[tdf-discuss] Re: Returning to OpenOffice

[Ivan Stephen]

Actually, I downloaded the LATEST Mac versions of both OpenOffice and
LibreOffice (the "still" version).  There was no improvement at all in the
latest LibreOffice, at least for the important file that brought this to a
head for me.

I can't find the bug reports related to copying a short phrase into the find
field, but I was getting emails about my bug report for months.  And yet,
the latest version of LibreOffice still has that bug.  There seemed to be
disagreement among your coders as to whether it's a bug.  But from a user's
viewpoint -  if something doesn't work as one would expect, or if it's less
efficient than it could be -   then it's a bug.

Another nice thing to have would be a much more intutive way to protect cell
content.  The current method is simply unusable.



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[tdf-discuss] Returning to OpenOffice - Large SS file

[Ivan Stephen]

Hi Simon,

On second thought, I can't see any reason not to send the file I'm working on.  
Other than the large number of URLs and email addresses in it, I don't think 
there's anything unusual about it.  My long-term plan after I've completed it 
and rearranged it manually, is to export the info to Filemaker.



Regards,

Ivan Stephen
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905-688-5270



Publishing work - publishing lists for DB.ods (287K) 





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Re: [tdf-discuss] Returning to OpenOffice

[Robinson Tryon]

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Ivan Stephen  wrote:
> ... I'm now using the latest OpenOffice, which DOES allow this,
> albeit into a separate window.

My guess is that the Find interface in OOo was a dialog box that gave
up focus when one clicked on the 'Edit' menu. AOO kept that interface,
and LO changed it around the time of 3.4.x.

See my notes here:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49853#c95

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: RfD: Non-corporate user representation?

[Mike Hall]

Charles and Thorsten,
Many thanks for your support for the principle and apologies for a very 
slow response. Distracted by a personal issue which had to take absolute 
priority, I'm still catching up on other things.


I plan to take this matter to the next stage by the end of January.

I will wish to comment on your responses about the implied strategy, 
also to be prepared when I have the opportunity.


Happy New Year,
Mike

[correction: forgot to copy this list when replying to Thorsten]

On 04/01/15 13:37, Thorsten Behrens wrote:

Hi Mike,

you wrote:

I'd be happy to put more effort into a better version if gets
support. Keeping this kind of text simple and inviting is always
very difficult.


[snip]

Thanks for your very constructive approach here! As Charles mentions,
the next step would be to hammer out a final version of your draft on
the design list:

  To subscribe e-mail to: design+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org
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Just subscribe & forward your proposal, it's an excellent start.

(and I fully agree with the implied strategy here, which is not to
grant any moral entitlement to every user, by the mere fact of her
using LibreOffice. Instead, we need to improve on our efforts to
encourage participation)

Cheers,

-- Thorsten




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Re: [tdf-discuss] Returning to OpenOffice

[Johnny Rosenberg]

2015-01-06 7:25 GMT+01:00 Ivan Stephen :

> First of all -  I'm no developer, but I've been using word processing and
> spreadsheets for just about twenty-five years.  Over that time, I've seen
> some really ill-conceived software (some of which was more focused on glitz
> than functionality).
>
> Over the last five years or so, since the demise of AppleWorks, I've tried
> NeoOffice, Lotus Symphony, OpenOffice and LibreOffice.  At times I've
> switched just to see if there's an improvement.  Other times, I've made the
> change due to outright frustration.  That's the case this time.  After
> using
> LibreOffice for two years or more, I've gone back to OpenOffice.
>
> Why, you ask?
>

No, I don't. I did the same switch. Twice… (but I still have LibreOffice
installed so I can try it out now and then, when I don't have anything
better to do…)


>
> I'm working with one fairly large spreadsheet of 126 KB (well, it isn't
> really THAT large).


No, not large at all.


>   It contains no formulas or macros, just about 24
> columns and 2500 rows, plus six more small spreadsheets.  Many cells have
> nothing in them.  I did a direct comparison of OpenOffice and LibreOffice,
> and found that the latest Mac versions vary substantially.  I turned off
> everything I could (such as Java runtime) in both.  OpenOffice opened the
> file quite a bit more slowly (3 mins., 45 secs.) compared with
> LibreOffice's
> 2 mins.
>

I have several spreadsheets way bigger than yours, with formulas,
conditional formatting and macros, opening in less than a minute. With
Apache OpenOffice. 3:45 sounds way too much to me. And I bought this
computer in 2007…


>
> However, I realized that I don't care that much that it's slow to open in
> OpenOffice, as the file gets used all day.  But I find that OpenOffice
> seems
> MUCH more stable,


I find that too.


