Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

[Mirek M.]

2010/11/4 Craig A. Eddy 

> Robert, I'm sorry, but I must
> disagree with you.I'm not a developer, I'm a user.I will admit that
> I started with Microsoft Word (More years ago than I'm comfortable
> admitting), but switched to OO.o as soon as it came out.It's only
> just recently that I've begun to understand how to use (and create)
> styles because of the complexity and lack of intuitiveness involved.That,
> coupled with the gadawful heading and text styles left me with
> having to adjust the Microsoft way - manually.I would much rather be
> able to set up a style and have a document stick to it than to have to
> go through manually and adjust everything just because I made a
> change.But, not being a "trained" power-user, the best I can do is
> stumble along learning by accident.And, just in the way of introduction, I
> have been many things in my
> life.In one job, alone (that I held for 15 1/2 years), I was a
> self-taught AutoCAD operator, a self-taught webmaster and website
> designer, a brochure and flier creator, and the jack-leg systems
> administrator that answered such questions as "how do I do this with
> this program" (a program with which I was unfamiliar and didn't have
> installed on my machine), or "how come my machine keeps slowing
> down/crashing" (people just won't learn about viruses).I am looking forward
> to LibreOffice as the new freedom from Microsoft
> thinking.Craig A. EddyOn 11/04/2010 11:19 AM, Robert Derman wrote:Sebastian
> Spaeth wrote:On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:55:19 +0100, Johannes
> Bausch wrote:things concerning tables. We absolutely
> HAVE to make the user use thestylesheet stuff, and it must be so easy that
> they start to use it onone-paged documents.Removing the font chooser, and
> font-size selector would save lots ofspace that could be replaced with a
> simple style chooser :)Here I have to disagree, non power users are much
> more likely to use
> the font chooser and size selector than they are to have anything at
> all to do with styles.
>

On styles: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/citrus-styles/

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[tdf-discuss] Re: Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation

[Jonathan Corbet]

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:46:35 +0100
Roberto Resoli  wrote:

> If there are multiple authors of a
> copyrighted work, successful enforcement depends on having the
> cooperation of all authors.

Please.  See busybox.  See kernel.  Those are the projects which have,
by far, achieved the most real-world, court-tested copyright
enforcement of any.  Neither has uniform copyright ownership, and
neither has ever had the "cooperation of all authors" in its enforcement
activities.  I have no idea why this claim still gets repeated.

jon

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[tdf-discuss] again: link to netiquette or libo page for listmail footer "Posting guidelines"

[Friedrich Strohmaier]

Hello all,

I'm starting to change the listmail footers of the other mailinglists
according to the on appending this mail.

Does anyone know a good link to mailinglist netiquette or is there
already setup a project related wiki page which can be linked to instead
of appending learn2quote?

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[tdf-discuss] feature requests?

[Frank Esposito]

Forgive me if this has been discussed already but...

Is there a central place (on the wiki for example, --I could not find it) or
ideatorrent site  where new ideas and feature requests are made for future
versions of LO?

thanks
Frank

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Re: [tdf-discuss] again: link to netiquette or libo page for listmail footer "Posting guidelines"

[Barbara Duprey]

On 11/8/2010 1:57 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

Hello all,

I'm starting to change the listmail footers of the other mailinglists
according to the on appending this mail.

Does anyone know a good link to mailinglist netiquette or is there
already setup a project related wiki page which can be linked to instead
of appending learn2quote?

Gruß/regards


Didn't we already conclude that we need a page of our own, perhaps using tips from the one you cited 
and from the guidelines on the OOo site? It really needs one of the website devs to make it happen, 
I think, though certainly there are those of us here who'd be happy to help with a collaborative 
activity.


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[tdf-discuss] Re: feature requests?

[Marc Paré]

Le 2010-11-08 15:31, Frank Esposito a écrit :

Forgive me if this has been discussed already but...

Is there a central place (on the wiki for example, --I could not find it) or
ideatorrent site  where new ideas and feature requests are made for future
versions of LO?

thanks
Frank



We have talked about it for the Drupal site and it looks like we'll have 
one. It just depends on the format. You can read the thread here:

http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg02698.html

Marc


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: feature requests?

