[tdf-discuss] Last call: Hackfest travel refunds
Hello, this is a last call to send your travel refund requests for the Munich Hackfest to treasu...@documentfoundation.org as soon as possible. I'd like to initiate payments early next year, so participants have their money in time. If you have questions, feel free to poke me directly offlist. ;-) Thanks, and have a good start into the new year, Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Jabber: flo...@jabber.org | SIP: flo...@iptel.org The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Booking FOSDEM hotel
Hello, for those of you attending FOSDEM, be advised to book your hotel in time. :-) The traditional FOSDEM hotel is the Astrid at Place du Samedi. Based on my experience, it helps to book via HRS, as they have pretty good conditions, and direct hotel booking might be more expensive. Remember that our DevRoom is on Sunday this year, so it might be advisable to return on Monday, at least if you have a longer travel... Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Jabber: flo...@jabber.org | SIP: flo...@iptel.org The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
Hello all, Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses of LO (and bundles LO with OOo): http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer counter-arguments to what MS says ? Some of the key points would be: - lack of calendaring/email - collaboration tools - pivot tables Immanuel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Believe me, as a emerging country point of view, one of the strongest point of Microsoft Office is because it is... outrageously expensive! But they will never write that. Hard to admit, but many decision makers love big checks. Is is a macho behavior. Cheap is for sissies (and I let you guess what happens when big money is on the table). So, all FUD around feature A or B missing in suite C or D is a smoke screen for a CIO that cannot fight the MS lobby (especially in Public sector). For example, they have to explain why a lot of enterprises have Lotus Notes instead of MS Exchange and why these entreprises aren't doomed because their mail does not work with Office Outlook. Just to remind, pivot tables are used by less than 0,01% of the user base. Technical issues are the easiest to fix (when money is there, of course) And collaborative tools are being addressed in LibreOffice with the CMIS implementations undergoing, including Sharepoint access. Let's see V4.0 of LibreOffice. Anyway, I am happy to see such pamphlets sprouting and LibreOffice name inside... It shows we are inconvenient to them. It also shows they need to care of their cash-cow harder than before. Happy 2013! Em 29-12-2012 13:30, Immanuel Giulea escreveu: Hello all, Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses of LO (and bundles LO with OOo): http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer counter-arguments to what MS says ? Some of the key points would be: - lack of calendaring/email - collaboration tools - pivot tables Immanuel - -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Board of Directors Member - The Document Foundation The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Fundação responsável civilmente, de acordo com o direito civil Detalhes Legais: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQ3yAfAAoJEJp3R7nH3vLxMUEIALBSEiDgf3fMJqI+8tBCvSUQ EgYgVVC/I0IjvlCIuZ4fOvL2P1mhDRDR3XbMImzgAM8l8G7LPraA1qm7y1OkoPMR wLhG86hBMbla72Scz/LxU+JyGB9IoodbdEkKscK/IolbmTXohjNRkciK+mVMOyj2 CHABKAZsnFv+uVfe5OJuTdJ9FiudawckMqivlY8I2LXBg7XDiUkSKmWq13h2BH2T bVzRDq0VA//d7cjiIvNuB+RszouJ1BPcqdCIUmlf0doJJCgn6cmCXViAVL+cwqdd 32V/NfYVs5OI5694qdX1+twBeEqmW9QCaRP/MtuPVHvG4I7iazhg06lITttx/YI= =iF6r -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
I wonder when in 2012 did MS create this document, since they use OOo instead of AOO? Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Then there is this interesting warranty statement. [bottom of page 3] This document is for informational purposes only. MICROSOFT MAKES NO WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, IN THIS To me that states that they can include miss-information and be covered for that. Also they are implying that MSO is now on Smart Phones and not via the next item Browser. [bottom right of page 2] There are things in this document that are correct. LO and OOo [not AOO] lacks certain items [by name] that are owned by MS/MSO. I really would like to know how much MSO feels that LO and OOo are going to take their market away for them to spend time to make this second version of this document. On 12/29/2012 12:04 PM, Immanuel Giulea wrote: Hello Charles, I would be happy and honored to take a more active role. LibreOffice is truly amazing. I am so excited, I printed the 2013 LO calendar and it's on my desk wall now :) Anyways, I think our competitor's arguments are aimed at business users, not individuals. And for those businesses that required the extra features such as email and collaboration, well, there is a solution out there offered by Novell: - Novell Open Workgroup Suite http://www.novell.com/products/openworkgroupsuite/ - Novell Open Workgroup Suite for Small Business http://www.novell.com/products/openworkgroupsuite/smallbiz/ (both include LibreOffice) You probably knew about these already, but thought it's worth mentioning again for anyone who wasn't aware. Cheers, Immanuel On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Immanuel, Nice pick! it's The First time we got mentionned by our biggest competitor, so it's time for a bottle of champagne :-D More seriously, if these are three arguments they can come up with it seems we got a looong way.simce 2005 or so. -Pivot table: Bullshit, we do it just as well only differently. -Collaboration: depends... We have collaborative features (cmis anyone?) too -No Outlook?... Seriously? Well, no Outlook, true. But I can think of many arguments why this is a good choice. We need something ( a webpage) that takes what we have in the 4.0 and compares it witg MSOffice. Anyone would like to drive this? Best, Charles. Immanuel Giuleagiulea.imman...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello all, Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses of LO (and bundles LO with OOo): http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer counter-arguments to what MS says ? Some of the key points would be: - lack of calendaring/email - collaboration tools - pivot tables Immanuel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail tomarketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
