Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes
I only recently joined this list so here is some more specific information on 6-meter wideband digital testing. TheARRL, at therequest ofthe HSMM WG,asked for and was granted a license to test digital modes up to 200 kHz wideon 6 meters.Agoal of 256 kbps was set as this wouldallow decent compressed video transmssion in the future andthe enhanced propogation on 6 m may be usefulin rural areas. I did limited testing on 50.7 MHz with atransverter fed by test equipment generating the test signalat a fixed locationand a mobile receiver.50.6-50.8 MHz is experimental digital in the Northern California band plan. The NCPA shows this as multiple non-specific 20 kHz digital channels, but I saw nothing on a spectrum analyzer before or after the times that I was radiating. I did email the NCPA for recommendatins but never received a reply. Theoccupied bandwidthwas less than 200 kHz sosignalwas in the noise before the 50.4 MHz AM calling frequency is reached. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: bruce mallon To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 19:06 UTC Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes You still don't get it it's not me you need to betalking to go post this on 6 meter user groupswebsites and see if they agree with you .--- John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Bruce, The segment 50.5 - 51 is too small. Remember we need something 200 kHz wide to achieve the data rate objective for the test per Shannon's Rule. To get to 240 kbps with OFDM modulation we need 200 kHz of bandwidth. Again, it is just a TEST and with a temporary EXPERIMENTAL ticket. This is NOT a permanent band change. If the FCC does allows for continued use, however, where in the 6M band do you or SMIRK suggest we set up housekeeping? John - K8OCL From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED]com Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Rick If someone had proposed 50.5-51.00 ( NOT 50.300 - 54.000 ) for SS 99% of us could have lived with that. That part of the band is very lightly used except for some psk digi radios that are already there. No one I know of is opposed to digital anything unless it is going to interfere with all other modes. The ARRL did at best a very poor job of informing band users and if your not a league member and don't get qst you were not informed at all and I agree SMIRK which should have done more seems to have let us down. What I see here is a lack of concern of the " EXPERIMENTER HAMS " in what what they seem important and indifferent to what it would do to all other users . get out of our way you LEGACY modes .. we are what this band needs .. Myself I have bought a new TS-2000 and have psk-31 on my older ft-100 that i can use over a wide range of bands so I'm not a SSB ELITE type ham and open to new modes on any band as long as that mode doesn't displace modes already there displacing other hams does nothing to build interest in this hobby. As for 220 MHz we lost 220-222 because the ARRL failed again to act and with a CLASS E CB proposed they fought that plan which was modded to allowing UPS to have the band anyway. I was one of only 5 users within 100 miles of Tampa on that band in 1974 and was running stack KLM 9 elm beams at 50 foot here in Tampabay and getting to Orlando and Brooksville every night . I was quite active on 220 before i got married and had to get rid of it back in 1980 HOWEVER it is a wonderful band and SS should get very good results as good as 2 meters with much less interference. A GOOD CHOICE ON THE PART OF THE FCC ! Unlike 6 or 2 Meters the 220 mhz band is almost unused nation wide but remember it is A GREAT BAND FOR TROPO and it DOES get E-Skip! just like 2 does. In the future any wide changes to 6 or 2 needs to be well thought out with input from the USERS. More proposals like 50.3-54 and 144.3 to 148 are doomed to failure since they impact all ready existing modes and set band plans and do nothing to increase usage of these bands. Bruce __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy
Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes
Rick If someone had proposed 50.5-51.00 ( NOT 50.300 - 54.000 ) for SS 99% of us could have lived with that. That part of the band is very lightly used except for some psk digi radios that are already there. No one I know of is opposed to digital anything unless it is going to interfere with all other modes. The ARRL did at best a very poor job of informing band users and if your not a league member and don't get qst you were not informed at all and I agree SMIRK which should have done more seems to have let us down. What I see here is a lack of concern of the EXPERIMENTER HAMS in what what they seem important and indifferent to what it would do to all other users . get out of our way you LEGACY modes .. we are what this band needs .. Myself I have bought a new TS-2000 and have psk-31 on my older ft-100 that i can use over a wide range of bands so I'm not a SSB ELITE type ham and open to new modes on any band as long as that mode doesn't displace modes already there displacing other hams does nothing to build interest in this hobby. As for 220 MHz we lost 220-222 because the ARRL failed again to act and with a CLASS E CB proposed they fought that plan which was modded to allowing UPS to have the band anyway. I was one of only 5 users within 100 miles of Tampa on that band in 1974 and was running stack KLM 9 elm beams at 50 foot here in Tampabay and getting to Orlando and Brooksville every night . I was quite active on 220 before i got married and had to get rid of it back in 1980 HOWEVER it is a wonderful band and SS should get very good results as good as 2 meters with much less interference. A GOOD CHOICE ON THE PART OF THE FCC ! Unlike 6 or 2 Meters the 220 mhz band is almost unused nation wide but remember it is A GREAT BAND FOR TROPO and it DOES get E-Skip! just like 2 does. In the future any wide changes to 6 or 2 needs to be well thought out with input from the USERS. More proposals like 50.3-54 and 144.3 to 148 are doomed to failure since they impact all ready existing modes and set band plans and do nothing to increase usage of these bands. Bruce __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes
