[steering-discuss] Wednesday's call
Hello, I might not be able to join Wednesday's call until the end - I have a meeting at 1700 UTC, and the call starts at 1600 UTC. In case we have the need for a quorum, I'd like to ask my deputy Christoph Noack to jump in if possible. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] BoD Election Candidates
I believe the list of valid candidates for the Document Foundation Board of Directors elections is as follows (in alphabetical order by surname): Thorsten Behrens Jesús Corrius Florian Effenberger Olivier Hallot Kálmán Kéménczy Andreas Mantke Caolán McNamara Michael Meeks Bjoern Michaelsen Charles-H Schulz Andras Timar Italo Vignoli Alexander Werner If you believe there is an error in this list, please contact me immediately. The Candidate List will become final at midnight UTC. -- Simon Phipps Election Officer, TDF 2011 Elections -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Wednesday's call
Hi Florian, thanks for the ping ... I'll have to check my schedule at work; if I remember correctly, I do have another call to the US at the same time. At the moment, there is only the donation button for nonprofits that might need a quorum. Is that right - or is this just a discussion? Cheers, Christoph Am Montag, den 03.10.2011, 09:02 +0200 schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hello, I might not be able to join Wednesday's call until the end - I have a meeting at 1700 UTC, and the call starts at 1600 UTC. In case we have the need for a quorum, I'd like to ask my deputy Christoph Noack to jump in if possible. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Wednesday's call
Hi, Christoph Noack wrote on 2011-10-03 20:50: At the moment, there is only the donation button for nonprofits that might need a quorum. Is that right - or is this just a discussion? this a leftover from the previous calls, needs no quorum anymore, and if so, we'll vote on the lists ;) Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
On 2 October 2011 23:41, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Why isn't ODF added as an extension of HTML5? That is a very good idea. This would define ODF as the defacto Web Standard for Files! An ideas who could try to pursue such an agreement? Presumably get OASIS, TDF and AOO representatives to talk to W3C. Get a strategy agreed with say Mozilla and Google for good browser support for rendering and editing ODF documents. (assuming MS will not play ball but you never know). Editing could be a subset to start with eg limited to editing text. Cheers! Jaime On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 03:17, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.orgwrote: The OASIS ODF 1.2 Committee Specification 01 has been successfully advanced to an OASIS Standard, http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/201109/msg00010.html. The final ballot results for approval of OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 is at http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ballot.php?id=2115. Rob Weir has a nice summary on his blog, http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/09/odf12-approved.html. He lists the names of the contributors of 1.2 from the specification. Some of those names will be familiar here. - Dennis -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?
Dear Dennis, On Sun, October 2, 2011 22:00, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Mark, I think my question was concrete and very clear: How about you just read the goddamn RFC's for email protocol and stop whining about it? Which RFC's are you talking about? Numbers please. I don't see how RFC 1885 can be meant. RFC 1885 is one of the inspirations for the document foundation netiquette page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette These guidelines have been inspired by Mozilla Posting Guidelines, with important additions from http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php and http://www.woodgate.org/FAQs/netiquette.html. Original Netiquette guidelines: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855. Netiquette on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette. Other useful information about the Netiquette: http://www.livinginternet.com/i/ia_nq.htm.; They are just guidelines, but ones which are generally considered good practice on mailing lists. Please read them and try to follow them as much as possible to keep discussions as pleasant and productive. With respect to your question on top-vs-bottom-posting, the netiquette gives a guideline, it is best to just follow that and use some tools that facilitate the bottom-post/interspersed-style. And please refer to the section on Let Sleeping Dogs Lie. We all have out pet-peeves that we would like to discuss and rehash indefinitely. Please resist the urge. Thanks, Mark -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5
There has been a proposal to try and get ODF recognised as an official extension of HTML5. On the face of it it sounds a good idea but I don't know enough about the details or whether this is already in progress. I guess it would require discussion with W3C, OASIS, and probably TDF and ASF as a minimum. A logical technical need could be to develop ODF rendering and editing in web browsers. To start with this might simply be a limited subset of what can be achieved in OO/LibO. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5
I was hasty. The 2003 bug report is about a browser plug-in for OpenOffice.org, not ODF, and not anything like ODF embedded in an HTML5 document or whatever else the current idea turns into. The comment stream is amusing, however disappointingly predictable. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:46 To: 'discuss@documentfoundation.org' Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5 The active version of the bug report on having a browser plug-in for ODF mentioned below is now at https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=22406. I'm not certain that the current discussion is the same issue, though. -Original Message- From: Olivier Hallot [mailto:olivier.hallot@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Olivier Hallot Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 02:57 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5 Em 03-10-2011 06:07, Ian Lynch escreveu: There has been a proposal to try and get ODF recognised as an official extension of HTML5. On the face of it it sounds a good idea but I don't know enough about the details or whether this is already in progress. I guess it would require discussion with W3C, OASIS, and probably TDF and ASF as a minimum. A logical technical need could be to develop ODF rendering and editing in web browsers. To start with this might simply be a limited subset of what can be achieved in OO/LibO. Just for the summary of the issue, this has already been discussed long time ago... http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=22406 But of course, there was no HTML5 at that time... Regards -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation Voicing the enterprise needs LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Unsupported Components (@Karl Morten Ramberg k...@ofs.no)
On 3 October, in a different thread (ODF and HTML 5) Karl Morten Ramberg k...@ofs.no said: == begin quote === We have started such a development and we also have some basic functionality in place and we would be happy to release the code. There are also some real time collaboration features implemented. So far it is writer and calc we have been working on. Impress, draw and base is as of now totally unsopported === end quote === It's the last sentence Impress, draw and base is as of now totally unsopported that I'm concerned about. Does this sentence mean that LO is not currently doing *anything* to support/enhance these components or *only* that there is no work being done on them in relation to HTML5? Harold Fuchs London, England -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsupported Components (@Karl Morten Ramberg k...@ofs.no)
On 10/03/2011 06:20 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote: It's the last sentence Impress, draw and base is as of now totally unsopported that I'm concerned about. Does this sentence mean that LO is not currently doing *anything* to support/enhance these components or *only* that there is no work being done on them in relation to HTML5? The sentence refers to a plugin supposed to read ODF documents inside a browser, which - so far - is reading only Writer and Calc files. It is not developed by TDF, so the sentence is not referring to LibreOffice development. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting...