[Frank Esposito]

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Marc Paré  wrote:

> Le 2010-11-08 15:31, Frank Esposito a écrit :
>
>  Forgive me if this has been discussed already but...
>>
>> Is there a central place (on the wiki for example, --I could not find it)
>> or
>> ideatorrent site  where new ideas and feature requests are made for future
>> versions of LO?
>>
>> thanks
>> Frank
>>
>>
> We have talked about it for the Drupal site and it looks like we'll have
> one. It just depends on the format. You can read the thread here:
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg02698.html
>
> Marc
>
>
thank you Marc, I will have a look!

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[tdf-discuss] Re: feature requests?

[Marc Paré]

Le 2010-11-08 16:01, Frank Esposito a écrit :

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Marc Paré  wrote:


Le 2010-11-08 15:31, Frank Esposito a écrit :

  Forgive me if this has been discussed already but...


Is there a central place (on the wiki for example, --I could not find it)
or
ideatorrent site  where new ideas and feature requests are made for future
versions of LO?

thanks
Frank



We have talked about it for the Drupal site and it looks like we'll have
one. It just depends on the format. You can read the thread here:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg02698.html

Marc



thank you Marc, I will have a look!



You can also find those who are interested in working it on the Drupal 
site here: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Drupal_Strategy#Idea_Generation_System


Add your name if you are interested!

Marc


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Re: [tdf-discuss] again: link to netiquette or libo page for listmail footer "Posting guidelines"

[Friedrich Strohmaier]

Hi Barbara, *,

Barbara Duprey schrieb:

>On 11/8/2010 1:57 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

[..]

>> Does anyone know a good link to mailinglist netiquette or is there
>> already setup a project related wiki page which can be linked to
>> instead of appending learn2quote?

> Didn't we already conclude that we need a page of our own, perhaps
> using tips from the one you cited and from the guidelines on the OOo
> site?

We talked about that, but aparently there isn't such thing around up to
now..

> It really needs one of the website devs to make it happen, I
> think,

Not really. It could be a wiki site as well.

> though certainly there are those of us here who'd be happy to
> help with a collaborative activity.

I'm about to start now. So if there is a better link I will paste
that one. Otherwise we will stick with the existing one and change it,
once there is a better joice.


Gruß/regards
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: priorising feature-requests was: LO mobile phone version

[Bernhard Dippold]

Hi e-letter (... strange name by the way...),

e-letter schrieb:

So what happens next? Should the suggestion for LO mobile version
remain in the mailing list archive until the proposals structure is
created? Is any member of the decision-making entity able to say now
whether this proposal is to rejected or accepted?


To avoid your suggestion being buried in the depth of mail archives, you 
might file a bug at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/.


This way supporters of your proposal can confirm and vote for the 
feature request, while developers will have the opportunity to define 
the amount of necessary (man)power and time to work on this task.


As you know, most of the developers are volunteers or paid by companies 
with possibly different interests.


So it might be possible, that your idea is not shared by someone (or 
some company) interested in spending time and money to make it become 
true. That's one of the advantages (at least in my opinion) of a 
volunteer based open source project: People interested in a feature 
becoming true (same goes for bug fixing and any other part of the 
community) know that it depends on them to

- convince others and create a team
- find developers or do the work on their own
- provide the patch (or similar work) to be integrated in the main 
resources.


For strategical decisions like expanding to mobiles I'd think about 
posting the question to steering-disc...@tdf.org - but only when you got 
answer from the developers:


Only with their feedback it will be possible to determine the necessary 
effort...


Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [tdf-discuss] again: link to netiquette or libo page for listmail footer "Posting guidelines"

[Sveinn í Felli]

Þann mán  8.nóv 2010 19:57, skrifaði Friedrich Strohmaier:


Does anyone know a good link to mailinglist netiquette or is there
already setup a project related wiki page which can be linked to instead
of appending learn2quote?