Bruce, The segment 50.5 - 51 is too small. Remember we need something 200 kHz wide to achieve the data rate objective for the test per Shannon's Rule. To get to 240 kbps with OFDM modulation we need 200 kHz of bandwidth. Again, it is just a TEST and with a temporary EXPERIMENTAL ticket. This is NOT a permanent band change. If the FCC does allows for continued use, however, where in the 6M band do you or SMIRK suggest we set up housekeeping? John - K8OCL From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Rick If someone had proposed 50.5-51.00 ( NOT 50.300 - 54.000 ) for SS 99% of us could have lived with that. That part of the band is very lightly used except for some psk digi radios that are already there. No one I know of is opposed to digital anything unless it is going to interfere with all other modes. The ARRL did at best a very poor job of informing band users and if your not a league member and don't get qst you were not informed at all and I agree SMIRK which should have done more seems to have let us down. What I see here is a lack of concern of the EXPERIMENTER HAMS in what what they seem important and indifferent to what it would do to all other users . get out of our way you LEGACY modes .. we are what this band needs .. Myself I have bought a new TS-2000 and have psk-31 on my older ft-100 that i can use over a wide range of bands so I'm not a SSB ELITE type ham and open to new modes on any band as long as that mode doesn't displace modes already there displacing other hams does nothing to build interest in this hobby. As for 220 MHz we lost 220-222 because the ARRL failed again to act and with a CLASS E CB proposed they fought that plan which was modded to allowing UPS to have the band anyway. I was one of only 5 users within 100 miles of Tampa on that band in 1974 and was running stack KLM 9 elm beams at 50 foot here in Tampabay and getting to Orlando and Brooksville every night . I was quite active on 220 before i got married and had to get rid of it back in 1980 HOWEVER it is a wonderful band and SS should get very good results as good as 2 meters with much less interference. A GOOD CHOICE ON THE PART OF THE FCC ! Unlike 6 or 2 Meters the 220 mhz band is almost unused nation wide but remember it is A GREAT BAND FOR TROPO and it DOES get E-Skip! just like 2 does. In the future any wide changes to 6 or 2 needs to be well thought out with input from the USERS. More proposals like 50.3-54 and 144.3 to 148 are doomed to failure since they impact all ready existing modes and set band plans and do nothing to increase usage of these bands. Bruce __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes
You still don't get it it's not me you need to be talking to go post this on 6 meter user groups websites and see if they agree with you . --- John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, The segment 50.5 - 51 is too small. Remember we need something 200 kHz wide to achieve the data rate objective for the test per Shannon's Rule. To get to 240 kbps with OFDM modulation we need 200 kHz of bandwidth. Again, it is just a TEST and with a temporary EXPERIMENTAL ticket. This is NOT a permanent band change. If the FCC does allows for continued use, however, where in the 6M band do you or SMIRK suggest we set up housekeeping? John - K8OCL From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Rick If someone had proposed 50.5-51.00 ( NOT 50.300 - 54.000 ) for SS 99% of us could have lived with that. That part of the band is very lightly used except for some psk digi radios that are already there. No one I know of is opposed to digital anything unless it is going to interfere with all other modes. The ARRL did at best a very poor job of informing band users and if your not a league member and don't get qst you were not informed at all and I agree SMIRK which should have done more seems to have let us down. What I see here is a lack of concern of the EXPERIMENTER HAMS in what what they seem important and indifferent to what it would do to all other users . get out of our way you LEGACY modes .. we are what this band needs .. Myself I have bought a new TS-2000 and have psk-31 on my older ft-100 that i can use over a wide range of bands so I'm not a SSB ELITE type ham and open to new modes on any band as long as that mode doesn't displace modes already there displacing other hams does nothing to build interest in this hobby. As for 220 MHz we lost 220-222 because the ARRL failed again to act and with a CLASS E CB proposed they fought that plan which was modded to allowing UPS to have the band anyway. I was one of only 5 users within 100 miles of Tampa on that band in 1974 and was running stack KLM 9 elm beams at 50 foot here in Tampabay and getting to Orlando and Brooksville every night . I was quite active on 220 before i got married and had to get rid of it back in 1980 HOWEVER it is a wonderful band and SS should get very good results as good as 2 meters with much less interference. A GOOD CHOICE ON THE PART OF THE FCC ! Unlike 6 or 2 Meters the 220 mhz band is almost unused nation wide but remember it is A GREAT BAND FOR TROPO and it DOES get E-Skip! just like 2 does. In the future any wide changes to 6 or 2 needs to be well thought out with input from the USERS. More proposals like 50.3-54 and 144.3 to 148 are doomed to failure since they impact all ready existing modes and set band plans and do nothing to increase usage of these bands. Bruce __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes
