Re: [board-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] BoD and deputies: vote on fixed times for regular BoD calls
On 11/3/11 4:45 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: Ah - I'd prefer to have a fixed time in the working week if we can make it. Also - I wonder why the doodle stops at 7pm - if we are going to wipe out an evening per week - that seems do-able; but if so there is a lot of scope to go later (which should help get Olivier in there). I'd far prefer a 9pm meeting on a monday to a 3pm meeting on a Saturday eg. Me too. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] BoD and deputies: vote on fixed times for regular BoD calls
On Thu, 2011-11-03 at 17:36 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: Michael Meeks wrote on 2011-11-03 16:45: Ah - I'd prefer to have a fixed time in the working week if we can make it. Also - I wonder why the doodle stops at 7pm - if we are going to .. 9pm your time is 10pm my time, which means I would be on the phone until 11pm or even 1130pm. This is, at least for me, simply too late during the week. Sure :-) but 7pm is 8pm your time, which means finishing at 9pm - so we could go an hour later right ? Also, getting up earlier might be an option - I could manage a 5-6am call once a week at a regular time -during-the-week- vs. keeping the weekend clear which is rather important to my family ;-) HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] BoD and deputies: vote on fixed times for regular BoD calls
Hi, Michael Meeks wrote on 2011-11-03 17:49: Sure:-) but 7pm is 8pm your time, which means finishing at 9pm - so we could go an hour later right ? Also, getting up earlier might be an option - I could manage a 5-6am call once a week at a regular time -during-the-week- vs. keeping the weekend clear which is rather important to my family;-) I see, I am also keen to having my weekends free, but an hour on Saturday normally works for me. Too late in the evening or early morning usually doesn't work for me - neither with studies, nor with a future job (or at least depending on whether I have the luxury to work from home, which is doubtful). Anyways, I've added three more hours to choose from, so if it's just me, it shouldn't bother everyone, I then can just read the minutes afterwards. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Associations around TDF
On 2 November 2011 21:25, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@orange.fr wrote: Le 02/11/2011 09:50, Andre Schnabel a écrit : Hi, Datum: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:36:01 -0200 Von: Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org An: discuss@documentfoundation.org Betreff: Re: [tdf-discuss] Associations around TDF Hello André Yes, please open a page. consider ALTA from Brazil as interested NGO. Ok, wiki page started at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Partnering_with_NGOs For now I put some information about FroDev on the list of NGOs. Can you please add information about ALTA (and Sophie about La Mouette)? If anyone here knows about other entities, you are welcome to enhance the list. Data for La Mouette have been added. Best regards. JBF I added The Learning Machine -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Just a question
Hi, Marc, On 11/2/11 2:57 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Ken Le 2011-11-02 11:53, Ken Springer a écrit : Hopefully, you've read my reply to Florian about the websites and potential confusion if you are at the LO site and not the TDF site. I've been watching the user forum thread in this list, most of which is beyond my understanding, and may post a comment of what I would like to see when it comes to how the whole process appears to an end user. What would a mockup consist of? We have had some discussions on revising some pages on the site and the design team is just now getting to some design changes. It may look like the TDF and LibreOffice sites were just thrown together and in part, yes, they were put together in a very short amount of time due to various reason. But, as we are ALL volunteers and help the community with our available time, some changes may seem to come slowly. But changes will eventually come around depending on the number o f people who are able to make the changes. I saw the design change discussions earlier, but simply didn't have time to post a thoughtful reply. I have noticed the new 'banner at the top of each main page, nicely done. I think one of the biggest disappointment for me, on the LO pages, is all the basic design rules that I learned about in an introductory web design class I took, were not followed. Rules, that if I didn't follow in class, I got marked down for. Sadly, most pages these days don't follow many rules. Guess where I rarely go LOL As we are a very large group, discussions about the website design were taken up on this thread and the design thread. You will have to read back on the different threads about this to catch up on what was discussed so far. More importantly, the design team has elaborated some suggested design changes stemming from past discussions with the community. For example, the downloads pages