Italo Vignoli wrote (02-10-11 22:20) On 10/02/2011 08:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: 2. I have an offer. What formatting by senders will most powerfully serve those on [libreoffice-accessibility]? What do those with access limitations confirm to be the best that works for all of them? Whatever *that* is, I will do everything in my power to honor. I am not an expert about accessibility, but I recall that this is one of the cases where top posting is the best choice. I suggest to have a double check, though, as I am not competent in this domain. I just checked with Peter op 't Hof, Dutch accessibility expert. He says there is no accessibility problem with mail handling. Most important is that it's ascii. (I did not ask if the people that rely on special handling for accessibility, have to do some extra tolling or settings. But I imagine the people are informed well enough themselves.) So accessibility can't be considered as a reason for different mail handling. HTH -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Well, I worked with the W3C on doing the initial work on RDF but not done anything for a while. If I can remember the login details I can try to mention it. On 03/10/2011 09:45, Jaime R. Garza wrote: It would be great if connected people could help to introduce this idea. I hope it doesn't stay just as an idea! I'll be willing to help in the discussions and organization, but I don't have the contacts. Anyone with contacts willing to help? On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 09:44, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 October 2011 23:41, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Why isn't ODF added as an extension of HTML5? That is a very good idea. This would define ODF as the defacto Web Standard for Files! An ideas who could try to pursue such an agreement? Presumably get OASIS, TDF and AOO representatives to talk to W3C. Get a strategy agreed with say Mozilla and Google for good browser support for rendering and editing ODF documents. (assuming MS will not play ball but you never know). Editing could be a subset to start with eg limited to editing text. Cheers! Jaime On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 03:17, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.orgwrote: The OASIS ODF 1.2 Committee Specification 01 has been successfully advanced to an OASIS Standard, http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/201109/msg00010.html. The final ballot results for approval of OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 is at http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ballot.php?id=2115. Rob Weir has a nice summary on his blog, http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/09/odf12-approved.html. He lists the names of the contributors of 1.2 from the specification. Some of those names will be familiar here. - Dennis -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting...
Concerning any accessibility issues around e-mail conversations, Cor reports that an accessibility expert says the main requirement is that the text be in ASCII. Cor, does that mean Unicode (i.e., UTF-8) is undesirable? Or was the response not that technical? - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, http://nfoWorks.org/ dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid -Original Message- From: Cor Nouws [mailto:oo...@nouenoff.nl] http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg07718.html Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 13:15 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... [ ... ] I just checked with Peter op 't Hof, Dutch accessibility expert. He says there is no accessibility problem with mail handling. Most important is that it's ascii. (I did not ask if the people that rely on special handling for accessibility, have to do some extra tolling or settings. But I imagine the people are informed well enough themselves.) So accessibility can't be considered as a reason for different mail handling. [ ... ] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5
On 3 October 2011 18:02, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: My apologies for the heavy-duty cross-posting. It might be good to pick a single public list and a subject header and converge there. Q: WHERE IS THE PROPOSAL? This started as a simple e-mail list question by Jaime R. Garza on the [tdf-discuss] list: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg07698.html. There is no proposal in the sense of some technical submission to adapt ODF for this purpose. You are pretty much seeing the extent of the discussion so far. The proposal is a paragraph and concept being echoed around these lists now. Sorry, when I said proposal I meant it in a simple idea for discussion sense rather than a formal proposal as in a project proposal requiring lazy consensus or a vote. At this stage more a is this worth discussing? (So that it might get refined to a specific proposal of the type that gets voted on). Sorry for the confusion. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