Can you give me the name of some 6 meter user groups? Larry ve3fxq - Original Message - From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes You still don't get it it's not me you need to be talking to go post this on 6 meter user groups websites and see if they agree with you . --- John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, The segment 50.5 - 51 is too small. Remember we need something 200 kHz wide to achieve the data rate objective for the test per Shannon's Rule. To get to 240 kbps with OFDM modulation we need 200 kHz of bandwidth. Again, it is just a TEST and with a temporary EXPERIMENTAL ticket. This is NOT a permanent band change. If the FCC does allows for continued use, however, where in the 6M band do you or SMIRK suggest we set up housekeeping? John - K8OCL From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Rick If someone had proposed 50.5-51.00 ( NOT 50.300 - 54.000 ) for SS 99% of us could have lived with that. That part of the band is very lightly used except for some psk digi radios that are already there. No one I know of is opposed to digital anything unless it is going to interfere with all other modes. The ARRL did at best a very poor job of informing band users and if your not a league member and don't get qst you were not informed at all and I agree SMIRK which should have done more seems to have let us down. What I see here is a lack of concern of the EXPERIMENTER HAMS in what what they seem important and indifferent to what it would do to all other users . get out of our way you LEGACY modes .. we are what this band needs .. Myself I have bought a new TS-2000 and have psk-31 on my older ft-100 that i can use over a wide range of bands so I'm not a SSB ELITE type ham and open to new modes on any band as long as that mode doesn't displace modes already there displacing other hams does nothing to build interest in this hobby. As for 220 MHz we lost 220-222 because the ARRL failed again to act and with a CLASS E CB proposed they fought that plan which was modded to allowing UPS to have the band anyway. I was one of only 5 users within 100 miles of Tampa on that band in 1974 and was running stack KLM 9 elm beams at 50 foot here in Tampabay and getting to Orlando and Brooksville every night . I was quite active on 220 before i got married and had to get rid of it back in 1980 HOWEVER it is a wonderful band and SS should get very good results as good as 2 meters with much less interference. A GOOD CHOICE ON THE PART OF THE FCC ! Unlike 6 or 2 Meters the 220 mhz band is almost unused nation wide but remember it is A GREAT BAND FOR TROPO and it DOES get E-Skip! just like 2 does. In the future any wide changes to 6 or 2 needs to be well thought out with input from the USERS. More proposals like 50.3-54 and 144.3 to 148 are doomed to failure since they impact all ready existing modes and set band plans and do nothing to increase usage of these bands. Bruce __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes
Can you give me the name of some 6 meter user groups? Larry ve3fxq [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks! 73, doc, KD4E ... somewhere in FL URL: bibleseven (dot) com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes
It's not only the current users that are important but the future users. What about the potential amateurs in Jr High School. How do we make the bands useful for them? I suggest the question is not if they will be using them in the future, but under which regulations - Part 97 or Part 15. Bill - WA7NWP You still don't get it it's not me you need to be talking to go post this on 6 meter user groups websites and see if they agree with you . The segment 50.5 - 51 is too small. Remember we need something 200 kHz wide to achieve the data rate objective for the test per Shannon's Rule. To get to 240 kbps with OFDM modulation we need 200 kHz of bandwidth. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes
Bruce, I get it. Chill out. It's only one test station in California, so why bother?! Besides he scanned the frequency range for weeks prior to testing, and heard nothing at all...zip, nada. Of course, the band wasn't open then either. In addition, I rather doubt an AM station would even notice his low level signal. Keep in mind that although it is 100 watts, it is spread out over as much as 200 kHz. If they heard it at all, they would probably think mit was some weak background noise. Here is his latest update as of today from KD6OZH: I had to take down the antennas to fumigate the house for termites, so I'll be puttng them back up in the next few days. In the mean time, I'm writing some new software. I've been using a program to generate a .wav file to program the arbitrary waveform generator that modulates a signal geneator for the 6 m test signal. The new program will decode that file and could be the basis of a software modem that might work at up to 128 kbps with 96 ksps sound cards. John From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:06:01 -0700 (PDT) You still don't get it it's not me you need to be talking to go post this on 6 meter