needs reworking and you the process is just now getting to the point of final review. You can see this process on the design team's whiteboard[1]. You can see some mockups on that page. I checked out the whiteboard, I do like that look. Much simpler, IMO, but gets the job done. If you feel you could contribute with concrete suggestions, feel free to join the design team and suggest some of these on that particular list. It is important that if you are going to contribute, that you do not bring objections to the discussions but rather ideas and positive suggestions relating to design. The designers will not listen nor work with people ranting negative statements as they are all volunteers and offer their help through their free time. BTW, they are an awesome bunch! I try not to rant, although my writing style may read that way to some. And I may try to offer some observations on the design, although those observations may be too late. I try to make my observation,s when viewing something computer related, as if I was the type of user who doesn't even know how the computer organizes/stores files on a hard drive. To be specific, like a friend of mine who I still don't think understands what a web browser is or does. Now that I know what a mockup is, that is way beyond my ability to create, without an awful lot of work at my end. The best I could do would be to provide an organizational chart of how I would arrange and link pages, with some comments on the content of the pages. In preparation for the other post I just wrote, I found a problem on the Nabble related pages. I can be on Level B of the hierarchy, click a link to go up to Level A, but then there's no link to get back down to Level B. :-) -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 7.0.1 Thunderbird 7.0.1 LibreOffice 3.3.4 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
Hello, Ken Springer wrote on 2011-11-02 22:48: If you prefer your help system to be a forum, that's available through the Nabble interface and Gmane. sadly, Nabble is not seen as forum at all. I don't know why, but many - especially novice - users have complained and do not use Nabble. My wish was indeed to have this forum-style gateway to have access to the same content with two interfaces, but it obviously didn't work out, which is why I am considering a real forum. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
On 11/3/11 5:19 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Ken Springer wrote on 2011-11-02 22:48: If you prefer your help system to be a forum, that's available through the Nabble interface and Gmane. sadly, Nabble is not seen as forum at all. I don't know why, but many - especially novice - users have complained and do not use Nabble. My wish was indeed to have this forum-style gateway to have access to the same content with two interfaces, but it obviously didn't work out, which is why I am considering a real forum. I'm not a regular forum user or fan, I only use them when there is no other option, and Google, Ask.com, and others have failed me. I quit going to MS when they dropped official support for newsgroups. My feeling is, if you have to resort to Google and others to find answers that should be easy to find on an official website, then there is something wrong with the help system on that website. So maybe there is something to a forum that I'm missing. I sure don't see the difference between Nabble and any other forum layout. Are the complaints about Nabble that it's hard to use, hard to find, or something else? To me, a forum is like going to a public bulletin board at your local store, posting a note, then coming back later to see if anyone posted an answer. You leave another note, and come back later to try to find a reply. After awhile, the notes you want to read are spread all over the bulletin board, and trying to find a previous note that relates to something you wrote is just time wasting. I have other things I'd rather do. Which is why I prefer the threaded view of a newsgroup. It's like a well organized filing system, everything sorted and arranged to be easily found. So much easier to find the relevant messages. Whatever happens with the the Nabble/forum style of help, I think a big plus would be to have a way of handling images, rather than forcing the user/poster to put those images somewhere else on the web and then provide a link. That may be something a new LO user may not understand how to do. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 7.0.1 Thunderbird 7.0.1 LibreOffice 3.3.4 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