Incredibly many rewrites are based on this one:
RFC 1855: 

Regards,
Sveinn í Felli


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Re: [tdf-discuss] again: link to netiquette or libo page for listmail footer "Posting guidelines"

[Nino Novak]

On Tuesday 09 November 2010 00:02, Sveinn í Felli wrote:
> Þann mán  8.nóv 2010 19:57, skrifaði Friedrich Strohmaier:
> > Does anyone know a good link to mailinglist netiquette or is there
> > already setup a project related wiki page which can be linked to
> > instead of appending learn2quote?
>
> Incredibly many rewrites are based on this one:
> RFC 1855: 

Obviously too long to read ,-)

Why don't we think of 10 short Zen like rules?

Remember how discussion started about contribution rules for OOoWiki[1].

We only should adapt them a bit and add the most important Quoting and 
Not-Top-posting rules, that's it. The shorter the better. People are 
constructive. They don't like (too heavy) rules.

My 2¢

Nino
[1]http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Wiki_Contribution_Guidelines&oldid=159480

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[tdf-discuss] Feature request for 3.3 still possible?

[David Nelson]

Hi, :-)

I'm not sure if the feature freeze for 3.3 has already been declared,
but is there any chance of getting this feature added for 3.3?

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31480

David Nelson

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Re: [tdf-discuss] again: link to netiquette or libo page for listmail footer "Posting guidelines"

[Robert Holtzman]

On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 10:25:54PM +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:

 ..snip.

> 
> I'm about to start now. So if there is a better link I will paste
> that one. Otherwise we will stick with the existing one and change it,
> once there is a better joice.

Have you looked at fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/
MailingListGuidelines?

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[tdf-discuss] Rise of LO and Fall of OO

[Robert Derman]

I am not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but activity on Discuss @ 
OpenOffice.org seems to have peaked somewhere between 4 and 7 years 
ago.  Long before the buyout of Sun by Oracle I noticed a marked decline 
in emails sent to OOo discuss.  I am still subscribed to OOo discuss, 
actually there is little reason to unsubscribe, I don't think that I see 
an average of more than 2 emails a day coming into that mail list anymore. 



On the other hand, the Discuss list at The Document Foundation is 
extremely busy, I haven't counted, but it seems to be 30 to 60 emails a 
day.  It looks to me like OOo will soon become just OO for Oracle 
Office.  If things continue there the way that they have been going 
their version of the program will soon be strictly proprietary with no 
pretense that it has anything to do with Open Source.  



About all I can say about the Fork of OOo is that it is too bad that it 
didn't happen at least 4 years ago when interest and enthusiasm for OOo 
started to noticeably wane on the part of Open Source fans.


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request for 3.3 still possible?

[Marc Paré]

Le 2010-11-08 19:14, David Nelson a écrit :

Hi, :-)

I'm not sure if the feature freeze for 3.3 has already been declared,
but is there any chance of getting this feature added for 3.3?

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31480

David Nelson



Not sure if a freeze is on but I also filed an feature request to 
replace the search/replace function with the extension version which is 
more complete. You can find it here:


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31386

Cheers

Marc


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Feature request for 3.3 still possible?

[Sebastian Spaeth]

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:14:32 +0800, David Nelson wrote:
> I'm not sure if the feature freeze for 3.3 has already been declared,
> but is there any chance of getting this feature added for 3.3?

I am pretty sure that there won't be any changes like that going into
the 3.3 branch anymore, as even the UI strings have been frozen now.

THis is pretty much stabilization phase with the exciting stuff going on
in the master development branch.

Sebastian

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[tdf-discuss] Re: OOXML support in LibreOffice

[frazelle09]

Drew!  Nice to see you here!

i also agree with your comment about OOXML as in "interpreted broadly".

Have a great evening and again, great to see you!  :)
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[tdf-discuss] Updates overwriting User settings

[frazelle09]

i don't know if this is the correct forum for this but -- well first of all
-- good luck to all those who are participating and developing and helping! 
This project needs to be a success!

And, we are using PCLinuxOS 2010 and they are using GOoo to install OOo.  i
understand that Goo will be changing to something else, which will then be
downloading and installing LibO which i am excited about seeing.  However,
at least under the old regime, every time OOo was updated, the update would
overwrite all of my User settings and i was hoping that this would no longer
be the case.  i hope that this is the correct forum for this " suggestion",
but if not, please redirect me.

Have a great evening and again, thanks for all your hard work so far!  
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