user groups websites and see if they agree with you . --- John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, The segment 50.5 - 51 is too small. Remember we need something 200 kHz wide to achieve the data rate objective for the test per Shannon's Rule. To get to 240 kbps with OFDM modulation we need 200 kHz of bandwidth. Again, it is just a TEST and with a temporary EXPERIMENTAL ticket. This is NOT a permanent band change. If the FCC does allows for continued use, however, where in the 6M band do you or SMIRK suggest we set up housekeeping? John - K8OCL From: bruce mallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Rick If someone had proposed 50.5-51.00 ( NOT 50.300 - 54.000 ) for SS 99% of us could have lived with that. That part of the band is very lightly used except for some psk digi radios that are already there. No one I know of is opposed to digital anything unless it is going to interfere with all other modes. The ARRL did at best a very poor job of informing band users and if your not a league member and don't get qst you were not informed at all and I agree SMIRK which should have done more seems to have let us down. What I see here is a lack of concern of the EXPERIMENTER HAMS in what what they seem important and indifferent to what it would do to all other users . get out of our way you LEGACY modes .. we are what this band needs .. Myself I have bought a new TS-2000 and have psk-31 on my older ft-100 that i can use over a wide range of bands so I'm not a SSB ELITE type ham and open to new modes on any band as long as that mode doesn't displace modes already there displacing other hams does nothing to build interest in this hobby. As for 220 MHz we lost 220-222 because the ARRL failed again to act and with a CLASS E CB proposed they fought that plan which was modded to allowing UPS to have the band anyway. I was one of only 5 users within 100 miles of Tampa on that band in 1974 and was running stack KLM 9 elm beams at 50 foot here in Tampabay and getting to Orlando and Brooksville every night . I was quite active on 220 before i got married and had to get rid of it back in 1980 HOWEVER it is a wonderful band and SS should get very good results as good as 2 meters with much less interference. A GOOD CHOICE ON THE PART OF THE FCC ! Unlike 6 or 2 Meters the 220 mhz band is almost unused nation wide but remember it is A GREAT BAND FOR TROPO and it DOES get E-Skip! just like 2 does. In the future any wide changes to 6 or 2 needs to be well thought out with input from the USERS. More proposals like 50.3-54 and 144.3 to 148 are doomed to failure since they impact all ready existing modes and set band plans and do nothing to increase usage of these bands. Bruce __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com
RE: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes
Rick, I have had the same experience here too, especially regarding 6M and 10M bands. Out of the hundreds of Hams in the area, I know of only two who use HF digital modes. Thank goodness for lists like these. 73, John - K8OCL From: KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:30:28 -0500 Bruce, The ARRL is not generally going to ask other groups for input. It would really be a bit unethical if my organization bypasses me and goes to another organization for input. The input clearly needs to come from the membership. So the ARRL acted appropriately. What seems to be coming out of all this is that SMIRK did not act in their members best interest and ignored the FCC proposal. You do this at your own risk. So I would talk to them about this and how you can use the organization to further your interests, just like the other groups do. Just so you know, I certainly would never support any wide band modes beyond what we now have on 6 meters or 2 meters. And that includes SS techniques which destroy the noise floor over too wide an area. However, I would like to see 6 meters used a LOT more than it is. It is frustrating to me that after all these years, with many, many, more hams with Technician Class Licenses, and with all the new amazing rigs with 6 and sometimes even 2 and 440 SSB added on, very few hams are working these bands for local contacts. The equipment (the really pathetic equipment) I had in 1964 to work 6 meters (and could never get it to work) is a far cry from what we have now and yet you just do not find many operators. I call every so often on 52.525 FM and 50.125 SSB with almost no contacts. Sure, when the band opens up, you can then work many stations. I know that there are very weak signal modes such as some rare EME work and more common meteor shower work so you don't want to jeopardize those areas. By the way, since I moved about 30-40 miles away from my former QTH which was centrally located to our club's Wednesday night chat net, we have tried many different HF frequencies to see what works the best for voice. We initially started on 28.400 for the last year or two but the reason for selecting 10 meter phone was so that the Tech + and Novices could be part of the group. Guess what? At no time have we ever had any of them come to the well publicized net. So recently we have been trying other bands, and 80 tends to go long and you get too many distant stations wanting to contact us, 40 and 20 are outside the NVIS range and have a weaker ground wave. Unfortunately same for 6 meters:( We thought that might work OK for direct/skywave, but very mediocre results with our mediocre antennas. The bands that really work the best are: 160 if the other stations are willing to install an antenna ... and ... 