> and doesn't tie up my RAM nearly as much as LibreOffice
> for the same file.


I didn't test that, but I believe you.


>   (That's really why I dropped LibreOffice.)  Could it be
> related to the constantly increasing size of LibreOffice?
>
> I also realized that I don't really care that OpenOffice doesn't yet save
> files as docx or xlsx.  I just want stability from the software.
>

I didn't know it could, but I don't use those formats anyway, and if
someone sends me such a file I just delete it. Problem solved.


>
> Of course, OpenOffice is also lagging behind Microsoft Office.


With what? I didn't use MS Office since at least 2007 (that's the year I
stopped using Windows), but I certainly don't miss any features in either
LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice.


>   I'm also
> aware that Munich and Freiburg recently returned to Microsoft after having
> made a real commitment to open-source software.
>
> As I'm planning to move into the publishing field, I may yet need to use
> Microsoft Office.  But as long as possible, I will use OpenOffice, and
> perhaps it will catch up to Microsoft, especially now that IBM is throwing
> its support to Apache OO.
>
> Also -  it may seem like a little thing, but I reported a bug some time
> ago.
> It was related to your "find" field not allowing anything to be copied into
> it.  LibreOffice didn't seem able to fix it, and OpenOffice's find field
> works much better  -  and that's another reason to return to it.
>

I also reported bugs a while ago, but in the end I just found too many so I
went back to my life. In fact there are a couple of bugs in Apache
OpenOffice as well, but I just don't have time to report them anymore, and
most of them are just looks anyway.

And I never got along very well with this mailing list; I always forget to
”reply to all”, which I don't need to do with most of the mailing lists I'm
subscribed to, including those for Apache OpenOffice…



Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Returning to OpenOffice

[Robinson Tryon]

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Cor Nouws  wrote:
> Ivan Stephen wrote on 06-01-15 07:25:
>> [...]
>> Also -  it may seem like a little thing, but I reported a bug some time ago.
>> It was related to your "find" field not allowing anything to be copied into
>> it.  LibreOffice didn't seem able to fix it, and OpenOffice's find field
>> works much better  -  and that's another reason to return to it.
>
> Can you pls point me to the bug report? Let's see what is going on there.

I believe this is MAB4.3 bug 49853 - EDITING: Attempting paste into
find bar with Edit:Paste (or Cmd-V on OS X) pastes into document
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49853

I'll take a peek and see if we can do a bit more triage on this one.
It's a short read -- it doesn't even have 100 comments yet! :-)

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Returning to OpenOffice

[Simon Phipps]

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:25 AM, Ivan Stephen  wrote:

>
>
> I'm working with one fairly large spreadsheet of 126 KB (well, it isn't
> really THAT large).  It contains no formulas or macros, just about 24
> columns and 2500 rows, plus six more small spreadsheets.  Many cells have
> nothing in them.  I did a direct comparison of OpenOffice and LibreOffice,
> and found that the latest Mac versions vary substantially.  I turned off
> everything I could (such as Java runtime) in both.  OpenOffice opened the
> file quite a bit more slowly (3 mins., 45 secs.) compared with
> LibreOffice's
> 2 mins.
>

Are you able to offer a test case for this issue so that someone can work
on it please? A sample file plus a description of the software versions you
are using is what's needed.

S.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Returning to OpenOffice

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Stephan,

Thanks for posting and supporting free software!
Good that you write here, because I've some additions to what you write.

Ivan Stephen wrote on 06-01-15 07:25:
> [...]
> However, I realized that I don't care that much that it's slow to open in
> OpenOffice, as the file gets used all day.  But I find that OpenOffice seems
> MUCH more stable, and doesn't tie up my RAM nearly as much as LibreOffice
> for the same file.  (That's really why I dropped LibreOffice.)  Could it be
> related to the constantly increasing size of LibreOffice?

I guess you must have worked with a recent, still, version of LibreOffice.
Pls see the download page for explanation of the still and the fresh
versions. Bot stable, but meant for a different audience.

> Of course, OpenOffice is also lagging behind Microsoft Office.  I'm also
> aware that Munich and Freiburg recently returned to Microsoft after having
> made a real commitment to open-source software.

Looks as you have been mislead by headlines of media that published made
ill-informed articles. Munich is not retuning to Microsoft. On the
contrary: they use the freedom to actively participate in open source
software ;)

> Also -  it may seem like a little thing, but I reported a bug some time ago. 
> It was related to your "find" field not allowing anything to be copied into
> it.  LibreOffice didn't seem able to fix it, and OpenOffice's find field
> works much better  -  and that's another reason to return to it.

Can you pls point me to the bug report? Let's see what is going on there.

Best regards,
Cor


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