrill using my cellphone or internet email.

   Jim - K6JM


- Original Message - 
  From: Simon HB9DRV 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:54 AM
  Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: 3rd Generation Digital radio

  D-Star repeaters provide much better coverage due to the codec (I base this
  on one test made which was most impressive). As for technology - this is
  part of the Education benefits in Amateur Radio, my interest in radio
  resulted in a degree in electronics  mathematics. I listen almost all day
  while working on technology.

  Anyone can pick up a microphone and talk - so why not go 'down the pub'
  instead?

  Some believe that Radio Hams should be banned from all emergency situations
  in the UK. In countries with a much larger land mass such as the US it's
  arguable a different matter but for European countries with a good telecoms
  infrastructure?

  Simon Brown, HB9DRV
  http://sdr-radio.com

   -Original Message-
   From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of g4ilo
   
   Indeed, I don't really see
   that even D-Star enhances the hobby in any way
   
   I'm afraid that technology is starting to take the magic out of radio.
   
   Of course, I have a different perspective coming from the UK where
   amateur radio isn't regarded as primarily an emergency communications
   service. :)
   



Re: [digitalradio] Re : 3rd generation digital radio

2010-04-21 Thread J. Moen
Mel,

You make a good point about our differences.  In the US, EmComm is a niche 
that some hams fill enthusiastically, while others don't get involved but are 
grateful for those who do.  It's always there to learn about in the future, 
like digital modes, QRP, EME, UHF DX, low bands, etc.  So much to do, so much 
to learn, so little time

  Jim - K6JM

  - Original Message - 
  From: raf3151019 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:34 PM
  Subject: [digitalradio] Re : 3rd generation digital radio

  I believe a substantial number of American radio amateurs regard using radio 
tranceivers and their associated pieces of equipment in an entirely different 
way to their counterparts in Europe. The two continents are entirely different 
and consequently the people who live in the two continents are different.

  In America great stress is put upon emergency survival, luckily in Europe we 
don't have to contend with regular tornado's and hurricanes, ice storms which 
destroy electricity supply to vast areas of the country, and huge amounts of 
melting snow which can raise river depths by tens of feet and cause flooding 
and hardship to many many thousands of people.

  Situations such as these occur rarely, if at all, in Europe, the continent is 
more densely populated and services to support the population are provided by 
professional trained personnel in every country at a substantial cost to its 
citizens.

  Luckily most of us in Europe regard amateur radio as a hobby, somewhat akin 
to fishing, we sit there, put out a call and don't know what we are about to 
catch, its a lucky dip !

  Kind regards, Mel G0GQK