On Nov 3, 2011, Florian Effenberger wrote: sadly, Nabble is not seen as forum at all. I don't know why, but many - especially novice - users have complained and do not use Nabble. My wish was indeed to have this forum-style gateway to have access to the same content with two interfaces, but it obviously didn't work out, which is why I am considering a real forum. As a novice user, I made two posts in the Nabble forum under the login name chimak111. The first was promptly and efficiently dealt with by Cor Nouys (I'm spelling from memory). The second post may be used to illustrate the current state of the Nabble forum. At issue was the functioning of the global menu bar to integrate LibreOffice with the Unity aspect of Ubuntu 11.10. A couple of responses by Tom were to the point. The rest was the type of thing seen when there isn't active moderation of posts. The thread digressed to the merits and demerits of Unity, Ubuntu, Canonical, Linux, and what have you. The link to this second post is here: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-3-4-3-on-Ubuntu-11-10-Unity-3D-td3431366.html#a3431583 Nabble, not per se but for want of moderation or etiquette, shows the same weakness of mailing lists in that material is quoted and requoted, mostly unnecessarily. Then there are the unwanted headers and footers that just bulk up each post and make havoc in posts containing quotes and requotes. I know that moderators are not a dime a dozen, but without strong moderation, any forum or mailing list can become quite unattractive. All the same, I'd prefer a forum. Here's wishing that LibreOffice and its volunteers all the best. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
Hi *, On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Ken Springer wrote on 2011-11-02 22:48: If you prefer your help system to be a forum, that's available through the Nabble interface and Gmane. sadly, Nabble is not seen as forum at all. Yes, because it is none. I don't know why, but many - especially novice - users have complained and do not use Nabble. You cannot move threads to other topics, you cannot edit messages afterwards, you cannot delete posts, you cannot mark posts as sticky or resolved, etc. All those features are considerably useful when used properly, but from my experience too many clueless people join forums, and the same old questions get posted over and over again, people don't make use of those additional features and in the end it is used as a mailinglist with reduced functionality. If LO is going to have an own forum, then there shall be a bunch of moderators that are to ensure to keep the different topics organized, ensure that a certain level of posting discipline is respected, make sure that the repeated questions or spam-posts to just put an older topic further up the list are kept to a minimum. Forum-Sheriffs if you want to use a loaded term. This is where I see the biggest problem. You need to have a big number of dedicated people who clean up the mess that the mass of regular users create to keep a forum usable. And I'm not sure that a new forum will have those people. In former times, when you had a technical problem, you would use your search-engine of choice and after browsing through 5 or 6 links, you would get your answer. Nowadays, you get thousands of hits, many to forums where the same question is posted to a sh*tload of different forums, full of I have the same problem style posts but with no answer. Or the answer is solved by using different hardware/software instead. And the best of all are those are the fixed the problem, topic can be closed style posts (don't even bother to tell others how you fixed that problem). And of course then there is the forum-post signature spam when looking for info regarding a specific hardware or similar, people put a big list of stuff they once owned to all of their posts, rendering any search useless as all irrelevant posts are returned just because the term appears in the signature in every post/thread the user does post. My fear is that the same will happen to any newly created Forum when there is already a big userbase. And as you might have noticed, I'm not a big fan of forums. I'm actually only using one forum, one that one is tightly scoped. And my aversion against forums is not the technology, but rather what the people make of it. As long as it has a sane mail-notification/subscription system and doesn't force me to visit a webpage and hunt for replies myself, I would be fine. Replying to topics via mail would be a great plus though. - But I am not aware of any of the big forum-software that would support this. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] BoD and deputies: vote on fixed times for regular BoD calls
On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 14:17 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: in the past, the steering committee had fixed times for their regular calls. One week, we met on Wednesday 1600 UTC, the next week, we met on Saturday 1400 UTC. As the regular confcalls should stay also with the new BoD, this poll is to determine when the best times are. Ideally, we have one during the week and one at the weekend. Please select your possible times here: http://www.doodle.com/rqay5h7syg45by9x Ah - I'd prefer to have a fixed time in the working week if we can make it. Also - I wonder why the doodle stops at 7pm - if we are going to wipe out an evening per week - that seems do-able; but if so there is a lot of scope to go later (which should help get Olivier in there). I'd far prefer a 9pm meeting on a monday to a 3pm meeting on a Saturday eg. Is there a reason to stop early like that ? Thanks, Michael (who just filled it out) -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?
