Re: [tdf-discuss] The Floppy icon and meritocracy

2012-02-09 Thread Robert Derman 

yahoo-pier_andreit wrote:

On 08/02/12 10:54, Pedro wrote:

Hi all

I just read the UX thread/sequence of emails where it was decided 
that the
universal Save icon (in any program, any OS) represented by a floppy 
disk

would be replaced by another icon.

I'm shocked that a Discuss topic where 54 messages from many people 
(several

of them opposing and presenting valid arguments against) was totally
dismissed because someone decided that it was time to change and the 
main

argument was that "it was outdated".

This is not about the floppy icon itself or a criticism to who 
decided to
change it. It is about the process. If this is meritocracy then it 
sucks! A
little democracy would go a long way to build a community. 
Communities don't

behave like this.

(Disappointed) Regards,
Pedro


I totally agree with you :-))
about the outdating, should airplanes change all they reference to 
navy language?? why you go on board of plane? is there any board in 
airplane??

Pier
I suspect that a lot of that is because airplanes have largely replaced 
ships functionally.  If you are crossing the Atlantic today, you will do 
in on an airplane, not an ocean liner.  Although airplanes bank left, 
not hard to port.  Also remember you board a train as well, as an 
airplane. 


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Re: [tdf-discuss] The Floppy icon and meritocracy

2012-02-09 Thread sophie 

On 09/02/2012 19:31, Robert Derman wrote:

yahoo-pier_andreit wrote:

On 08/02/12 10:54, Pedro wrote:

Hi all

I just read the UX thread/sequence of emails where it was decided 
that the
universal Save icon (in any program, any OS) represented by a floppy 
disk

would be replaced by another icon.

I'm shocked that a Discuss topic where 54 messages from many people 
(several

of them opposing and presenting valid arguments against) was totally
dismissed because someone decided that it was time to change and the 
main

argument was that "it was outdated".

This is not about the floppy icon itself or a criticism to who 
decided to
change it. It is about the process. If this is meritocracy then it 
sucks! A
little democracy would go a long way to build a community. 
Communities don't

behave like this.

(Disappointed) Regards,
Pedro


I totally agree with you :-))
about the outdating, should airplanes change all they reference to 
navy language?? why you go on board of plane? is there any board in 
airplane??

Pier
I suspect that a lot of that is because airplanes have largely 
replaced ships functionally.  If you are crossing the Atlantic today, 
you will do in on an airplane, not an ocean liner.  Although airplanes 
bank left, not hard to port.  Also remember you board a train as well, 
as an airplane.
lol, I'm sure of that too :-) It's nice to know that there is airplanes 
are coming to rescue us ;-)


Kind regards
Sophie


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[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy

2012-02-09 Thread NoOp 
On 02/08/2012 06:17 AM, Pedro wrote:
...
> In any case I managed to hack the Tango theme and replace the new icons with
> the old ones (BTW someone forgot to update the saveastemplate icons in the
> new Theme ;) )
> 
> You can't use your old tango theme from 3.4.x because the folder structure
> has been changed between versions.
> 
> So, if anyone is interested, it's freely available here
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2347109/images_tango.zip

What distrurbs me is that the new LO "Tango" icons do not follow the
standard base Tango theme. As I pointed out in the other thread:


The freedesktop.org Icon Theme Specification defines a 'document-save'
icon as: "document-save The icon for the save action. Should be an arrow
pointing down and toward a hard disk."

The new LO "Tango" theme does not follow this specification, and instead
uses a non-Tango icon: a down arrow pointing to an open file cabinet drawer.

You'll find that if you/LO actually download and check the
'document-save' icons in:

  
it is an arrow pointing down and toward a hard disk.

Other applications, and the desktop (GNOME), that I use adhere to the
base Tango theme. I fail to understand why LO insists on bastardizing
the theme and still calling it "Tango". Even the LO icon name fails to
follow the freedesktop.org naming convention of 'document-save', and
instead LO have kept the name used in Ooo: lc_save.png.

If you want the floppy, use the default Galaxy theme:
Tools|Options|LibreOffice|View|Icon size and style: Glalaxy (default).




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[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy

2012-02-09 Thread Pedro 
Hi NoOp


NoOp wrote
> 
> What distrurbs me is that the new LO "Tango" icons do not follow the
> standard base Tango theme. As I pointed out in the other thread:
> ;
> 

Probably because someone hardcoded somewhere a list of the themes allowed.
Try renaming any of the zip files and it will no longer show up on the
Themes list.

That is why the theme I modified is named tango instead of old_tango.zip


NoOp wrote
> 
> Other applications, and the desktop (GNOME), that I use adhere to the
> base Tango theme. I fail to understand why LO insists on bastardizing
> the theme and still calling it "Tango". Even the LO icon name fails to
> follow the freedesktop.org naming convention of 'document-save', and
> instead LO have kept the name used in Ooo: lc_save.png.
> 

I thought the idea was to be consistent with the Linux icons. I can see now
that it was not.  Which even disappoints me more about the process... 


NoOp wrote
> 
> If you want the floppy, use the default Galaxy theme:
> Tools|Options|LibreOffice|View|Icon size and style: Glalaxy (default).
> ;
> 

I already have the floppy :) and I don't particularly like the Galaxy theme.
Thank you anyway for the suggestion!

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: [tdf-discuss] confcall issues gone?

2012-02-09 Thread Thorsten Behrens 
Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> It went well for me but Thorsten sounded like he was in a subway ;-)
> 
Nah, on a platform with (it felt like) 10 freight trains passing by
in 20 Minutes... ;)

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

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