Congratulations! The good news is: Microsoft takes the effort to write a document against LOOO! If there is no threath, there is no reason to do so! - OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice ( http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html) and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business solutions) - Work tool aware organisations don't fall in the MS overtooling trap (a big issue for document management). Work files should be .odf and presentation and archiving files should be .pdf - MS - Office does not support all .odf 1.2 functionality (comments?) - Email clients for desktops will soon be outdated. Not for no reason Mozilla stoped with the Thunderbird development Calendering today is a typical cloud application. - By the way sending documents with email from LO works fine... - MS Outlook integration is based on legacy standards causing all kind of problems for receivers with no MS software (The .dat attachment problem) - Desktop calendaring (Outlook) will soon be outdated - Cloud colaberation tools like Google Drive work fine with OO and LO. Who needs colaboration tools outside the cloud? - Pivot tables work (different) - Last but not least LibreOffice features NO foot in the door file format trap! Also called vendor-lock. So where is the argument? LibreOffice; Write is a perfect workdocument editing tool with great archive (pdf) creation tool integrated, Calc is a perfect spreadsheet tool with great archive (pdf) creation tool integrated, Impress is a perfect presentation creation tool with great archive (pdf) creation tool integrated, is a great platform for business administration automation with an integrated IDE and a nice set of database tools included, All for less than half the price! ;-) And LibreOffice Works on Windows and OSX for the same price. In fact all the USPs for Word, Excel and Powerpoint disappear in a cloud of dust. MS clearly tries to sell outdated USPs as unique to the Late Majority. Time for the Early Majority to switch! Time for LibreOffice! Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen http://www.vanvlijmen.nl *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question!* http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ Beleidsquote Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen. Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008. ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Immanuel Giulea giulea.imman...@gmail.comwrote: Hello all, Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses of LO (and bundles LO with OOo): http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer counter-arguments to what MS says ? Some of the key points would be: - lack of calendaring/email - collaboration tools - pivot tables Immanuel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
OpenERP mentions explicitely OO but nothing about LO. Since LO is the improved version of OO, has anyone considered to contact the people from OpenERP to get them to update their docs? If we arguing in favor of integration with the product, we need their docs to be update so we can back up ourselves. And it should be tested. I also found out about the OPAL extension that used to work with OO http://forge.alfresco.com/gf/project/opal/ And Alfresco is looking for help to integrate with LO, which is good news for us. http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/Help_Wanted#LibreOffice_CMIS_integration Cheers, Immanuel On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Boudi van Vlijmen bo...@vanvlijmen.nlwrote: Congratulations! The good news is: Microsoft takes the effort to write a document against LOOO! If there is no threath, there is no reason to do so! - OpenERP integrates best with LibreOffice and OpenOffice ( http://doc.openerp.com/v6.1/book/8/8_20_Config/8_20_Config_reports.html) and not with MS-Word. (more cost effective than other business solutions) - Work tool aware organisations don't fall in the MS overtooling trap (a big issue for document management). Work files should be .odf and presentation and archiving files should be .pdf - MS - Office does not support all .odf 1.2 functionality (comments?) - Email clients for desktops will soon be outdated. Not for no reason Mozilla stoped with the Thunderbird development Calendering today is a typical cloud application. - By the way sending documents with email from LO works fine... - MS Outlook integration is based on legacy standards causing all kind of problems for receivers with no MS software (The .dat attachment problem) - Desktop calendaring (Outlook) will soon be outdated - Cloud colaberation tools like Google Drive work fine with OO and LO. Who needs colaboration tools outside the cloud? - Pivot tables work (different) - Last but not least LibreOffice features NO foot in the door file format trap! Also called vendor-lock. So where is the argument? LibreOffice; Write is a perfect workdocument editing tool with great archive (pdf) creation tool integrated, Calc is a perfect spreadsheet tool with great archive (pdf) creation tool integrated, Impress is a perfect presentation creation tool with great archive (pdf) creation tool integrated, is a great platform for business administration automation with an integrated IDE and a nice set of database tools included, All for less than half the price! ;-) And LibreOffice Works on Windows and OSX for the same price. In fact all the USPs for Word, Excel and Powerpoint disappear in a cloud of dust. MS clearly tries to sell outdated USPs as unique to the Late Majority. Time for the Early Majority to switch! Time for LibreOffice! Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards, Boudi van Vlijmen http://www.vanvlijmen.nl *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question!* http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ Beleidsquote Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen. Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008. ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Immanuel Giulea giulea.imman...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses of LO (and bundles LO with OOo): http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer counter-arguments to what MS says ? Some of the key points would be: - lack of calendaring/email - collaboration tools - pivot tables Immanuel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