Hi Florian et al, Le 2011-11-02 17:03, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2011-11-02 06:17, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi, Stefan Weigel wrote on 2011-11-02 11:13: Ok. The forum will sure have a search function, just like every forum has, right? Could our new forum combine automatically three searches at once? (1) Show the matches inside our forum (2) Show the matches within the ML archives (3) Show Google matches totally depends on the forum we install and its options. In case we go for an own solution, there are many options, no decision on any software yet. Florian If I remember correctly, there was previously some comparison research done on different forum software solutions. I can't seem to find it on GMane, I think my ISP provider only supplies so many of previous posts and deletes the rest. Not sure. But anyway, you may be able to find it somewhere. I am not sure on which discussion list. It was a really well research effort and may be interesting to review. Cheers, Marc Sorry, I just now realized that the research on Forums software was done for Mageia. However, you can find some of the resources they used here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software_%28PHP%29 http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/bbPress+FluxBB+FUDforum+Invision-Power-Board+MyBB+Phorum+phpBB+punBB+SMF+vBulletin After leaving Mandriva, the Mageia project built their own forums in EN using phpBB[1] and I believe they are also pointing to other established community driven language group forums. Marc [1] https://forums.mageia.org/en/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Just a question
Hi Ken Le 2011-11-02 18:27, Ken Springer a écrit : Now that I know what a mockup is, that is way beyond my ability to create, without an awful lot of work at my end. The best I could do would be to provide an organizational chart of how I would arrange and link pages, with some comments on the content of the pages. In preparation for the other post I just wrote, I found a problem on the Nabble related pages. I can be on Level B of the hierarchy, click a link to go up to Level A, but then there's no link to get back down to Level B. :-) On the contrary, you comments have added to the discussion and brought out some good points. Being able to do mockups is a bonus for people who can throw one together along with their arguments, but words are still quite useful for all of us. We are still reading your recommendations. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] XAdES digital signature extension
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I would like to signal the release of an extension for OOo which implements the XAdES digital signature into ODF documents (at the moment only .odt). Such extension is compliant with Italian law, therefore ODF digitally signed are fully legal. The extension is available on website: http://oxsit.yacme.com/ Contributors for extending and porting to LibO are welcome. Ciao Davide -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6yx0EACgkQIXgZqRs8KhMoIQCfekVbK7oqaGkM9N22EztSe4Xg xQQAnAlF0TNs5cJfD9Mt3iKXuTKsCRQv =aMX0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Membership Committee
Hi Drew, On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 10:57 -0400, drew wrote: I've been reading over the BOD-discuss list with regards to the MC makeup/elections. Cool :-) great to have you involved in the process. It was my intent to run for a seat on the MC, it is my understanding now that the elections will be moved to next year (the reasons seem quite reasonable IM). Oh - sorry that was a spoke in your wheels. Hopefully that'll get fixed in a few more (hectic) months. If I understand correctly there is however one slot currently not filled, for a generic deputy. If this is correct then I would like to offer my services for this position. That's right. Of course, the board will need to approve the lucky (haha) candidates in due course ;-) You have my vote - based on the great work I've seen you doing. Having said that - we've sounded out previous appointees more informally beforehand, which is perhaps harder here. Clearly this is a responsible role, and part of our formal governance. As such, some may have queries about your involvement with the Apache project, it'd be helpful to know what your plans are there. Similarly, it'd be nice to know your thoughts on the membership committee's role, criteria for membership etc. in the bylaws. If you'd feel happier sharing that privately - feel free, and I'll make sure it gets to the board. Anyhow - to my mind it'd be fantastic to have your long experience of the project, wide contacts, as well as sheer hard work applied to this essential administrative task :-) Thanks for caring, and getting stuck in, All the best, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] XAdES digital signature extension
On 3 Nov 2011, at 16:54, Davide Dozza wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I would like to signal the release of an extension for OOo which implements the XAdES digital signature into ODF documents (at the moment only .odt). Such extension is compliant with Italian law, therefore ODF digitally signed are fully legal. The extension is available on website: http://oxsit.yacme.com/ Contributors for extending and porting to LibO are welcome. Thanks, Davide. What are the obstacles to it working with LibreOffice as it exists now? Regards S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] BoD and deputies: vote on fixed times for regular BoD calls
On 11/3/11 5:36 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: 9pm your time is 10pm my time, which means I would be on the phone until 11pm or even 1130pm. This is, at least for me, simply too late during the week. I guess that affects many people who have to get up early, but I'm of course open to other opinions here. Can you re-post the Doodle link? Thanks. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Will win64 native build exist on 3.5.0 or at least 3.5.x releases?