15 meters was the best ground/direct wave of all the bands we tried. Even with Butternut and R7 type verticals. I still can not quite figure out the reason. I sure wish I could get some of the stations to try digital, especially on 6 meters and 160 meters, but it seems nearly impossible out of 150 + hams in the greater area, we have very few that will even try digital modes at all:( 73, Rick, KV9U bruce mallon wrote: They were not asked THAT'S THE POINT . also how many members of this commity are long time 6 meter users? How many are active on 6 meters? If newer modes like digital are to catch on you cannot call others LEGACY modes and work around them to seze frequencys and thats EXACTLY what was done here ... it is not in your best intrest. --- KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the lesson might be that unless we come to the meeting and speak up, our voices will not be heard. Actually, special interest groups such as SMIRK, SWOT, etc., should position themselves as advocates for their members point of view. I assume that they did this? Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes
You got it made. At least you know other hams in the area. I know of one other, and he isnt on hf, in my whole county. I knew more overseas than I do here, and there were some pretty small ham populations over there, in places. Three others that I did know here, have died over the past 22 years. I have put a few new ones on the books, but only in the surrounding counties. I grew up in a small town in Texas, where there were onlyi 2 teenage hams, and when they graduated, and left, there were none. I had to go over a 100 miles away to get someone to give me my Novice tests. Yes, thanks to these grups, we are able to talk, discuss and yell at each other, but gain knowledge so much better than from books. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Champa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes Rick, I have had the same experience here too, especially regarding 6M and 10M bands. Out of the hundreds of Hams in the area, I know of only two who use HF digital modes. Thank goodness for lists like these. 73, John - K8OCL From: KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Don't ignore proposals/local HF net successes Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:30:28 -0500 Bruce, The ARRL is not generally going to ask other groups for input. It would really be a bit unethical if my organization bypasses me and goes to another organization for input. The input clearly needs to come from the membership. So the ARRL acted appropriately. What seems to be coming out of all this is that SMIRK did not act in their members best interest and ignored the FCC proposal. You do this at your own risk. So I would talk to them about this and how you can use the organization to further your interests, just like the other groups do. Just so you know, I certainly would never support any wide band modes beyond what we now have on 6 meters or 2 meters. And that includes SS techniques which destroy the noise floor over too wide an area. However, I would like to see 6 meters used a LOT more than it is. It is frustrating to me that after all these years, with many, many, more hams with Technician Class Licenses, and with all the new amazing rigs with 6 and sometimes even 2 and 440 SSB added on, very few hams are working these bands for local contacts. The equipment (the really pathetic equipment) I had in 1964 to work 6 meters (and could never get it to work) is a far cry from what we have now and yet you just do not find many operators. I call every so often on 52.525 FM and 50.125 SSB with almost no contacts. Sure, when the band opens up, you can then work many stations. I know that there are very weak signal modes such as some rare EME work and more common meteor shower work so you don't want to jeopardize those areas. By the way, since I moved about 30-40 miles away from my former QTH which was centrally located to our club's Wednesday night chat net, we have tried many different HF frequencies to see what works the best for voice. We initially started on 28.400 for the last year or two but the reason for selecting 10 meter phone was so that the Tech + and Novices could be part of the group. Guess what? At no time have we ever had any of them come to the well publicized net. So recently we have been trying other bands, and 80 tends to go long and you get too many distant stations wanting to contact us, 40 and 20 are outside the NVIS range and have a weaker ground wave. Unfortunately same for 6 meters:( We thought that might work OK for direct/skywave, but very mediocre results with our mediocre antennas. The bands that really work the best are: 160 if the other stations are willing to install an antenna ... and ... 15 meters was the best ground/direct wave of all the bands we tried. Even with Butternut and R7 type verticals. I still can not quite figure out the reason. I sure wish I could get some of the stations to try digital, especially on 6 meters and 160 meters, but it seems nearly impossible out of 150 + hams in the greater area, we have very few that will even try digital modes at all:( 73, Rick, KV9U bruce mallon wrote: They were not asked THAT'S THE POINT . also how many members of this commity are long time 6 meter users? How many are active on 6 meters? If newer modes like digital are to catch on you cannot call others LEGACY modes and work around them to seze frequencys and thats EXACTLY what was done here ... it is not in your best intrest. --- KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the lesson might be that unless we come to the meeting and speak up, our voices