Hi Pedro and Tor, I forgot to mention another two win32/win64 big and famous open source appliances: - MySql (!) http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/#downloads - PostgreSql (!) http://www.postgresql.org/download/windows About PostgreSql (that I installed, I used, I designed, I used to develop appliances (SQL, Pg-Pl/Sql) in the past) there is a very interesting page that could also help us http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/64bit_Windows_port that was about the win32 - win64 port. Since version 9.0, EnterpriseDB deploy and make it available both windows installers and builds (win32 and win64). What do yuo think about that? Have a nice evening, Carlo Il 02/11/2011 20:22, Carlo Strata ha scritto: Hi Pedro, Il 02/11/2011 13:19, Pedro ha scritto: In my opinion TDF and LibreOffice should abandon the MS compiler and support the switch to MinGW which has already been started by Jan Holesovsky (aka Kendy) I think we could put here, at least, the links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinGW http://www.mingw.org/ http://mingw-w64.sourceforge.net/ for interested people... This would also open the path to using MinGW64 and therefore the creation of a native 64bit version of LO... I follow some and various FLOSS projects that are both and natively win32/win64 like these: http://7-zip.org/ http://infrarecorder.org/ (If I don't remember wrong, it use MinGW.) http://www.virtualdub.org/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/free-cad/ and http://free-cad.sourceforge.net/ ... and some that try to go win64 too, but without official courage, bravery, fearlessness http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/ ... and some that are not trying at all http://filezilla-project.org http://notepad-plus-plus.org/ ... Could we understand and learn somethings from above projects' choices and code? The fact that it is a requirement to use a specific proprietary compiler to compile a FLOSS program makes the same sense as offering a free complete car (wheels, tires, etc) but to assemble it you would need to buy a wrench which is sold by a single company... There are pros and cons to use Microsoft native and MinGW/GW64 compilers and libs, I suppose. Just my 2 cents. Have a nice evening, Carlo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Re: [steering-discuss] BoD and deputies: vote on fixed times for regular BoD calls
Hi Italo, Am Donnerstag, 3. November 2011, 19:08:20 schrieb Italo Vignoli: On 11/3/11 5:36 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: 9pm your time is 10pm my time, which means I would be on the phone until 11pm or even 1130pm. This is, at least for me, simply too late during the week. I guess that affects many people who have to get up early, but I'm of course open to other opinions here. Can you re-post the Doodle link? Thanks. http://www.doodle.com/rqay5h7syg45by9x#table Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas Mantke andreas.man...@documentfoundation.org Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Twitter: @andreasooo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Will win64 native build exist on 3.5.0 or at least 3.5.x releases?
carlo.strata wrote: Hi Pedro and Tor, What do you think about that? I think that LibreOffice should use an Open Source compiler. I also think that most of the LibreOffice Devs don't use the Office programs they are developing on a daily basis as a production tool. If they did, it would be obvious to them that an x64 build is needed to work on heavy documents. In any case this is just my personal opinion. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Will-win64-native-build-exist-on-3-5-0-or-at-least-3-5-x-releases-tp3473463p3478780.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
